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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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All in all, I got to say the balance is overal fine compared to other mmo’s despite some OP spikes here and there. I wanted to make this list for ArenaNet so they get my overall view on the matter what should change drastically and what (top) players would love to see aswel.

  • Queue’ing outside of HoTM: waiting 5-20mins is a real pain and might be one of the reasons stopping players to PvP. Let us 1v1 and/or Map Completion w/e meanwhile
  • No action/change inside HoTM; as another post said HoTM is not really fun and gives us nothing but AFK’ing while waitin for queue pop
  • NEW: Stuck in Queue pop window: Why did you ever implent this? As it wasn’t worse enough to be stuck in HoTM AFK’ing till queue pops, now we can’t even continue what we were doing when queue pops
  • Class Stacking in Matches: Should not be allowed anymore if we aim for more balanced matches. This should also be the case in (Un)ranked and hotjoin. To clarify as alot of people dont understand this: 3 thieves in your team results in automated loss while having 3-4 eles will make your team win.
  • Give us what you promised: the bi-weekly balances are nowhere to be seen, aside from very minor fixes to tooltips. Nerf/Buf faster and see the PvP Community grow
  • Re-think matchmaking formula: letting low MMR play with high MMR players is far from a working system
  • Re-think matchmaking system: split SoloQ and TeamQ ASAP. Premades vs Soloq’rs is NEVER fair. As Helseth proposed back in April, make a seperate queue for teams only, perhaps. (watch the first 15mins of the vid linked,where he rants about matchmaking)
  • Boot Camp: Have low ranked ppl play with other low ranked untill they reach a certain rank
  • Report Options: There are close to none pvp related report options as exploiting and/or AFK’ing/griefing. AFK’ers should be dealth with
  • Build Templates: Those should be ingame since BETA. Ppl are forced using other character slots for total different builds they cant 100% remember while multi-classing.
  • Important Bug Fixes: should be one of your priorities. Mid-air immob is killing loads of players and destroying certain matches, no idea why its getting ignored or not even responded about it on the threads
  • More PvP events/HoTM buffs
  • More PvP exclusivity (like what comes with HoT badges and legendary backpack)
  • More communication through forums, certainly on Thief & Ranger forum, where I noticed no red posts for tons of pages whereas all other classes do have a red post within first 10 pages.
  • More spectator options: able to spectate a guildies or friends (Un)ranked would be really nice, with a delay ofcourse.
  • Map Overlook: As another thread clearly stated, the symbols of the points are a bit too big/wrong color. The class symbols fighting on the point can be barely seen. A change would be beneficial to have a better view where your mates/opponents are (maybe different colors?)

Evan Lesh quote: "Ranked will always have higher wait times than unranked because it has a smaller population of players. The only way to compensate is to make worse matches. This will be a different story when Leagues start though "

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Posted by: Krysard.1364

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I agree with all except for class stacking

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Posted by: Renny.6571

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I genuinely agree with all of these ideas, but if even half of them were implemented the queue times would be ridiculously long. Longer than what we have now.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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I genuinely agree with all of these ideas, but if even half of them were implemented the queue times would be ridiculously long. Longer than what we have now.

I dont believe it would. Its due those facts mentioned above the PvP community is really small compared to other PvP communities.

If we would implent all changes said above, you’ll see old players return, more competitive scene and more players will stay in PvP.

This can only result in better matchmaking, because there are more ppl to pick from.

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Posted by: Daroon.1736

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I genuinely agree with all of these ideas, but if even half of them were implemented the queue times would be ridiculously long. Longer than what we have now.

I dont believe it would. Its due those facts mentioned above the PvP community is really small compared to other PvP communities.

If we would implent all changes said above, you’ll see old players return, more competitive scene and more players will stay in PvP.

This can only result in better matchmaking, because there are more ppl to pick from.

Most of the original suggestions seem quite reasonable but you have hit the nail on the head here – namely the pvp community is really small.

When the game as a whole has a healthy player base, why is it that so few people want to play unranked and ranked pvp?

Answer and address that issue and then and only then will things improve.

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Posted by: ragnarokda.1805

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If they let people duel or do small arenas there will be less players queuing for matches, no? I absolutely agree that you should be able to continue with other non-pvp related things while you wait in queue.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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I genuinely agree with all of these ideas, but if even half of them were implemented the queue times would be ridiculously long. Longer than what we have now.

