Guild Wars 2

When is there finally going to be a change in the matchmaking?

Either make it balanced (no SoloQ’rs vs Premades/Parties!) or bring back Solo Arena if you simply can’t.

It’s been almost 7 months since the PvP Arenas and Matchmaking change. Having 1 PvP patch every half year or every 1 year is simply not going to cut it.

I really want to SoloQ to blow some steam off from doing work or w/e but this matchmaking.. Wow… I’m about to lose my mind here.

Veterans getting punished and beginners to novice/casuals getting stomped on. Both parties in the PvP community is not getting the threatment they should.

The only thing Veterans have is Academy Gaming and ESL to have atleast 1 ‘fair’ match up. But no practice because matchmaking is totally off..

I have this weird feeling they made this change to Arenas to cover up their small PvP Community queue’ing (remember the long queues we sometimes had back in 2012-2013-2014? 20-25mins were no surprise back then but we had decent matches most of the times)

What is your opinion about this, dear community?
Vote here on the Poll, where MULTIPLE CHOICE is activated: http://strawpoll.me/4445203

I feel like you’re putting it way worse than it actually is. The system has its current flaws, of course, but I’ve seen more people trying sPvP out. I also put more hours in sPvP than before. I am not the only one with that opinion, I think Chaith (5g) agrees with that: sPvP is better than before, is fun, and has a “future”. GW2 is the MMORPG with the best PvP game mechanics. I’ve tried Wildstar; I prefered Roleplaying in Wildstar (The PvP there was bad).

You can see my point. I have a wishlist of my own, but I think that we need more players first. 25 minutes queue times would not help with that. What would you do if you were Anet?

Also, I am sure you’ve came across decent matches, just as I did.

Alekt.5803:

What would you do if you were Anet?

Also, I am sure you’ve came across decent matches, just as I did.

• I would bring back SoloQ, to bring back more players since they wont have to play with the thought being outplayed due TeamSpeak of the parties/premades they’re facing

• I would bring back old leaderboard based on MMR like before. When pro-players actually cared about Leaderboard as it reflected closest for skill. Look at it now, no pro players to be seen, I wonder why.. Because they don’t like how it is now and many have confirmed through the PvP section already. The only thing they got is ESL to practice, which is once, twice or max 3 times a week sometimes.

What I’m saying is Anet did good steps to draw more ppl into PvP with the rewarding and all but at the same time, veterans (as myself) are being punished, trying to carry rank Rabbits and tell them standing with 2 or more on a point doesnt cap faster and whatnot..

Yes, I had good matches, ofcourse. But mostly bad ones, blowouts.. Sometimes facing full premade ESL team, sometimes facing Rabbits, wolves, and dollyaks. I don’t want that because it’s definitily not fun for both.

I get less 4v5s with this system than with the previous one though.

Jelzouki.4128:

I get less 4v5s with this system than with the previous one though.

Has nothing to do with Solo Arena nor matchmaking.
You’re talking about the queue’ing mechanics, which I agree is much better now.

bring solo queue back

Terrorsquad.2349:

• I would bring back SoloQ, to bring back more players since they wont have to play with the thought being outplayed due TeamSpeak of the parties/premades they’re facing

• I would bring back old leaderboard based on MMR like before. When pro-players actually cared about Leaderboard as it reflected closest for skill. Look at it now, no pro players to be seen, I wonder why.. Because they don’t like how it is now and many have confirmed through the PvP section already. The only thing they got is ESL to practice, which is once, twice or max 3 times a week sometimes.

Bringing back old leaderboard is in my wishlist. I find it awful how starting late in that season doomed me to a low position. It took me twenty games before fighting against the first pages of the leaderboard.
How is it possible then to climb if you’re facing against the theoretical “best players” the system can give you? Did they expect me to climb? With 90 ish points, I was 500 points away from rank 1, and I would see those players continuously fighting as “equals”. Why do I not deserve the same ranking as them if I play with them and win?

