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At this point, the only real outlier on d/d ele that they probably should shave is evasive arcana dodge in fire.
The flame burst ability does 2 stacks of burning for 6s, which is honestly an insane amount of damage given all the other things you can do with EA. This should be shaved to 1 stack for kitten .
At the same time, I would improve Pyromancer’s Puissance, as it is not really a GM-worthy trait (there are a lot of traits like this that are just bad). Honestly, the fire line needs some improvements in that conjurer is garbage, One with Fire is TERRIBLE working only with fire auras, and Power overwhelming is underwhelming given how condis work on ele.

witcher.3197:

trytonianYeti.4389:

What people fail to realize is that the other 2 light armored classes, cele signet necro and shatter Mesmer, beat dd eles.

Cele nec is a 50/50 matchup for DD, and even then the nec can only kill the ele if the ele wants to die – he can just disengage anytime and the nec can’t chase him down, then give the ele a couple of seconds, he’ll reset and come back, after a while the ele shall outsustain the nec.

And there is a solid 1 out of 10 chance that a shatter mes can beat an equally skilled DD ele – and then, again, the ele can just run away with RTL/FGS/LF, reset, and will lose to this tactic faster than a nec.

See, I totally predicted it! Even after Ele sustain gets nerfed, you will switch to complain about Ele mobility! You just can’t stop QQing.

You talked about the Ele runs away from a Mesmer, like a Mesmer lack stealth/blink to disengage. Between Ele and Mesmer, Mesmer has a lot more tools to disengage with lower cooldown than that 40s RTL. Very cute lol.

Sunshine.5014:

witcher.3197:

trytonianYeti.4389:

What people fail to realize is that the other 2 light armored classes, cele signet necro and shatter Mesmer, beat dd eles.

Cele nec is a 50/50 matchup for DD, and even then the nec can only kill the ele if the ele wants to die – he can just disengage anytime and the nec can’t chase him down, then give the ele a couple of seconds, he’ll reset and come back, after a while the ele shall outsustain the nec.

And there is a solid 1 out of 10 chance that a shatter mes can beat an equally skilled DD ele – and then, again, the ele can just run away with RTL/FGS/LF, reset, and will lose to this tactic faster than a nec.

See, I totally predicted it! Even after Ele sustain gets nerfed, you will switch to complain about Ele mobility! You just can’t stop QQing.

You talked about the Ele runs away from a Mesmer, like a Mesmer lack stealth/blink to disengage. Between Ele and Mesmer, Mesmer has a lot more tools to disengage with lower cooldown than that 40s RTL. Very cute lol.

Your typical PU Mesmer would win a 1v1, if its on a large open flat plane like WvW. Holding on to a point though, the Mesmer would die too easily. They typically don’t have many considered cleanse and the ele would burn them to death.

But yeah, the Mesmer has the better escape mechanism. Even with the nerf to PU, MI is still good.

Or the Mesmer can just moa the ele and burst him down.

“See, I totally predicted it! Even after Ele sustain gets nerfed, you will switch to complain about Ele mobility! You just can’t stop QQing.”

Nobody should have heavy sustain, mobility, and reasonable damage. Usually, classes have to give up damage for utility. Being able to disengage and roam well on the map as well as provide pressure and cleanse conditions trivially shuts down too many counters.

D/D will be hated as long as they don’t have a strong counter. That counter needs to be a mechanic and not just some niche class ability.

Tweaking D/D damage numbers alone is foolish. If they push too hard the class becomes bunkery but irrelevant. If they don’t provide a good counter then it’s just not balanced.

A good example are engineers. They have good damage, CC, and some sustain. What they lack are good condi clears. This leaves them vulnerable to pure condi specs as well as condi-based CC.

Thaelias.7432:

Usually, classes have to give up damage for utility.

Like Mesmer, Thief, and Warrior, right? Oh, wait…

Sunshine.5014:

So, Nos had consistently won most of his 1v1 since the time Necro was considered the bottom class. With your philosophy, we should balance based on what people can do with the class. That mean we shouldn’t have buffed my Necro at all? In fact, it should have been nerfed?

/cringe with those forums warriors, both you and Saiyan.

Aren’t forum warriors suppose to have high egos and insult or something? I just throw out some common sense and sometimes politically correct people….

Sunshine.5014:

If you think Ele has too much sustain, get your Fire Cele Ele in and duel with my Mesmer. Let’s see how much sustain you have.

Mesmers can’t bunk and hold a point like a Cele D/D Ele can… their sustains are incomparable. The only reason a Mesmers can even beat an Ele is because Mesmers are 1v1 powerhouse builds…. When they +1 a mid fight, they lack considerably beyond that initial mid stealth burst spike. The mesmer will get pushed off point their after, unless they kite around Foefire mid. Even still, their sustains are not nearly as efficient as Ele is on point.

