Guild Wars 2

First, if anyone cares, I posted something on this topic about a year ago. I was at the time QUITE fed up w/ getting trashed by mesmers. Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485

BUT Now, all those detractors will HAVE to eat crow. Hard evidence is in, and here’s the link.
http://www.twitch.tv/GuildWars2

Apex Prime: 2 Revenants, Elementalist, Guardian, Necromancer
Never Lucky: 2 Mesmers, 2 Revenants, Elementalist

Match Results: Never Lucky wins Khylio 500 to 188, wins Temple of Silent Storm 500 to 396

EzPzLemonSqueezy: 1st team Guardian, Elementalist, Thief, Mesmer and Ranger; second team 2 Revenants, Mesmer, Elementalist and Engineer

Zero Counterplay: 3 Revenants, Mesmer, Elementalist

Match Results: Zero Counterplay wins Khylio 500 to 193, EzPz wins Temple of the Silent Storm 501 to 411, wins Forest of Nifhel 501 to 490

Spoookie: 2 Revenants, 2 Mesmers, Elementalist
Team PZ: 2 Revenants, 2 Mesmers, Elementalist

Match Results: Team PZ win Khylio 456 to 247, wins Temple of the Silent Storm 502 to 5

Abjured: Elementalist, Engineer, Revenant, Necromancer, Thief
Final Form: 2 Revenants, 2 Mesmers, Ranger

Match Results: Abjured wins Khylio 459 to 442, wins Temple of the Silent Storm 503 to 80

Totals: 16 Revenants, 11 Mesmers, 7 Elementalists, 2 Guardians, 2 Necromancers, 2 Rangers, 2 Engineers, 2 Thieves counting the EzPz team switchover for the second and third matches as a separate team.

SO… the guys on these teams are the BIG DOGS. They are the Lords of Lethality, the Sultans of Stomping, Purveyors of Points Taken and Held, and Grand Masters Of Mayhem.

And according to THEM, Mesmers are the second most favored and dangerous Class in the Game. Second only to Revenant, which is only what, three months old now?

Funny that they think so. I mean, what do these guys know? When so MANY people in the last thread apparently disagree. It’s not like they’re championship level players or anything like that, right?

Wow, to be SO VERY WRONG. I’m glad I’m not ANY of those other people who came on to that other thread.

Take a deep breath and relax a few minutes. It’s okay.

No body cares. No body has ever cared.
You’re bad against Mesmers. Learn to be better, don’t come on the forums expecting closure.
Besides Spoookie vs Team PZ had identical make up with hugely different results. It’s because PvP teams are good, not because Mesmers are all that.

They were not OP a year ago. They are OP now. So you were wrong.

Depends on the mesmer. If it’s a greatsword mesmer with a shatter/condition build? Hell yes, it’s overpowered. Not as overpowered as a burn guardian, but that’s another topic.

Lol and i was here last year, where were you when mesmer was not OP? like you know when terrormancers, engies, and burn guards were OP? what about cele eles running around? Dude you suck against mesmers. To be honest yes mesmer is strong atm. The current game type and meta make bunker mesmer way too strong, but it also doesnt have much damage against good players. Against good players all i do is stall forever. A side note is that to tweak the current bunker mesmers, the whole class needs a rework, condi mesmer is dead, burst mesmer dies too fast to other specs that dont require so much effort to be as efficient. So in short mesmer needs a rework, and you need to get better at this game. Pick up a mesmer and test how good you are with one.

All these veterans kek

Were you there when shatter mesmers could literally one shot people? lmfao.

Edit: Overpowered may be a little much.

#capricorn2016

A year ago? You’re aware of the fact that it was a completely different meta back then (of which mesmer wasn’t even part of)?

It’s like saying “it’s so hot today” on a cold winter morning, then being a kitten 6 months later in the summer when it’s really hot. Why did you even write this post?

Or, make Aclarity a boon so that it can be removed, has anyone think of that?

