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but did you beat them in the previous match?

around 4+ hours ago, i had 2 matches, both matches, the other team had a 2-man combo. i queued solo.

first match, our team lost but we scored 440+ so i got +1 ladder points for that.

2nd match, our team won 500 vs 300+ them, so that’s another +1 ladder points.

Justin for president

with the two weird kitten norn mesmers? >:D

Justin ODell.9517:

We’ve got something coming down the pipe that should improve these sort of scenarios. Details soon.

Wasn’t this what the whole pvp revamp was supposed to do? Why do we have to wait for another revamp to fix the problems with this revamp?

Teams must have games even if mostly low level soloers are in the queue. It’s the law. Soloers are strongly “encouraged” to form teams and get Teamspeak.

Solo Q does not form teams needed for ESports. I believe this is the word from the head office.

Lopez.7369:

E-sports are never going to happen if the game scares away casual players who are needed to create critical mass.

This discussion already happened two years ago. It’s what makes this so frustrating. I thought this issue was settled. The PvP matchmaking revamp actually took this game two years back.

I agree but I think this may be a decision handed down from management above the PvP team. Just surmising.

Justin ODell.9517:

Becka Williams.4978:

Wasn’t this what the whole pvp revamp was supposed to do? Why do we have to wait for another revamp to fix the problems with this revamp?

We’re like to iterate and continue to improve. Something we can do much faster with the back-end servers.

So, all we have to do is endure crappy matchmaking till you get around to fixing it? Fun.

I just leave this here

Solo in ranked que ofc…thanks god you solved class stacking problems at least ._.

Becka Williams.4978:

Justin ODell.9517:

Becka Williams.4978:

Wasn’t this what the whole pvp revamp was supposed to do? Why do we have to wait for another revamp to fix the problems with this revamp?

We’re like to iterate and continue to improve. Something we can do much faster with the back-end servers.

So, all we have to do is endure crappy matchmaking till you get around to fixing it? Fun.

Well, they did say this is all a test season to iron out bugs.

We’re all guinea pigs here.

Man, I love having my fun ruined so they can iron out bugs. Best thing ever. And if it’s still got bugs, why was dishonor turned on, even if temporarily? Either it’s ready to go, or it’s not.

Archaon.9524:

I just leave this here

Solo in ranked que ofc

I think the matchmaking algorithm values MMR much more than classes. Because of the new daily system (today’s being getting a win with Mesmers/Warriors), there are a lot more people playing those classes. I can understand why the matchmaking system is allowing this to happen. xD

Lotus.1682:

Archaon.9524:

I just leave this here

Solo in ranked que ofc

I think the matchmaking algorithm values MMR much more than classes. Because of the new daily system (today’s being getting a win with Mesmers/Warriors), there are a lot more people playing those classes. I can understand why the matchmaking system is allowing this to happen. xD

I didn’t even know there was a daily something (I don’t give a single kitten to pve crap) but it’s good to know…so you can just que up with hardcounters then. Let’s wait for engi’s day and everyone going necro lel

Sometimes. I like to think of me as a little 4 y/o on Christmas.

And I just wish to the Santa Claus. Please. Please let my team mates know how to rotate. That’s all I ask for.

But alas, no one has a kittening clue.

Just bring back seperate Queue’s kitten …

1 for 5v5’s. must have a full team to queue.
And 1 for soloQ AND duoQ,

This merging buisness is just silly, sure tehres more players, but id rather wait 10minutes between every match and have it be fun, enjoyable, and challenging.

Than wait for 30-120seconds, and get a blowout match 4/5 games. because im on a team with 2 people queuing together, and 3 randoms. against a 5man party with coms.

now i don’t care wetehr we loose, or win in such a scenario – it’s NOT FUN.

@Xista; your attitude is just ugly and I suspect you of delusions of grandeur

I have to agree, I have lost something like a dozen in a row tonight. Players moaning that I’m a burden and should go back to pve. So PvP is toxic for me tonight on two counts, spending 3ish hours without a single win and listening to my fellow players whine.

While I admit not being a top shelf competitor, I am Shark rank.. so am not a noob. I’ve been badly overmatched all night.

It seems that I’m in pug v. team scenarios often as well. It may simply be that I keep getting matched against much higher level players.

If it’s ANET’s goal to discourage PvP.. I’d say the matching system is on the right track.

