Guild Wars 2

Lol dude even if an ele did take that skill, which would not be a good idea for several reasons, you aren’t going to be in fire attunement long enough to see 20 seconds of burning being stacked on one target or some other fantasy scenario of fire and brimstone. Even if you did eles don’t have skills that proc multiple attacks at once in scepter or dagger, like Pistol Whip or Hundred Blades.

I have never leveled an ele past 10 and i know of at least one.

Iceshards – Fires 3 iceshards

jmatb.6307:

Xsorus.2507:

jmatb.6307:

Xsorus.2507:

jmatb.6307:

It gets worse when these types of specs are used offensively as well. A spirit ranger spreads burns through their sun spirit, and the burns from necros through Dhuumfire make it where you cleanse burn and you get another 10 seconds of it. All through traits and utilities you set and forget.

That is garbage and anybody with a pulse and awareness of basic targeting can be successful that way. It is more effective than what an entire professions, with all their tools, brings to the table, and they didn’t earn it.

Rofl, the fact that you think Those 3 classes aren’t passive in most of things they do is kind of hilarious

Not only do they get most of their boons by doing nothing but using skills they’d normally use, they get a bunch of freebies as well.

Elementalist for example..

Elemental Attunement

You get that just by swapping attunements which you’ll always do, It’d be like if I got protection every time I told my pet to retreat or fury every time I told it to attack.

Renewing Stamina, hey here is free vigor whenever you crit.

Evasive Arcana, again.. Passive Effects for doing something you’d normally be doing anyway, No thought to it.

Glyph of Elemental power is basically Sun Spirit in every way.

Evasive Arcana has a price. If you evade in water, a patient, good player is going to dump all their damage on you as soon as you switch out. It is very strong, but it is not God Mode. Evasive Arcana types of skills are much more interesting and better than % increases to damage or toughness.

I completely agree with Renewing Vigor. It makes it stupid to take another trait, although there are other passive choices there that are just as cheesy. Free Arcane Shield for getting low on health.

You only get burning from fire attunement skills at a 25% chance, and on top of it, that skill is terrrible to bring in comparison to Arcane Shield, Armor of Earth, or Mist Form. It’s a better skill to use as preparation rather than reacting, which makes it a bad stun break choice imo.

I am not on a vendetta for Rangers. Eles have a degree of passive play that makes them cheesy too. Signet of Restoration never needs to be used and returns much more as a skill than it ought to. It’s pretty dumb not to run SoResto as an Ele, which is something I don’t like about it.

Every class has these kinds of problems, and they encourage cookie cutter copy+pasting that limits creativity and narrows the metagame.

Spirits have a price, a good patient player will just dump on your pets soon as they spawn completely removing them from the fight.

You only get Burning if you use Burning Skills in a Burning Tree at 25% on something that can’t be killed? Gee….That’s terrible… Oh and don’t get me started on the whole “And you’d never take that because this is so much better routine” The fact that you have better abilities doesn’t negate the fact you can get something very similar to Spirits that promotes passive play.

Your posts talk about the passive play of other classes, while completely ignoring all the stupid little passive play of other classes you just happen to play, which screams of Bias.

Lol dude even if an ele did take that skill, which would not be a good idea for several reasons, you aren’t going to be in fire attunement long enough to see 20 seconds of burning being stacked on one target or some other fantasy scenario of fire and brimstone. Even if you did eles don’t have skills that proc multiple attacks at once in scepter or dagger, like Pistol Whip or Hundred Blades.

Those types of skills favor stuff that hits multiple times really fast like either bow on Ranger, GS on Warrior, etc.

I’ve already said that passive play on all classes ought to be addressed if you’re just reading what you want to see that’s not my problem.

Sun Spirit has a bloody 10 ICD, Multiple Attacks do nothing for Sun Spirit.

Now if you’re talking a bleed build sure.. but sun spirit no..

Also 20 seconds of Burning…Seriously? That’s like complaining of having a Minute of Poison on you (Which is very possible and very easy to do with a Thief).

Chances are it’ll be cured before it reaches the bloody 10 second mark, let alone 20 seconds (in which case you deserve to die)

milo.6942:

then I think this is not the game for you.
i’m not trying to be mean, but this game clearly caters to pve casuals and the spill-over into pvp is so enormous the devs won’t even try to clean it up.

