Guild Wars 2

The amount of troll/QQ in this tread is downright laughable. “I can’t fight this class and I probably haven’t rolled this class to see its weakness so I’m just going to pull (made up) facts out of the air and complain about them”.

Amir.1570:

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You—somehow—understand less about the Mesmer class than the OP. To do a successful shatter burst takes quite a bit of practice against most classes. You more than anyone need to learn how the class works before going on some ill-informed rant.

1. 10 million dodges? Gosh I’d really like to see that. If Mesmers run energy runes/sigils, we have slightly more dodges than the average player not running the same runes over time. Heck, I actually wish we had more dodges so we could mitigate our main weakness – close combat fights.

2. There is the beautiful thing called stun breaks. If you’re fighting a Mesmer (or even more, a Theif or War), you need to conserve those stun breaks and not just blow through your cooldowns. Mesmers have at most 3 stunbreaks at any given time without being crippled; Staff 2, Decoy, and Blink. If you see a Mesmer running Decoy, there is a good chance that s/he is either not running Portal to reset the fight or condi cleanse. All classes have stun breaks. Good players conserve them.

3. Has really nothing to do with Mesmers. Mesmers don’t even reset fights as well as theives. Resetting also usually means you’re giving up a cap which means free points for you.

Have you noticed that WTS only had ONE Mesmer (who btw was the reason EU lost to NA imo) while everyone ran War? Doesn’t seem like Mesmers are a problem in actual competitive play. Most of your issues are LTP.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

aye i hate mesmer sometimes.

especially when i pop stability and was activating battle standard trying to revive downed team mate.

then somehow they remove my stability and shove my warrior’s face into the ground.

A super common ‘mistake’ I see while fighting a lot of Wars is that they forget that Mesmers are first and foremost the boonstripping class and try starting the fight with their boons. Between any of our shatters, Arcane Thievery, Null Field, and even Sword AA, the only class that can consistently keep boons up against us are eles and good engies. If you’re in a team fight and you’re focusing on the teams needs, try not to blow through your vital boons until after the Mesmer has used their stripping skills. Else you’re just giving the Mesmer a lot more power to burst with. Pay attention to what the Mesmer has used and you’ll have a much easier time dealing with them :P

silentnight warrior.2714:

Well a top player playing thief said once that if thieves weren’t around, mesmer would be dominating pvp.

As long we have thiefs, pvp should be fine….

I dont know what thieves you have been facing but that must had been 2 years ago when they was actually a force to reckon with. They are fast thats it and it can only take you so far. Infact on my necro i can kill 2 thieves simulatiously.

In fact mesmer is the most hard countered class in game.
And it his by the best mobility class in game with no counter. Mesmer cannot avoid thieves and thus can be shut down very hard.
I would not call this op.

If the Mesmer is bad, they are usually a free kill and no one complains.

If the Mesmer is decent, it will probably be a good fight and you will probably say “What an annoying mes”.

If the Mesmer is amazing and completely destroys you, people usually say “Mesmer OP” and make these type of threads. They don’t take into consideration that the Mesmer could have way more skill then them. Like seriously, Mesmer takes five times as much work just to compete compared to basically any other meta spec atm. I guess people like to pick on the class that arguably takes the most skill in the game to play.

A mediocre Warrior is a liability. A mediocre Mesmer gets a slap to the wrist. Why? Nothing hard about classes that spam defensive evade block blind crap as they DPS, nothing hard about vertical range, and there is nothing hard about untelegraphed instant DPS.

Amir.1570:

A mediocre Warrior is a liability. A mediocre Mesmer gets a slap to the wrist. Why? Nothing hard about classes that spam defensive crap as they DPS, nothing hard about vertical range, and there is nothing hard about untelegraphed instant DPS.

Show me this build where I can perma evade and dps at the same time. I think you got Mesmer switched with s/d thief, because if you are talking about s/d thief then your argument actually makes sense.

Amir.1570:

A mediocre Warrior is a liability. A mediocre Mesmer gets a slap to the wrist. Why? Nothing hard about classes that spam defensive crap as they DPS, nothing hard about vertical range, and there is nothing hard about untelegraphed instant DPS.