I think that huge part for this chaos matchmaking is responsible dividing MMR to each character slot individually. I don’t know how they did it, did they just allocated account MMR to your main character(most played games for example) and others characters got 0 MMR?
People that play multiple characters will likely be very hard affected by this change. And this is just mistake, people with multiple characters will need huge amount of time to achive same mmr on every character. By the way, not only class skill matter, what makes you good player is also how you think while playing and this is universal value for that reason you should have to “farm” mmr on every character from 0, this is just stupid idea.

This move shows that, game huge problem is balance. That is why current meta is celestial ele/ele/engi/engi. But blocking class change isn’t solution, solution is oposit of this. Make it team fortres style, you can change to any character while respawning. People will ballance match by yourself through changing to counter builds. Or at least give us ability to change skills while respawning.

I just lost points instead of gaining for two straight wins. Good job on the new system.

As a solo player of rank bear i keep getting matched against (not with) guild teams that are almost all (if not all) dragon rank!

I have no problem facing dragon players but if you are going to match me against entire teams of dragons, match me with a team of dragons as well. Instead you put together whatever is available at the time against teams like that for a sure loss.

Having the same experiences as OP. Just lost a game to either a 4 man or 2 2 man groups while with all solos. Lost multiple games last night in similar scenarios. It’s frustrating enough for me to not want to keep giving this many more chances.

About points, i have again doubts about how algorithm works. I won 2 games with friend. In those 2 games he earned more points than i did… Please check that algorithm again. Or again someone is messing up in point tables ? If so, please start working as a one team, because puting to live ladderboard when some of you AN developers didn’t know about it, doesn’t speak well. (i’m talking about pre beta phase for clarification).

(i just realized that during all matches i could disconnected for a while which could result in -3pt)

Roe.3679:

Having the same experiences as OP. Just lost a game to either a 4 man or 2 2 man groups while with all solos. Lost multiple games last night in similar scenarios. It’s frustrating enough for me to not want to keep giving this many more chances.

You have lost games because of half premades.
I’ve lost games having such a noob premades on my team.
I really would like to have only solo pvpers while i do solo queue.

From my experience it seems like half premades are made off amateur pvpers, that’s why they “need to gather up”. Dedicated pvpers do it solo or in full teams.

Still, even amateurs, they have slight advantage being in a party, over these soloq people.

People dont complain at anet or justin, i love that they are doing this beta thing to get opinons from the community. You cant expect perfect matchmaking from a beta test, also in a game with a low pvp playerbase. Keep it up Justin!

Abaddon.2105:

Roe.3679:

Having the same experiences as OP. Just lost a game to either a 4 man or 2 2 man groups while with all solos. Lost multiple games last night in similar scenarios. It’s frustrating enough for me to not want to keep giving this many more chances.

You have lost games because of half premades.
I’ve lost games having such a noob premades on my team.
I really would like to have only solo pvpers while i do solo queue.

From my experience it seems like half premades are made off amateur pvpers, that’s why they “need to gather up”. Dedicated pvpers do it solo or in full teams.

Still, even amateurs, they have slight advantage being in a party, over these soloq people.

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that real pvpers are either alone or solo.

The groups I faced in the last 24 hours included individuals at the top of the leaderboard, as well as members of some of the top few teams in NA. Then, to the OP’s point, I am matched with players on my team running things like all signet necro, people who were literally lost near the tranq buff in temple (minutes before the buff was there), people triple capping points, and other mistakes I won’t bother to describe but we’re quite bad all in ranked queue.

Every time I see it being “Team Roe” I’m super concerned, especially when I can tell that the other team has groups and mine does not.

Archaon.9524:

I just leave this here

Solo in ranked que ofc…thanks god you solved class stacking problems at least ._.

I noticed that too yesterday except with warriors.
They need to change that daily to play a hotjoin as class x and win. Not just plain and simple win at any gamemode because they will go to ranked game and mess it all up. If you want people to play a ranked game just say play a ranked game and win.

The new match making is a joke, and I’m considering taking a break until this is fixed up.

Pre-patch, my team was decent. The enemy team was decent. Good players all around. They could fight, they could usually rotate decently. They’d even communicate. You even got to know some of them.

Pre-patch, leaderboards sucked. They were based on some level of MMR+decay. But at least many of the people near the top of the leaderboards you knew were, at the very least, decent players. I could take a couple week break from the game, drop in the leaderboards, win a few solo Qs, and get top 150-100 easily.

Now? I’ve solo Q’d maybe half a dozen times. Legitimately 80% of my matches have been me on a team with people that lost fights constantly. I can win 1v1s, 1v2s, and be the last one standing in group fights. But it tends to not help more often than not. I Not to mention I’m lucky if they have any grasp on the concept of rotations.

