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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

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The Suggestion:
I suggest making Heart of The Mists a cross-server map; if we are completely separating PvE and PvP and we can interact with people outside our server in PvP, we should be able to see them all the time.

The Problem:

The current consensus is that barely anyone PvP’s and that a very small fraction of the players regularly PvP. The Heart of the mists is nearly empty on many servers and no other serer (with the exception of Anvil Rock) has a major PvP population residing in Heart of the mists.

The lack of players in HOM means that many people refrain from entering it because no one else is there; there is no one there to spark conversation with, get instructions, advice, or any kind of help. This issue is significantly effecting our PvP population.

New players and players who havn’t discovered PvP yet are actively turned away from it. If a new player stumbles upon HOM and comes to find it a ghost town, they’d pass it off as unimportant because no one does it and go on with their life, possibly missing out on some great experiences.

The PvP community is stagnating; people are leaving because the meta is changing dramatically slow which is boring. This is because there is very little conversation about the game outside of the forums (which not many people use). There are not enough people to discuss the game with meaning that there are not as many “game-changing” metas being discussed.

Currently it is quite difficult to meet people through PvP because as soon as a game ends or someone leaves, they return to their own server’s heart of the mists. There are not many teams because you can’t really get to meet other skilled players when you’re not killing each other.

The Result:

If a new player stumbles upon HOM and finds it a great hub for skilled players and newbies alike to hang out while they wait for Q’s, discuss strategies, and just dance around, they would be more inclined to stay and see what the big commotion is about (See Lion’s Arch Effect).

There would be more teams made because it is much more easier to network and connect with skilled players.

It would be easier to pick out important names in the PvP scene; if you see someone in Heart of the Mists a lot, you’d be able to assume that they PvP a lot. Tournaments and teams will be much easier to co-ordinate which would be beneficial to our E-Sports goal.

Introduces more people to the PvP community and will give PvP a much needed supplemental number boost. More communication between players means more people working together to change the meta to something more playable.

An active PvP community makes the game look better to people who don’t play the game.

(IT IS NOT ONLY A-NETS GOAL TO DEVELOP THIS GAME INTO E-SPOT MATERIAL, BUT IT SHOULD ALSO BE OURS BECAUSE IT IS A GAME WE ALL LOVE!)

TL/DR:
No strong PvP community means.

Potential new players are being turned away from PvP.
Stagnating Meta
Lack of active teams
New builds, strats not being discovered
PvP players are leaving because of above reasons which hurts the PvP community even more.
Make HOM a cross-server map so that there can be more people in HOM at the same time to help develop the games PvP community.

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Posted by: Parisalchuk.9230

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Pretty solid idea if you ask me. Single Heart of the Mists with overflows.

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Posted by: Nettle.9025

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I’ve thought this for months, and actually transferred to AR right before free transfers ended to get into an active mists. I would be totally ok with this happening.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

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Thanks for the support guys,
I seriously believe that this would be a massive change which would drastically improve the PvP State of The Game

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Posted by: Zog.3954

Zog.3954

I would prefer the 3 weekly wvw servers to have the same spvp.

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Posted by: Parisalchuk.9230

Parisalchuk.9230

I would prefer the 3 weekly wvw servers to have the same spvp.

Still along the same premise – Condense the player population to help boost team making which will in turn boost population.

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Posted by: Lumpy.8760

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can always guest to anvil rock

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Posted by: Infectious.4836

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Or they could at least split solo and team que.

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Posted by: Parisalchuk.9230

Parisalchuk.9230

Or they could at least split solo and team que.

While that is a valid qualm, that really doesnt have anything to do with this suggestion. The heart of this is that people want to team up, they dont always want to play solo even if they will be playing against other solos. With the player base so fractured between servers that is needlesly hindered.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

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Or they could at least split solo and team que.

That is another problem which needs to be fixed; but merging all of the servers in HOM would be an easy fix to many other problems which we seem to be facing.

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Posted by: leungclj.4915

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I remember back in GW1, everyone meets in International Server~

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Posted by: Stealth.9324

Stealth.9324

It would be a nice feature if we can implement it. I want to meet some good EU Eles but too bad I am in NA..I hate that so much.

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Posted by: Rastaman.9015

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Almost every mmo I have ever played had a map where all the races/servers could meet up. Why GW2 doesn’t have one? I don’t know. But it’s kinda standard for mmo’s to have one. Mmo without a commons is like a pie with no sugar, It still is what it is just not quite right.

