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In Defense of D/D Elementalists
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Mini Unagi – Iuther – Iiq – Trend – lancaster
Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch
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Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch
false. evasive arcana heal got buffed, they got access to frequent blinds, free frost aura, free 4x condi cleanse, regen and vigor from fire adept, EA made minor. Due to cele amulet they didnt loose defensive stats from traits relative to non-cele builds.
ele sustain always was the biggest problem and it still is, which is blatantly obvious if you play or watch a match involving eles
Nerfs in the latest patch where minuscule and mostly irrelevant (you still have 100% vigor, you still have 20-25 might), and the RoF buff was absolutely not what the class needed.
the fact that its one of the easiest builds ever to play effectively does not help either.
Theres a reason why in every tournament more then 30% of total players are eles. thats no random coincidence
Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch
false. evasive arcana heal got buffed, they got access to frequent blinds, free frost aura, free 4x condi cleanse, regen and vigor from fire adept, EA made minor. Due to cele amulet they didnt loose defensive stats from traits relative to non-cele builds.
ele sustain always was the biggest problem and it still is, which is blatantly obvious if you play or watch a match involving eles
Nerfs in the latest patch where minuscule and mostly irrelevant (you still have 100% vigor, you still have 20-25 might), and the RoF buff was absolutely not what the class needed.
the fact that its one of the easiest builds ever to play effectively does not help either.
Theres a reason why in every tournament more then 30% of total players are eles. thats no random coincidence
I thought June 23 patch slightly reduced ele defensive stats (heals and vitality) but then got a massive boost in offense.
Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch
From what I remember there was only a slight reduction in defensive stats. But from all the trait changes and stats no longer affected by trait lines, they got a nice offensive boost. It more than makes up the small defense nerf because they killed faster.
Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch
From what I remember there was only a slight reduction in defensive stats. But from all the trait changes and stats no longer affected by trait lines, they got a nice offensive boost. It more than makes up the small defense nerf because they killed faster.
Aww come on now, that’s what I meant
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Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch
false.
ele sustain always was the biggest problem and it still is, which is blatantly obvious if you play or watch a match involving eles
Nerfs in the latest patch where minuscule and mostly irrelevant (you still have 100% vigor, you still have 20-25 might), and the RoF buff was absolutely not what the class needed.
THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SAID when you started THIS:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/can-we-expect-cele-ele-fix-before-HoT
EU since Aug 2012
Mini Unagi – Iuther – Iiq – Trend – lancaster
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Rank: Top 250 since Season 2
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Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch
false.
ele sustain always was the biggest problem and it still is, which is blatantly obvious if you play or watch a match involving eles
Nerfs in the latest patch where minuscule and mostly irrelevant (you still have 100% vigor, you still have 20-25 might), and the RoF buff was absolutely not what the class needed.
THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SAID when you started THIS:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/can-we-expect-cele-ele-fix-before-HoT
? thats exactly what i said there, i dont get your point. i always said sustain is the problem and burning needs only a small nerf. I rarely have a problem with builds doin dmg in general, you can outplay dmg. You cant outplay eles sustain.
Changing mobility/teamsupport would be another option, but that would require multiple skill reworks. Seeing how simple number changes on skills take months to implement, i rather not wait for extensive reworks
Concerning loss of traitpoints – you have to look at it in relative terms. Yes ele lost a bit (cant remember exact number) vit/hp (but gained toughness). But classes that dont run celestial lost up to 300 tough/vit/hp if its not part of the new amulet. Though its tough to compare this because the spec patch changed the core of builds quite a bit.
The bottom line is – ele is just too strong. Too much sustain combined with superior mobility, teamsupport, excellent dmg. It has no real weaknesses, it has no real counters, it has no real counterplay. Thats why everyone plays 2 of them. Its bad for the game, its boring.
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Already quit PvP. Just log in here and there to troll.
Already quit PvP. Just log in here and there to troll.
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Well duh 99.9999% of pvpers are not high tier tourney players so why the heck would I speak on their behalf?
Most of the stuff that happens in tourneys don’t apply to the matches I play. Ranked Solo Q.
Unlike most people here, I’m not delusional to think that I play in the same level as they do. Most of the QQ threads were about burning. And yes they are from solo queue ppl and yes their opinions mean more to me because I can relate with them.
Don’t you think a game should be balanced based on what people can do with a build, and not around what people can’t? Yeah sure some people on these forums can’t even play DD ele right, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be nerfed.
So, Nos had consistently won most of his 1v1 since the time Necro was considered the bottom class. With your philosophy, we should balance based on what people can do with the class. That mean we shouldn’t have buffed my Necro at all? In fact, it should have been nerfed?
/cringe with those forums warriors, both you and Saiyan.
Notice the plural please. Don’t balance the game around 1 guy, but around the competitive scene and last time I checked Conquest wasn’t only about 1v1s.
Is there anything else you can bring to the debate besides insults?
Well duh 99.9999% of pvpers are not high tier tourney players so why the heck would I speak on their behalf?