Esonver.8470:

Or, make Aclarity a boon so that it can be removed, has anyone think of that?

There was no alacrity 12 months ago. This is what the OP is referring to.

Okay so hopefully OP you took a minute and got to take a step back. First we all come from different walks in life. Some of us here on the forums were fortunate enough to go to college and take classes like research and statistics. That doesn’t make me any better than anyone else but it does mean I am a bit more informed on data collection

The data you are using can not be used to say Mesmer is OP. There are too many things called “confounding variables.” Your hypothesis is that Mesmer is OP because the teams with mesmers won more than the teams without. However we don’t know that those teams lost because of variables such as: one team had a some team members with a bad internet connection, one team was less skilled, one team encountered a bug….. There’s seriously tons of other factors this could be. So we would say your “results” have no “validity”. Because we can’t say that your test (comparing wins with teams who have mesmers versus teams that do not) is actually measuring what you think it is measuring.

Besides that I looked through your old thread. It is referring to PU most likely which has been nerfed a few times substantially. Current bunker chrono builds seem to be the meta right now for mesmer which is a lot different than the nerfed PU build.

Base Mesmer and Ele were OP before HoT hit so it’s entirely unsurprising that their specialization versions are dominating along with the shiny new HoT class.

Watch the latest ESL match between the Abjured and Team PZ and you get an idea how to deal with them. The solution is out there, but a bit more sophisticated, it seems.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Depends on the mesmer. If it’s a greatsword mesmer with a shatter/condition build? Hell yes, it’s overpowered. Not as overpowered as a burn guardian, but that’s another topic.

roamzero.9486:

Base Mesmer and Ele were OP before HoT hit so it’s entirely unsurprising that their specialization versions are dominating along with the shiny new HoT class.

Kal Spiro.9745:

No body cares. No body has ever cared.
You’re bad against Mesmers. Learn to be better, don’t come on the forums expecting closure.
Besides Spoookie vs Team PZ had identical make up with hugely different results. It’s because PvP teams are good, not because Mesmers are all that.

FINALLY. Some honest people. And then…? If you have a class that YOU like to play, and that class is being unfairly treated in PvP, and you don’t care, you’re just being silly. Or just like losing lots, I guess.

As for the Spook / PZ matchup, I’m glad that you brought it up. This match shows that superior TACTICS, TEAMWORK, and PLAYER ABILITY DO make a difference.

But let’s not forget the important part… the classes being played. EQUIPMENT MATTERS. If YOU are flying an F4U Corsair, and I was flying an F16… well. The smart money is on the F4U being made into scrap metal time after time after time. Or as another example, say you’re on a racetrack. There’s just NO way that you could win against a Formula One racecar in your UNMODIFIED STOCK Ford Escort. NOT going to happen in anything approaching reality.

Which is why I started the other thread a year ago, and why it DOES matter. Why else are the guys WHO KNOW what’s what playing so many mesmers? It can’t be just because they’re cool… these guys are all about: Survivability, Lethality, Durability, and Damage output.

Out of Forty Five Toons played, 11 were Mesmers. That’s effectively 25% of the total. That’s more than any other class but the shiny new Revenants. That Is MORE mesmers played than rangers, engineers, necros, thieves, and guardians COMBINED. That’s a statement, by players in the know, of how effective this class is.

As for any detractors, It occurs to me that there’s an easy way for YOU lads to prove you are correct… just post links to some earlier championship matches. Like say the ones three, six and nine months ago.

Cheers

poor warriors.
predictable class in pvp specially top dogs wont pick it up for pvp you can argue it is basically a pve(specially it was great class for dungeons runs) , maybe before h.o.t i would agree with you but now most of classes are good in pve maybe except thief in raids.
basically it is least interesting class to play.

My issue is bunker Mesmer, but I’m sure I’ll eventually figure out a way to beat it without playing Necro.