And the leaderboards now? I thought they meant next to nothing before. But now it’s nothing more than a blatant, skillless grind-fest. Hilarious, sad, worrisome, and frustrating.

Like a lot of people I’ve seen complain recently, I feel like I’m being matched up with people far under my skill level; newbies to PvP, perhaps. You want to know what makes it worse? These 80% of the matches I’m talking about here. Every. Single. Time. We go up against a premade. Some random team I’ve barely heard of usually, but still a 5-man premade.

What is going on? Do I just need to keep playing until some level of MMR matches up with some new variable in the equation? Are matches destined to be this bad forever? Why?

This isn’t fun anymore. WvW roaming has been dead for a long time, and all that I’ve been left with, with my minimal time, is the occasional solo Q and very occasional team Q. But this? Ugh.

Anet can you just mail me in game that I should quit pvp for good and give up on getting better in general? Because most of my “teammates” (Enemies on my team) do not know how to rotate, when to rotate, how to capture nodes, or even hold against 1v1s. It is absolutely trash that I just can’t play anymore. If i win, its because other teams have really inexperienced people who just started playing pvp. Decent match? out of many ranks matches I can count 1 or 2 even ones that made me feel good regardless of winning/losing.

In fact just be honest and tell majority of the playerbase to not play pvp anymore because this is just atrocious. So if I win a game, on next match I have to carry 3~4 inexperienced players who die to every single encounter or refuse to capture nodes?
BTW your matchmaking is also no help at all. Just check this out. A full, high rank MMR team against solo Qers. Very fair, considerate and well made.

I’m quitting pvp for now until this issue will get resolved, but I doubt it. I guess this is what I get for trying to play GW2 pvp.

TimeBomb.3427:

The new match making is a joke, and I’m considering taking a break until this is fixed up.

Pre-patch, my team was decent. The enemy team was decent. Good players all around. They could fight, they could usually rotate decently. They’d even communicate. You even got to know some of them.

Pre-patch, leaderboards sucked. They were based on some level of MMR+decay. But at least many of the people near the top of the leaderboards you knew were, at the very least, decent players. I could take a couple week break from the game, drop in the leaderboards, win a few solo Qs, and get top 150-100 easily.

Now? I’ve solo Q’d maybe half a dozen times. Legitimately 80% of my matches have been me on a team with people that lost fights constantly. I can win 1v1s, 1v2s, and be the last one standing in group fights. But it tends to not help more often than not. I Not to mention I’m lucky if they have any grasp on the concept of rotations.

And the leaderboards now? I thought they meant next to nothing before. But now it’s nothing more than a blatant, skillless grind-fest. Hilarious, sad, worrisome, and frustrating.

Like a lot of people I’ve seen complain recently, I feel like I’m being matched up with people far under my skill level; newbies to PvP, perhaps. You want to know what makes it worse? These 80% of the matches I’m talking about here. Every. Single. Time. We go up against a premade. Some random team I’ve barely heard of usually, but still a 5-man premade.

What is going on? Do I just need to keep playing until some level of MMR matches up with some new variable in the equation? Are matches destined to be this bad forever? Why?

This isn’t fun anymore. WvW roaming has been dead for a long time, and all that I’ve been left with, with my minimal time, is the occasional solo Q and very occasional team Q. But this? Ugh.

Summed up perfectly. The issue MAINLY too large of a skill gap between players in the same game. Other than that the solo vs premade is also an issue but less serious.

It is a shame really. I don’t think they can fix it because longer queue times are unpractical because now you can’t leave heart of the mists OR your computer whilst waiting for a queue pop. I think pvp is dead forever.

The single biggest factor is the presence of a team, end of story. I see the same players solo and in teams getting stomped and doing the stomping respectively.

It’s not like their talent suddenly improves when they are teamed up. It’s really bad right now and it gives the premades a false impression of their own competence while at the same time denying then true competition.

The teams are not composed of better players. They should merely be matched against other teams who also have communication at their disposal and not have the built in trump card of facing solos that more than makes up for individual skill deficiencies.

Every team with 3 or more players should have to face a similar composition, then it’s a dice roll on which side gets the better solos or duo. Pure solo + duo teams should never be paired against an opposing team that includes a team of 3 or more, never.

