Guild Wars 2

So, I just hit prestige 2 … and now I’m practically forced to throw my games. The second I hit this garbage division my queue times have literally tripled. Anet, for the love of god, could you stop promoting unskilled garbage in your PvP. Anyone who plays well or plays a lot gets punished. Even at the start of the season the difference in queue times between low diamond and mid/high diamond was disgustingly large. This system is so mental.

I literally have to wait over 30 min in NA primetime watching other legends get matches within 10 min so that I can throw the game and get back into prestige 1 … well done.

currently waiting 20 minutes, probably have to wait another 30 minutes to get a 500-50 game again.

on the same ship

cant even get my 3 daily matches for the achievement while sitting on 2 hours queues

and this is lady and gentlemen why i didn’t rush through divisions like mad on first days~

i have lovely short queue times in diamond and i love it :P

I find it funny now that all the higher divisions are complaining all the time. It used to be Sapphire and lower just a week ago.

Cynz.9437:

and this is lady and gentlemen why i didn’t rush through divisions like mad on first days~

i have lovely short queue times in diamond and i love it :P

i didnt even feel like i rushed it, i took my time while doing the 3 daily matches for backpiece

celldwell.5029:

Cynz.9437:

and this is lady and gentlemen why i didn’t rush through divisions like mad on first days~

i have lovely short queue times in diamond and i love it :P

i didnt even feel like i rushed it, i took my time while doing the 3 daily matches for backpiece

well the only thing i can suggest is to do unranked i guess until more people hit legend

it will take time, ruby is a huge bottleneck atm, especially due to new matchmaking, it gonna take a while till queues in legend are reasonable

Hilarious game, Anet.

I feel terrible about it but I have no other choice but to throw. I’m not dealing with this garbage.

It’s even better when you note that this is during NA primetime. Mid-prestige 1 goes from 30m to 1hr30m during EU prime. All for blowouts most of the time. I understand there’s not as much variation for matchmaking as there is in ruby or diamond, but I’d rather wait 5-10 minutes for a blowout or a hard carry then an hour for a match that carries a large chance of being the same match.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. There aren’t a lot of people that are going to invest enough time and effort to get to div 2 legendary this fast. If you only want a team of your peers, then you have to wait. If you expand the system to find players that are in lesser divisions, then you risk carrying scrubs to legendary status.

If you want to play that bad there is unranked, or you can make an alt account,

Only took me 2.5 hours and 3 games. Fun times.

Cynz.9437:

and this is lady and gentlemen why i didn’t rush through divisions like mad on first days~

i have lovely short queue times in diamond and i love it :P

it’s been out for weeks, not days

Isn’t this what you guys wanted, the best being at the top? This is what you get.

Would you salty little sapphires get out my thread with your garbage comments?

“I’m good mom, I swear.”

The only salty one is you. My Q times in diamond are just fine lmao.

Hammerguard.9834:

Would you salty little sapphires get out my thread with your garbage comments?

“I’m good mom, I swear.”

Well majority of the player pool is in sapphire. Your at a point were there is nobody to pull in for matchmaking. There is no player pool up there.

For real.

what are you guys even defending? no one should have to sit through 2 hour queues. no one should have lose on purpose.

win streak bonus was added to push the better players out of lower brackets yet we still have it at legendary.

quit acting like the players are at fault for this bad system.

and why are you so worried about scrubs making it to legendary? does it even matter?

fishball.7204:

Isn’t this what you guys wanted, the best being at the top? This is what you get.

i don’t get why you’re so salty about people being better at a video game than you that you want to punish them for it

I don’t really care if people are better than me. Abjured/PZ etc are all better than me in pvp and SC/vC etc are better than me at pve.

All I’m saying is people wanted a division SKILL BASED system and this is what you get. There’s nobody up there because you’re skilled/dedicated and nobody else is there.

I can’t really find any sympathy in my heart. This is the direct result of the system that many legend players said they wanted.

celldwell.5029:

For real.

what are you guys even defending? no one should have to sit through 2 hour queues. no one should have lose on purpose.

win streak bonus was added to push the better players out of lower brackets yet we still have it at legendary.

quit acting like the players are at fault for this bad system.

and why are you so worried about scrubs making it to legendary? does it even matter?

here you go so you guys can read it again

It’s not even about there not being enough players, it’s about this stupid system thinking that prestige 2 players are too good to play with prestige 1 players.

Ithilwen.1529:

I can’t really find any sympathy in my heart. This is the direct result of the system that many legend players said they wanted.

/Agree

Anet specifically designed this sad excuse of a matchmaking system to fast track you all to legendary at the expense of the majority of the player base – enjoy your long queue times.

