Guild Wars 2

no solo queue and no solo ranking leaderboards yet? and i smell bad balancing changes …..so another 1-2 months to wait till tpvp is playable.

mesmers and thieves get new condie..now a thief punish you for moving
lol the forum rage will be so fun!Cant wait

“With the introduction of Tainted Shackles, we’ll also be adding a new condition to the game: Torment. This condition is designed to play around with movement, one of our fundamental combat mechanics. Enemies under Torment will take damage periodically; as they move, they’ll take even more damage. In looking to expand the condition diversity of thieves and mesmers, we decided to include Torment skills for those two professions as well.”

Yes… more power to 2 of the most powerful classes…

patch isnt even out yet rofl

ahuba.6430:

patch isnt even out yet rofl

You see, people is whining even before the patch…

Swim.6830:

“With the introduction of Tainted Shackles, we’ll also be adding a new condition to the game: Torment. This condition is designed to play around with movement, one of our fundamental combat mechanics. Enemies under Torment will take damage periodically; as they move, they’ll take even more damage. In looking to expand the condition diversity of thieves and mesmers, we decided to include Torment skills for those two professions as well.”

Yes… more power to 2 of the most powerful classes…

lol unbelievable haha

My prediction:

Necro gets it on ds 5 which is conditional to even use (need lf) and probably gonna be on a 50s cd. Thieves and mesmers probably have it on weapon sets (always accessible) on a 15s cd and 0 cd for thieves.

Fail.

Oni Link.4621:

ahuba.6430:

patch isnt even out yet rofl

You see, people is whining even before the patch…

It’s not as if they’ll have to lose something to equip Torment causing skills you know.

because everyone knows how op condition thieves and mesmers are…man how dare thay buff condition potential on professions that are 100% direct damage dealers on every comp!

To be honest, I don’t see that new conditions given to Mesmers and Thieves as a problem as long as burst builds can’t benefit from it and other professions are effectively put on par.

Condition builds on both Mesmers and Thieves are fairly bad and not that common. Adding a new condition to their arsenal will make them more used and will give those profession a valid alternative to burst builds.

Obviously, I’m hoping that this new condition given to mesmers is coupled with a decent tuning of their burst damage.

they said burning on necro would come through traits, and possibly will be something rather spammable to match engineer’s burning. chill, burn and fear! fun times <3 (no really)

Death Shroud: Tainted Shackles. This skill will cause nearby enemies to be inflicted with conditions and controlled if they don’t take very quick action.

I wonder if this means DS 5 will have a chance at fear or…. necros getting Pulls/pushs

new condi: thief & Mesmer?

“We also looked at small skill revisions”

Pistol whip ? heart seeker? back stab ?

it looks like a good patch. as long as backstab thieves and shatter mesmers dont get access to torment.

Really good patch so far. Stop whining.

We need the balance before the implementation of soloq, since no one wants the bottom of it f ull of warrior/necros

Apparently, it wasn’t obnoxious enough to chase or kite thieves. Does ANet even play this game?

Another tool to kite warriors: as if that wasnt easy enough already. And giving it to the two most trolltastic professions. (Im fine with necro receiving it)

No warrior buff mentioned.

Its hard to disagree with op.

Forum rage even before the patch, what a surprise.

See, that’s why there’s a need for PTR (actual PUBLIC test realm). Or at least for notes to be made public as the changes are developed.

Woutan.5934:

No warrior buff mentioned.

Its hard to disagree with op.

Directly from the post: “…warriors will have an option to remove conditions when using burst abilities.”

We’ll see how it’s implemented and what other changes are made, but I’m pretty sure this could qualify as a Warrior buff.

This thread is fairly ridiculous, seeing as there are only a handful of changes mentioned in the post, and they’ve stated that this is going to be the largest balance patch in the history of the game. At least wait until you know what’s actually happening before you call it a fail. It may very well be a fail, but for now, the claims are baseless.

Also, calling Torment on the Mesmer’s Scepter now. Not sure where it will fall for the Thief, but I’m betting on an underused utility or weapon set.

Harrier.9380:

Forum rage even before the patch, what a surprise.

See, that’s why there’s a need for PTR (actual PUBLIC test realm). Or at least for notes to be made public as the changes are developed.