I’m with you on this one!

EDIT: I wrote this knowing that Lions Arch is more or less a commons, but not big enough imo. I don’t know all the details like how many people can fit in a map at once and stuff like that but if wvw can fit about 2-300 people. Then I say HoM should be redone.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

It would be a nice feature if we can implement it. I want to meet some good EU Eles but too bad I am in NA..I hate that so much.

It would be nice to meet people from NA to EU, but I think the first step would be to merge the Continental servers at first!

P.S: I have 1.8k hours logged on my Elementalist: I’m not too good, but I’d love to meet up with you!

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Posted by: rmBossa.4621

rmBossa.4621

I agree with this suggestion and its reasoning! Have even thought this very same thing before.

Tho the idea to join the mists of each WvW bracket could actually lead to negative consequences of a troll trash talking zone, since the brackets them selves have nothing to do with Spvp it would be confusing.

Would be better to just have all the mists joined, if it gets to be too big Anet already has culling and overflow mechanics in game to rely on.

Let the Spvp community be together Anet, bring down this wall!

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Posted by: Stealth.9324

Stealth.9324

It would be a nice feature if we can implement it. I want to meet some good EU Eles but too bad I am in NA..I hate that so much.

It would be nice to meet people from NA to EU, but I think the first step would be to merge the Continental servers at first!

P.S: I have 1.8k hours logged on my Elementalist: I’m not too good, but I’d love to meet up with you!

I think all continental would be able to duel in hotm as long as we are on the same region, Eu or NA.Say for example, I am in NA FOrt Aspenwood and you are NA Kaineng, we can stir meet up and duel in HOTM.Same for me as well

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

I think all continental would be able to duel in hotm as long as we are on the same region, Eu or NA.Say for example, I am in NA FOrt Aspenwood and you are NA Kaineng, we can stir meet up and duel in HOTM.Same for me as well

That’s exactly what I meant!

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Posted by: Stealth.9324

Stealth.9324

And we are able to do that already You can try my. pm me in game and we can have a fun match

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Posted by: Eurantien.4632

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There are no words to describe the map chat that would occur…

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Posted by: BonzerSkate.6275

BonzerSkate.6275

I totally agree.

And dueling servers are cool, but how hard can it be to code dueling outside of matches? Idk how many hours I’ve spent sitting outside of Durotar just dueling people and watching people duel. Yes I played WoW, everyone stone me now, but really it’s a big part of the community.

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Posted by: Empathetic Fighter.2065

Empathetic Fighter.2065

There are no words to describe the map chat that would occur…

implement several districts and a real LFG-Tool instead of this useless thing we have now.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

There are no words to describe the map chat that would occur…

It could be comparable to how LA gets during a busy day or during WvW Reset…
It’s not un-handleable.

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Posted by: Stealth.9324

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I would say map chat should stay at what they are now, visible only to that continent. However, I would love to see you can whisper to a different player in Eu for example, then join in the same PvP server and have a match.

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Posted by: KarlaGrey.5903

KarlaGrey.5903

At OP, indeed. Bring back ‘International District’. By doing so, Anet won’t really need to implement any special lfg tools – the players will simply be lfg-spamming the local/map chat, because everyone will be located mostly in the same place.
And yea, i’d mix in both EU and US populations. It could spur some extra competition, which this game is in a dire need of.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

I would say map chat should stay at what they are now, visible only to that continent. However, I would love to see you can whisper to a different player in Eu for example, then join in the same PvP server and have a match.

I believe that the intentional purpose of this thread is being lost.
My suggestion was to make it so that everyone on an NA server would go to the same Heart of the Mists map or an overflow if the map is full.

Alternatively those on a EU server would go to another Heart of the Mists map; not the same HOM as NA.

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Posted by: Stealth.9324

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I would say map chat should stay at what they are now, visible only to that continent. However, I would love to see you can whisper to a different player in Eu for example, then join in the same PvP server and have a match.

I believe that the intentional purpose of this thread is being lost.
My suggestion was to make it so that everyone on an NA server would go to the same Heart of the Mists map or an overflow if the map is full.

Alternatively those on a EU server would go to another Heart of the Mists map; not the same HOM as NA.

While your idea is great but for doing so,many problem would rise. Here are some of the problem:

1/Lag would occur more often, due to a large amount of players packed in one place. Not to mention some players already have issue with their Net already like me. By doing so, it just adds more frustration to players.