Nightshade.5924:

First, if anyone cares, I posted something on this topic about a year ago. I was at the time QUITE fed up w/ getting trashed by mesmers. Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485

BUT Now, all those detractors will HAVE to eat crow.

You can’t be serious.

You are aware that a few minor things have changed in the last year right?

Not only that, you even got the class wrong (which should have been an indication of things having changed).

Bunker chronomancers are OP, not mesmers. But hey, who pays attention to details.

Congratulations, it took over 1 year and massive changes to the game for a point of yours to become valid. More power to you.

I have to dissagree, as a mesmer, I eat revenants for breakfast.

Cyninja.2954:

Nightshade.5924:

First, if anyone cares, I posted something on this topic about a year ago. I was at the time QUITE fed up w/ getting trashed by mesmers. Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485

BUT Now, all those detractors will HAVE to eat crow.

You can’t be serious.

You are aware that a few minor things have changed in the last year right?

Not only that, you even got the class wrong (which should have been an indication of things having changed).

Bunker chronomancers are OP, not mesmers. But hey, who pays attention to details.

Congratulations, it took over 1 year and massive changes to the game for a point of yours to become valid. More power to you.

Details? Like the one where you have to BE a Mesmer, in order to be a chronomancer? As in maybe you’d like to cite specific nerfs to the Mesmer class that have made them weaker? Links to said same? Or again, links to champ matches three, six, and nine months ago that of course would SHOW us that Mesmers aren’t being used? Those sort of details?

Did you WATCH the twitch link, where typically ONLY one Mesmer on a team was running chronomancer? What WAS that other Mesmer doing, I wonder?

If anything has changed in the last year, it is that Mesmers HAVE BECOME MORE POWERFUL, NOT LESS. Feel free to PROVE otherwise.

Cheers

Nightshade.5924:

tl;dr

Using NA as example for balancing is like poor joke, you basicaly could balance around hotjoin teams and it would be as much accurate…

Id suggest you counting Mesmers in EU Pro League… then counting Revenants.

This is sorta adorable actually.

“I moaned about mesmers being op a year ago and nobody believed me. Now that mesmers are stronger, it’s clear that I was right back then too!!!”

I mean, come on. I’m happy to get into a fine argument with all the ‘omg nerf Mesmer folks’, but I feel like this one is just beneath me.

Nightshade.5924:

Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485

Chronomancers are quite strong at the moment but this has nothing to do with stealth. So your arguments were wrong then and are wrong now. If your arguments were right thiefs, which have much more stealth then mesmers, must be good. But they are bad at the moment and are not even meta.

Not sure how I got here but it hurts my brain trying to understand OP’s thought process.

Title of his post a year ago is stealth classes are OP in PvP.

Current most powerful mesmer build has no stealth.

Thanks for the laugh.

Which tournament was this?

Hey, wait 6 months and they will have another “balance patch” where they update tooltips.

Firebird.8324:

Hey, wait 6 months and they will have another “balance patch” where they update tooltips.

You mean they will reduce visual noise?

@NIGHTSHADE. I don’t need to prove I’m correct. You need to prove You are correct and I’m incorrect. You are the one making the accusation not me. So Again. Saying Mesmer is OP based on match wins and composition comparison is completly wrong.

Example. Here is another example for you and more accurate to portray the situation.

Observed data: Everytime I eat a PB sandwich it rains the next day.

Monday: I eat a PB sandwich
Tuesday: It rains, I eat another PB sandwich
Wednesday: It rains, I do not eat a Sanwhich
Thursday: it doesn’t rain but I eat a PB sandwich
Friday: It rains. I eat an Oreo Sandwhich.
Saturday: It rains. I eat an Oreo Sandwhich
Sunday: It rains.