Casual friendly OR esports. Chose one anet, coming form gw1 i would suggest the second but since you seem to care more bout money and pve than good pvp i have no hopes on that…at the end of the day kittening chose one option and delete the other already. Casual esport game is not possible.

Ok just looked at the patch notes I really like them!

Rangers actually have incentive to play something that isn’t kittened passive anymore! The GS, Longbow, and Axe offhand changes really improve the class overall I can actually respect them now.

Warriors finally got the buff they needed for their sustain! It’s about kitten time that’s been a LONG time coming.

Thank you Anet for moving Greater Marks that was huge. Now they either have to give up weakness or burning crit traits to get their big marks.

Meditation Guard looks pretty interesting I think I’m gonna run that when I get my Magus title. Guard symbols are frickin HUGE now though… idk if I like that yet.

Ele team res at the same cast time as Undeath signet = clutch. I am definitely bringing that now I’ve always wanted to b/c ranged res in water for a full heal is so awesome.

I think Ranger was just improved drastically by this patch and they deserve it. They were the kitten dependent cripples and now they can FINALLY do something besides evade spam and pew pew

jmatb.6307:

Ok just looked at the patch notes I really like them!

Rangers actually have incentive to play something that isn’t kittened passive anymore! The GS, Longbow, and Axe offhand changes really improve the class overall I can actually respect them now.

Warriors finally got the buff they needed for their sustain! It’s about kitten time that’s been a LONG time coming.

Thank you Anet for moving Greater Marks that was huge. Now they either have to give up weakness or burning crit traits to get their big marks.

Meditation Guard looks pretty interesting I think I’m gonna run that when I get my Magus title. Guard symbols are frickin HUGE now though… idk if I like that yet.

Ele team res at the same cast time as Undeath signet = clutch. I am definitely bringing that now I’ve always wanted to b/c ranged res in water for a full heal is so awesome.

I think Ranger was just improved drastically by this patch and they deserve it. They were the kitten dependent cripples and now they can FINALLY do something besides evade spam and pew pew

Yep now we can play LB/GS Signet build… Signet=Spirits in terms of passive+active. So if anything they gave us a viable Power build.

Ya Ranger becoming more aggressive and active is great for the game as a whole. I don’t even care if they over tuned them for being aggressive, at least Rangers don’t have to just sit on a point the entire match.

Well the pin up boys for passive play haven’t changed their build and Sol is still spirit camping, wiping drool off his keyboard.

Class acts running your mouths against a 4v5 yolo queue. Das Cheese all class

jmatb.6307:

Well the pin up boys for passive play haven’t changed their build and Sol is still spirit camping, wiping drool off his keyboard.

Class acts running your mouths against a 4v5 yolo queue. Das Cheese all class

swiftpaw you have played a total

of 46 tpvp matches

you have no place in this discussion except to read man

jmatb.6307:

swiftpaw you have played a total

of 46 tpvp matches

you have no place in this discussion except to read man

I’m not a man, and also it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know when someone is crying

I don’t know how many matches you’ve been in where a premade dumps all over a shorthanded team, but since Anet has a dishonored punishment system coming I think it might give a hint of how lopsided those matches are.

What can you possibly contribute to this discussion with that little experience in pvp? Gifs and kitten comments based on no experience are a waste of yours and anyone else’s time who reads your ignorant garbage

And then to run their mouth against that team, because they’re kitten that someone calls out their build that requires no skill whatsoever, when the other team is shorthanded and unorganized is pathetic. Das Goon is a joke.

jmatb.6307:

I don’t know how many matches you’ve been in where a premade dumps all over a shorthanded team, but since Anet has a dishonored punishment system coming I think it might give a hint of how lopsided those matches are.

What can you possibly contribute to this discussion with that little experience in pvp? Gifs and kitten comments based on no experience are a waste of yours and anyone else’s time who reads your ignorant garbage

This is why your thread is not getting taken seriously. You are getting emotionally involved. I thought I was doing you a by service letting you know.

Not only this, but I happen to play a ranger, and I’m sure that’s 40 or so more tourny’s on ranger that I’ve done than you, so I suppose you could say I have more experience with the topic at hand than you yourself do if you want to use such poor logic. Not that it matters of course, the number of tourney’s played doesn’t really mean anything, it’s just the only thing you have left to distract from your already poor argument.

