Guild Wars 2

I don’t understand why people think this class is hard. During launch, everyone agreed that Mesmer was broken. That hasn’t changed today and even in the Cele meta, it was only UP because the Cele classes were just as easy and more effective to play.

Now lets talk about mechanics. For starters? Mesmer has so many things that can bait/punish dodges. Mantra of Distraction, Shatter, Phantasms. ALL of those baits/punishes dodges easy. And guess what? Most of what Mesmer can do that is threatening is INSTANT CAST. That’s why if I random dodge and you don’t do anything crazy, I will die in the next few seconds because instant cast mechanics from Mesmer take no skill to land.

Now the next problem? They can do all of these things while spamming evades and stealth.

Portal plays? That’s just rotation awareness, ANYONE can apply rotation awareness to all class. It’s not something relevant to Mesmers only. Portal plays just make rotations EASIER. In which case, Mesmer is an easy class and I rest my case.

Mesmer isn’t hard to play people. Even Helseth is realistically just getting carried by easy mechanics. Decent player and all but my point is Mesmer can actually carry bad players because of how easy they bait dodges for no effort. NOW even thief can’t really counter a Mesmer 1v1.

TL;DR Mesmer is and was always an easy class even when thief countered them. The only time Mesmer will EVER be a skill-based class is if their evades get cut in half and they get something extremely telegraphed + rewarding.

Nier.8741:

I don’t understand why people think this class is hard. During launch, everyone agreed that Mesmer was broken. That hasn’t changed today and even in the Cele meta, it was only UP because the Cele classes were just as easy and more effective to play.

Now lets talk about mechanics. For starters? Mesmer has so many things that can bait/punish dodges. Mantra of Distraction, Shatter, Phantasms. ALL of those baits/punishes dodges easy. And guess what? Most of what Mesmer can do that is threatening is INSTANT CAST. That’s why if I random dodge and you don’t do anything crazy, I will die in the next few seconds because instant cast mechanics from Mesmer take no skill to land.

Now the next problem? They can do all of these things while spamming evades and stealth.

Portal plays? That’s just rotation awareness, ANYONE can apply rotation awareness to all class. It’s not something relevant to Mesmers only. Portal plays just make rotations EASIER. In which case, Mesmer is an easy class and I rest my case.

Mesmer isn’t hard to play people. Even Helseth is realistically just getting carried by easy mechanics. Decent player and all but my point is Mesmer can actually carry bad players because of how easy they bait dodges for no effort. NOW even thief can’t really counter a Mesmer 1v1.

TL;DR Mesmer is and was always an easy class even when thief countered them. The only time Mesmer will EVER be a skill-based class is if their evades get cut in half and they get something extremely telegraphed + rewarding.

A “never” coming from someone not even appearing on pre 16 dec leaderboards actually sounds quite funny…yeah i checked cause even if your total ignorance is quite obvious it’s always better to confirm

But nvm…go on…and just for fun, which classes/specs, in your opinion, take more skill than shatter mesmer? I’m pretty curious now

_"Mesmer never took skill to begin with"

Compared to…?

Regardless, a lot of people would disagree. I for one tried shoutbow, ele, engi, and guard. The Mesmer was a tougher class to play but hey, that’s just me.

Thats not how I remembered mesmers.

I think when you face higher level opponents, you will notice that you’re easy bursts will not be so easy to land. And that you are not allowed to freely roam the map as you desire. Panic Strike is waiting for you around every corner. And only your wasted easy rotation portal can save you, as long as you are not already dead before it can be used.
(And as long its not 3 meters away from your original portal)

Surely, you must’ve noticed how Mesmer is so easy now. But I remember the old days when Mesmer was actually skillfull. Not just easymode.

I am going to take a wild guess and say OP is a Warrior main.