Sunshine.5014:

Reviewed the list of threads cakeonroof posted. You and Saiyan were the biggest forum warriors claiming Ele were too strong because of burning. Now that Ele burning was needed, you switched to ask for healing nerfed. I’m pretty sure after that you will continue to ask for mobility nerf too, since you don’t seem to be able to deal with Ele no matter how easy it is to deal with them.

I thought I corrected this misconception on cakeonroof’s post.

Lets take a step back, I’ve said numerous times in prepatch that Ele sustains comes from their mobility. Their damage to sustain ratio was over the top.

Sources: Jan 2015

Below, I’ve even said that burns damages were not the culprit. This was after patch, and before all those Burn QQ posts.

Source: August 2015

“In the past 2 WTS tournaments, Cele Ele D/D have performed the same.”

• Kings of conquest mode 1v1’s
• Extremely resilient to the point of being a tank in 1v1 and 1v2 scenarios
• Very few weaknesses compared to other classes
• Moderate team supports when syncronized
• Able to leave immediately in clutch situations
• Great mobility

“Burns haven’t played that big of a role in WTS/ESL tournaments compared to what Eles already were. Those QQ’s are from solo, unsynchronized teams running in and out of fire fields, but that’s not to say human errors don’t occur. 6 to 9 burn stacks from just RoF can still happen, it’s just rare seeing it. All the same, it adds salt to the wound,”

My posts regarding Ele Burns was mainly in reference of how RoF acted on unaware, unsyncronized players. Like I said to Cake, the RoF changes were still absolutely needed.

Again, a misconception on your perception of what I said about Ele’s Burns.

DD ele is now a sustain spec.

It can’t lose a 1v1 on equal ground but thats irrelevant for an essentially a mobile bunker/support spec, the dmg on it is GREATLY reduced.

I am not harping on D/D ele. But it is still meta and a top tier class easily above others. To play the class does require skill and knowledge to make it successful, but the fact it is still in meta says something and how bad it really was before ANETs nerf. If ANET has any hope at all in making it into esports, they need to start balancing the classes much quicker. The fact that ESL has to ban certain items speaks volumes of ANET’s pace to address it.

How is it that a light armor class is the tankiest of all the classes?

Lol I’m willing to bet money majority of the people here who are qq-ing don’t even play ele. Ele is strong, no doubt. But is it op? Hell no. Get over it and l2p.

Moreover, with incoming elite specs, these ele qq comments will probably be history.

Do you guys even remember how destructive the dd ele was after June patch?
I could beat shatter mesmers even before they got the nerf on my d/d ele from burns alone.

Queued for unranked one time coz ranked took too long.

No joke I 1v3 home after they attempted to rush it.

After holding up against 3, I put the final nails on the coffin with burning speed 6k crits, 6 burning stacks from RoF and (since this IS unranked) downed all 3 with earth 5.

I was in disbelief and said to myself that I’d better stop playing this build and not get too attached to it coz it’s gonna get nerfed no doubt about it.

Post nerf, it’s fine. I like it more coz I now I could play and not fear that it will get nerfed further

I prefer dd ele when it was op coz i now im out of builds to complain about on the forum. not fun. and i cant complain about dd eles now coz theyre not hard to kill anymore…or more like they don’t kill me before i kill them as much anymore.

and i wont complain about burn damage in general coz its cheap and easy to counter.

hmm this is bad….

abc.5790:

I prefer dd ele when it was op coz i now im out of builds to complain about on the forum. not fun. and i cant complain about dd eles now coz theyre not hard to kill anymore…or more like they don’t kill me before i kill them as much anymore.

and i wont complain about burn damage in general coz its cheap and easy to counter.

hmm this is bad….

Give it just 4 more days and you’ll be able to complain about ~everything~

meow one twenty.4376:

Give it just 4 more days and you’ll be able to complain about ~everything~ [/quote]

inb4 reaper op chrono op scrapper op rev op herald op druid op tempest op berserker op daredevil op

Mightybird.6034:

meow one twenty.4376:

Give it just 4 more days and you’ll be able to complain about ~everything~

inb4 reaper op chrono op scrapper op rev op herald op druid op tempest op berserker op daredevil op

+1

I <3 you guys thanks for bringing back hope in my life.

abc.5790:

Mightybird.6034:

meow one twenty.4376:

Give it just 4 more days and you’ll be able to complain about ~everything~

inb4 reaper op chrono op scrapper op rev op herald op druid op tempest op berserker op daredevil op

+1

I <3 you guys thanks for bringing back hope in my life.

Not sure when to take you seriously. I know, I just wont.

Mightybird.6034:

meow one twenty.4376:

Give it just 4 more days and you’ll be able to complain about ~everything~

inb4 reaper op chrono op scrapper op rev op herald op druid op tempest op berserker op daredevil op

Welllllll… I thought Tempest was OP until I realized there were two attacking me.