There are a lot of people (myself included) who stop caring about progress once they hit legendary, so the pool of players willing to grind up the prestige ranks is incredibly small.

All A.net needs to do to resolve OP’s problem is to increase the rate at which matchmaking expands the pip-range when looking for an opponent. So, as an example, when OP (Prestige 2) queues up for a match, matchmaking first looks for opponents who are also Prestige 2. If 4-5 minutes goes by and there isn’t anyone in Prestige 2, then matchmaking should start looking for opponents who are higher up in Prestige 1. If another 4-5 minutes goes by without a match, then the system should look for opponents who are anywhere in Prestige 1. The problem seems to be that matchmaking apparently refuses to match Prestige 2’s against Prestige 1’s, or that it has to wait 45 minutes before making that jump.

(It may also be the case that there just aren’t enough legendaries in general, although I don’t think that’s a problem because my Q times in Prestige 1 are only about 5-8 minutes during primetime).

Daroon.1736:

Ithilwen.1529:

I can’t really find any sympathy in my heart. This is the direct result of the system that many legend players said they wanted.

/Agree

Anet specifically designed this sad excuse of a matchmaking system to fast track you all to legendary at the expense of the majority of the player base – enjoy your long queue times.

oh yeah the majority of the playerbase is reeeaaaaaally feeling those 2 hour Q times

Once you hit legendary you should only get matched with other legendaries anymore… randomly…. its kinda where the ladder really starts after all,…. no mmr should be involved anymore.

That would even be worth to watch streamers for.

I guess this is working as intended, take a look at Moba games, LoL for example, even though they have such a huge player base, the Challenger (best) players will most definitely have long queue times. Streamers play other games inbetween queues etc.

Ranked queues are increasing at lower levels as well, this season is a complete bust due to the poor matchmaking

if you stay in first half of legendary there is close to no queue but games are really poor now because some bad players finally reach legendary.

If you go too high in the league there is no one to play with and if you take your time you have the risk to be pair with awfull players and finally have to fish when your MMR is top of your division to win games.

Well… Anet didn’t want to get SOLOQ, why? They don’t have enough population to make 2 queue mode…

Guess what?

They did put 6 queue mode, 1 for each divisions. All this to make a rank based system on GRINDS (not skill).

Anyway… wait for another week, the no life grinders are coming to you.

Here comes my statement.

The main problem i’ve found regarding the queue time issue in Legend is the Leaderboard to Reach Challenger Cup, IN my case, i started as a team with my mates just from diamond, and i doubt news teams whom start the ladder farm directly from Amber could reach a better rank (regarding the fact score is based on an amount of victories).

I consider, if you reached legend it’s normal your queue time is incredibly long, because the only interesting matches you could have is with another team whom have the same level, and they are not so many.

The only way to have interesting matches (that could help you to improve your skill in facts) is the scrims, ESL Weekly cups and unranked (based on MMR)

My 2 cents

there’s what a month more for diamond players to get to legendary? and most of them will quit playing and do some pve coz why keep playing? u dont get anything once u get to legendary? i know i wont beside doing dailys which i dont care if i win or lose.

Testudo.4620:

Daroon.1736:

Ithilwen.1529:

I can’t really find any sympathy in my heart. This is the direct result of the system that many legend players said they wanted.

/Agree

Anet specifically designed this sad excuse of a matchmaking system to fast track you all to legendary at the expense of the majority of the player base – enjoy your long queue times.

oh yeah the majority of the playerbase is reeeaaaaaally feeling those 2 hour Q times

No, the majority of the player base has either stopped playing or are becoming increasingly frustrated and alienated by the matchmaking system (high MMR teams vs Low MMR teams) which sped you all up to Legendary.

If enough of them are prepared to put up with it for long enough, things will get better, but in the meantime, The few high tier players who benefited from the system will just have to get used to sitting around waiting to play with themselves.

It’s not just in legend division, it’s the same in ruby and diamond division, witch means low pvp ranked population! Lots of players decided to quit season 2.. so that’s the reason!
Season 2 queue, and matchmaking is more worse than season 1!
Even in diamond division there are so naiv players, they play like in season 1 with their profession, and ask why they lost?! ‘cause nobody told them on mettabattle, hey, the professions got nerfed and buffed!
And not to mention Stronghold, in stronghold ppl play 2 ele and ask why they loose… or the ele lets the team 4vs5 at door 2, while he goes supply like a little ant, we die, he dies after, and tell us that he can’t 3vs1! In diamond division! ( I have to mention why is this bad, for the low minded! If you kill 5 players at your base you get 10 supply, with those you can summon 10 door breakers and advance to their lord! )
So please, at least, think a little, I swear this is not a ranked game any more, all the player base gone from ranked, and n00b players with no brain remain, in diamond..!!
The same with foefire map, we get close and mid, and the n00bs go long … we loose mid because of that, and we loose long to… Mid is the most critical on that map, from there you can go close very fast with lots of people if necessary..but hey, you have to think! It’s hard to think!