So. I can conclude that PB Sandwhich make it rain the next day. Later I also see the hybrid Sandwhich “Oreo Sandwhich” also makes it rain the next day. See it’s got to be true. #sandwhich logic

Your problem is only your opinion is right. You are therefore too blind to see the truth. You are unable to step back and evaluate the situation or consider other possibilities because your judgment is clouded by being over emotional. And this goes all the way back to last year. So there ya go, I don’t care to win the argument. It’s fine. It’s pretty much impossible to inspire someone through a forum post to be rational when they are set on being irrational. It doesn’t hurt to try tho.

Nightshade.5924:

BUT Now, all those detractors will HAVE to eat crow. Hard evidence is in, and here’s the link.
http://www.twitch.tv/GuildWars2

Apex Prime: 2 Revenants, Elementalist, Guardian, Necromancer
Never Lucky: 2 Mesmers, 2 Revenants, Elementalist

Match Results: Never Lucky wins Khylio 500 to 188, wins Temple of Silent Storm 500 to 396

EzPzLemonSqueezy: 1st team Guardian, Elementalist, Thief, Mesmer and Ranger; second team 2 Revenants, Mesmer, Elementalist and Engineer

Zero Counterplay: 3 Revenants, Mesmer, Elementalist

Match Results: Zero Counterplay wins Khylio 500 to 193, EzPz wins Temple of the Silent Storm 501 to 411, wins Forest of Nifhel 501 to 490

Spoookie: 2 Revenants, 2 Mesmers, Elementalist
Team PZ: 2 Revenants, 2 Mesmers, Elementalist

Match Results: Team PZ win Khylio 456 to 247, wins Temple of the Silent Storm 502 to 5

Abjured: Elementalist, Engineer, Revenant, Necromancer, Thief
Final Form: 2 Revenants, 2 Mesmers, Ranger

Match Results: Abjured wins Khylio 459 to 442, wins Temple of the Silent Storm 503 to 80

Totals: 16 Revenants, 11 Mesmers, 7 Elementalists, 2 Guardians, 2 Necromancers, 2 Rangers, 2 Engineers, 2 Thieves counting the EzPz team switchover for the second and third matches as a separate team.

You just showed to everyone that Guardian team loose.

And a mesmer less team (The Abjured) wins.

I don’t know if mesmer is OP with your number… Except APEX seem to get internal issues (ditch that guard for more condies).

The mirror match Team Spookie and Team PZ show that it’s not just about comp or build to win at high level.

Dal

a lot of things are op atm. mesmer among them.

One year ago the meta was completely different and elite specs didn’t exist. Even if they were OP back then, it would be for completely different reasons than now. This is the worst I told you so I’ve ever seen.

Nightshade.5924:

SO… the guys on these teams are the BIG DOGS. They are the Lords of Lethality, the Sultans of Stomping, Purveyors of Points Taken and Held, and Grand Masters Of Mayhem.

And according to THEM, Mesmers are the second most favored and dangerous Class in the Game. Second only to Revenant, which is only what, three months old now?

So acording to the pros Revenants are the most OP class but you want to nerf Mesmer instead…

venusiano.8246:

Nightshade.5924:

SO… the guys on these teams are the BIG DOGS. They are the Lords of Lethality, the Sultans of Stomping, Purveyors of Points Taken and Held, and Grand Masters Of Mayhem.

And according to THEM, Mesmers are the second most favored and dangerous Class in the Game. Second only to Revenant, which is only what, three months old now?

So acording to the pros Revenants are the most OP class but you want to nerf Mesmer instead…

Revs were built to be broken and lure in the lolwarz form pve to buy HoT. Problem is, competent pvp players own on the broken class.

Nightshade.5924:

Cyninja.2954:

Nightshade.5924:

First, if anyone cares, I posted something on this topic about a year ago. I was at the time QUITE fed up w/ getting trashed by mesmers. Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485

BUT Now, all those detractors will HAVE to eat crow.

You can’t be serious.

You are aware that a few minor things have changed in the last year right?

Not only that, you even got the class wrong (which should have been an indication of things having changed).

Bunker chronomancers are OP, not mesmers. But hey, who pays attention to details.