2/ Not enough dummies to practice. More people but the same number of Practice Dummy, will make people hard to test out their build to see their dams. I guess that you also hate other player jump in and kill your dummies while you testing your build.

3/Map chat will be unable to handle with all the context. Each text will be able to see like o.5s before it is filled up with other text. Not to mention if you want to normal chat with your friend, first you won’t be able to see it on your chat due to many chat happened at once. Second your screen will fill up with a whole lot of random Chat bubble everywhere. If u wish to chat in private, we can already doing so by Whispering or Sending Mail.

4/You won’t be able to see your friend character due to the large number of people packed in the same place. We already have Guest Feature for this if u wish to see him in person. I have not tried to Guest in FOTM yet but I think it should work too.

Above are just some quick reason why I think the feature should not be implemented. We can already dueling anyone on different continent already. I am pretty happy with that. What we are lacking of atm is the feature that allows players from NA server compete with players from EU server. It would be awesome if we can have that.

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Posted by: Lazarast.6571

Lazarast.6571

Don’t know what spanish, french and german communitys would think of this.

I think there are several french and german servers, so they could be at one mist, but we, spanish players, we only have one server.

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Posted by: AndrewSX.3794

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I remember back in GW1, everyone meets in International Server~

This.

It’s time for Anet to look back to GW1, because 7 years ago they made some thing better than now, especially in pvp.

Remake the districts system for HotM.

-standard Home Server HotM
-cross server HotM EU and US
-if possible, a International EU+US would be even better (doubt this due to server structure notallowing guesting an grouping in istances across EU/US already)

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Posted by: Neare.9703

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Absolutely think this is a great idea. The one issue that it would create it the competition for people wanting to use the practice dummies and class combatants. But that’s an easy enough fix if you do an instance area for those.

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Posted by: Kwll.1468

Kwll.1468

Good idea but maybe something simpler would be a global lfg pvp channel in addition to your local mists channel plus a proper lfg tool. I think we can all agree how it is now is not good enough.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

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I think that Heart of The Mists took a step back with the portable queuing.

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Posted by: Dirame.8521

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Pretty solid idea if you ask me. Single Heart of the Mists with overflows.

Overflows that are exactly like districts in GW1 so that people can move between them.

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Posted by: Quickfoot Katana.8642

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I’m bumping this until this is implemented.

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Posted by: Empathetic Fighter.2065

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You really think that A-Net is capable of fixing one of these thousand problems? Because you know, … barely one of them got fixed and we are heading towards 2014.

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Posted by: Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046

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And add a 1v1 battle circle in the mists while you are at it!

Saves time finding an empty server and you can directly test builds, theorycraft and simply make a fun little area to spend time with people who are standing around waiting for a queue to pop…

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

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I would say map chat should stay at what they are now, visible only to that continent. However, I would love to see you can whisper to a different player in Eu for example, then join in the same PvP server and have a match.

I believe that the intentional purpose of this thread is being lost.
My suggestion was to make it so that everyone on an NA server would go to the same Heart of the Mists map or an overflow if the map is full.

Alternatively those on a EU server would go to another Heart of the Mists map; not the same HOM as NA.

While your idea is great but for doing so,many problem would rise. Here are some of the problem:

1/Lag would occur more often, due to a large amount of players packed in one place. Not to mention some players already have issue with their Net already like me. By doing so, it just adds more frustration to players.

2/ Not enough dummies to practice. More people but the same number of Practice Dummy, will make people hard to test out their build to see their dams. I guess that you also hate other player jump in and kill your dummies while you testing your build.

3/Map chat will be unable to handle with all the context. Each text will be able to see like o.5s before it is filled up with other text. Not to mention if you want to normal chat with your friend, first you won’t be able to see it on your chat due to many chat happened at once. Second your screen will fill up with a whole lot of random Chat bubble everywhere. If u wish to chat in private, we can already doing so by Whispering or Sending Mail.

4/You won’t be able to see your friend character due to the large number of people packed in the same place. We already have Guest Feature for this if u wish to see him in person. I have not tried to Guest in FOTM yet but I think it should work too.

Above are just some quick reason why I think the feature should not be implemented. We can already dueling anyone on different continent already. I am pretty happy with that. What we are lacking of atm is the feature that allows players from NA server compete with players from EU server. It would be awesome if we can have that.

I believe these issues are a non-issue, mainly because of the kind of community that has formed in Lion’s Arch in all of the servers.