I dont believe it would. Its due those facts mentioned above the PvP community is really small compared to other PvP communities.

If we would implent all changes said above, you’ll see old players return, more competitive scene and more players will stay in PvP.

This can only result in better matchmaking, because there are more ppl to pick from.

Most of the original suggestions seem quite reasonable but you have hit the nail on the head here – namely the pvp community is really small.

When the game as a whole has a healthy player base, why is it that so few people want to play unranked and ranked pvp?

Answer and address that issue and then and only then will things improve.

It will already help alot with the listed things, tbh. And maybe lean towards GW1 PvP a bit since it came to my attention alot of veterans loved GW1 PvP and would love to see this back. I never played GW1 but it sure does sound awesome.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

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Class stacking should be limited to 2,

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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If they let people duel or do small arenas there will be less players queuing for matches, no? I absolutely agree that you should be able to continue with other non-pvp related things while you wait in queue.

Well, no. It means more ppl will come into HoTM to either queue or as u said, duel 1v1’s. This alone will attract ppl to come watch in HoTM and might keep them in HoTM in the future and have them PvP.

If you give ppl something to do while queue’ing, its definately more fun to queue.

Right now we already have 1v1 servers so it would basically stay the same, however 1v1 arena in open-air HoTM would certainly be cool to watch.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

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yes allow duelling in HoTM.

In fact duelling should be allowed everywhere so we can test our WvW builds also without all this roaming around and bowing cr*p while trying to avoid gank squads in WvW.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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yes allow duelling in HoTM.

In fact duelling should be allowed everywhere so we can test our WvW builds also without all this roaming around and bowing cr*p while trying to avoid gank squads in WvW.

You’ll ave Guild Halls for that, where you can duel with your PvE gear on afaik
But I see where you’re coming from

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Posted by: Vieux P.1238

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I agree with all except for class stacking

Nope! I agree with the OP. at least in Rank, should be no class stacking. Only 1 of each should be allowed per team. This creates a more balance team vs team. At least in the 5 vs 5 comps.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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I agree with all except for class stacking

Nope! I agree with the OP. at least in Rank, should be no class stacking. Only 1 of each should be allowed per team. This creates a more balance team vs team. At least in the 5 vs 5 comps.

This might be a valid suggestion for both of you:

Tournaments (WTS/ToL/ESL/AG/AspektGG): no class stacking
Ranked: no class stacking
Unranked: max 2 same classes (max 2 players)
Hotjoin: max 2 same classes (max 4 players)
Custom Arena; no limit.

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Posted by: Abis.1392

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Ineed, queue times are really annoying. I find myself checking YouTube or streams while I am waiting… I admit missing queue pop a few times :’(

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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Ineed, queue times are really annoying. I find myself checking YouTube or streams while I am waiting… I admit missing queue pop a few times :’(

Exactly, the fact how boring it is to be stuck in HoTM makes ppl miss the queue pop due checking something else.

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Posted by: Krysard.1364

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I agree with all except for class stacking

Nope! I agree with the OP. at least in Rank, should be no class stacking. Only 1 of each should be allowed per team. This creates a more balance team vs team. At least in the 5 vs 5 comps.

This might be a valid suggestion for both of you:

Tournaments (WTS/ToL/ESL/AG/AspektGG): no class stacking
Ranked: no class stacking
Unranked: max 2 same classes (max 2 players)
Hotjoin: max 2 same classes (max 4 players)
Custom Arena; no limit.

I think tournaments doesnt need any class stacking regulation, people there know enough about comps, and so unranked an hotjoin, cause people is not try-harding there, so it doesnt matter. Maybe with rankeds a max of 2 of the same class can help to avoid unwanted comps (see 4 necros or something like this), but I cant totally agree at all about your point of view of class stacking when we only have 8 choices…

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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I agree with all except for class stacking

Nope! I agree with the OP. at least in Rank, should be no class stacking. Only 1 of each should be allowed per team. This creates a more balance team vs team. At least in the 5 vs 5 comps.

This might be a valid suggestion for both of you:

Tournaments (WTS/ToL/ESL/AG/AspektGG): no class stacking
Ranked: no class stacking
Unranked: max 2 same classes (max 2 players)
Hotjoin: max 2 same classes (max 4 players)
Custom Arena; no limit.