And still keep in mind mesmer can’t hold points (Expec now with longer stealth)…and it’s a huge flaw in conquest that forces you to play only as a roamer or (At best) decapper, since if you want to hold you always need someone on point cause mesmer needs to kite in order to survive, if you don’t kite you’re a dead mesmer walking…there’s a reason why celestial specs are kings of conquest…celestials can roam, decap, work really good in teamfight and are still are really strong in 1v1 too while holding.
Mesmers (Except for the occasional 1v1 push) are usually forced into roamer’s role and they’re built for it (Go in, unload everything on targets and go out and kite around until spike is out of cd again)…pretty much like thieves

Talking about high level real world pvp ofc…not helseth going far and holding it vs a bunch of suicidal pve heroes coming on forums right after with something like “I can’t dodge mirror blade and i ate the whole 10k burst…mesmer op qq plz nerf”

Side note: i’m warrior main

I dont know why am I even replying to this hyperbolic thread full of blatant lies….

The reason mesmer is considered a high skill class is because a) you’re usually on a paper thin glass build because that is the only way you can do any sort of mildly decent damage, which in turn requires constant kiting during which you cant do damage.

Which brings me to b) Mesmers damage is one the most telegraphed since it takes clones and phantasms to hit and shatter. The only instant thing is just now after patch the instant stun from traited MoD, which I do agree is a little on the stronger side and needs nerfing. But even that is just a set up for damage which again, is usually very hard to land with enemies moving, blocking, dodging and clones dying to random AoEs…

And yes our dodges did get cut due to vigor nerf…

Interesting, I thought something drastic had changed since the last time I played considering a large portion of mesmer players seemed to be implying they had it rough the last few years. I finally got around to running a mesmer before I left to see what the hype was about, was pretty disappointed at how simplistic it felt and how easy they juked. I’m sure there is a difference in playing a mesmer at a high rank ; but the same thing can be said for any profession. I personally find managing an Ele far more difficult to play well than I did a mesmer.

/shrug – Interesting thread.

Mesmers were fine, greatly awarded for skillful play.
However they were locked to a single viable burst build, which is now made almost baseline.
So after the patch they got more damage (so did everyone) and can grab PU for the longest stealth uptime in the game whilst not being as affected by the defensive trait stats some other professions relied upon.

How to make them less forgiving and awarding for good plays:
1. Set their health on par with elem, guard and thieves.
2. Reduce the increased stealth uptime gained from PU, half would do.

*Note bout point #2;
No body asked for that insane stealth uptime, not even the mesmers and some of them already admits that they nerfed the wrong stuff after patch, namely condi stacks.

Fix PU, set their HP on par with thieves/ele/guard = Mesmers are fine!

As a long time Mesmer main there’s a couple of things I think need to be changed to sort the current Mesmers out, however the rest of your post, was absolutely hilariously inaccurate.

Noha.3749:

Mesmers were fine, greatly awarded for skillful play.
However they were locked to a single viable burst build, which is now made almost baseline.
So after the patch they got more damage (so did everyone) and can grab PU for the longest stealth uptime in the game whilst not being as affected by the defensive trait stats some other professions relied upon.

How to make them less forgiving and awarding for good plays:
1. Set their health on par with elem, guard and thieves.
2. Reduce the increased stealth uptime gained from PU, half would do.

*Note bout point #2;
No body asked for that insane stealth uptime, not even the mesmers and some of them already admits that they nerfed the wrong stuff after patch, namely condi stacks.

Fix PU, set their HP on par with thieves/ele/guard = Mesmers are fine!

I’m not even playing pu…i run with immob on rupt, pu is gay u.u

what are people jabbering about mesmer’s instant cast’s, instant this, instant that. Only the mantra’s can be argued to be cast instantly and that is assuming you don’t run out of them and are left wide open for an counter play in which you have to recharge them in battle mind you, wich considering mesmer’s squishyness and overall lack of stability is quite a gamble you are making.

I haven’t seen many people actually bieng baited by mantra’s espically since the offensive ones are mantra of pain which on it’s own is garbage and mantra of distraction which is often used in a chain combo.

How the hell do shatters punish bait /dodges any more then any other form of attack? shatters are often used for burst damage. be it condition or pure dps.

And no mesmers do not spam evades, rangers have the evades. the only evade u can argue a mesmer have are distortion which has quite a cd. 50 sec roughly and granted u can have certain traits that decrease illulsion attacks. but that is often at the cost of you reaching a certain hp treshold or sword skill number 4.