1. Lag is not an issue in LA. There will be just as many people in Heart of the Mists as there are in Lion’s Arch at peak hours and I’ve never had to deal with lag at all. Also even if there is lag people are always able to move out of the laggy area to other sections of the Mists which lag less.

2. This is an issue that I had thought of and I believe that the benefits far outweigh the cons of not having a dummy to train on. It shouldn’t be difficult to introduce a private instance in which people can tests builds. More on that note, there should be better ways to test out builds than the dummies. It will just call to attention the fact that we have a really terrible way to test builds.

3. Lion’s Arch generally doesn’t have this problem. But that’s besides the point; Heart of the Mists is supposed to be a giant hub and gathering point for all aspiring PvPers. The hub should be bustling with people going about doing their own things. Take private messages to whisper/party/all chat.

4. Uhhh…. wut?

I feel that fixing this games PvP comes from the players as much as Anet. Having this few PvPers is stagnating the game and preventing the PvP experience from improving. GW2 PvP requires massive change and this is a step in the right direction because it allows the community to finally come together and interact.

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Posted by: alemfi.5107

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Hey Gasmic!

Just thought I’d say that this is a great idea, and aside from the whole practice dummies stuff (which could be moved to an instance or something, as you mentioned), would definitely be really great for the pvp community I think.

PS. Is GASM still playing anymore? haven’t seen you guys in a while.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

Hey Gasmic!

Just thought I’d say that this is a great idea, and aside from the whole practice dummies stuff (which could be moved to an instance or something, as you mentioned), would definitely be really great for the pvp community I think.

PS. Is GASM still playing anymore? haven’t seen you guys in a while.

Hey Alfem,
Thanks for the support.
I think the practice dummies are just a reminder of how the game lacks proper build testing features. I believe that also needs a massive overhaul but thats for another thread!

Yes, GASM is still playing; a couple of our team has been taking a break because of the meta but I’m always willing to play! Whisper me in-game about it and I’ll be happy to play with you!

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Posted by: Scarlett.1549

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This would be a great change, a superior change. I for one support this idea.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

Could we get anet’s thoughts on this?

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Posted by: Cyhann.2609

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The Mists on my server are full enough, same thing with desolation, if you want to realize this you would have to remake how the mists work, and add a whole lot of testing npcs.

Other than that it might be a good thing.

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Posted by: Justin ODell.9517

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But… but then I won’t have a bunch of fans because I’m one of the only devs on my server!

I would definitely like to see this done, but it requires some back-end server work. If I could only clone myself.

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Posted by: ronpierce.2760

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But… but then I won’t have a bunch of fans because I’m one of the only devs on my server!

I would definitely like to see this done, but it requires some back-end server work. If I could only clone myself.

Should have become a DNA specialist before a programmer, then you’d have been able to do a lot more… :/ Shame, poor time management on your part!

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Posted by: Hype.8032

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I intentionally avoid Lion’s Arch because it brings my machine to a crawl rather than culling things like it used to. My client also seems to crash if I join a spvp match from the world rather than the mists. The mists is a pretty small area, wouldn’t this just bog it down like LA?

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Posted by: Kultas Sunstrider.9218

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I intentionally avoid Lion’s Arch because it brings my machine to a crawl rather than culling things like it used to. My client also seems to crash if I join a spvp match from the world rather than the mists. The mists is a pretty small area, wouldn’t this just bog it down like LA?

haha no, trust me, heart of the mists will still be empty even if they merge all the servers in one

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Posted by: data.4093

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Essentially: More like GW1 random arena/temple of balthazar. Why didn’t they do this before? :\

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Posted by: Valentin.2073

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yeah! i wanna chat with players from other worlds too. i really love chatting. <3

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Posted by: Bhawb.7408

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But… but then I won’t have a bunch of fans because I’m one of the only devs on my server!

I would definitely like to see this done, but it requires some back-end server work. If I could only clone myself.

Just roll a Mesmer real fast, it’ll solve that no-cloning problem.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

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But… but then I won’t have a bunch of fans because I’m one of the only devs on my server!

I would definitely like to see this done, but it requires some back-end server work. If I could only clone myself.

So this could be something we could see in the future?

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Make Heart of The Mists Multi-Server: Massive

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Posted by: Daishi.6027

Daishi.6027

But… but then I won’t have a bunch of fans because I’m one of the only devs on my server!

I would definitely like to see this done, but it requires some back-end server work. If I could only clone myself.

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