You seriously cannot blame us. They take 2 very common, very viable classes like Thief and Mesmer, and then highlight all this great stuff they are adding to make them even MORE viable! Yay!

Soryuju.8164:

Woutan.5934:

No warrior buff mentioned.

Its hard to disagree with op.

Directly from the post: “…warriors will have an option to remove conditions when using burst abilities.”

We’ll see how it’s implemented and what other changes are made, but I’m pretty sure this could qualify as a Warrior buff.

This thread is fairly ridiculous, seeing as there are only a handful of changes mentioned in the post, and they’ve stated that this is going to be the largest balance patch in the history of the game. At least wait until you know what’s actually happening before you call it a fail. It may very well be a fail, but for now, the claims are baseless.

Also, calling Torment on the Mesmer’s Scepter now. Not sure where it will fall for the Thief, but I’m betting on an underused utility or weapon set.

That option strongly suggests a gm trait, like we had our buff last patch with destruction of the empowered debacle.

Now this torment coming and the weakness buff means we must get more cond removal meaning sacrificing damage and/or defense. Leading to an even weaker warrior, while mesmer and thief are getting an easier time.

Woutan.5934:

Soryuju.8164:

Woutan.5934:

No warrior buff mentioned.

Its hard to disagree with op.

Directly from the post: “…warriors will have an option to remove conditions when using burst abilities.”

We’ll see how it’s implemented and what other changes are made, but I’m pretty sure this could qualify as a Warrior buff.

This thread is fairly ridiculous, seeing as there are only a handful of changes mentioned in the post, and they’ve stated that this is going to be the largest balance patch in the history of the game. At least wait until you know what’s actually happening before you call it a fail. It may very well be a fail, but for now, the claims are baseless.

Also, calling Torment on the Mesmer’s Scepter now. Not sure where it will fall for the Thief, but I’m betting on an underused utility or weapon set.

That option strongly suggests a gm trait, like we had our buff last patch with destruction of the empowered debacle.

Now this torment coming and the weakness buff means we must get more cond removal meaning sacrificing damage and/or defense. Leading to an even weaker warrior, while mesmer and thief are getting an easier time.

I can see it now, greatsword warrior forced to use the burst skill just to remove torment so that he can chase a thief… Warrior OP now… lol

If anything that warrior and necros should get it, noa trolling thief or even worse..mesmer. Its a slap into face for me, after all i am a melee class and its will hurt me the most. Why range>melee all time? Glad to see ESO coming out and i will drop that piece of s.

Thieves’ and Mesmers’ current builds will also get nerfed with the weakness buff. Thieves and Mesmers have pretty much been using zerker gear, so they’ll get hit hard with weakness.

Lol dude you are ridiculous wait for the patch notes to unleash your rage at least.

Wow.. Epic fail? Because of two classes getting a new condition that we know barely anything about or how they’ll be able to apply? What about the fact that they also mentioned that some builds are getting nerfed? Or that nearly every class is getting some skill/trait tweaks?

Seriously… Its like any new thing that gets released/mentioned someone is going to cry about because it wasn’t specifically what they wanted.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Thieves’ and Mesmers’ current builds will also get nerfed with the weakness buff. Thieves and Mesmers have pretty much been using zerker gear, so they’ll get hit hard with weakness.

Mesmer’s illusions are their own separate beings, thus they are not only able to be affected by boons/heals etc from allies, but also… weakness will have no effect on summoned phantasm unless you apply weakness directly at them.

@Chaos Archangel.5071

The condition will stack on intensity, meaning it will be rather spammable with short duration. also its most likely going to do great dmg ( not quiet confussion dmg) but something that people will “notice” and make them think twice before moving.

and they didnt say anything about traits traits changes other than a GM for air ele to recharge atonement? not very exiting!

Burning, bleeding and fear while Torment should be a lot of fun! necro mesmer new meta!

Oni Link.4621:

ahuba.6430:

patch isnt even out yet rofl

You see, people is whining even before the patch…

Because it doesn’t take a genious to figure out what’s going to happen.

Sigmatics.7056:

Lol dude you are ridiculous wait for the patch notes to unleash your rage at least.