Congratulations, it took over 1 year and massive changes to the game for a point of yours to become valid. More power to you.

Details? Like the one where you have to BE a Mesmer, in order to be a chronomancer? As in maybe you’d like to cite specific nerfs to the Mesmer class that have made them weaker? Links to said same? Or again, links to champ matches three, six, and nine months ago that of course would SHOW us that Mesmers aren’t being used? Those sort of details?

Did you WATCH the twitch link, where typically ONLY one Mesmer on a team was running chronomancer? What WAS that other Mesmer doing, I wonder?

If anything has changed in the last year, it is that Mesmers HAVE BECOME MORE POWERFUL, NOT LESS. Feel free to PROVE otherwise.

Cheers

The fact that you know nothing of the meta from a year ago speaks volumes. Mesmer for the last 1.5 years has been lacking. Everyone knows that. Until the specialty patch mesmer was one of the weaker classes in the game. The specialty patch changed things up alot and put mesmers back up towards the top.

Bunker chronomancer does need toning down no doubt about it. Basic mesmer specs are in a pretty good spot nowdays but I wouldnt call anything besides bunker OP at all.

If anything mesmer has been towards teh bottom of the pile for the majority of the games life at least in competitive play.

Again, it does depend on the traits, skill, and equipment used by the mesmer. Those in the know can be devastating in a PvP. The rest? They make great free points for me.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Again, it does depend on the traits, skill, and equipment used by the mesmer. Those in the know can be devastating in a PvP. The rest? They make great free points for me.

Godmoney.2048:

Nightshade.5924:

Cyninja.2954:

Nightshade.5924:

First, if anyone cares, I posted something on this topic about a year ago. I was at the time QUITE fed up w/ getting trashed by mesmers. Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485
BUT Now, all those detractors will HAVE to eat crow.

You can’t be serious.
You are aware that a few minor things have changed in the last year right?
Not only that, you even got the class wrong (which should have been an indication of things having changed).
Bunker chronomancers are OP, not mesmers. But hey, who pays attention to details.

Congratulations, it took over 1 year and massive changes to the game for a point of yours to become valid. More power to you.

Links to said same? Or again, links to champ matches three, six, and nine months ago that of course would SHOW us that Mesmers aren’t being used? Those sort of details?
Did you WATCH the twitch link, where typically ONLY one Mesmer on a team was running chronomancer? What WAS that other Mesmer doing, I

If anything has changed in the last year, it is that Mesmers HAVE BECOME MORE POWERFUL, NOT LESS. Feel free to PROVE otherwise.

Cheers

The fact that you know nothing of the meta from a year ago speaks volumes. Mesmer for the last 1.5 years has been lacking. Everyone knows that. Until the specialty patch mesmer was one of the weaker classes in the game.
If anything mesmer has been towards teh bottom of the pile for the majority of the games life at least in competitive play.

Andraus.3874:

@NIGHTSHADE. I don’t need to prove I’m correct. You need to prove You are correct and I’m incorrect. You are the one making the accusation not me. So Again. Saying Mesmer is OP based on match wins and composition comparison is completly wrong.

Your problem is only your opinion is right. You are therefore too blind to see the truth. You are unable to step back and evaluate the situation or consider other possibilities because your judgment is clouded by being over emotional. And this goes all the way back to last year. It’s pretty much impossible to inspire someone through a forum post to be rational when they are set on being irrational.

I AM glad to see that this time SOME people are willing to admit just how nasty mesmers are. Then of course, there are the rest.

The ones that deride, subtly insult, insinuate. Mind you, they never offer a SHRED of countervailing proof. Not them. These sorts lack the Honesty, Integrity, and Courage to own up to the fact that THEY could be wrong. I now offer something that I have asked said detractors for TWICE. It wasn’t hard to find. Funny that.