I think tournaments doesnt need any class stacking regulation, people there know enough about comps, and so unranked an hotjoin, cause people is not try-harding there, so it doesnt matter. Maybe with rankeds a max of 2 of the same class can help to avoid unwanted comps (see 4 necros or something like this), but I cant totally agree at all about your point of view of class stacking when we only have 8 choices…

Well having 3-4 eles in any tournament can already be pretty deciding. Some top players agree (like helseth) having class stacking regulations would help the scene alot, and I agree.

Even though there are only 8 classes, all of them are viable enough to compete.
Whether or not that’s true can be discussed in another thread but stacking ruins alot of balancing.

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Posted by: funassistant.6589

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I agree with all except for class stacking

I’d rather not have the Team Overskill composition anywhere in my life.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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I agree with all except for class stacking

I’d rather not have the Team Overskill composition anywhere in my life.

Im surprised they didnt delete that topic but ye, its a common scene in PvP nowadays facing premades with +3 eles.

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Posted by: funassistant.6589

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Delete? It’s a viable team composition!

The topic itself is completely truthful!

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Posted by: Krysard.1364

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I agree with all except for class stacking

Nope! I agree with the OP. at least in Rank, should be no class stacking. Only 1 of each should be allowed per team. This creates a more balance team vs team. At least in the 5 vs 5 comps.

This might be a valid suggestion for both of you:

Tournaments (WTS/ToL/ESL/AG/AspektGG): no class stacking
Ranked: no class stacking
Unranked: max 2 same classes (max 2 players)
Hotjoin: max 2 same classes (max 4 players)
Custom Arena; no limit.

I think tournaments doesnt need any class stacking regulation, people there know enough about comps, and so unranked an hotjoin, cause people is not try-harding there, so it doesnt matter. Maybe with rankeds a max of 2 of the same class can help to avoid unwanted comps (see 4 necros or something like this), but I cant totally agree at all about your point of view of class stacking when we only have 8 choices…

Well having 3-4 eles in any tournament can already be pretty deciding. Some top players agree (like helseth) having class stacking regulations would help the scene alot, and I agree.

Even though there are only 8 classes, all of them are viable enough to compete.
Whether or not that’s true can be discussed in another thread but stacking ruins alot of balancing.

Yes, but then what we have is huge balance problem, not a class stack problem. oRNG in the last WTS stacked guard and warr (frae switching), and nobody complained. The problem isnt the class stack, cause you can stack different builds from a same class or even stack two same builds when you need their role in you comp. We dont have to limit different class builds or comp’s synergy cause bad balance, what we have to do is claim for a proper balance.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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I agree with all except for class stacking

Nope! I agree with the OP. at least in Rank, should be no class stacking. Only 1 of each should be allowed per team. This creates a more balance team vs team. At least in the 5 vs 5 comps.

This might be a valid suggestion for both of you:

Tournaments (WTS/ToL/ESL/AG/AspektGG): no class stacking
Ranked: no class stacking
Unranked: max 2 same classes (max 2 players)
Hotjoin: max 2 same classes (max 4 players)
Custom Arena; no limit.

I think tournaments doesnt need any class stacking regulation, people there know enough about comps, and so unranked an hotjoin, cause people is not try-harding there, so it doesnt matter. Maybe with rankeds a max of 2 of the same class can help to avoid unwanted comps (see 4 necros or something like this), but I cant totally agree at all about your point of view of class stacking when we only have 8 choices…

Well having 3-4 eles in any tournament can already be pretty deciding. Some top players agree (like helseth) having class stacking regulations would help the scene alot, and I agree.

Even though there are only 8 classes, all of them are viable enough to compete.
Whether or not that’s true can be discussed in another thread but stacking ruins alot of balancing.

Yes, but then what we have is huge balance problem, not a class stack problem. oRNG in the last WTS stacked guard and warr (frae switching), and nobody complained. The problem isnt the class stack, cause you can stack different builds from a same class or even stack two same builds when you need their role in you comp. We dont have to limit different class builds or comp’s synergy cause bad balance, what we have to do is claim for a proper balance.

What about SoloQ’ing and ending up with 3 thieves in your team while other team has very sustainable comp?