But if you are talking about for example skills or moves that allow you to actually take either no damage through a block, dodge or some kind of invulnerability. one can argue even warriors and guardians, have quite lot of those as well. how many blocks and blinds doesn’t a guardian have? A warrior has shield block with a 25 to 30 sec cd, gs skill number 3, gs skill number 5 is also often used for disengage, sometimes even hammer f1, then you have endure pain. u talk as if mesmers can Always dodge while you yourself are sitting duck.

If you are talking about a mesmer wich can spam evades, u can count in blink, distortion, sword skill number 4,focus torch skill number 4, staff skill number 2, decoy and i think glamour skill and elite skill(forgot the name) that grants max stealth. then yes a mesmer is can spam evades but that is so unlikely. it’d be an purely highly unbalanced mesmer, with little to no cc whatsoever, or any stunbreak or condi cleanse whatsoever. all it can do is just stealth and use it weaponskills to attack. U’d have to be an idiot to create an mesmer like that.

Mesmer indeed take skills to be made use of as it’s primary way of attacking is true clones. it can hardly attack u directly which means it’s attacks are telegraphed.

the mesmer and it’s stealth can be a tricky part indeed. but what you can do in stealth is either save up your blocks, or invulnerables or your evasive manouvres or, either just disengage and go out of it’s line of sight. most pvp environments aren’t exactly mesmer friendly in that regard but allow classes with less mobility to actual have an viable way to evade mesmer bursts.

The only thing I find slightly absurd about mesmer is the potential amount of stealth they could use if traited for it with the right utility and weapon. Their dmg is kinda cray when traited to go full man mode, but common now we do need at least one profession who can go all in and destroy a bunker fairly quickly.

If a full man mode shatter bursts you out of stealth by blinking ontop of you, mirror blading your kitten right before using a dodge plus mirrored images for a 3x mind wrack, then hes a pretty vulnerable mesmer after that.

Grimreaper.5370:

The only thing I find slightly absurd about mesmer is the potential amount of stealth they could use if traited for it with the right utility and weapon. Their dmg is kinda cray when traited to go full man mode, but common now we do need at least one profession who can go all in and destroy a bunker fairly quickly.

No we don’t, otherwise there is no point to bunker.

Right now mesmer is in a low skill place. Where it was before has no meaning right now.

That being said I’d like to see them brought in line

Noha.3749:

Mesmers were fine, greatly awarded for skillful play.
However they were locked to a single viable burst build, which is now made almost baseline.
So after the patch they got more damage (so did everyone) and can grab PU for the longest stealth uptime in the game whilst not being as affected by the defensive trait stats some other professions relied upon.

How to make them less forgiving and awarding for good plays:
1. Set their health on par with elem, guard and thieves.
2. Reduce the increased stealth uptime gained from PU, half would do.

*Note bout point #2;
No body asked for that insane stealth uptime, not even the mesmers and some of them already admits that they nerfed the wrong stuff after patch, namely condi stacks.

Fix PU, set their HP on par with thieves/ele/guard = Mesmers are fine!

sorry,

Mesmers were NOT fine before the june 23rd balance patch, it was not part of the meta due to the hard-counter of thief class. Landing a burst requires lots of planning and coordination and even in a organized team, it requires a lot of babysitting by team mates to peel for the mesmer in order to be productive. On a equal skill level, thief will win majority of the match vs a Mesmer and pretty much render having the class in any match a less rewarding team mate compare to other classes.

Morwath.9817:

Grimreaper.5370:

The only thing I find slightly absurd about mesmer is the potential amount of stealth they could use if traited for it with the right utility and weapon. Their dmg is kinda cray when traited to go full man mode, but common now we do need at least one profession who can go all in and destroy a bunker fairly quickly.

No we don’t, otherwise there is no point to bunker.

Are you aware of how vulnerable a full on shatter build is once they blow their wombo combo? If they mess up a huge combo to bust out enough dmg to destroy a bunker in a matter of seconds then they very well may just become fodder if the enemy team jumps them afterwards.

This is a clear troll post. Mesmer has been underpowered literally for years. The OP is simply not used to Mesmers not being an easy kill.

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Yes the damage is more. But not as much as people are making it out to be. Mesmer is not perma stealthing while doing this much damage. Why? Because the trait for permastealth completely competes for damage bonuses in the same trait tier. The interrupt build is actually much less survivable than before, and a shatter build completely depends on you standing there sitting on your hands doing absolutely nothing to avoid the burst.