Now, I’m sure that certain people will be quick to point out that the LOSING team in the matchup that goes w/ the link I’m about to post has a Mesmer, and the Winners Don’t. But I remind ALL and sundry… First, that team came in second place. SECOND, and more importantly, to get to this Particular matchup that team, WITH a MESMER, had to play elimination Matches over MONTHS to end up at this particular match.

So HERE’s the PROOF that Mesmers were combat lethal and HAVE been for some time. Proof that Oddly, all of people in the first thread AND in this thread chose NOT to acknowledge or even consider, since that would of course force them to change THEIR “opinions”.

Without further ado, I give you the TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN WORLD CUP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1xGvbYnmbo

Where HAVE I heard the name of the winning team? I swear I’ve seen it somewhere before in regards to beating a team w/ a Mesmer or two…

Cheers

Nightshade.5924:

Now, I’m sure that certain people will be quick to point out that the LOSING team in the matchup that goes w/ the link I’m about to post has a Mesmer, and the Winners Don’t. But I remind ALL and sundry… First, that team came in second place. SECOND, and more importantly, to get to this Particular matchup that team, WITH a MESMER, had to play elimination Matches over MONTHS to end up at this particular match.

Now, I’m sure that people will be quick to point out that I’m literally providing evidence counter to the hilariously absurd claim I’m trying to make, but I’m going to keep talking and hope that by an act of god, this sentence somehow resolves itself in a way that doesn’t look really foolish.

Nightshade.5924:

First, if anyone cares, I posted something on this topic about [u]a year ago[/u]. I was at the time QUITE fed up w/ getting trashed by mesmers. Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485

Checkmate.

The fact that you were getting trashed by Mesmers a year ago says everything about your skill as a player and how valuable your opinion is on Mesmer balancing.

Mesmer is currently a strong class. I glanced at the rest of your post to amuse myself and didn’t see any evidence pointing to Mesmer being OP. Histrionics is all I saw.

Bunk mes and Rev need to be toned down.

But the issue I see here is the amount of allowed sustain to run rampant in this game and is ALWAYS the meta regardless of which class can utilize it the best at the time.

It’s the same reason why everyone complained about d/d ele since even before celestial with old valk. It’s the same reason why everyone complained before Warrior’s healing signet got nerfed. It’s the same reason why inherently condi builds are constantly brought into question which are just bruisers of a different flavor.

The game has always been a giant slosh of Bunkers and bruisers, unless you were a thief pre specialization patch. Not to say full power cannot succeed, but the dominant game types favor otherwise.

So again, Bunk mes and Rev need to be toned down. However they are not the problem here; They are just a symptom, along with build/class stacking.

“But everyone got instant bursted and died really fast when they first released specializations and HoT.”

Sure there were a few nerfs which I guess promoted the play we have now. But:

1. A lot of what was available then is still available now.

2. Everyone got tools to cover their burst and ppl had to learn to play around it. It’s like when ppl died to 100b cuz they didn’t l2playaround it.

If we cannot have class/build diversity based clauses, or bans, we should at least have some sort of global PvP restriction of using certain specialization lines together focusing on keeping survivability based lines apart.

Don’t worry it’s not like we have esports or anything

Nightshade.5924:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Again, it does depend on the traits, skill, and equipment used by the mesmer. Those in the know can be devastating in a PvP. The rest? They make great free points for me.

Godmoney.2048:

Nightshade.5924:

Cyninja.2954:

Nightshade.5924:

First, if anyone cares, I posted something on this topic about a year ago. I was at the time QUITE fed up w/ getting trashed by mesmers. Many people derided and defamed my viewpoint. See here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stealth-Classes-OP-in-PvP/first#post4615485
BUT Now, all those detractors will HAVE to eat crow.

You can’t be serious.
You are aware that a few minor things have changed in the last year right?
Not only that, you even got the class wrong (which should have been an indication of things having changed).
Bunker chronomancers are OP, not mesmers. But hey, who pays attention to details.

Congratulations, it took over 1 year and massive changes to the game for a point of yours to become valid. More power to you.