@ Flyphish.6398

so basically, matches should be like this eh?

group 1: 1 1 1 1 1 vs 1 1 1 1 1

group 2: 1 1 1 2 vs 2 1 1 1

group 3: 1 2 2 vs 2 2 1

group 4: 3 2 vs 2 3

group 5: 4 1 vs 4 1

group 6: 5 vs 5

but, if it is strictly like that, then the queue times would be …. very long?

Flyphish.6398:

The single biggest factor is the presence of a team, end of story. I see the same players solo and in teams getting stomped and doing the stomping respectively.

It’s not like their talent suddenly improves when they are teamed up. It’s really bad right now and it gives the premades a false impression of their own competence while at the same time denying then true competition.

The teams are not composed of better players. They should merely be matched against other teams who also have communication at their disposal and not have the built in trump card of facing solos that more than makes up for individual skill deficiencies.

Every team with 3 or more players should have to face a similar composition, then it’s a dice roll on which side gets the better solos or duo. Pure solo + duo teams should never be paired against an opposing team that includes a team of 3 or more, never.

I would rather play with other good players in a queue against a decent premade than be forced into a solo queue only game where I am playing with total noname pve ers. That is the point. Yes premade vs solo queue sucks but what sucks more is getting paired with people who are really bad.

The difference is skill level within a game is too large and it means no challenge.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

@ Flyphish.6398

so basically, matches should be like this eh?

group 1: 1 1 1 1 1 vs 1 1 1 1 1

group 2: 1 1 1 2 vs 2 1 1 1

group 3: 1 2 2 vs 2 2 1

group 4: 3 2 vs 2 3

group 5: 4 1 vs 4 1

group 6: 5 vs 5

but, if it is strictly like that, then the queue times would be …. very long?

Yes, that is how I see it, with the addition of the other possible combinations to improve queues:

1 1 1 1 1 v 2 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 v 2 2 1*
2 1 1 1 v 2 2 1
3 1 1 v 3 1 1
4 1 v 3 2
4 1 v 3 1 1
5 v 3 1 1*
5 v 3 2
5 v 4 1

The marked scenarios may be too imbalanced Yes, queue times would increase, match quality would also increase. Right now the situation is untenable, something needs to change.

@ Lopez.7369
why 1 1 1 1 1 vs 3 2 ?
errr i dunno. could it be due to MMR reasons? i.e. the team of 1 1 1 1 1 have better MMR than the 2 3 team?

but yeah, like what you said, the teams should be 1 1 3 vs 1 1 1 2 instead right?

@ Flyphish.6398
aye hmmm but instead we are getting 1 1 1 1 1 vs 5 as many people claims to be at the moment. -_-

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

@ Lopez.7369
why 1 1 1 1 1 vs 3 2 ?
errr i dunno. could it be due to MMR reasons? i.e. the team of 1 1 1 1 1 have better MMR than the 2 3 team?

but yeah, like what you said, the teams should be 1 1 3 vs 1 1 1 2 instead right?

@ Flyphish.6398
aye hmmm but instead we are getting 1 1 1 1 1 vs 5 as many people claims to be at the moment. -_-

It may seem like 1 1 1 1 1 v 5 when the stomp is on, however 4 1 v 1 1 1 2, 4 1 v 1 1 1 1 1 and 3 2 v 1 1 1 1 1 can be nearly as painful and it seems like a full 5 man premade when in fact it may be not. However the result is often the same 500 to less than 200 final score.

Imho Compatible rostersize

5 always against 5
1-1-1-1-1 vs 1-1-1-1-1 or 1-1-1-2
3-1-1 vs 3-1-1 or 3-2 or 2-2-1
4-1 vs 4-1 or 3-2

Flyphish.6398:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

@ Lopez.7369
why 1 1 1 1 1 vs 3 2 ?
errr i dunno. could it be due to MMR reasons? i.e. the team of 1 1 1 1 1 have better MMR than the 2 3 team?

but yeah, like what you said, the teams should be 1 1 3 vs 1 1 1 2 instead right?

@ Flyphish.6398
aye hmmm but instead we are getting 1 1 1 1 1 vs 5 as many people claims to be at the moment. -_-

It may seem like 1 1 1 1 1 v 5 when the stomp is on, however 4 1 v 1 1 1 2, 4 1 v 1 1 1 1 1 and 3 2 v 1 1 1 1 1 can be nearly as painful and it seems like a full 5 man premade when in fact it may be not. However the result is often the same 500 to less than 200 final score.

aye, it may strongly felt that way when one is being brutally steam rolled by the other team. especially when the losing team is unable to win any even team fights 2 v 2, 3 v 3 etc, getting killed very quickly at every possible skirmish.

this happens very easily when a full glass team versus a full balanced sustain team.
the balanced sustain team will easily kill off all the glass members.
then it escalates very quickly.

