Guild Wars 2

Stealth, 1 knockdown, 2 knockbacks, cripple, 2 immob, leap, stunbreaker, fear from pet.

How can you possibly not escape with that?

Spirigo.2897:

Stealth, 1 knockdown, 2 knockbacks, cripple, 2 immob, leap, stunbreaker, fear from pet.

How can you possibly not escape with that?

Hammer warrior with leg specialist has more CC and also cripple, immob, stunbreakers, a leap, and another weapon set! Could even have stab and a fear!

Does that mean hammer warrior is also good at escaping?

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

Lb’s are not Designed for escape but for range cc/damage pressure , just look at DH LB , its got no Escape skills nor self giving boons attacted to the weapon , it is again a CC/Damage weapon with a little Boon support.

the lack of escape skills directly linked to the Lb are a draw back for its range , unlike popular team classes that have Blocks, stealths and ports in practicly every roation of skill they use on a regular basis.

the only things i’d class as a escape utility on a LB weapon would be to use the CC then turn tail and run
1. pbs 15sec cooldown (only effective for escape at really short range)
2. the stealth is 3secs on huntershot which again does not grant the ranger anything else unlike some other popular team classes that gain somthing out of thier skills , to the point huntershot alone is not a escape skill but a repostioning skill , if you don’t keep track for 3secs of movement left or right or infront of you thats a miss play on thier behalf.
3. KD from pet , disabled pet = no fear or KD.

its easy to keep track and easy to avoid a huntershot>pbs combo take 2 steps back then Gap close even if you do get hit by pbs from a lack of stability you’ll get pushed back 400 rather than 600 , and getting pushed back 400 keeps you in range of most port and gap closing skills.

hence why this Old Solo que mode got killed off , it promoted selfish play and people didnt use CC for their team but for thier own benifit.

one last thing i know of is most Melee user DO not keep notice of How far a distance is that isnt in there weapons tool tips, not judging a distance wasting ports rather than taking it on the chin to hide or go else where quickly to +1 a fight simply because you where out played.

to a ranger 100 yards means life or death and they judge that to the 10th of a yard so should you.

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Eurantien.4632:

@ Spirigo

If we did a test where you were on power ranger and I played every meta class against you, I would bet I would win every time. If I played power ranger and you got to play every meta class than I guarantee I would win at least 6/8, depending on your skill level 8/8. To me, that would suggest it isn’t power ranger that is strong nor that I’m a good player, but that you lack the ability to stand behind a wall, in a game mode where you can place yourself between the ranger, the wall, and the objective the ranger is trying to get to. That would mean, therefore, that it is a learn to play issue. I heavily encourage you to do so as many people don’t have problems with this class that you complain so much about. You also mention not seeing the ranger. This is again indicative of a learn to play issue, if you do not have the awareness to see a high dps class coming to kill you, then you deserve to die in this dog eat dog world of PvP that we have.

I also find your reasons to nerf ranger unsettling, “I’m bad, I die to ranger yet most people don’t, it makes the game unfun for me, please nerf it because I can’t learn to play”. Thought processes like this are what makes the community become toxic. Take some responsibility and learn to play, please.

+9000

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

Gl standing behind a wall when you are in a teamfight on mid.

“Random wall appears out of nowhere”

Not

On many points a ranger can’t even hit anything from 1200+ range.

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

And you don’t have an argument about why they are broken other than “they are toxic and no fun to fight against”. Every other point you have tried to make has been countered.

I personally find them very fun to fight against and so do many other people which makes your argument invalid.

Spirigo.2897:

Stealth, 1 knockdown, 2 knockbacks, cripple, 2 immob, leap, stunbreaker, fear from pet.

How can you possibly not escape with that?

Stability. Block. Dodge. Weapon evade. Easy.