Links to said same? Or again, links to champ matches three, six, and nine months ago that of course would SHOW us that Mesmers aren’t being used? Those sort of details?
Did you WATCH the twitch link, where typically ONLY one Mesmer on a team was running chronomancer? What WAS that other Mesmer doing, I

If anything has changed in the last year, it is that Mesmers HAVE BECOME MORE POWERFUL, NOT LESS. Feel free to PROVE otherwise.

Cheers

The fact that you know nothing of the meta from a year ago speaks volumes. Mesmer for the last 1.5 years has been lacking. Everyone knows that. Until the specialty patch mesmer was one of the weaker classes in the game.
If anything mesmer has been towards teh bottom of the pile for the majority of the games life at least in competitive play.

Andraus.3874:

@NIGHTSHADE. I don’t need to prove I’m correct. You need to prove You are correct and I’m incorrect. You are the one making the accusation not me. So Again. Saying Mesmer is OP based on match wins and composition comparison is completly wrong.

Your problem is only your opinion is right. You are therefore too blind to see the truth. You are unable to step back and evaluate the situation or consider other possibilities because your judgment is clouded by being over emotional. And this goes all the way back to last year. It’s pretty much impossible to inspire someone through a forum post to be rational when they are set on being irrational.

I AM glad to see that this time SOME people are willing to admit just how nasty mesmers are. Then of course, there are the rest.

The ones that deride, subtly insult, insinuate. Mind you, they never offer a SHRED of countervailing proof. Not them. These sorts lack the Honesty, Integrity, and Courage to own up to the fact that THEY could be wrong. I now offer something that I have asked said detractors for TWICE. It wasn’t hard to find. Funny that.

Now, I’m sure that certain people will be quick to point out that the LOSING team in the matchup that goes w/ the link I’m about to post has a Mesmer, and the Winners Don’t. But I remind ALL and sundry… First, that team came in second place. SECOND, and more importantly, to get to this Particular matchup that team, WITH a MESMER, had to play elimination Matches over MONTHS to end up at this particular match.

So HERE’s the PROOF that Mesmers were combat lethal and HAVE been for some time. Proof that Oddly, all of people in the first thread AND in this thread chose NOT to acknowledge or even consider, since that would of course force them to change THEIR “opinions”.

Without further ado, I give you the TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN WORLD CUP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1xGvbYnmbo

Where HAVE I heard the name of the winning team? I swear I’ve seen it somewhere before in regards to beating a team w/ a Mesmer or two…

Cheers

Oh no, one of the teams had 1 mesmer in their comp, which was built specifically around having that 1 mesmer. Nerf nerf nerf.

Serisouly, do you even read what you write?

The one thing every single respons in this thread agrees to is: You are making yourself look not very smart, to not use more drastic words. Take a chillpill and stay away from the forums for a while.

Your making life for people with valid complaints about chronomancers harder right now by being on the side screeming nerfs.

Bunk Chronomancer is strong. That doesn’t make your original thread 1 year ago valid. You were wrong back then about invisibility, and you’re still wrong about it.

Browrain.7346:

Bunk Chronomancer is strong. That doesn’t make your original thread 1 year ago valid. You were wrong back then about invisibility, and you’re still wrong about it.

Worst part about bunk mes is that you can down an enemy player but the mes will res them in a second and you can’t do kitten about it what so ever.

I just played a game with 6 chronomancers. 4 on my team (I’m not one of them) and 2 on the other team. My team won.

I don’t know much about mesmers so I’m not qualified to say whether or not they’re OP but I just wanted to highlight the fact that there are just getting to be too many of them.

Mesmers are strong atm but I dont agree that the current meta version has anything to do with last year’s 4/4/0/0/6 shatter or PU variation.

If you said they are OP now like they were after the June 23 patch before mirror blade and etc got nerfed 2 weeks later – Then I would have agreed with your title.

But up until recently, Mesmers weren’t highly favored.