MarkPhilips.5169:

Imho Compatible rostersize

5 always against 5
1-1-1-1-1 vs 1-1-1-1-1 or 1-1-1-2
3-1-1 vs 3-1-1 or 3-2 or 2-2-1
4-1 vs 4-1 or 3-2

this sounds reasonable.

IT ALOT worst. At least for ranked and unranked solo q.

It was not bad at the start, lot of good matches, but now the ppls are staying far from pvp and like 75% of my matches are against high rank teams, playing with a friend atm but it’s not like two persons can win against five coordenated when your team is from most low MMR rank. It’s not a exclusive problem, as i can see most of the solo or duo players are facing more defeats now.

It’s becoming stressful to play sPvP again, if it was at least 2 1 1 1 v 3 2 of same MMR rank it would not be a problem, don’t care to lose some matches but to have my butt kicked against 5 high ranked MMR players most of the times, hm no.

Had so far 4 fights against 3 engis (and multiple others with 3 of the same profession) and none on my team. Rest of my team were single different professions. That’s totally balanced.

Irikami.6270:

It was not bad at the start, lot of good matches, but now the ppls are staying far from pvp and like 75% of my matches are against high rank teams, playing with a friend atm but it’s not like two persons can win against five coordenated when your team is from most low MMR rank. It’s not a exclusive problem, as i can see most of the solo or duo players are facing more defeats now.
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My experience has been about the same solo joining in Unranked. Before the 12/16 update, I had about a 70% win rate solo in Unranked, now I’m struggling to maintain 50%, and that’s generous.

AshinDreidon.3861:

My experience has been about the same solo joining in Unranked. Before the 12/16 update, I had about a 70% win rate solo in Unranked, now I’m struggling to maintain 50%, and that’s generous.

At the rate I’m going, I’m going to be under 30%. Thankfully I don’t care too much regarding overall stats, but I’d at least like to look somewhat competent. Here’s some of my favorites.

The majority of the complaints from these threads are solo players. The changes that the devs are implementing are mainly effecting that group. At this point it’s safe to say that solo queue matchmaking is non existent and steadily getting worse.
Unless you’re on an actual team, bad solo queu matchmaking is going to be here for awhile. Especially the daily, class specific rewards being allowed in team ranked pvp.

Still getting full solo teams vs full premades, and as if that wasn’t enough - full solo teams with not a single class capable of fighting on a point, vs a full premade abusing celestial might stacking. Strictly speaking, it was 2 lights+3 mediums (2 ele, 2 engi, 1 ranger) vs 3 lights+2mediums (2 mesmer, 1 necro, 1 thief, 1 ranger). But that’s not enough to consider to make it balanced, because elementalists can fight on points, mesmers can’t really, engineers often fight on points, and thieves almost always run berserker which can almost never can fight on a point.

Typing this another queue pop. Of course, another full solo group vs a full premade, and two of the guys on my team also complained of a full solo vs premade for their last match. It was alright while the leader boards were broken tbh. If that’s any indication, just turn the bloody thing back off. Cheesy premades won’t ruin the solo queuer’s time since they won’t care about PvPing? And leader board complains will cease because they won’t be broken - they just won’t exist. Win-win.

Needs more time to settle, might need to reduce the priority of queue pop though (atm its desperate to pop and so matches a lot of soloq with teamq groups) and I think something needs to reduce the value of just playing a game. Need to let it run its course though guys – not enough data for good matches yet.

Matchmaking doesn’t seem improved because it’s simply not.

ok never played GW2 for almost 1month and i tried SOLO Q (ranked) twice and we faced same team 2 d/d ele and 2cele engies and 1 thief and they seemed really organised they’re probably using vent/teamspeak or whatever. and i didnt try for 3rd cuz i know what will be the result

Justin ODell.9517:

Tellerion.8102:

Matchmaking doesn’t seem improved because it’s simply not.

Come on guys. I’m still working on improving it based on real data. Help me out and give me specifics. Don’t make generalized statements like this unless you’ve got something to back them up.

We can improve things, we just need to work together.

Almost every single game I have played has been a complete wipe for either myself or the enemy team since the new system went live. The player skill level is so unevenly distributed. I also frequently end up in teams with 2+ mesmers versus 2+ thieves. Premades are now the norm for pub stomping and leaderboard farming.