Isnt it obvious that torment is going to hardcounter warrior the most of all professions?

sorrow.2364:

To be honest, I don’t see that new conditions given to Mesmers and Thieves as a problem as long as burst builds can’t benefit from it and other professions are effectively put on par.

Condition builds on both Mesmers and Thieves are fairly bad and not that common. Adding a new condition to their arsenal will make them more used and will give those profession a valid alternative to burst builds.

Obviously, I’m hoping that this new condition given to mesmers is coupled with a decent tuning of their burst damage.

What makes you think that the new condition wont just be tacked on to skills?

A skill with a condition is strictly better than the same skill without that condition. So even for direct damage classes conditions help.

google.3709:

they said burning on necro would come through traits, and possibly will be something rather spammable to match engineer’s burning. chill, burn and fear! fun times <3 (no really)

Death Shroud: Tainted Shackles. This skill will cause nearby enemies to be inflicted with conditions and controlled if they don’t take very quick action.

I wonder if this means DS 5 will have a chance at fear or…. necros getting Pulls/pushs

new condi: thief & Mesmer?

“We also looked at small skill revisions”

Pistol whip ? heart seeker? back stab ?

On crit traits linked to conditions suck for necro. The necro’s condition weapons have slow rates of fire and often slow projectile speed too (staff). So I doubt the trait will be close to what the engi trait does. The necro weapons don’t lend themselves to this except the dagger mh which has a high rate of fire. But that isnt a condition weapon.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Wow.. Epic fail? Because of two classes getting a new condition that we know barely anything about or how they’ll be able to apply? What about the fact that they also mentioned that some builds are getting nerfed? Or that nearly every class is getting some skill/trait tweaks?

Seriously… Its like any new thing that gets released/mentioned someone is going to cry about because it wasn’t specifically what they wanted.

You must be new here. This sort of post was posted by many people in december. Then still alot in january. Some still believed this in february. Well, it is June. I think we have all learnt from experience by now dude. So save your lecture on just wait and see. We have waited and seen many times before. And it is a complete fail every time.

I am happy they are trying to create diversity. As for the new condition, for all we know it may only affect players much the same as confusion..which is to say, barely at all. It maybe more a means of control than damage. I wouldn’t get too angry before you’ve even seen how it plays out.

google.3709:

@Chaos Archangel.5071

The condition will stack on intensity, meaning it will be rather spammable with short duration. also its most likely going to do great dmg ( not quiet confussion dmg) but something that people will “notice” and make them think twice before moving.

…and they didnt say anything about traits traits changes other than a GM for air ele to recharge atonement? not very exiting!

Yeah.. but Mesmer conditions, besides confusion, are pretty random. Winds of Chaos has a 1/3 chance for Bleed, Burn, or Vulnerability. Illusions cause bleeding on crit. I’m guessing the only way we’ll get torment is either traited for “On Clone Death” or tacked onto a weapon skill that’s lacking.

As for traits/skills/nerfs…

“First off, we’ve got a ton of trait changes coming up. Many traits that were less than desirable have been brought up in effectiveness, while others have been shuffled around and merged together to make room for new traits to be introduced. In doing this, we’ve created several new grandmaster traits for quite a few trait lines. For example: elementalists have a new grandmaster Air trait that allows them to recharge their air attunement, necromancers now have access to the burning condition, and warriors will have an option to remove conditions when using burst abilities.”

We also looked at small skill revisions and number balances to boost the power of specific skills, weapons, and traits. When possible, we try very hard not to take away too much potency from popular builds because we know that a lot of people enjoy them – but occasionally we do need to bring some abilities down in power.

Someone’s getting nerfed in some way.. Likely Mesmers.

You must be new here. This sort of post was posted by many people in december. Then still alot in january. Some still believed this in february. Well, it is June. I think we have all learnt from experience by now dude. So save your lecture on just wait and see. We have waited and seen many times before. And it is a complete fail every time.

“You must be new here.” Nah, I just tend to avoid the sPvP forums because of all the needless cynicism.

But all I’m saying is that.. The announcement was nothing but good news for promoting build diversity, hasn’t even been dropped yet, and yet STILL people are already complaining. The game is growing for the better, whether people want to admit it or not.