This results in automated loss.. Im not only speaking about class stacking to win, Im speaking about class stacking in general..

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Posted by: Krysard.1364

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I agree with all except for class stacking

Nope! I agree with the OP. at least in Rank, should be no class stacking. Only 1 of each should be allowed per team. This creates a more balance team vs team. At least in the 5 vs 5 comps.

This might be a valid suggestion for both of you:

Tournaments (WTS/ToL/ESL/AG/AspektGG): no class stacking
Ranked: no class stacking
Unranked: max 2 same classes (max 2 players)
Hotjoin: max 2 same classes (max 4 players)
Custom Arena; no limit.

I think tournaments doesnt need any class stacking regulation, people there know enough about comps, and so unranked an hotjoin, cause people is not try-harding there, so it doesnt matter. Maybe with rankeds a max of 2 of the same class can help to avoid unwanted comps (see 4 necros or something like this), but I cant totally agree at all about your point of view of class stacking when we only have 8 choices…

Well having 3-4 eles in any tournament can already be pretty deciding. Some top players agree (like helseth) having class stacking regulations would help the scene alot, and I agree.

Even though there are only 8 classes, all of them are viable enough to compete.
Whether or not that’s true can be discussed in another thread but stacking ruins alot of balancing.

Yes, but then what we have is huge balance problem, not a class stack problem. oRNG in the last WTS stacked guard and warr (frae switching), and nobody complained. The problem isnt the class stack, cause you can stack different builds from a same class or even stack two same builds when you need their role in you comp. We dont have to limit different class builds or comp’s synergy cause bad balance, what we have to do is claim for a proper balance.

What about SoloQ’ing and ending up with 3 thieves in your team while other team has very sustainable comp?

This results in automated loss.. Im not only speaking about class stacking to win, Im speaking about class stacking in general..

Thats why I was talking about a max of 2 when playing ranked, if you get 2 thieves bad luck, but 2 engiers/guards/etc arent bad

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Posted by: bile.7560

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I genuinely agree with all of these ideas, but if even half of them were implemented the queue times would be ridiculously long. Longer than what we have now.

I dont believe it would. Its due those facts mentioned above the PvP community is really small compared to other PvP communities.

If we would implent all changes said above, you’ll see old players return, more competitive scene and more players will stay in PvP.

This can only result in better matchmaking, because there are more ppl to pick from.

I think they shot themselves in the foot when the game first launched, they had a lot of people interested it was a interesting and different system to what most people had played before. However due to numerous reasons a lot of people left, I think a lot of those people will come back for leagues.

Agree with a lot of your points, if they balanced quickly class stacking wouldn’t be too much of a problem. Yet they are extremely slow so it’s a good idea.

More people would do pvp if the rewards were better as well.

Agree with the team/solo queue, leagues can’t come quick enough.

One small change once the game pops, they should make the ready time 30 secs you don’t need more time then that.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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Added: More communication through forums, certainly on Thief & Ranger forum, where I noticed no red posts for tons of pages whereas all other classes do have red posts within first 10 pages.

I felt this was very necessary to mention because its literally so sad those 2 classes specifically are not getting any love.

Thief example: They promised 10% heal increase for +3s increase cd, but only increase cd at balance patch. They never increased healing. Many posts were made about = 0 response nor action.

Ranger example: Taunt is beyond broken and should be reworked but still strong enough to keep rangers in the game. Many posts made about it = 0 response

Other class example: One is asking a question what would happen when 2 Shiro Revs do the sword evade sword, the Dev is quick enough to answer it (despite answering with a joke).

I feel abbadoned as a Thief due lack of communication in Thief forums.

Where are you Devs?

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Posted by: ragnarokda.1805

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I’m just gonna leave here with a plus one and to also say I agree with class stacking. I think two of any class is fine but beyond that they’re just trying to capitalize on something broken.

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Posted by: Kapranos.2941

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Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

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Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

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Posted by: Syrius Gorn.5384

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Kapranos.2941:
Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode
What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

We need a free cam, like in theirs Point of Interest, they used it, so it’s available.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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Kapranos.2941:
Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode
What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

We need a free cam, like in theirs Point of Interest, they used it, so it’s available.

Ah like most FPS games got in Spectators?