Sounds like you mixed up warrior and mesmer here, except the vertical range thing that any range class is capable of. Also not sure what’s so untelegraphed.

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Those complaining about AI should just ask for a rework on both Mesmer and Ranger.

Xillllix.3485:

The only OP thing right now is Mesmer daze, Immob stacking and Ranger Longbow.

The ranger longbow should do like 50% less damage at 600 range and 25% less at 900 range.

Ross Biddle.2367:

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Tom Gore.4035:

My suggestion would be that you don’t take damage when you destroy the clones. The fact that the Mesmer just avoided an attack because the player hit a clone should be enough reward. No need to crit for 2,5k on top of that.

Rofl, this one was hilarious. If you destroy a Mesmer clone or phantasm you dont take any damage. If the Mesmer traits for it he can add various, random conditions to clone death (but never direct damage). Phantasms dont appl conditions OR direct damage on death. If the Mesmer uses his F1 Mind Wrack class mechanic shatter skill, his clones can deal direct damage, but that’s only if they make it to their target alive, and the Mesmer has to use up all his available clones/phants on the field to make it happen. Its also blockable/dodgable etc.

Mesmer is only OP against noobs and bottom tier players. Mesmer is actually severely UP in top tier play. This is why balancing for Mesmer has been so kittened up.

This Amir guy and the OP sound like bottom tier players. sigh. Take the advice listed in this thread. We aren’t hard to beat if skill-level is equal.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Ross Biddle.2367:

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Listen, there’s nothing wrong with our Mesmer AI in that video. They just need to nerf dolyak movement speed and spam evasions, then we’ll have esports.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Amir.1570:

A mediocre Warrior is a liability. A mediocre Mesmer gets a slap to the wrist. Why? Nothing hard about classes that spam defensive crap as they DPS, nothing hard about vertical range, and there is nothing hard about untelegraphed instant DPS.

Show me this build where I can perma evade and dps at the same time. I think you got Mesmer switched with s/d thief, because if you are talking about s/d thief then your argument actually makes sense.

Lol, I was thinking the same thing.

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Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Ross Biddle.2367:

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Listen, there’s nothing wrong with our Mesmer AI in that video. They just need to nerf dolyak movement speed and spam evasions, then we’ll have esports.

Pro tips on how to avoid clone aa spam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QnRg6M56ABw#t=70

As warrior, spam “run-forward-in-a-straight-line evade” and/or use attack skills. Watch as clones AA fly by to no effect.

Mesmer is just kittenous design class in all honesty.

If you’re definition of high skill cap is having a stupidly braindead advantage over other classes such as being able to attack while evading or being able to cast distortion while stun locked then I don’t know what to say to you.

Not to mention Mesmer DPS is one of the easiest things to land in the game next to steal backstab. But funny story though, even though Thief has an easier time landing burst they’re still pretty much less cancerous.

Ross Biddle.2367:

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Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Ross Biddle.2367:

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Listen, there’s nothing wrong with our Mesmer AI in that video. They just need to nerf dolyak movement speed and spam evasions, then we’ll have esports.

Pro tips on how to avoid clone aa spam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QnRg6M56ABw#t=70

As warrior, spam “run forward in a direct line evade” and/or use attack skills. Watch as clones AA fly by to no effect.

You don’t fight competent people on your Warrior if you’re saying Warrior beats Mesmer. You can if you’re condi but that’s just a fail 1v1 mind set. Let’s talk about team fights though.

Amir.1570:

Mesmer is just kittenous design class in all honesty.

If you’re definition of high skill cap is having a stupidly braindead advantage over other classes such as being able to attack while evading or being able to cast distortion while stun locked then I don’t know what to say to you.

Not to mention Mesmer DPS is one of the easiest things to land in the game next to steal backstab. But funny story though, even though Thief has an easier time landing burst they’re still pretty much less cancerous.

Blurred Frenzy is OP? Most Mesmer’s don’t even use a sword….

Distortion is OP? That is why it has a 60 second cooldown… and it also prevents capture point progress

Mesmer burst is easy to land when you keyboard turn and click on your skills or when you ignore the clones running at you or when you do not dodge etc… that is correct

i dont know about warrior as a whole because there are so many builds but condi warrior beats mesmer easily. unless its PU phantasm build. then condi warrior still takes the point and survives long enough and puts enough damage on the mesmer that an ally can rotate and finish off the fight all the while the cap/decap was yours.