People dont even know how much damage it is.
The patch is not even out and the kids start complaining already…
Why don’t you guys just calm down, grab a cup of tea or milk or beer or whatever and relax till the patch is here?

there is no reason in getting upset about stuff that you have NO CLUE about how it will affect your game…

Oni Link.4621:

ahuba.6430:

patch isnt even out yet rofl

You see, people is whining even before the patch…

The profession balance developers do work, but the ones who make matchmaking and leaderboards, those developers lazy kitten motherkitteners. Takes them months to come up with a formula for matchmaking and they always wrong, they need to take some calculus classes and some common sense classes.

Everytime they announce a new and improved matchmaking, I enjoy proving them wrong.

I don’t come to the forums to tell you your game is good, when I come to the forums its because your game sucks and you got lots of issues that needs to be fixed. If I was enjoying your game, I’d be playing the game instead of being on the forums.

Aeri.5738:

People dont even know how much damage it is.
The patch is not even out and the kids start complaining already…
Why don’t you guys just calm down, grab a cup of tea or milk or beer or whatever and relax till the patch is here?

there is no reason in getting upset about stuff that you have NO CLUE about how it will affect your game…

When was the last time I heard that? I think it was right before that after that buff that made a certain (already too strong build) “wicked strong”.

AlBundy.7851:

Everytime I see a person defend arenanet all I can picture in my mind is a toothless fat kid in mesmer cosplay trying to bite a hotdog that Jon Peters is dangling above their head.

Lol that made my day.

Even as a condi necro, this new condition worries me a lot. I can’t say that I agree with this at all.

I also don’t agree that Mesmers and Thieves actually need something to keep people from running from them. I ffs, look at their mobility! The only class they can’t catch is an Ele and that’s only because of RTL; hell they can probably catch them too.

I’m not whining, I’m just very concerned that this is going to destroy what fragile state of pvp we have. It may be a bit much giving it to those two professions.

Chesire.9043:

Even as a condi necro, this new condition worries me a lot. I can’t say that I agree with this at all.

I also don’t agree that Mesmers and Thieves actually need something to keep people from running from them. I ffs, look at their mobility! The only class they can’t catch is an Ele and that’s only because of RTL; hell they can probably catch them too.

I’m not whining, I’m just very concerned that this is going to destroy what fragile state of pvp we have. It may be a bit much giving it to those two professions.

Condi based builds for thief and mesmer are atm….pieces of kitten in my humble opinion….Power based builds you will see this condition and laugh as it does 0 damage therefore not having any impact on you….but on the flip side it promotes build diversity and boosts lesser played builds like condi based builds.

Also I do find it funny the patch rage is coming already … at the same time though….we really need this solo q split and pvp reward overhaul asap to grow the pvp scene.

Custom Arenas will be out of beta! I’m happy just for that

Zanthrax.6538:

Chesire.9043:

Even as a condi necro, this new condition worries me a lot. I can’t say that I agree with this at all.

I also don’t agree that Mesmers and Thieves actually need something to keep people from running from them. I ffs, look at their mobility! The only class they can’t catch is an Ele and that’s only because of RTL; hell they can probably catch them too.

I’m not whining, I’m just very concerned that this is going to destroy what fragile state of pvp we have. It may be a bit much giving it to those two professions.

Condi based builds for thief and mesmer are atm….pieces of kitten in my humble opinion….Power based builds you will see this condition and laugh as it does 0 damage therefore not having any impact on you….but on the flip side it promotes build diversity and boosts lesser played builds like condi based builds.

In spvp.

P/D thieves and condi staff mesmers run pretty strong in WvW.

P/D thieves only really lose against D/P thieves.

Chesire.9043:

Even as a condi necro, this new condition worries me a lot. I can’t say that I agree with this at all.

I also don’t agree that Mesmers and Thieves actually need something to keep people from running from them. I ffs, look at their mobility! The only class they can’t catch is an Ele and that’s only because of RTL; hell they can probably catch them too.

I’m not whining, I’m just very concerned that this is going to destroy what fragile state of pvp we have. It may be a bit much giving it to those two professions.

Looking at the leaked patch notes, I have good news. Necromancer gets it on Death Shroud #5, Thief can only use it through Skale Venom (it replaces weakness for it), and Mesmers can only use it with Scepter #2, which is their counter. ANet surprisingly thought this out well if those leaked patch notes are indeed correct.