While I may sit here and laugh at you for getting upset and making rather hilarious arguments, I’m not here to call you ignorant, or attack you for how many tourney’s you have done. You are here to make an argument (which isn’t getting taken seriously), I’m just here for the entertainment.

The number of tourneys you’ve played shows what you know about this game’s PvP. There are so many things you have no idea about in PvP that take time and experience to learn. You saying that just proves my point.

I’ve played 13 tpvp games on ranger and more than 100 on hotjoins. I know the class well enough, especially after facing it thousands of times to be able to articulate its problems and respect its strengths.

You speak in generalities and provide no specific examples of how ranger is played skillfully. I’m talking about how the spirits are given incentive to set and forget, and using the skills when you have a window is literally just spamming three buttons in a row. You can hotkey it where you put them next to each other on the keyboard, push one key and roll your finger to the right or left, spam your weapon skills, and you’ve mastered spirit ranger.

That is complete bullkitten. You don’t learn how wrong that is in 46 matches. You learn that in almost two thousand tournament matches playing four different classes, learning and experimenting with it in every way you can try. You learn it by playing in organized matches at very high levels of play in structured PvP, which there is a huge thread going on about in the Current State of the Meta.

You simply have no idea what you’re talking about and no amount of pictures and psychological analysis is ever going to change that until you get that experience. You are not just ignorant, you think you aren’t.

Just. leave.

jmatb.6307:

Just. leave.

No.

swiftpaw.6397:

jmatb.6307:

I don’t know how many matches you’ve been in where a premade dumps all over a shorthanded team, but since Anet has a dishonored punishment system coming I think it might give a hint of how lopsided those matches are.

What can you possibly contribute to this discussion with that little experience in pvp? Gifs and kitten comments based on no experience are a waste of yours and anyone else’s time who reads your ignorant garbage

This is why your thread is not getting taken seriously. You are getting emotionally involved. I thought I was doing you a by service letting you know.

Not only this, but I happen to play a ranger, and I’m sure that’s 40 or so more tourny’s on ranger that I’ve done than you, so I suppose you could say I have more experience with the topic at hand than you yourself do if you want to use such poor logic. Not that it matters of course, the number of tourney’s played doesn’t really mean anything, it’s just the only thing you have left to distract from your already poor argument.

While I may sit here and laugh at you for getting upset and making rather hilarious arguments, I’m not here to call you ignorant, or attack you for how many tourney’s you have done. You are here to make an argument (which isn’t getting taken seriously), I’m just here for the entertainment.

Nah Spirit Rangers pretty OP. Support + Sustain + DPS in one package is pretty fun to deal with (sarcasm). I don’t mind the challenge, but it’s pretty weird when a class just has to run around auto-attacking to win or hold off long enough for someone to come in and insta-kill you (but usually that’s not necessary). Passive traits will never teach a person skill. A skill shouldn’t have the ability to empower all nearby allies and have active skills while being active on a somewhat 24/7 battle prescence. Sure, they are killable, but the time it takes you to take care of them will allow the other person + their pet wailing on you to have a good head start in the 1v1. Rangers don’t need utilities when they have dodges on at least 3 weapon sets that are highly viable let alone their pet chasing you down with useful f3 skills on hand.

If you want to make silly claims, prove them. Instead you come on here and cry about it to no end, and then attack anyone who doesn’t agree with you. People have discussed counters but you ignore them.

The only argument you have is ’I’ve played more than you! so I know better!’
I just cannot stop laughing.

The best thing you can do is change your build and tactics and go kill them. That build is faceroll, no one’s arguing against that but it’s not OP. The build is easy to run and people become overly comfortable.. they don’t notice the rug slipping out from under them when the spirits are dead and they are cc locked.

swiftpaw.6397:

If you want to make silly claims, prove them. Instead you come on here and cry about it to no end, and then attack anyone who doesn’t agree with you. People have discussed counters but you ignore them.

The only argument you have is ’I’ve played more than you! so I know better!’
I just cannot stop laughing.