Amir.1570:

Ross Biddle.2367:

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Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Ross Biddle.2367:

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Listen, there’s nothing wrong with our Mesmer AI in that video. They just need to nerf dolyak movement speed and spam evasions, then we’ll have esports.

Pro tips on how to avoid clone aa spam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QnRg6M56ABw#t=70

As warrior, spam “run forward in a direct line evade” and/or use attack skills. Watch as clones AA fly by to no effect.

You don’t fight competent people on your Warrior if you’re saying Warrior beats Mesmer. You can if you’re condi but that’s just a fail 1v1 mind set. Let’s talk about team fights though.

Amir, you didn’t even watch the video. That’s how I know you are [once again] incapable of containing your ignorant rage and lack the tact or tenacity to engage in debate. I don’t know why people even respond to you still after all the ridiculous posting you’ve done in this forum.

@Mesmer mains
Challenge: Go play DPS Warrior (30 defense or no defense, IDC) or Fresh Air Ele.

The majority of the people who try this will come crying back to their braindead invuln easy mode class which only happened to be unviable because celestial.

Mesmer was always braindead actually, not as much as Ranger or Guard but still very braindead.

And when I mean braindead, they’re very easy to play and very rewarding. Most Mesmers who tried to play DPS Warrior just failed and missed every important skill back when the Frenzy meta was around.

Mesmer is rewarding in bottom tier play. Climb out of the noob/bottom tier, and maybe you’ll find other profession builds to complain about, Amir. There are a lot of resources that give advice on how to improve your skills and ability to help your team.

This thread is a great start!
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/How-to-make-a-difference-in-Solo-Q-s/first#post4668844

Denied Guild Wars has a great playlist on “How to TPvP: Tips and Tricks” I highly recommend him as well.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2BWjrZ0WtzvdLikgvzyIFZ8aOugJSa_L

Amir.1570:

Ross Biddle.2367:

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Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Ross Biddle.2367:

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Listen, there’s nothing wrong with our Mesmer AI in that video. They just need to nerf dolyak movement speed and spam evasions, then we’ll have esports.

Pro tips on how to avoid clone aa spam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QnRg6M56ABw#t=70

As warrior, spam “run forward in a direct line evade” and/or use attack skills. Watch as clones AA fly by to no effect.

You don’t fight competent people on your Warrior if you’re saying Warrior beats Mesmer. You can if you’re condi but that’s just a fail 1v1 mind set. Let’s talk about team fights though.

That’s not what’s being said here at all :p

Amir.1570:

@Mesmer mains
Challenge: Go play DPS Warrior (30 defense or no defense, IDC) or Fresh Air Ele.

The majority of the people who try this will come crying back to their braindead invuln easy mode class which only happened to be unviable because celestial.

Mesmer was always braindead actually, not as much as Ranger or Guard but still very braindead.

And when I mean braindead, they’re very easy to play and very rewarding. Most Mesmers who tried to play DPS Warrior just failed and missed every important skill back when the Frenzy meta was around.

Challenge accepted. I’ve played Warrior. Not skill-less, but it’s easy because it’s so straight forward. Each skill individually works well by itself. I am no pro warrior, but I did my share of PvP on it.

Now is it your turn to play mesmer?

Ross Biddle.2367:

Amir.1570:

Ross Biddle.2367:

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Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Ross Biddle.2367:

DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Listen, there’s nothing wrong with our Mesmer AI in that video. They just need to nerf dolyak movement speed and spam evasions, then we’ll have esports.

Pro tips on how to avoid clone aa spam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QnRg6M56ABw#t=70

As warrior, spam “run forward in a direct line evade” and/or use attack skills. Watch as clones AA fly by to no effect.

You don’t fight competent people on your Warrior if you’re saying Warrior beats Mesmer. You can if you’re condi but that’s just a fail 1v1 mind set. Let’s talk about team fights though.

That’s not what’s being said here at all :p

He doesn’t understand how a debate works. He’s like a mix between a baby and pre-teen girl. It’s all “me me me! Look at me and my needs!” with random bouts of incessant crying.