Those patch notes are fake. Whoever made it didn’t even use the right skill names.

I dunno, the last leaked patch notes were correct on multiple fronts.

I think it really depends on how torment is implemented. If it lasts 5+ seconds it isn’t going to be a dynamic change that promotes a reaction. If it is mostly a ~3-5s condition with a more noticeable effect people will play around it more.

But… still seems overly focused on affecting the warrior.

The other thing that is always a concern is how they use traits to buff a class or cover its weakness. Those traits become mandatory and crowd out options.

Wrong approach – Trait that makes burst skills remove a condition
Correct approach – new burst skill that removes conditions

The problem is widespread between all warrior builds so give it to all warriors not a specific build.

Huhm … so instead of using the well-functioning mechanics from GW1, they use some of the most broken from another game (read: Warhammer). I remember they had to nerf that poison so hard, that it was next to useless, but before that it was so OP (but granted: fun to play and watch ppl kill themselves).
Nope … I don’t see ppl again being frustrated with cheesy builds .. nope, never.

Why is it, that there is so much resistance to build on what was working in the first game?
It is really hard to write something constructive until we see it, but that exact change is something that was subject to such a horrible act of balance in another game (and I believe, there are Mythic-devs in GW2, or?) so they should be painfully aware of it.

PS: If RyuDragnier has it right, I wonder how venomshare will pan out … ? The good thing is it isn’t spam-able though.

As a Warrior:

Sensible reaction
Wait until the patch comes out and see how these new balance changes play-out.

Optimistic reaction
Looking forward to Warriors finally becoming truly competitive in PvP.

Pessimistic reaction
Preparing to completely abandon PvP and play PvE content only.

Despondent reaction
Find another game to play altogether.

Right now, I’ll opt for sensible with a touch of optimism.

From what we do know: Weakness rework / Torment condition, I can only say it is looking dim for Warriors being viable unless they get exponential buffs from here on out.
I’d rather see Warrior have Torment, it would fit what they need perfectly. Punishing opponents for running from them, which is one of the Warrior’s weaknesses right now.

I am excited to see new opportunities for condition builds on unconventional classes: Thieves & Mesmers and picking up Necromancer again!
Although, it’d rather see more burst glasscannons in the game than team’s stacking conditions mindlessly in teamfights…

Opting for the sensible reaction.

They really need to add solo que man that should be top priority. I mean honestly whats going with the dev team they can make spvp playable again in such simple ways its really frusterating. Just add solo queue ..redefine the award system..add incentives..boom all my friends would suddenly be playing spvp again.

The devs are so focused on balanced which is good but imo there are much higher priorities such as actual content. Its been more then 3 months since paid tournys failed system was cut off and this band aid solution of 1 match tournmanets still exists with so many flaws smh…

höh, whats with underwater buffs for rangers
i hope hard that i will get some underwater buffs!!!

this new conditions sounds like a big fail…
but lets see

oh and burning on necro :P
maybe i should play necro in future…
burning ppls with fear, sounds funny

do necro have this new condition too? :P
if yes => burning ppls with fear which get dmg because they RUN in fear and burn

sorrow.2364:

To be honest, I don’t see that new conditions given to Mesmers and Thieves as a problem as long as burst builds can’t benefit from it and other professions are effectively put on par.

Condition builds on both Mesmers and Thieves are fairly bad and not that common. Adding a new condition to their arsenal will make them more used and will give those profession a valid alternative to burst builds.

Obviously, I’m hoping that this new condition given to mesmers is coupled with a decent tuning of their burst damage.

Unless the only source of that condition for thief is a vastly underused venom (skale venom) and has limited duration / applications. It can hardly be considered another layer to the conditions which are so easily removed which is why condition builds for thief are so unviable / uncommon.

They suck. Believe me, I know. I’ve tried many variants for condition builds for thief and it just isn’t effective against Guardian / Ele / Engi / other thieves because they literally laugh off conditions. Realistically, it feels like condition removal is too easy / accessable. kitten … Guardians have auto condition removal that requires 0 thought process which requires 0 skill to utilize / make other builds ineffective.

Brilliantly fail design.

I see this new condition change as a joke, lol.