LB Rangers might have some stuff to avoid getting attacked, but once they get jumped, their options to get away are very limited. Therefore map awareness and positioning are crucial for rangers. And those two things work very well against them too …

How to kill LB ranger as ranger:

1. Block with GS skill 4 and press 4 again to throw sword.
2. Press 3 on GS to both close the gap and/or evade.
3. Equip rampage as one and walk to him without dodging or evading.
4. Use SoS to eat 6s or arrows.
5. Use SoW to walk to him without dodging or evading.
6. Use lighting reflexes to break immobilize or dodge.
7. Use skill 1 on GS repeatedly.
8. Use skill 3 on sword to evade and poison him.
9. Use skill 2 to evade and close gap.
10. Use skill 4 on dagger to evade and attack.
11. Bind them with spider
12. Fear them with wolf.
13. Bind them with entangle
14. Bind them with mud.
15. Swap to lightning drake when you get into range and use lightning breath, they evade backwards and will usually eat it as they enter its cone of death.

You should be able to 100-0 a 66xxx ranger in 3-4s with celestial Ammy. If he pops SoS, evade spam it out and hit him with conditions. SoS does not stop them.

Spirigo.2897:

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

You know you are wasting your time writing these posts right? The devs won’t care about reading someone who doesn’t bring any form of constructive opinion. The only things I saw is just plain QQ everywhere about how toxic pewpew rangers are.

You basically neglect what everyone is saying about how to fight them and just keep talking to talk, saying the same things over and over and over. You are wasting your time writing here, altho it is entertaining to watch you go.

i think ranger’s skills themselves are ok the only fix ranger needs is having their maximum range being actual 1500 and not 2000 range .

it is surprising engineer turrets got nerfed for less when they did much less and took 2 whole traitline bars and 3 utility slots

Rezzet.3614:

i think ranger’s skills themselves are ok the only fix ranger needs is having their maximum range being actual 1500 and not 2000 range .

it is surprising engineer turrets got nerfed for less when they did much less and took 2 whole traitline bars and 3 utility slots

If they do nerf the ranger eventually it will be, as with the engi, another time that they nerf something they buffed earlier for no reasons.

Note that this happened to the ele before in the opposite direction, they had to buff things that they nerfed to the ground and people stop using.

Correct me if I am wrong but to achieve that kind of damage you need to be at maximum range. In this scenario ranger is support.

In turn this situation could be considered a double edge sword (double edge bow? see what I did there? ). Rangers long bow is not always effective when in CQC, so duck, dip & dodge or use the landscape to your advantage. Unless they have the high ground.

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

So to sum up the TL:DR
Rant?

I agree it is an annoying build, but for it to be effective requires a player to be competent. Power rangers are squishy, they need to make sure to have the high ground & not get kited. A decent D/D Ele, S/D Thief can take on a power ranger. Just because a build is effective by good players does not make it nerf worthy,

Yep, effective for good players, but not so strong as to be nerf worthy. A good challenge, nothing more and quite less in the hands of a beginner.

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

There’re only 8 professions here, and each match consists of 10 people. Chances are encountering any profession in a match is perfectly common. So encounter a ranger or 2 does not mean it’s Meta quality. Just like you’ll see some necro or mesmer in a match, that does not make them a Meta class, and I’m sure most people except you would agree with me.

As for rangers, if you see like 2~3 in your team, the reason is probably because of stupid class specific dailies. Also, it’s like 2~3 thieves in your team, which pretty much cost the match. Don’t know why can you call that Meta lol…

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

And you don’t have an argument about why they are broken other than “they are toxic and no fun to fight against”. Every other point you have tried to make has been countered.

I personally find them very fun to fight against and so do many other people which makes your argument invalid.

I listed those reasons time and time again. You either can’t read or fall in denial.

Looks like you just don’t want to admit that your favourite build shouldn’t exist. Gives easy wins though, so people defend it like GW crowd defended IWAY/Sway.

Spirigo.2897:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

And you don’t have an argument about why they are broken other than “they are toxic and no fun to fight against”. Every other point you have tried to make has been countered.

I personally find them very fun to fight against and so do many other people which makes your argument invalid.

I listed those reasons time and time again. You either can’t read or fall in denial.

Looks like you just don’t want to admit that your favourite build shouldn’t exist. Gives easy wins though, so people defend it like GW crowd defended IWAY/Sway.