Amir.1570:

@Mesmer mains
Challenge: Go play DPS Warrior (30 defense or no defense, IDC) or Fresh Air Ele.

The majority of the people who try this will come crying back to their braindead invuln easy mode class which only happened to be unviable because celestial.

Mesmer was always braindead actually, not as much as Ranger or Guard but still very braindead.

And when I mean braindead, they’re very easy to play and very rewarding. Most Mesmers who tried to play DPS Warrior just failed and missed every important skill back when the Frenzy meta was around.

Only players can be brain dead, not classes. You know because the moment a sub-par or “braindead” player comes up against a good player, whether its a same class match up or not, the pro player shows the “braindead” player for what they are.

For those complaining about evade invulnerable.. warriors have access to those too on a lower CD and from traits… They also last longer…

Now what else is there.. attacking while evading see theif daggers and sword…

Now that we have that out of the way we’ve removed and negated the vast majority of posts so far. What else do you guys have?

Amir.1570:

@Mesmer mains
Challenge: Go play DPS Warrior (30 defense or no defense, IDC) or Fresh Air Ele.

I actually prefer playing every profession with berserker amulet. No need to cry xD

Is berserker amuelt less forgiving than f.e. celes? ofc
Is a beserker mesmer strong than f.e. a berserker warrior? also true
Does that make mesmer op? kitten no, because how about picking a cele or soldier amulet on your warrior and then wracking the mesmer?^^

If your argument is, that a good played berserker mesmer beats someone with an awful build, then yes, he does xD

Looking at this thread, it’s pretty clear that some people think their professions should be able to do everything. Reality is that Mesmer can’t do everything and in fact has to respect everything other professions can do.

I fear this mindset that professions should be able to do everything has been brought along by the Celestial meta.

Amir.1570:

@Mesmer mains
Challenge: Go play DPS Warrior (30 defense or no defense, IDC) or Fresh Air Ele.

The majority of the people who try this will come crying back to their braindead invuln easy mode class which only happened to be unviable because celestial.

Mesmer was always braindead actually, not as much as Ranger or Guard but still very braindead.

And when I mean braindead, they’re very easy to play and very rewarding. Most Mesmers who tried to play DPS Warrior just failed and missed every important skill back when the Frenzy meta was around.

Oh fortunately for you, I’ve played fresh air ele recently for a couple days now . The result I had was I did even more damage with fresh air ele, even to the point where I was could insta-kill thieves in under 0.5 seconds (even my shatter mes cant burst that fast) and survived as long as my shatter mes. With obsidian flesh, LF, and FGS it is so easy to disengage fights. I never felt overwhelmed on my FA ele either, so it wasn’t groundbreaking in terms of skill cap, it honestly feels the same as mes. All in all, 0/10 for troll effort

Lordrosicky.5813:

#nerfmesmernotele/engi

Sad but true people.

I would much rather they nerfed mesmer than ele/engi.

And warrior doesn’t even need nerfing people. It is a “fair” class. It doesn’t port around like a no-lifer whilst AI kills you.

Mesmer is annoying because:
1, It is all AI
2, They can burst out of stealth
3, They port around from ledge to ledge so I can never finish them off without a thief on my team
4, Playing with bunkery people vs thief/mesmer as a necro is miserable as you have no thief to nullify the mesmer and they kitten me.
5, I hope they don’t nerf ele/engi so it becomes mesmer/thief OP comps again which just farm all other squishies.

My opinion: please don’t nerf the kitten out of ele and engi if that just means we get more OP mesmers running around never letting me heal and bursting me out of stealth with like 3 buttons.

P.s. fire and air sigils are lame.

P.p.s At least eles and engis sit there and are there to be killed, mesmers and thieves port around like clowns and just kitten everyone off.

P.p.p.s Warrior isn’t OP

Nice try troller!

@Amir
Challenge: Go play shatter mesmer in a as braindead way as you can and show us some good results.

Stop feeding the troll guys….2 pages already….
This amir guy is just claiming that mesmers are OP without giving any example of build/concrete gameplay, even after some players gave him some tips to counter shatter mesmers —>so 2 possibilities : he’s trolling or he’s really bad (but it’s hard to get there since this game has one of the lowest skill cap if we think a little bit further).
Topic (should be) closed.