Most of the stuff that happens in tourneys don’t apply to the matches I play. Ranked Solo Q.
Unlike most people here, I’m not delusional to think that I play in the same level as they do. Most of the QQ threads were about burning. And yes they are from solo queue ppl and yes their opinions mean more to me because I can relate with them.
Don’t you think a game should be balanced based on what people can do with a build, and not around what people can’t? Yeah sure some people on these forums can’t even play DD ele right, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be nerfed.
So, Nos had consistently won most of his 1v1 since the time Necro was considered the bottom class. With your philosophy, we should balance based on what people can do with the class. That mean we shouldn’t have buffed my Necro at all? In fact, it should have been nerfed?
/cringe with those forums warriors, both you and Saiyan.
Notice the plural please. Don’t balance the game around 1 guy, but around the competitive scene and last time I checked Conquest wasn’t only about 1v1s.
Is there anything else you can bring to the debate besides insults?
Hah, now you try to shift the argument in to semantics. Fine, so how much “plural” is enough for your argument? You got to decide that right? 50%? 80%? 20% population?
If you now decided to argue based on the population, then stop citing Phantaram and Wakkey for “ele too strong”. On one hand, arguing using what the people “can” do with Ele as a whole, and on the other hand ask for nerf using the number of Ele in high level tournament; that’s a shameful act that doesn’t benefit the balance of this game. You just try to cherry pick data to fit your confirmation bias.
If you think Ele has too much sustain, get your Fire Cele Ele in and duel with my Mesmer. Let’s see how much sustain you have.
Reviewed the list of threads cakeonroof posted. You and Saiyan were the biggest forum warriors claiming Ele were too strong because of burning. Now that Ele burning was needed, you switched to ask for healing nerfed. I’m pretty sure after that you will continue to ask for mobility nerf too, since you don’t seem to be able to deal with Ele no matter how easy it is to deal with them.
Gray out the HP for future condition damage
Already quit PvP. Just log in here and there to troll.
Already quit PvP. Just log in here and there to troll.
Well duh 99.9999% of pvpers are not high tier tourney players so why the heck would I speak on their behalf?
Most of the stuff that happens in tourneys don’t apply to the matches I play. Ranked Solo Q.
Unlike most people here, I’m not delusional to think that I play in the same level as they do. Most of the QQ threads were about burning. And yes they are from solo queue ppl and yes their opinions mean more to me because I can relate with them.
Don’t you think a game should be balanced based on what people can do with a build, and not around what people can’t? Yeah sure some people on these forums can’t even play DD ele right, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be nerfed.
So, Nos had consistently won most of his 1v1 since the time Necro was considered the bottom class. With your philosophy, we should balance based on what people can do with the class. That mean we shouldn’t have buffed my Necro at all? In fact, it should have been nerfed?
/cringe with those forums warriors, both you and Saiyan.
Notice the plural please. Don’t balance the game around 1 guy, but around the competitive scene and last time I checked Conquest wasn’t only about 1v1s.
Is there anything else you can bring to the debate besides insults?
Hah, now you try to shift the argument in to semantics. Fine, so how much “plural” is enough for your argument? You got to decide that right? 50%? 80%? 20% population?
If you now decided to argue based on the population, then stop citing Phantaram and Wakkey for “ele too strong”. On one hand, arguing using what the people “can” do with Ele as a whole, and on the other hand ask for nerf using the number of Ele in high level tournament; that’s a shameful act that doesn’t benefit the balance of this game. You just try to cherry pick data to fit your confirmation bias.
If you think Ele has too much sustain, get your Fire Cele Ele in and duel with my Mesmer. Let’s see how much sustain you have.
Reviewed the list of threads cakeonroof posted. You and Saiyan were the biggest forum warriors claiming Ele were too strong because of burning. Now that Ele burning was needed, you switched to ask for healing nerfed. I’m pretty sure after that you will continue to ask for mobility nerf too, since you don’t seem to be able to deal with Ele no matter how easy it is to deal with them.
Are you implying that a DD ele should ever lose to a shatter mesmer in 1v1? lol?
In your opinion, when would something be worthy of a nerf? I think if a game has 8 classes, with at least 1 viable build for each class, yet roughly 40% of the tournament population consists of 1 build while ESL has to take steps against ele stacking then something’s not right.
Not to mention that this isn’t only a tournament problem, any slightly above average DD ele can hold his ground against top players.
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Nooctae ( Thief ) / Encelya ( Engineer ) / Jane Crimson ( Elementalist ) / Kowywr ( Revenant )
Europe, Vizunah.
Fantaram – ele
I Hate Dumb Teams – nec
I Hate Dumb Teams – nec
Fantaram – ele
I Hate Dumb Teams – nec
I Hate Dumb Teams – nec
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Pixel Surrge-Ele
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I think Anet needs to decrease Elementalist base health to 8k.
/takes popcorn
I think Anet needs to decrease Elementalist base health to 8k.
/takes popcorn
lmao I see what you did there
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