I think the sad thing is that there are still a lot of players stuck in ruby/diamond who deserve to be in legend division who aren’t because of solo queue MMR hell

Two things;

1. Theres basically no reason to continue play once you get legend. No extra tickets, no extra shinies, just a title for getting there.

2. A lot of players gave up due to constant losing which leads to huge q times. Who in right mind would bother to continue play if they lose match after match. Pvp in this game is dead as Anet killed it by their horrible and most kittened matchmaking in the history of gaming.

Personally i have reached diamond, made wings and stopped playing completely. Atm theres no reason to play, i have huge ques and on top of that i blowout other team or the other way around. No close games whatsoever, faceroll or be facerolled. S1 had more prestige than this joke if you been soloq only.

foogison.5067:

I think the sad thing is that there are still a lot of players stuck in ruby/diamond who deserve to be in legend division who aren’t because of solo queue MMR hell

I agree with this, after getting to Tier 7 Diamond ( solo ) and then suddenly dropping to tier 2 within 3 days, I can tell you that I’m pretty burned out, there were games where I got the same teammates 5 consecutive times, I would get the same players in my team on other days as well, no not in the opposing team, but in my team. Today for example, I got a warrior and 2 premades twice in my team, after having stopped playing for a few hours, I get the same players again. Match making is bad and I’m seriously thinking of leaving PvP until they fix their kittening system.

It doesn’t matter how hard I try to carry, I get frustrated about the loss in the end, if I made mistakes, I blame myself, I reflect on what I could have done better, but it seriously gets tiring after a while and I start questioning myself whether this game is really worth playing, though I will not lose hope.

Lots of people just quit and are playing unranked (its pretty fast queues even during off hours.)

Regardless of the system being bad or good, why not just play unranked for awhile rather than throwing games ..?

Burtnik.5218:

Two things;

1. Theres basically no reason to continue play once you get legend. No extra tickets, no extra shinies, just a title for getting there.

2. A lot of players gave up due to constant losing which leads to huge q times. Who in right mind would bother to continue play if they lose match after match. Pvp in this game is dead as Anet killed it by their horrible and most kittened matchmaking in the history of gaming.

Personally i have reached diamond, made wings and stopped playing completely. Atm theres no reason to play, i have huge ques and on top of that i blowout other team or the other way around. No close games whatsoever, faceroll or be facerolled. S1 had more prestige than this joke if you been soloq only.

This. All the bad games kind of burnt me out on the season. Crossed into Ruby and won 9 of 10. But all the bad games to this point both for and against just took the shine off of the season. I hate the new purely streak pip format (not to mention those stuck in MMR spirals), I’d rather people are rewarded some for having a good game because good competitive games are what I am after.

They pushed people to the top with dumb team making and they quit at legend. The players at the bottom got farmed due to dumb team making and they quit because losing streaks of 20+ suck. And the season is lost.

These seasons should be encouraging new players into PvP to come and stay and grow and get better. Instead it just allowed the best to get their temporary bling and the rest to basically quit. While the lower tier players could probably advance more now, they have already given up after being farmed.

Fail season.

ResJudicator.7916:

There are a lot of people (myself included) who stop caring about progress once they hit legendary, so the pool of players willing to grind up the prestige ranks is incredibly small.

All A.net needs to do to resolve OP’s problem is to increase the rate at which matchmaking expands the pip-range when looking for an opponent. So, as an example, when OP (Prestige 2) queues up for a match, matchmaking first looks for opponents who are also Prestige 2. If 4-5 minutes goes by and there isn’t anyone in Prestige 2, then matchmaking should start looking for opponents who are higher up in Prestige 1. If another 4-5 minutes goes by without a match, then the system should look for opponents who are anywhere in Prestige 1. The problem seems to be that matchmaking apparently refuses to match Prestige 2’s against Prestige 1’s, or that it has to wait 45 minutes before making that jump.

(It may also be the case that there just aren’t enough legendaries in general, although I don’t think that’s a problem because my Q times in Prestige 1 are only about 5-8 minutes during primetime).

I dont know if you’ll get to read my reply but i want to thank you for having some logic here. got so many brainwashed replies here saying not to play the game instead of actually fixing it.

I wanted to ask exactly this question some days ago, if the pip range matchmaking works for legendary prestige.

Well, this is a bad idea, Every legendary player should be matched with other legendary player, without considering prestige or not.