I hate the point earning Leaderboard system.

For the Solo Queue, I just hate to fight premades.

I think that Anet should reconsider both decisions here. Something tells me they already did and they got something planned. Also, I think that Anet should know that they look like a poor company when they wait so long in-between balance patches. They could’ve added Sinister Amulet already. They could have told us plans about PvP Amulet Changes (That will be needed with the removal of Trait Stats). There is a ton of WvW roamers or duelists who dislike the lack of Stat diversity from the sPvP; the common use of Celestial Ammy is a symptom of that.

Alekt.5803:

Bringing back old leaderboard is in my wishlist. I find it awful how starting late in that season doomed me to a low position. It took me twenty games before fighting against the first pages of the leaderboard.
How is it possible then to climb if you’re facing against the theoretical “best players” the system can give you? Did they expect me to climb? With 90 ish points, I was 500 points away from rank 1, and I would see those players continuously fighting as “equals”. Why do I not deserve the same ranking as them if I play with them and win?

I hate the point earning Leaderboard system.

It’s not that the point earing system is the problem. The problem is that such system doesn’t work if there are no leagues. It just simply takes too long to farm those points.

Also you get not enough points for winning against players that are better than you (with their MMR) and you just don’t lose enough points if you lose against players that are way below your own MMR.

The leaderboards can’t flactuate enough like that.

If we look how league of legends is handling things, you can see that you can earn up to 36 points for a win if your rating is way below your opponent, but you can also lose a bunch (like 26 or sth like that).

Also you have leagues so you don’t have to farm your way up that much.

Matchmaking relies to heavily on rank rather than skill. I am terrible but I go for APs so I have lots of games and a high rank. I only see Phoenix and Dragon ranks now but really should be playing Deer level. I typically play 2 hours and end up about 2-8 WLR.

Matchmaking working as intented? I think not
Full premade top players

Thank you

Terrorsquad.2349:

20-25mins were no surprise back then

Yep, you got it. Nobody played in soloq when we had the choice. I don’t know why you are so nostalgic. The overall level has increased in soloq (facing partial premades has forced even the more reluctant to rotate a bit). Every decent player played in teamq because of how awful the queue times and rotations in soloq were.

I agree with you on the LB part, but your poll is a joke. Your questions are heavily biased. You are not helping your case at all.

Let me give you guys an Idea, a solution to Anet rather than just stating a problem. We want a visual difference rather than an invisible algorithm. I’ll post my link so you guys can take a look. A more in depth solution, but very simple.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Helping-GW2-create-succesful-competitive-PvP/first#post5098666

Sorel.4870:

Terrorsquad.2349:

20-25mins were no surprise back then

Your questions are heavily biased.

I did that on purpose because we both know what’s better for the community

Terrorsquad.2349:

Sorel.4870:

Terrorsquad.2349:

20-25mins were no surprise back then

Your questions are heavily biased.

I did that on purpose because we both know what’s better for the community

Why a straw poll and not another rant thread then, Stalin? Wait, you did both.

Sorel.4870:

Terrorsquad.2349:

Sorel.4870:

Terrorsquad.2349:

20-25mins were no surprise back then

Your questions are heavily biased.

I did that on purpose because we both know what’s better for the community

Why a straw poll and not another rant thread then, Stalin? Wait, you did both.

To make a TL;DR, Emperor Hirohito.

Matchmaking seems to start behaving badly once you go on a winning streak of more than 4-5 matches. That’s when suddenly the game decides to put a bunch of <1000 AP people on your team who are clearly playing their first PvP match and pit you against a full guild premade.

Suddenly the already high “annoying BS” levels jump through the roof. Brilliant.