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

So yesh sure mesmer is totally Op. Just keep telling yourself that.

Well said +1 ^^^

jportell.2197:

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Think it’s hard for a mesmer to prevent its target from pressing any skills and standing still? I wouldn’t say so.

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

You’re talking about an interrupt build. Yes, interrupt hits like a truck “if” it’s timed right.

Yes it dies very fast too.

Remember, interrupt only works when you channel a skill. It takes real skill on the part of the Mesmer to pick the right moment to interrupt and have clones ready to shatter. I have no problem with that being rewarded, even though I’ve been power slammed a couple of times.

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Think it’s hard for a mesmer to prevent its target from pressing any skills and standing still? I wouldn’t say so.

If u break the stun or dodge (yes it’s easy to predict when they will be using mantra of distraction on you.)

And as far as catching somone the only class in game mesmer has ever been able to catch was maybe necros.

You main ele, I know you do. Your class is prolly having the least amount of trouble right now with mesmers. And if you actually are. Then. Lol

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

Teams that have won most major tournaments? Lol no.

jportell.2197:

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Think it’s hard for a mesmer to prevent its target from pressing any skills and standing still? I wouldn’t say so.

If u break the stun or dodge (yes it’s easy to predict when they will be using mantra of distraction on you.)

And as far as catching somone the only class in game mesmer has ever been able to catch was maybe necros.

You main ele, I know you do. Your class is prolly having the least amount of trouble right now with mesmers. And if you actually are. Then. Lol

It’s easy to predict an instant skill that will be casted on you to interrupt something if the mesmer is knowing what he’s doing? Please teach me.

The amount of cc mesmer has is way more than anyone can have stunbreaks, I don’t really see your point there. If you’re patient enough, you’ll be able to bait out stunbreaks and then burst them down.

Yes, I play ele mostly. However, I play zerker fresh air and nope it’s not really that easy to deal with mesmers atm. Maybe ele has the least issues, but that doesn’t make it any easier.

jportell.2197:

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

Teams that have won most major tournaments? Lol no.

Mesmers are part of EU meta since soooo long time.
Mesmers were used in nearly each game played by TCG or 55HP Monks and sometimes by other teams. That would mean Mesmers were more meta than Shoutbow for pretty long time, right?

the spike damage mesmers are able to do and go in and out of stealth is stupid op. i don’t give a f if you think its not. Coupled with engie nade, and ele dmg, I am lost all interest in this game. No reason to play unless you’re one of anets wonder classes.

Don’t care if you agree or not.

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Think it’s hard for a mesmer to prevent its target from pressing any skills and standing still? I wouldn’t say so.

If u break the stun or dodge (yes it’s easy to predict when they will be using mantra of distraction on you.)

And as far as catching somone the only class in game mesmer has ever been able to catch was maybe necros.

You main ele, I know you do. Your class is prolly having the least amount of trouble right now with mesmers. And if you actually are. Then. Lol

It’s easy to predict an instant skill that will be casted on you to interrupt something if the mesmer is knowing what he’s doing? Please teach me.

The amount of cc mesmer has is way more than anyone can have stunbreaks, I don’t really see your point there. If you’re patient enough, you’ll be able to bait out stunbreaks and then burst them down.

Yes, I play ele mostly. However, I play zerker fresh air and nope it’s not really that easy to deal with mesmers atm. Maybe ele has the least issues, but that doesn’t make it any easier.

Wait wait. So you run a full glass one shot build (that is now more survivable than before) and you are whining about another one shot build? Lolol

Also S/f or S/d. If its S/f i cant even begin to think what you are doing wrong especially with obsidian flesh.

Speaking of fresh air…. isnt that the king of instant cast over the top damge skills? Yeah. I thought so

jportell.2197:

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Think it’s hard for a mesmer to prevent its target from pressing any skills and standing still? I wouldn’t say so.

If u break the stun or dodge (yes it’s easy to predict when they will be using mantra of distraction on you.)

And as far as catching somone the only class in game mesmer has ever been able to catch was maybe necros.