Well I guess I must have missed something because what I read was you coming up with a few terrible arguments that were easily countered by multiple people. Then when you couldn’t come up with a valid argument to support your demand for a nerf you resorted to crying that you just don’t like fighting rangers and that they’re toxic.

Oh yeah, there were also a few rants about why they should balance the game around your low skill level instead of better players skill level because that is what some other video game did.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

And you don’t have an argument about why they are broken other than “they are toxic and no fun to fight against”. Every other point you have tried to make has been countered.

I personally find them very fun to fight against and so do many other people which makes your argument invalid.

I listed those reasons time and time again. You either can’t read or fall in denial.

Looks like you just don’t want to admit that your favourite build shouldn’t exist. Gives easy wins though, so people defend it like GW crowd defended IWAY/Sway.

Well I guess I must have missed something because what I read was you coming up with a few terrible arguments that were easily countered by multiple people. Then when you couldn’t come up with a valid argument to support your demand for a nerf you resorted to crying that you just don’t like fighting rangers and that they’re toxic.

Oh yeah, there were also a few rants about why they should balance the game around your low skill level instead of better players skill level because that is what some other video game did.

Some other video game is holding championships with $10 million prize pool with thousands of people attending to see the live event. Clearly “some other game” is doing something right.

There were no arguments against what I wrote, just whataboutism and random wrong assumptions. That alone is an indication enough that I’m right.

Maybe you think that LB Rangers are weak because you don’t know how to play one.

@ Spirigo,

You keep mentioning “whataboutism” and you are using it to say that our arguments are not credible; meanwhile, you are using the same “whataboutism” to say that Guild Wars 2 PvP is doing poorly because “What about Dota 2s, 10 mil prize pool”?

This most irritating thing is that this “whataboutism” you use is being based off of this idea that the power ranger with a lb is “annoying yet useless”, a very contradictory statement. People reasoned time and time again how power ranger is not the strongest build out there and how it can be countered. To try to put it in your terms, these people are using “relative whataboutisms” related to Guild Wars 2. These people are met with your arguments of personal anecdotes and snide remarks. To try to put it in your terms, you are using “irrelevant whataboutisms” not related to Guild Wars 2. I encourage you to explain how the power ranger is “overpowered” or “deserving of a nerf” despite the fact that the ranger has the easiest damage source to mitigate in the entire game (through LoS use), that it is not viable at top tier, that it is easily killed, and even in your own words “useless”. How can this build be justifiably nerfed? I repeat, the only answers you have come up with so far are your own personal “whatboutisms” such as, “it is annoying” and “Dota 2 has a 10 mil tourney”, therefore, “nerf ranger”…

What I say isn’t whataboutism. It’s either a fair comparison or an example of games where balancing is done right.

“But what about Cele?!” is whataboutism.

LB Rangers are broken. Period. Too strong for how easy it is, with counters that don’t apply to pubs. You disagree because you spam that build.

Spirigo.2897:

What I say isn’t whataboutism. It’s either a fair comparison or an example of games where balancing is done right.

“But what about Cele?!” is whataboutism.

LB Rangers are broken. Period. Too strong for how easy it is, with counters that don’t apply to pubs. You disagree because you spam that build.

“LB rangers are broken. Period. I can’t get 1 valid reason why, but if you disagree with me and give solid arguments why rangers aren’t broken it’s a whataboutism.”

If you fight as poorly as you argue it’s no reason you are getting your kitten handed to you by longbow rangers.

Spirigo.2897:

What I say isn’t whataboutism. It’s either a fair comparison or an example of games where balancing is done right.

“But what about Cele?!” is whataboutism.

LB Rangers are broken. Period. Too strong for how easy it is, with counters that don’t apply to pubs. You disagree because you spam that build.

“With counters that don’t apply to pubs [because pubs are bad]”. This can be said for EVERY KITTEN BUILD!

“Dota is balanced right” in other words, “What about Dota 2”? This is “whataboutism”…

Comparing power ranger to other builds isn’t “whataboutism” its a fair comparison of an example of a profession where unbalance is more present than for ranger.

You have serious issues with reading comprehension lol. Either that or trouble remembering the discussion past the last comment you’ve replied to.