I never said that lol. I don’t know what’s more silly, a pve person talking about pvp matchups or me making a claim based off experience. Whether there is a counter or not it’s very slim and one build shouldn’t have to force someone to have to hard counter 1 specific guy on the team—at least on a tpvp queue (I’m not talking about tournaments where you know who you are facing). How do I know if this ranger runs spirits? Just in case? Nah, there should be some balances in that build or remove it totally. AIs are a cool concept but it’s not really competitive when their is no micro involved.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

swiftpaw.6397:

If you want to make silly claims, prove them. Instead you come on here and cry about it to no end, and then attack anyone who doesn’t agree with you. People have discussed counters but you ignore them.

The only argument you have is ’I’ve played more than you! so I know better!’
I just cannot stop laughing.

I never said that lol. I don’t know what’s more silly, a pve person talking about pvp matchups or me making a claim based off experience. Whether there is a counter or not it’s very slim and one build shouldn’t have to force someone to have to hard counter 1 specific guy on the team—at least on a tpvp queue (I’m not talking about tournaments where you know who you are facing). How do I know if this ranger runs spirits? Just in case? Nah, there should be some balances in that build or remove it totally. AIs are a cool concept but it’s not really competitive when their is no micro involved.

Probably because I’m not talking to you >_>

Either way, all this thread consists of is ‘I don’t want to change anything! Those rangers are the ones who should be changed!’

He would be better off just trying to counter it before complaining. I face other spirit rangers and they are a tough cookie, but it’s very satisfying to kill them because I changed the way I played.

swiftpaw.6397:

Probably because I’m not talking to you >_>

Either way, all this thread consists of is ‘I don’t want to change anything! Those rangers are the ones who should be changed!’

He would be better off just trying to counter it before complaining. I face other spirit rangers and they are a tough cookie, but it’s very satisfying to kill them because I changed the way I played.

Good to know Anet decided to drop the active skill based play of GW1 for this demographic. Wouldn’t want to alienate all of the people that think using nothing but auto attack and their heal is sufficiently deep gameplay.

Let’s watch a movie guys!

http://www.twitch.tv/helsethgw2/b/434743331

“You just stand on the high ground and droooll” hahahaha

here is the typical hotfix rage :P

You run shortbow…

LMAO

jmatb.6307:

You run shortbow…

LMAO

I actually run longbow and sword/warhorn, I thought that was clear when the guy mentioned point blank shot >_> no one runs both lb and sb at the same time :/

ok longbow… on skyhammer which is a great representation of skill.

jmatb.6307:

ok longbow… on skyhammer which is a great representation of skill.

I run it for all maps :P

This guy was just a great demonstration of the misconceptions

There are no misconceptions about the skill level of Ranger in this meta. They are not skilled players to do what they do. Necromancers, similarly, are not skilled to play well in this meta.

All you do is rotate as a team, drool on your opponents, and collect your chest.

jmatb.6307:

There are no misconceptions about the skill level of Ranger in this meta. They are not skilled players to do what they do. Necromancers, similarly, are not skilled to play well in this meta.

All you do is rotate, drool on your opponents, and collect your chest.

You do a great job of sounding just like the guy in the screenshot, bravo!

Did you watch the video?

Necromancers can stack burns, bleeds, and poison from an autoattack. From 1200 range. You don’t dodge marks, and now they can use protection and replenish their life force while eating the entire burst of a fresh air build.

Rangers passively add burning to their targets, can slightly more actively put more burning, bleeding, and poison on them, which Necros can press one button to spread to an entire team in a teamfight. Their spirit reses themselves and others.

Thieves can attack their targets without being targeted, rip off all their boons, have nearly endless endurance, and, yes, they run Zerker ammy and have more survivability than anybody in Clerics or Shaman ammy. They spam one skill twice, dodge, move in and out with another easily spammable #2 skill, and nobody can do anything to stop them besides…

run the same crap.

You get punished for playing something that isn’t ranged or unable to be hit reliably. It’s so much bullkitten and then people like you say, “Counter it!”

I think we have our first Fan Boy! It was allot a fun fighting against you last night you sure know how to make team crack up on com’s the hole game, but like a good sport you took it to the mist and keep it going. It was allot a fun.

Thanks for the good fun, I for one slept allot better knowing our number #1 fan was cheering us on.