You main ele, I know you do. Your class is prolly having the least amount of trouble right now with mesmers. And if you actually are. Then. Lol

It’s easy to predict an instant skill that will be casted on you to interrupt something if the mesmer is knowing what he’s doing? Please teach me.

The amount of cc mesmer has is way more than anyone can have stunbreaks, I don’t really see your point there. If you’re patient enough, you’ll be able to bait out stunbreaks and then burst them down.

Yes, I play ele mostly. However, I play zerker fresh air and nope it’s not really that easy to deal with mesmers atm. Maybe ele has the least issues, but that doesn’t make it any easier.

Wait wait. So you run a full glass one shot build (that is now more survivable than before) and you are whining about another one shot build? Lolol

Also S/f or S/d. If its S/f i cant even begin to think what you are doing wrong especially with obsidian flesh.

Speaking of fresh air…. isnt that the king of instant cast over the top damge skills? Yeah. I thought so

Nope, I’m not complaining. I’m simply saying that it’s not hard for a mesmer to cc someone.

Yep, some of the skills are instant (air #2, air #3, air swap). Although, you definitely do not have as many defenses as a mesmer no matter if it’s s/d or s/f.

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

So I went back and looked for the teams that placed in the TOL world series.

Maybe I missed the memo, cause I didnt see mesmer in every team.

Solori.6025:

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

So I went back and looked for the teams that placed in the TOL world series.

Maybe I missed the memo, cause I didnt see mesmer in every team.

Isn’t TOL NA+EU…?
Mesmers weren’t played by NA teams at all in half year, thats because NA is so behind meta wise…

I wonder when people will realize that Mesmer (supported by Thief) was the best answer to Celestial meta.

Archaon.9524:

Noha.3749:

Mesmers were fine, greatly awarded for skillful play.
However they were locked to a single viable burst build, which is now made almost baseline.
So after the patch they got more damage (so did everyone) and can grab PU for the longest stealth uptime in the game whilst not being as affected by the defensive trait stats some other professions relied upon.

How to make them less forgiving and awarding for good plays:
1. Set their health on par with elem, guard and thieves.
2. Reduce the increased stealth uptime gained from PU, half would do.

*Note bout point #2;
No body asked for that insane stealth uptime, not even the mesmers and some of them already admits that they nerfed the wrong stuff after patch, namely condi stacks.

Fix PU, set their HP on par with thieves/ele/guard = Mesmers are fine!

I’m not even playing pu…i run with immob on rupt, pu is gay u.u

Hey, hey, hey! PU is proudly homosexual, but I don’t see how that is relevant.

Morwath.9817:

Solori.6025:

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

So I went back and looked for the teams that placed in the TOL world series.

Maybe I missed the memo, cause I didnt see mesmer in every team.

Isn’t TOL NA+EU…?
Mesmers weren’t played by NA teams at all in half year, thats because NA is so behind meta wise…

I wonder when people will realize that Mesmer (supported by Thief) was the best answer to Celestial meta.

Didn’t NA, which ran no mesmers, beat EU in the WTS?

ResJudicator.7916:

Morwath.9817:

Solori.6025:

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

So I went back and looked for the teams that placed in the TOL world series.

Maybe I missed the memo, cause I didnt see mesmer in every team.

Isn’t TOL NA+EU…?
Mesmers weren’t played by NA teams at all in half year, thats because NA is so behind meta wise…

I wonder when people will realize that Mesmer (supported by Thief) was the best answer to Celestial meta.

Didn’t NA, which ran no mesmers, beat EU in the WTS?

Abjured got wrecked 2:0 by oRNG. However I don’t remember oRNG running Mesmer ever (with exception of last week when Frostball played instead of ROM).

The thing about this thread.. Is that it’s mostly talking about 1v1s, is filled with over exaggerations, and is only talking about one specific build.

…And it comes from a non-Mesmer.

/two-finger clap

Like think about it, when a Thief is spamming evades, can they actually take away 10k hp?

Think of it this way, will you be able to get a Mesmer to use a defensive utility before you burn YOUR defensive utility?

The answer probably is.. you can’t unless you’re a Thief. They have instant cast mechanics that make it hard to catch them in the first place. Too much counter pressure, instant cast punish, and evades in one class.