That’s all I need to add at this point.

Spirigo.2897:

You have serious issues with reading comprehension lol. Either that or trouble remembering the discussion past the last comment you’ve replied to.

That’s all I need to add at this point.

If you’d spent half the time you wasted whining on the forums learning to play against the class, this wouldn’t even be an issue anymore.

^ An example of the “arguments” I got so far lol. What a joke.

Spirigo.2897:

^ An example of the “arguments” I got so far lol. What a joke.

When all you do is cry that something needs to be nerfed because you don’t like it, what kind of replies do you expect? You want the game to be changed, it’s up to you to come up with a valid reason why it should be changed. So far you have failed to do so.

“Be the change you wish to see in the world” – Ghandi

aka

“Learn to play”

“Ranger” in signature. Mad. Flaming. Zero counter-arguments.

Yep, nothing to take into consideration here. Stay mad.

Actually, I don’t see Eurantien being mad at all. He and other players are correcting your flawed arguments. Rather, it is you who show signs of being mad by going on a personal crusade to get rangers nerfed.

I see people in hotjoins/unranked/ranked games that are capable of handling power rangers well. Either they bring projectile reflections or hide behind walls when there are any (which most maps have) to avoid getting shot at. If they get caught in the open, they tend to beat a strategic retreat quickly. There’s also a strong tendency for people to focus down the ranger as soon as he shows up so he can’t really do anything much. And if a 2 vs 1 happened to you with the ranger chiming in, I fail to see how it is any different than a thief ganking you with someone else. Odds of losing those fights are about the same. And the only bad match ups against ranger is necromancer. The rest of the other 7 professions can deal with power rangers pretty well from what I have observed. Good thieves can shut down power rangers well by using their ports/interrupts well. The same goes for mesmers. Wars, it depends on the build they are running. Shoutbows can fight with power rangers well. Engineers can keep up with them easily and keep trying to overload them with conditions which is one of their glaring weaknesses. Condition rangers will eat power rangers for lunch from what I have seen. Power ranger vs power ranger will be a skill test. Mediation guards can kill them as well while bunker guard can survive and delay for a long while, waiting for support to come help kill the ranger.

Spirigo.2897:

“Ranger” in signature. Mad. Flaming. Zero counter-arguments.

Yep, nothing to take into consideration here. Stay mad.

i get it now. you like being a scrub. you like letting rangers freecast into your kitten . you get off on it. whining is your cute way of asking for more. this is really a ranger compliment thread where you thank all the rangers for killing you.

i mean it’s got to be right? considering you refuse to take advice or L2P it’s got to be.

Ranger is only strong under one of these three conditions.

1. The ranger’s team is well organized and have good communication, allowing the team to protect the ranger so it can do it’s job.
2. The ranger’s enemy team has next to no awareness and don’t do anything to try and counter the ranger’s attacks.
3. The ranger is substantially better at map rotation, positioning, and kiting than anyone else on the opposing team.

All it takes is slightly more than dirt-tier skill and communication to counter a longbow ranger. It’s very much capable of being done with just team chat.

“Hey, thief. Can you shadow that ranger and kill him every time he enters the fight?”

“Sure.”

Done deal.

Because I got tired of repeating myself as I did on the previous page, and began to refer them to my previous posts instead. This can obviously makes me look like an kitten because on the current page there is no immidiate indication of the arguments I made. As a result people who just joined the discussion get the wrong idea.

This is the problem with taking part in conversations like these, where the poster you’re replying to tends to respond with something that has nothing to do with the subject matter, a random assumption or a reply to a section of your post taken out of context.

Obviously at this stage the discussion degrades to “You must be getting killed by X l2p” where X is whatever youre complaining to. Because it is a PvP forum after all.

That being put aside the issue is that instead of being balanced in such a way where it can offer something unique and useful to the team, the Ranger class is currently made viable in pub by a cheese build that exploits lack of organization and poor matchmaking. It’s basically Sway of GW2.

If you think that ranger is perfectly balanced, and that 2300 range cheesefest is the way to go because it’s easy to kill then by all means continue. I personally think it’s a stupid build and Ranger has to be rebalanced in a way that would make it viable in a less toxic way.