People are surprisingly stupid if they think Mesmer is a hard mode class. They are either really scared to be proven wrong or just too simple minded and can’t comprehend simple analogies.

Once again, go play DPS Warrior or Fresh Air ele. You’ll come crawling back to your braindead class which spam blinds, invuln, and evades while I bait out your evades with phantasms and then Mirror Image shatter you when you run out of dodges.

Mesmer is THE most braindead glass cannon in the game, potentially more braindead than Ranger glass cannon which is another braindead spec because Ranger is easy mode too. I’ve already stated why, I don’t know why people refuse to understand why Mesmer isn’t hard at it’s current state. Like if you’re bad at Mesmer you are bad no matter what you do.

Seriously even Hambow or shoutbow isn’t that cancerous once you understand that hambow gets destroyed once Berserk Stance is down or shoutbow gets destroyed by chain CC once shake it off is down.

P.S Better pray that they don’t gut celestial Ele or Engi. Tone it down properly, but without care then the glass cannon meta will come back and prove how braindead Mesmer is.

P.S#2 I’ve played Mesmer, it isn’t that hard. Try again please. That’s how Mesmer works on the above post.

Ross Biddle.2367:

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DeWolfe.2174:

For all the passive AI work being done by phantasms and clones, a Mesmer should get toned down. It’s pretty much why Ranger Pet’s (cat’s/birds) got nerfed. Too much passive damage output by the AI’s allowing the Ranger to sit back.

Mesmer AI OP, please tone down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHY6gJRhXM

Well done Ross. This clearly shows the OP Mesmer AI.

Listen, there’s nothing wrong with our Mesmer AI in that video. They just need to nerf dolyak movement speed and spam evasions, then we’ll have esports.

Pro tips on how to avoid clone aa spam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QnRg6M56ABw#t=70

As warrior, spam “run-forward-in-a-straight-line evade” and/or use attack skills. Watch as clones AA fly by to no effect.

So true Ross.

The best warrior I’ve ever fought ran a eviscerate glassy spec in WVW. Here’s what he would do that I just couldnt really deal with.

1. He’d assault me and maybe I’d get him to half health from my reprisal.
2. He’d then run in a straight line directly away from me making my clones all line up in a long straight line.
3. Once he was far away and his CD’s back up (eviscerate) he’d turn back around, run right past my clones which are all so strung out it’s pretty hopeless to shatter them on target.
4. Go fro another eviscerate attempt which were critting me for 15k+ health.
5. If the charge attempt got a good crit he’d finish me off. If I got him low he’d run again turning my clones into a train again basically making my clones useless.

This technique does require a large space but it’s not like mesmers do well fighting in small spaces anyways. The warrior hit so kitten ed hard if I ever got even close to him or made a single mistake he’d crit me so badly the ball would be in his court until I eventually couldnt evade or heal any longer. GG.

My only option was to kite him yet this warrior used my kiting against me by running my clones out into long lines.

One of the most powerless I’ve ever felt in Gw2.

FACT, clones can barely hit moving targets as shown in your video.

Mesmer main here,
I do agree to some extent that greatsword dps is really high considering its range, but really the only thing that needs nerfing for it are the air/fire procs (universal nerf) and maybe the spatial surge stow weapon “bug”. Mirror blade is really telegraphed and requires close range to do good dps. iBerserker is very easy to dodge. iWave is on high cd and usually used defensively. Mind Stab…meh. Staff is good for kiting and defense, but that’s about it. Sword puts the mesmer in dangerous positions. All the off-hand weapons are not even that good, torch is the least terrible, though iMage is probably the worst skill in the entire game. Mesmer needs to sacrifice most of his utility skills for defensive stun breakers. That is because the class and especially the paper thin zerker shatter mesmer revolves around active defense and damage mitigation. It’s actually very unforgiving.

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Tom Gore.4035:

I only hate mesmers because I can’t for the love of my life figure out how to fight them.

That’s the problem with the mesmer balancing.

The newbie players are getting confused by the clones and the teleport-mechanic, that the mesmer is too strong at the bottom tier.