How is that hard again? Like even when Mesmer had no condi clear back then, they had the tools to not get caught in the first place.

But now? That’s even easier because Mesmer has actual condi clear and now the only thing that can get to them is POWER damage, which they have plenty of mitigation towards.

Oh god, I hope the whiners don’t team up with the elitists to try and get mesmers nerfed into the ground. Whiners call anything that isn’t their own class OP or that is hard for them to deal with in their cookie-cutter build, and the recent changes seem to have brought out mesmer elitists that picked the class because it was an underdog at the time that rarely saw competitive play and now they’re mad that it is more new player friendly. Mesmer still has an incredibly high skill cap. There is just so much you can do now to add depth to your playstyle. A well played mesmer is incredibly interactive and honestly most people watching probably wouldn’t be aware of the reasoning for each play as they all happen rather fast.

Unfortunately, when people complain about mesmers, they seem to go all out and assume some magical build with 6 utility slots and 5 trait lines. For the longest time, the only condi removal most mesmers ran was a single utility slot. Anet has outright stated that a mesmer’s main defense should be not getting hit in the first place, hence the dominance of blink, decoy and phase retreat.

I personally advise everyone who hasn’t already to give mesmer a try. Once you’ve played one seriously for a while, fighting them becomes so much easier.

Amir.1570:

Like think about it, when a Thief is spamming evades, can they actually take away 10k hp?

Of course. That’s exactly why SD thief hard hard counters mesmer.

Amir.1570:

Like think about it, when a Thief is spamming evades, can they actually take away 10k hp?

Seeing as the main DPS rotation for S/D thief is auto attack until they attack, at which point you use flanking strike, yes. Evades are literally built into their dps. Of course, a thief spamming flanking strike is going to be out of initiative very quickly, so if the thief is good, they’ll only use it when they need the dodge. And if the thief is great, they’ll know exactly when they need the dodge, making it seem to other person that they’re spamming evades since every attack gets evaded. Annoying feeling to fight against, but requires you to make on the fly risk management decisions.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

The thing about this thread.. Is that it’s mostly talking about 1v1s, is filled with over exaggerations, and is only talking about one specific build.

…And it comes from a non-Mesmer.

/two-finger clap

Also, you could make a thread like this for any class and get just as much attention. I’m actually surprised that a thread that is clearly designed to engage in and attract hostility is still open.

DaShi.1368:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

The thing about this thread.. Is that it’s mostly talking about 1v1s, is filled with over exaggerations, and is only talking about one specific build.

…And it comes from a non-Mesmer.

/two-finger clap

Also, you could make a thread like this for any class and get just as much attention. I’m actually surprised that a thread that is clearly designed to engage in and attract hostility is still open.

….I’m so gonna try it. BRB

DaShi.1368:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

The thing about this thread.. Is that it’s mostly talking about 1v1s, is filled with over exaggerations, and is only talking about one specific build.

…And it comes from a non-Mesmer.

/two-finger clap

Also, you could make a thread like this for any class and get just as much attention. I’m actually surprised that a thread that is clearly designed to engage in and attract hostility is still open.

I tried it….I don’t see hostilities yet :I

Solori.6025:

DaShi.1368:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

The thing about this thread.. Is that it’s mostly talking about 1v1s, is filled with over exaggerations, and is only talking about one specific build.

…And it comes from a non-Mesmer.

/two-finger clap

Also, you could make a thread like this for any class and get just as much attention. I’m actually surprised that a thread that is clearly designed to engage in and attract hostility is still open.

I tried it….I don’t see hostilities yet :I

That is because like 70% of players judge balance from a 1v1 vacuum based on mechanical prowess, and completely ignore the other huge side of balance.

Conquest.

Some things like Pew pew longbow ranger are strong 1v1, so much so they flood duel servers. Yet, I am sure many would argue they are kitten in actual competitive conquest that is premade vs premade.

I just mean, there is more than one aspect of balance to a game, but all people ever focus on usually is the mechanical side in a “If I 1v1’d this class, would I be able to win? Hmmm..”

Based on your limited knowledge of the game, I can only pray to Kormir that you are blessed with the blinding truth of light when it comes to the Mesmer class. SIGH

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.