Eurantien.4632:

Xom.9264:

Eurantien.4632:

@ Spirigo

If we did a test where you were on power ranger and I played every meta class against you, I would bet I would win every time. If I played power ranger and you got to play every meta class than I guarantee I would win at least 6/8, depending on your skill level 8/8. To me, that would suggest it isn’t power ranger that is strong nor that I’m a good player, but that you lack the ability to stand behind a wall, in a game mode where you can place yourself between the ranger, the wall, and the objective the ranger is trying to get to. That would mean, therefore, that it is a learn to play issue. I heavily encourage you to do so as many people don’t have problems with this class that you complain so much about. You also mention not seeing the ranger. This is again indicative of a learn to play issue, if you do not have the awareness to see a high dps class coming to kill you, then you deserve to die in this dog eat dog world of PvP that we have.

I also find your reasons to nerf ranger unsettling, “I’m bad, I die to ranger yet most people don’t, it makes the game unfun for me, please nerf it because I can’t learn to play”. Thought processes like this are what makes the community become toxic. Take some responsibility and learn to play, please.

You’re talking about dueling…. whats out of control is in conquest mode how much damage they do from so far away so easy. Other zerk classes have a much higher risk for the same reward/effectiveness.

The skill level it takes to play zerk shatter mesmer is much much much much greater then a zerk ranger… rewards are the same.

Yet 0 rangers on top teams? Every team has a thief, and often a mesmer… If ranger is easier and just as effective, why are there no rangers?

Do you read at all? It’s not about being effective, it’s about ranger being easy as hell and still being able to dish out lots damage. No one talks about 1v1’s, couldn’t care less about that. You might not have the experience as a soloquer but lots of us do. You think it’s fun to fight against power rangers who keep camping ledges the whole game without moving? No. Do you think it’s fun to have these players on my team? Hell no. Seriously, the most fun games are without a ranger on any side, but sadly lots people actually do play ranger. Do you know why? Exactly, because it’s that braindead. I really don’t care if rangers are overpowered or not, it’s a dumb build with nothing to offer. Most players playing ranger are so bad, they will waste their most important skills on blind, backpaddle from you while shooting you with LB with no distance, never bother press the kitten F when a teammate is down, never rotate. I’ve met only a few good rangers that I was actually happy to have on my team while I’ve met hundreds that I wish I never met.

If you want to play a build that requires no skill, go on, but I would much rather if they actually rework this class and make it viable AND skillful to play. But then again, half of the people crying here about rangers being too weak would cry it’s too hard.

And btw there is no valid reason for having a ranger over 1500 either.

Laraley.7695:

Eurantien.4632:

Xom.9264:

Eurantien.4632:

@ Spirigo

If we did a test where you were on power ranger and I played every meta class against you, I would bet I would win every time. If I played power ranger and you got to play every meta class than I guarantee I would win at least 6/8, depending on your skill level 8/8. To me, that would suggest it isn’t power ranger that is strong nor that I’m a good player, but that you lack the ability to stand behind a wall, in a game mode where you can place yourself between the ranger, the wall, and the objective the ranger is trying to get to. That would mean, therefore, that it is a learn to play issue. I heavily encourage you to do so as many people don’t have problems with this class that you complain so much about. You also mention not seeing the ranger. This is again indicative of a learn to play issue, if you do not have the awareness to see a high dps class coming to kill you, then you deserve to die in this dog eat dog world of PvP that we have.

I also find your reasons to nerf ranger unsettling, “I’m bad, I die to ranger yet most people don’t, it makes the game unfun for me, please nerf it because I can’t learn to play”. Thought processes like this are what makes the community become toxic. Take some responsibility and learn to play, please.

You’re talking about dueling…. whats out of control is in conquest mode how much damage they do from so far away so easy. Other zerk classes have a much higher risk for the same reward/effectiveness.

The skill level it takes to play zerk shatter mesmer is much much much much greater then a zerk ranger… rewards are the same.

Yet 0 rangers on top teams? Every team has a thief, and often a mesmer… If ranger is easier and just as effective, why are there no rangers?

