Guild Wars 2

Mesmers: easily replaced in PvE, portal/veil-bots in WvW, not needed in high-tier PvP. Bugged, nerfed in PvE based on PvP, ignored during encounter design.

The only thing that mesmers can efficiently do is annoy newbies who know nothing about mesmers – until those learn how to either run away or focus and melt the meta shatter.

But according to PvP profession dailies (designed to pull people into playing classes they do not play) in which mesmer appeared once (saying hi to necro), there are too many mesmers in PvP. And not enough turret engies, celestial engies and omnipresent guardians.

So, if we’re sticking to the current profession daily system (while I still think that profession dailies should be randomized per account), can we at least have RNG manually evened out?

3 more days without mesmer dailies.

…and apparently no mesmers on the forum to be unhappy about it.

Lishtenbird.2814:

3 more days without mesmer dailies.

…and apparently no mesmers on the forum to be unhappy about it.

Daily rewards are so crap now I’m not sure why anyone would bother to get them. The only reason before was the laurel. You get those for logging in.

Lishtenbird.2814:

3 more days without mesmer dailies.

…and apparently no mesmers on the forum to be unhappy about it.

As a person who hates playing as mesmer, I’m glad mesmer pvp daily has only come up a few times. Mesmer and thieve dailies I skip.

Well… How do I put this… It’s randomized! Randomized doesn’t mean well distributed, it means the output is random! If you keep tracking the representation of each profession and do stats in a year, the deviation will be smaller, but for know, there hasn’t been enough dailies to worry about this. But yeah, the rewards are not that good, so play mesmer if you want to.

Lishtenbird.2814:

I still think that profession dailies should be randomized per account

I agree with you on that!

Ross Biddle.2367:

Daily rewards are so crap now I’m not sure why anyone would bother to get them. The only reason before was the laurel. You get those for logging in.

Oh please don’t start the same daily discussion again – there’s a megathread for that. I’m using PvP for daily 10AP when everything else is worse, and I’m using it for a quick and dirty daily reward track boost to get the exclusive rewards (armor, rebreather etc.).

Sorel.4870:

Well… How do I put this… It’s randomized! Randomized doesn’t mean well distributed, it means the output is random! If you keep tracking the representation of each profession and do stats in a year, the deviation will be smaller, but for know, there hasn’t been enough dailies to worry about this.

I found it very unlikely to have only 2 mesmer occurrences (counting the today’s one) in 30 days, having 8 classes and 2 of them each day. I’m not sure it’s pure RNG, looks like a rotation with a predefined low weight.

skullmount.1758:

As a person who hates playing as mesmer, I’m glad mesmer pvp daily has only come up a few times. Mesmer and thieve dailies I skip.

As a person who plays only mesmer (and occasionally ranger) in PvP and hates everything else, I’m displeased mesmer dailies are so rare.

Yeah I also think it’s shame mesmer gets no attention at all.

When it comes to daily I thought of good altarnative (only PvP daily):

- PvP daily is generated per account (everyone get diffrent set of possible achis) to prevent one profession floods (those 4 man thief teams) as well as objective farming (5 people standing on point waiting for enemy to stomp to get defender – because as every PvP player knows – people do not go practice for daily but straight arena – which is supposed to be competitive). see Lishtenbird.2814 first post
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- Profession pool generated from account slots, so you actually get profession you want to play and have certain degree of experience with. (Optional)

What do you guys think?

Maybe Anet knows everyone hates playing against mesmers? Well maybe except thieves.

Tom Gore.4035:

Maybe Anet knows everyone hates playing against mesmers? Well maybe except thieves.

Let me correct those typos for you:

Maybe Anet knows everyone hates playing against mesmers? Well maybe except against teams without thieves

This really really needs to be randomized by account or changed altogether. I was hoping this would have been changed in yesterday’s patch.

I suggest the OP looks into statistics at some point.

SobeSoul.6910:

I suggest the OP looks into statistics at some point.

I studied statistics and I found 1 occurrence in a month with 2/8 success probability every day to be worth checking.

I do not think they’re RNG. I think they’re on a fixed rotation or semi-RNG, just like dailies used to be before the update.

If they make mesmer dailies more often, i hope they fix matchmaking first. I was just in a match with 7 mesmers, 2 thieves and a necro. Between all the clones, phantasms, minions and thieves guild, it was just a pile of bodies. Not fun in the least..