Sorel.4870:

Terrorsquad.2349:

20-25mins were no surprise back then

Yep, you got it. Nobody played in soloq when we had the choice. I don’t know why you are so nostalgic. The overall level has increased in soloq (facing partial premades has forced even the more reluctant to rotate a bit). Every decent player played in teamq because of how awful the queue times and rotations in soloq were.

I agree with you on the LB part, but your poll is a joke. Your questions are heavily biased. You are not helping your case at all.

Nobody played in solo queue? I stopped reading right after that. You are wrong.

Spirigo.2897:

Matchmaking seems to start behaving badly once you go on a winning streak of more than 4-5 matches. That’s when suddenly the game decides to put a bunch of <1000 AP people on your team who are clearly playing their first PvP match and pit you against a full guild premade.

Suddenly the already high “annoying BS” levels jump through the roof. Brilliant.

So wait, this happens to other people?

Whenever I go on long winning streaks or go on a streak of really well played matches I eventually end up in some sort of purgatory where I go on a long streak of losing in really bad lopsided games. My losing streaks are usually filled with players that are completely lost. I don’t understand why this happens but it happens with dependable regularity.

I know a dev posted on these forums stating that the PVP algorithm was unfair, so I’m not sure why they’re still moving forward with it.

- wtb soloq back
- wtb duo q like in league
- wtb teamq separated from soloq and it having actually good rewards so people are motivated to do it~

Almost every comment in this thread is full of incorrect information and bad statements based on opinion, rather than fact.

Here are a few facts:

• 5 man premade MMR algorithm works great ~ very balanced actually
• Solo que MMR algorithm is terrible and not a single person is happy with it
• Why? 100s of reasons that I cannot list here, there is just too much

My Speculations/Opinions:

→ https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/High-MMR-is-punished-for-solo-que/first

I may get seriously flamed for this, but I have only once had problems with premade teams in unranked sPvP. In this case, it was an engi and a thief who went around the map in perfect coordination (on Skype, most likely) chasing me. Literally. Me. All kittening game.

I could handle all three of their team mates long enough for the rest of my team to cap points, but this engi and thief would chase me down between points and burst from stealth. Then they would camp around the respawn. I would have to wait for someone else to die in order to be able to get back out onto the map.

Those kitteners can burn in my feces. If I’ve encountered any other premade teams before, I haven’t noticed. And I play plenty of sPvP.

I didn’t vote because it was kind of a trick question.

Separating solo and team pvp:
I didn’t vote for this because I rather spend my vote on a better leaderboard in general.
Also, soloQ leaderboard was worthless on all accounts.

The MMR based leaderboard:
Didn’t vote for this because old leaderboard had some serious faults. There’s going to have to be some huge changes for me to want it back. I rather they continue to revise the current leaderboard’s algorithm than have that leaderboard. I do want it back if they fix its faults because in all honesty, it can prove to be a really competitive and balanced leaderboard.

Terrorsquad.2349:

To make a TL;DR, Emperor Hirohito.

Ok, now I HAVE to change one of my character’s name to “Emperor Hirohito”. No name-stealerino plz.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Almost every comment in this thread is full of incorrect information and bad statements based on opinion, rather than fact.

Here are a few facts:

• 5 man premade MMR algorithm works great ~ very balanced actually
• Solo que MMR algorithm is terrible and not a single person is happy with it
• Why? 100s of reasons that I cannot list here, there is just too much

My Speculations/Opinions:

-> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/High-MMR-is-punished-for-solo-que/first

• I think you must be lucky facing premades then. If the one gets good matchups vs premades and the other one don’t, it’s not balanced still
• Agree, Soloq’ing is a pain atm. I still would vote for Solo Arena so ppl can stop thinking about losing to “premades” and instead just get better on rotations. I think one of the things that’s broken is the high difference between players in one team, as one of the Dev’s mentioned couple of days ago. Best player of team has MMR 10 and the rest will be much lower. So skilled ppl are punished and beginners getting stomped on and/or getting carried hard (which should NOT be the case if you want them to get better)