Do you read at all? It’s not about being effective, it’s about ranger being easy as hell and still being able to dish out lots damage. No one talks about 1v1’s, couldn’t care less about that. You might not have the experience as a soloquer but lots of us do. You think it’s fun to fight against power rangers who keep camping ledges the whole game without moving? No. Do you think it’s fun to have these players on my team? Hell no. Seriously, the most fun games are without a ranger on any side, but sadly lots people actually do play ranger. Do you know why? Exactly, because it’s that braindead. I really don’t care if rangers are overpowered or not, it’s a dumb build with nothing to offer. Most players playing ranger are so bad, they will waste their most important skills on blind, backpaddle from you while shooting you with LB with no distance, never bother press the kitten F when a teammate is down, never rotate. I’ve met only a few good rangers that I was actually happy to have on my team while I’ve met hundreds that I wish I never met.

If you want to play a build that requires no skill, go on, but I would much rather if they actually rework this class and make it viable AND skillful to play. But then again, half of the people crying here about rangers being too weak would cry it’s too hard.

And btw there is no valid reason for having a ranger over 1500 either.

Define easy.
If a class takes way more skills to survive and be effective than other classes, how can that be easy? Just because the skills use less bottoms doesn’t mean it’s easy, otherwise people would all be playing zerkers by now. Do you think Engi with kits pressing more bottoms = hard to play classes? It has nothing to do with it. An easy class requires you to be successful without spending any effort and takes no skill to be on top scene, which clearly ranger does not achieve this. Engineer and Warrior are the easiest classes to play.

Tbh, we rangers don’t need 1800 range. (stop lying about 2100~2300 range, it’s not 2100). We want no damage penalty at close range. We want more none projectiles AOE. We want more access to cleanse without sacrificing traits or FULL utility bars.
If LB1 auto can be max damage at all range, 4 becomes an AOE knockdown with good damage, 5 has no channel time to cast it, then I’m willing to give-up that range advantage.

Been reading about your post history. You’re one of the few people who’re actually crying about 2 of the most underpowered classes in PVP: Necro and Ranger.
Don’t know what kind of level you’re playing, because you have no issue dealing with Top classes like Warrior, Ele, Thief, Guardian, and Engineer, while having so much issues with 2 weakest classes. Very strange indeed.

Laraley.7695:

Do you read at all? It’s not about being effective, it’s about ranger being easy as hell and still being able to dish out lots damage. No one talks about 1v1’s, couldn’t care less about that. You might not have the experience as a soloquer but lots of us do. You think it’s fun to fight against power rangers who keep camping ledges the whole game without moving? No. Do you think it’s fun to have these players on my team? Hell no. Seriously, the most fun games are without a ranger on any side, but sadly lots people actually do play ranger. Do you know why? Exactly, because it’s that braindead. I really don’t care if rangers are overpowered or not, it’s a dumb build with nothing to offer. Most players playing ranger are so bad, they will waste their most important skills on blind, backpaddle from you while shooting you with LB with no distance, never bother press the kitten F when a teammate is down, never rotate. I’ve met only a few good rangers that I was actually happy to have on my team while I’ve met hundreds that I wish I never met.

If you want to play a build that requires no skill, go on, but I would much rather if they actually rework this class and make it viable AND skillful to play. But then again, half of the people crying here about rangers being too weak would cry it’s too hard.

And btw there is no valid reason for having a ranger over 1500 either.

1. If you’re letting the power ranger camp a ledge without moving the entire game you and your team are awful and deserved that loss. I’m sorry, but that’s true. Most of the professions in this game have access to the means to mitigate that damage and pressure the ranger off the ledge. Some professions, such as thieves, can both out maneuver and overwhelm the ranger to the point that the ranger has to outplay the thief considerably to still be able to do that damage. There is a lot of available counterplay that you don’t need to be especially skilled at the game to use.

2. This is where the argument always falls a part. If the build is extremely powerful and effective when the enemy has one why would that NOT hold true when they are on your team as well? A profession cannot be both overpowered and a liability at the same time. That logic doesn’t hold up.