SobeSoul.6910:

I suggest the OP looks into statistics at some point.

http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/binomial.aspx

Input: .25, 30, 1.

Chances of there being more than 1 occurrence in a month in a pure RNG system: 99.8%.

Micronumerosity issues.

It would be interesting to see the actual mathematics behind class dailies.

The less Mesmers the better.

Whoever was saying that profession dailies were pure RNG – come and say it again:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daily/Table

• The profession winner achievements are somewhat odd, introducing a real profession bias.
• Most liked professions are Guardian, Thief, and Engineer (11 times a month)
• Least liked are Mesmer and Necromancer (only 4 times each)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2xnf7l/wiki_daily_achievements_preview_now_available/cp1o1d7

Professions – Frequency
Mesmer – 4
Necromancer – 4
Ranger – 6
Warrior – 7
Thief – 9
Elementalist – 9
Engineer – 10
Guardian – 11

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2xnf7l/wiki_daily_achievements_preview_now_available/cp1owzv

So, definitely not enough guardians, engies and eles in PvP… Right?

Lishtenbird.2814:

Whoever was saying that profession dailies were pure RNG – come and say it again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#Perception_of_randomness_is_always_wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#A_number_is_.22cursed.22_or_.22blessed.22

Shylock.4653:

Lishtenbird.2814:

Whoever was saying that profession dailies were pure RNG – come and say it again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#Perception_of_randomness_is_always_wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#A_number_is_.22cursed.22_or_.22blessed.22

And your point is… ?

I’m just gonna quote myself here:

Saturn.6591:

According to wiki-research, there’s two PvP class-winner slots. Slot 1 is shared between Guardian, Mesmer, Ranger and Thief; and slot 2 between Elementalist, Engineer, Necromancer and Warrior. So, from december 12th to february 20th, we’ve had the following professions chosen:

Slot 1:
Guardian: 24
Thief: 20
Ranger: 11
Mesmer: 9

Slot 2:
Engineer: 21
Elementalist: 20
Warrior: 15
Necromancer: 8

Looks like RNG is kinda biased here. Although of course it MIGHT equal out in the next year or two or so, but still…

But yeah, it’s still possible to get those results with randomness. But currently, RNG seems to dislike Mesmers and Necros, and really love Guardians, Thieves and Engineers with a passion. ^^

Lishtenbird.2814:

Shylock.4653:

Lishtenbird.2814:

Whoever was saying that profession dailies were pure RNG – come and say it again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#Perception_of_randomness_is_always_wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#A_number_is_.22cursed.22_or_.22blessed.22

And your point is… ?

My point is that your sample is no proof of bad randomness.

They should randomize only over 4 days. In other words, every 4 days all 8 professions should show up. First day you random from all 8 professions, second from the 6 remaining, third from the 4 remaining, and fourth are the last two. That way you get a more consistent distribution.

Shylock.4653:

Lishtenbird.2814:

Shylock.4653:

Lishtenbird.2814:

Whoever was saying that profession dailies were pure RNG – come and say it again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#Perception_of_randomness_is_always_wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness#A_number_is_.22cursed.22_or_.22blessed.22

And your point is… ?

My point is that your sample is no proof of bad randomness.

Because, indeed, it is not randomness, it is deliberately pre-picked to favour certain profession and punish others:

I assume that information on the wiki is based on data that was previously gathered – i.e. there is some pattern to it

Yes, we monitored the daily achievements since their introduction, and essentially, the dailies run on a fixed cycle where each day of the month maps to a fixed set of dailies, repeating every month. It’s actually how the dailies have been working for years.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2xnf7l/wiki_daily_achievements_preview_now_available/cp1zkks

Saturn.6591:

But yeah, it’s still possible to get those results with randomness. But currently, RNG seems to dislike Mesmers and Necros, and really love Guardians, Thieves and Engineers with a passion. ^^

There’s like… an infinitely close to zero chance that over several months the exact dailies appeared on the exact days of the month. As if they were, you know… predefined.

Don’t be sad Mesmers, at least you aren’t Necros.

As someone who plays mesmer, I’m thankful that there haven’t been more mesmer dailies. Too many mesmers hurts a team, and I still see our class represented fairly often in matches. I’d rather miss out on the daily reward than have a day of broken team comps.