But at some point, the players get better, don’t have that newbie problem anymore, figure out very easy where the mesmer is, and how to counter them, and then eat them for breakfast.

Well….I’ve been playing off and on for a while as a Thief and Ele, and the only way I can seem to beat them is to survive their burst somehow and then strike back. It always seems like the mesmer always gets the opening burst on me no matter what.

@ people crying about Mesmer

I can sympathise with the fact that people don’t like Mesmer from a game design standpoint, that is to say people dislike the fact that it’s a class built around AI clones. I get that, and I do agree that Warrior should be the mold to use when designing balanced classes – all skills are nicely telegraphed and straightforward, and barring healing signet there’s not too much passive nonsense going on. However, many of the complaints against Mesmer in this thread seem to represent the fabled 6/6/6/6/6 unicorn spec, which really undermines the argument and makes people come across as reets suffering from serious L2P issues.

Standard zerker shatter 4/4/0/0/6 has been around since 2012 and it’s still the most viable spec for high-end tPvP. And when I say viable, I mean that it is not really viable at all in the current meta of self-sustaining celestials. You have to be exceptionally skilled mechanically and especially in terms of positioning and timing to be effective as a Mesmer, which is why only a handful of players even attempt to run a comp with a Mesmer nowadays. A zerker shatter Mesmer is such food if he/she can’t kite and position properly, and hardly anyone plays Mesmer at the required level.

And as far as Mesmer specs built specifically around 1v1 duels go, those are only effective in bottom to mid-tier soloQ and useless in tPvP. Why would anyone seriously cry over those? You can run all kinds of gimmicky cancer on the duel servers and win 1v1s, but as far as overall balancing goes, Anet should balance around the current competitive format, which so happens to be conquest. And in the current conquest meta, Mesmer is definitely not OP.

Zaxares.5419:

“Every other profession is OP! Mine is OK.”

u forget L2P XD

theif, mes, necro, guardian are in good spots right now.

Ele/eng need some balancing, cele builds are way op.

Warrior is in a decent spot, imo slightly op, but not was bad as ele/eng

ranger is okay. Its very gimicky and lacks disengage. I would say, nerf dps but increase disengage options especially for the power builds.

I’m sorry, OP did you just complain about mesmers being OP?? All other classes ok ??????

Shatter mesmer will die to a weakest condi pressure and it is easy to find it among the clones. If you are unable to dodge/block the 3 bursts it can do its’ a L2P issue completely.

But srsly, other classes ok?!?!?
celestial d/d ele OK??
turret engi OK?????

I’ve repeated it many many times, hello0000oooo~~~~~~
NO class is OP, there is only OP skillful players.

To OP, with due respect, I think the main problem is that you are not familiar with the available Mesmer’s build at all. Play them, learn them, adapt and respond to their skills, etc. They drop like flies if you really learned them from toes to head. For me, shatter build mesmer are easy kill, condition bunker mesmer are the pain in the kitten .

Be keen on their breakstun skill (Blink,Decoy,Tele, Phase Retreat,F4), they are pretty much a free kill once they poped out all of those. Phase Retreat cool down is very low (10secs i think), dont burst them while knowing the skill are available.

Furthermore, they are the duelist of GW2, just look at their trait lol. If you lose to them 1v1, it is reasonable lol. Learned more and whine less.~~ pleaseeee

This thread says mesmers, rangers, thieves and warriors are op…

/closethread.

Mesmer is my main and I don’t consider it OP.
It’s very decent and somewhat in a good place when it comes to PvP finally.
This sounds to me like the standard “I don’t understand the class and how it does what it does so it’s OP, NERF IT!”

Once again, as a mesmer main player I can easily kill any other mesmer out there, why? Because I understand what they are capable of, where they can go and what the usual tactics are. I never lose sight of the real one at all. It’s a skill that comes to you when you learn what the class is capable of.

This thread also sounds like the old ones back in 2013 when PvPers who were getting destroyed by mesmers cause they didn’t even understand what mesmers do at all and then went to the forums to whine. So the devs nerfed mesmer so sooo hard. Don’t let that happen again.