3. I actually enjoy playing with and against power rangers. Some of the most intense fights I’ve had have been against a really good power ranger who knows what they are doing, and there’s little in the game more satisfying than managing to outplay a power ranger on a perch who has every advantage against you and securing that stomp. This is in stark opposition to my experience with every celestial build. Do you know why the power ranger is fun to play against but not the celestial builds? Because the power ranger can be overcome if you execute your skills properly and make intelligent use of the terrain. A celestial build, however, has a massive amount of passive sustain that allows it to soak up damage while dishing that damage back out. It’s mechanically superior to other brawler builds and will nearly always win because of the sheer numbers involved in the fight. It’s aggravating to be outplaying someone and still be losing because their health is returning faster than you can deal your damage.

4. Longbow ranger requires similar skill to the other burst focused builds. They give up a ton of sustain and have to rely purely on active defense to survive, which means if they are not skilled in the management of these active defenses they will die. Yes, they can catch you unaware and down you from afar, but that is no different from catching a burst from a hidden thief. In both scenarios you are equally in trouble. Only in the case of the power ranger there’s still a chance to win where as the thief can disappear to reset the fight.

There seems to be a major misunderstanding going on.

To sum it up:
1. Ranger is weak compared to other classes.
2. Ranger is hard as hell.
3. Ranger is super effective vs casuals.

Proof:
1. Every single class does something better than the ranger, necro is kind of in a kittenty spot too.

2. This is coupled with fact 1, that ranger has to overperform to be remotely viable. There has only been 1 ranger out of the 40 professions presented at the top tier of PvP, the lowest on the list (with necro). You can argue that the PvP scene is small but those 40 got there by beating everyone else in Guild Wars 2.

3. Of course ranger is easy vs people who don’t know how to play! The complaints against ranger are ALWAYS based on the fact that rangers ONE redeeming quality is that it has the highest ranged damage. That means people who have not YET learned how to play Guild Wars 2 effectively will get steam rolled and feel as if there is nothing they can do because they don’t even land a hit on the ranger due to the range. Given fact 1 and 2, however, nerfing ranger is not the answer. Instead, we should be teaching people how to play. This is something every single “ranger advocate” has suggested. Ranger has the easiest damage to mitigate and the least amount of burst available, making it a very easy class to counter. Pick your ranger hate thread, open it up, read the advice on how to counter rangers and take it to heart, its really your only option. If you refuse to learn to improve, you will ALWAYS be steamrolled, even if ranger got nerfed you will ALWAYS get steamrolled by something else and by the same players who strive to improve.

I just use spectral grasp to pull them to the middle of the zergfest on mid, Using Ctrl+T before that, and watch them melt. 1v1… They almost always use their knockback and followed by Rapid fire the moment you are in range- double dodge knockback and RF, death shroud(or endure pain, or the shield wall guards pop up) the rest of rapid fire and that massive cripple AoE (barrage?), chill them so they cant use those 2/3 skills again in the 1v1, and that’s gf right there. Occasionally a ranger will actually know his stuff and still beat you, those are the ones that actually switch to GS when you’re up close rather than using their LB, but like 90% of them probably don’t even know what a GS is lol.
EDIT: The point I’m trying to make is the vast majority of the rangers use the same tactics, easily telegraphable and countered.

I usually aoe the spot when they start channelling, it then takes one thief or mesmer to finish the job, or either I teleport to them or los under them and aoe to deny them any safe spot. As long as you keep an eye on them it’s fine. Their build isn’t so much forgiving, and doesn’t offer much to the team.

18 matches ever on Ranger, 11th win, its a super simple easymode class to play. You hit the skill ceiling about the third match you play and its all profit from there. Once you’re 18 matches deep and a super pro like me you’ll fully carry your team.

https://youtu.be/pOizCMxVXOU

I do it for the daily but my soul still withers after playing it : D
OP? In need of balance? Eh, I don’t know.

/Weakness /Ranger /Thread

Hehehe

Ross Biddle.2367:

18 matches ever on Ranger, 11th win, its a super simple easymode class to play. You hit the skill ceiling about the third match you play and its all profit from there. Once you’re 18 matches deep and a super pro like me you’ll fully carry your team.

https://youtu.be/pOizCMxVXOU

I do it for the daily but my soul still withers after playing it : D
OP? In need of balance? Eh, I don’t know.