It’s already a player niche, there are no enough players to considere prestige in matchmaking

Burtnik.5218:

Two things;

1. Theres basically no reason to continue play once you get legend. No extra tickets, no extra shinies, just a title for getting there.

2. A lot of players gave up due to constant losing which leads to huge q times. Who in right mind would bother to continue play if they lose match after match. Pvp in this game is dead as Anet killed it by their horrible and most kittened matchmaking in the history of gaming.

Personally i have reached diamond, made wings and stopped playing completely. Atm theres no reason to play, i have huge ques and on top of that i blowout other team or the other way around. No close games whatsoever, faceroll or be facerolled. S1 had more prestige than this joke if you been soloq only.

Completely agree, after getting my wings there is nothing to do but trolling for fun. Actually I don’t like PVP at all, if there is no such legendary wings, I won’t touch it at all.
Same goes WvW, I played almost 1 year now I haven’t even played a single WvW game.
But if Anet add a legendary reward I will immediately jump into it and farm it all day.

zcpbwl.7056:

Burtnik.5218:

Two things;

1. Theres basically no reason to continue play once you get legend. No extra tickets, no extra shinies, just a title for getting there.

2. A lot of players gave up due to constant losing which leads to huge q times. Who in right mind would bother to continue play if they lose match after match. Pvp in this game is dead as Anet killed it by their horrible and most kittened matchmaking in the history of gaming.

Personally i have reached diamond, made wings and stopped playing completely. Atm theres no reason to play, i have huge ques and on top of that i blowout other team or the other way around. No close games whatsoever, faceroll or be facerolled. S1 had more prestige than this joke if you been soloq only.

Completely agree, after getting my wings there is nothing to do but trolling for fun. Actually I don’t like PVP at all, if there is no such legendary wings, I won’t touch it at all.
Same goes WvW, I played almost 1 year now I haven’t even played a single WvW game.
But if Anet add a legendary reward I will immediately jump into it and farm it all day.

Agree. After I got my wings and Legendary last week, I basically quit (just in time for BDO to start). There is not much to play after that, and the queue time in Legendary+ just sucks, badly.

This is a real problem. I have been facing this all season being one of the first 10 to legendary. Even before legendary the diamond queue times would be 1 hour +. Now being in prestige 2 legendary I can be in a queue for 40 minutes in a prime-time hour when I can obviously see that there are enough legendary players queuing from my guild and friends list.

Last night I was getting into sequential games with hammergaurd and even though the games consisted of the same players it still took 20 minutes to queue up. All of us queued up immediately but there is something in the system that doesn’t match the teams until after a certain period of checking for better options.

The games were really good too. Teams were well matched. System just doesn’t get it.

lol who didn’t see this coming

Seriously though, if you get to legend you get 1 hour queue times. To earn that “reward” you have to farm 50 games in a row vs complete newbs. I played 5 games or something. 500-0 or so every game because I win every 1v2.

And I don’t even try at this game or know anything about this game. So I have to go through idiots for 50 games just to get 1 hour queue times? Yeh I stopped after 5 games. I will return for my next 5 games in another 6 months :P

Dead game.

Well. This should be obvious. If a large percentage of players is experiencing very long loss streaks, they simply put this game mode or the entire game on hold. Diminishing player base means that less and less players play it. It also means longer queue times for the large percentage of players.

Maybe Arenanet didn’t see it coming, but any experienced game developer could have warned them that unfair match making is a very fast recipe to lose a lot of players for good. The completely unfair matches are not fun for the competitive audience. Fair, even games are still fun, but they have become way too rare.

^^^^ This.

I’m guessing that the thinking was that at some point only players of similar mmr would be left in any given bracket.

If that were the case, then the unfair matches would go away naturally. The system would only have similar skilled people to draw from.

The thinking misses some pretty glaring flaws though. Legendary players running alts to get shorter queues in lower divisions is an obvious one. The fact there are dynamic teams is another. A relatively low skilled player may be carried by a team to a high division by a team. If they then switch to solo or to a team less able to carry them, the system is kittened.

The unfair match system would work “if” everyone were required to solo queue and anti sync’ing measures were in place. It works perfectly well for example in Drag Racing.

Legend division is a poor land of non-soloqers. And the higher you get into legend division the less soloQ players are active, everyone duo/trio/full premade, there’s no point playing against premades constantly at this level. People should stop being afraid of soloQing, would make faster queues, more fair matches overall too. Coming all the way down to reach the highest division and have long queue times + people who only premade is quite a turn off, no wonder queue times are endless.

So pro players who don’t want to play with scrubs have to make a new account and play scrubs to even get a match or go to unranked and play with scrubs. This thread is karma in action. Good stuff.