I actually think mesmers need a bit of buffing.
Staff #3 Phantasmal Warlock needs some rework, sure he can hit hard but IF he hits. 70% of the time he does not.
Greatsword #3 Mind Stab also requires some work. It freezes you in place from time to time after you use it.
Torch #5 Phantasmal Mage. Not sure what other people feel about this but imo this skill can be removed completely from the game and I wouldn’t even care, something should change there
And don’t get me started on mesmer swiftness issues. Forced to take Rune of the Traveler or we’ll be slow as hell, and with that Rune we sacrifice a lot of burst potential since some other runes offer better choices.

Amir.1570:

People are surprisingly stupid if they think Mesmer is a hard mode class. They are either really scared to be proven wrong or just too simple minded and can’t comprehend simple analogies.

Once again, go play DPS Warrior or Fresh Air ele. You’ll come crawling back to your braindead class which spam blinds, invuln, and evades while I bait out your evades with phantasms and then Mirror Image shatter you when you run out of dodges.

Mesmer is THE most braindead glass cannon in the game, potentially more braindead than Ranger glass cannon which is another braindead spec because Ranger is easy mode too. I’ve already stated why, I don’t know why people refuse to understand why Mesmer isn’t hard at it’s current state. Like if you’re bad at Mesmer you are bad no matter what you do.

Seriously even Hambow or shoutbow isn’t that cancerous once you understand that hambow gets destroyed once Berserk Stance is down or shoutbow gets destroyed by chain CC once shake it off is down.

P.S Better pray that they don’t gut celestial Ele or Engi. Tone it down properly, but without care then the glass cannon meta will come back and prove how braindead Mesmer is.

P.S#2 I’ve played Mesmer, it isn’t that hard. Try again please. That’s how Mesmer works on the above post.

Best troll of 2015
Go play shatter mesmer for 50 rated games and come back to this post with the results. Put your money where your mouth is bro.
I’m betting you wont even get >50% win ratio

I’m just shaking my head. When I play Mesmer, a lot of my time is spent on survival. Occasional hard burst damage, yes. OP ? not by a long shot. Speaking of which, we ought to knock 25% off the ranger longbow AND their pet.

Like even glass cannon Necro Lich form has counterplay, all you do is stack focus ele and you win. You can even burst lich form before lich bursts you because guess what? At least Necro dodges can be counted.

Mesmer has way too many evades and boon stripping and ways to bait out YOUR evades before theirs run out. That’s why it’s so easy to play it.

#MesmereasiestspvpglasscannonGW2

Also I don’t know why people think Mesmer is in a bad spot. It’s not even THAT BAD compared to when they took away Frenzy from Warrior when that was the only thing they had going for them. I don’t understand why people want to be spoonfed even more with this easy class. Mesmer mains are pretty much a bunch of spoiled rich kids who can’t do crap the moment their privileges get taken away.

They were widely accepted as broken in the past, that doesn’t change right now.

Amir.1570:

Like even glass cannon Necro Lich form has counterplay, all you do is stack focus ele and you win. You can even burst lich form before lich bursts you because guess what? At least Necro dodges can be counted.

Mesmer has way too many evades and boon stripping and ways to bait out YOUR evades before theirs run out. That’s why it’s so easy to play it.

#MesmereasiestspvpglasscannonGW2

Also I don’t know why people think Mesmer is in a bad spot. It’s not even THAT BAD compared to when they took away Frenzy from Warrior when that was the only thing they had going for them. I don’t understand why people want to be spoonfed even more with this easy class. Mesmer mains are pretty much a bunch of spoiled rich kids who can’t do crap the moment their privileges get taken away.

They were widely accepted as broken in the past, that doesn’t change right now.

I like that you’re able to completely ignore 20+ people some of whom have been playing since launch and have 1000’s of hours played.

That’s a special kind of stubborn.

After I just explained how to handedly beat a mesmer every time, all the whiners ignored it. This is a flame post. Just some bottom-tier players whining because they don’t get the purple butterfly animation.

Stop trying to explain to them how to beat mesmers, they don’t want to learn; they want to complain.

Good news! You know how much ArenaNet pays attention to logicless, skillless whiners? About as much as the girls in their middle school.

To those on this forum page who cannot beat mesmers, I have bad news. Stop trying, you never will. You need to pay attention to the game to do that. Which – judging by this post – you are incapable of doing.