Donnu why you can say you “carry the team” even though your teammates do the capping and stalling for you. What I define “carrying” is that you’re able to stall in outnumbered situation on node and let your team outnumber opponents in other part of maps.

Ross Biddle.2367:

18 matches ever on Ranger, 11th win, its a super simple easymode class to play. You hit the skill ceiling about the third match you play and its all profit from there. Once you’re 18 matches deep and a super pro like me you’ll fully carry your team.

https://youtu.be/pOizCMxVXOU

I do it for the daily but my soul still withers after playing it : D
OP? In need of balance? Eh, I don’t know.

Skill ceiling? You swapped your pet once in the entire match.

Tman.6349:

/Weakness /Ranger /Thread

Hehehe

So much this.. Shame there is no source of weakness for power necro

Eurantien.4632:

Ross Biddle.2367:

18 matches ever on Ranger, 11th win, its a super simple easymode class to play. You hit the skill ceiling about the third match you play and its all profit from there. Once you’re 18 matches deep and a super pro like me you’ll fully carry your team.

https://youtu.be/pOizCMxVXOU

I do it for the daily but my soul still withers after playing it : D
OP? In need of balance? Eh, I don’t know.

Skill ceiling? You swapped your pet once in the entire match.

Proof of how easy ranger is maybe…..?

Laraley.7695:

Eurantien.4632:

Xom.9264:

Eurantien.4632:

@ Spirigo

If we did a test where you were on power ranger and I played every meta class against you, I would bet I would win every time. If I played power ranger and you got to play every meta class than I guarantee I would win at least 6/8, depending on your skill level 8/8. To me, that would suggest it isn’t power ranger that is strong nor that I’m a good player, but that you lack the ability to stand behind a wall, in a game mode where you can place yourself between the ranger, the wall, and the objective the ranger is trying to get to. That would mean, therefore, that it is a learn to play issue. I heavily encourage you to do so as many people don’t have problems with this class that you complain so much about. You also mention not seeing the ranger. This is again indicative of a learn to play issue, if you do not have the awareness to see a high dps class coming to kill you, then you deserve to die in this dog eat dog world of PvP that we have.

I also find your reasons to nerf ranger unsettling, “I’m bad, I die to ranger yet most people don’t, it makes the game unfun for me, please nerf it because I can’t learn to play”. Thought processes like this are what makes the community become toxic. Take some responsibility and learn to play, please.

You’re talking about dueling…. whats out of control is in conquest mode how much damage they do from so far away so easy. Other zerk classes have a much higher risk for the same reward/effectiveness.

The skill level it takes to play zerk shatter mesmer is much much much much greater then a zerk ranger… rewards are the same.

Yet 0 rangers on top teams? Every team has a thief, and often a mesmer… If ranger is easier and just as effective, why are there no rangers?

Do you read at all? It’s not about being effective, it’s about ranger being easy as hell and still being able to dish out lots damage. No one talks about 1v1’s, couldn’t care less about that. You might not have the experience as a soloquer but lots of us do. You think it’s fun to fight against power rangers who keep camping ledges the whole game without moving? No. Do you think it’s fun to have these players on my team? Hell no. Seriously, the most fun games are without a ranger on any side, but sadly lots people actually do play ranger. Do you know why? Exactly, because it’s that braindead. I really don’t care if rangers are overpowered or not, it’s a dumb build with nothing to offer. Most players playing ranger are so bad, they will waste their most important skills on blind, backpaddle from you while shooting you with LB with no distance, never bother press the kitten F when a teammate is down, never rotate. I’ve met only a few good rangers that I was actually happy to have on my team while I’ve met hundreds that I wish I never met.

If you want to play a build that requires no skill, go on, but I would much rather if they actually rework this class and make it viable AND skillful to play. But then again, half of the people crying here about rangers being too weak would cry it’s too hard.

And btw there is no valid reason for having a ranger over 1500 either.

Basically this.