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Posted by: Duka.5864

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build templates really every profession have 1 or god bless 2 viable builds,how long you need to change build 5 sec tops but ok
game balanced!!? well yes if you delete mesmer stealth ages protection heal bots! and profession stacking +1

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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build templates really every profession have 1 or god bless 2 viable builds,how long you need to change build 5 sec tops but ok
game balanced!!? well yes if you delete mesmer stealth ages protection heal bots! and profession stacking +1

Warrior, guardians, rangers, engineers have more than 1 viable build and as multiclasser, its hard to memorize every single build/trait/sigil/rune.

Build Templates were in GW1, should be in GW2 aswel imo.

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Posted by: Kapranos.2941

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Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

In my opinion, an effective spectator mode is the first step to get the community more involved into PvP.
People could see how others are playing, and/or watch certain interesting teams/players just for pleasure. The community may get better at PvP and it could draw more people/teams into competitive gameplay because spectating is a way of discovering things that someone’s not necessarily used to, or it may give ambitions.

Also, more people watching might draw more attention toward gw2’s PvP and this is essential for an E-Sport wannabe-game. More attention equals more sponsors/visibility in the gamer community/more will to create PvP teams/play PvP.

Now getting to the point :
Currently if you want to watch games; players recording their game is the closest to a proper spectator mode because there is no way to watch a match in-game (except private arena). Of course there is a spectator mode but a few vital points are missing :

-You should be able to spectate random ranked games going on at that moment (with players of high MMR)
-You should be able to spectate a friend playing ranked/unranked (other than private arena)
-You should be able to watch (in game) a tournament that is going on at that time
[Of course, with a slight delay to prevent cheating.]

These points would make the spectator mode good enough to be used.



N.B. : Things like free camera, etc. are just cherries on the cake and even if it would be nice, these aren’t vital things for a “proper” spectator mode.

P.S. I’m not perfect I may forget points, also excuse me for my english.

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Posted by: Duka.5864

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build templates really every profession have 1 or god bless 2 viable builds,how long you need to change build 5 sec tops but ok
game balanced!!? well yes if you delete mesmer stealth ages protection heal bots! and profession stacking +1

Warrior, guardians, rangers, engineers have more than 1 viable build and as multiclasser, its hard to memorize every single build/trait/sigil/rune.

Build Templates were in GW1, should be in GW2 aswel imo.

Well it is handy i admit,
I play them all too didn’t find anything hard to memorize!

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

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Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

In my opinion, an effective spectator mode is the first step to get the community more involved into PvP.
People could see how others are playing, and/or watch certain interesting teams/players just for pleasure. The community may get better at PvP and it could draw more people/teams into competitive gameplay because spectating is a way of discovering things that someone’s not necessarily used to, or it may give ambitions.

Also, more people watching might draw more attention toward gw2’s PvP and this is essential for an E-Sport wannabe-game. More attention equals more sponsors/visibility in the gamer community/more will to create PvP teams/play PvP.

Now getting to the point :
Currently if you want to watch games; players recording their game is the closest to a proper spectator mode because there is no way to watch a match in-game (except private arena). Of course there is a spectator mode but a few vital points are missing :

-You should be able to spectate random ranked games going on at that moment (with players of high MMR)
-You should be able to spectate a friend playing ranked/unranked (other than private arena)
-You should be able to watch (in game) a tournament that is going on at that time
[Of course, with a slight delay to prevent cheating.]

These points would make the spectator mode good enough to be used.



N.B. : Things like free camera, etc. are just cherries on the cake and even if it would be nice, these aren’t vital things for a “proper” spectator mode.

P.S. I’m not perfect I may forget points, also excuse me for my english.

That would be very awesome if all of that was possible.

But are there other games who got this, though?
Because Im not sure if its reachable for ArenaNet to implent this.

That’s what old ’ASP’* used to be but now ASP can’t spectate Rankeds anymore, either.

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Posted by: Krysard.1364

Krysard.1364

Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

In my opinion, an effective spectator mode is the first step to get the community more involved into PvP.
People could see how others are playing, and/or watch certain interesting teams/players just for pleasure. The community may get better at PvP and it could draw more people/teams into competitive gameplay because spectating is a way of discovering things that someone’s not necessarily used to, or it may give ambitions.

Also, more people watching might draw more attention toward gw2’s PvP and this is essential for an E-Sport wannabe-game. More attention equals more sponsors/visibility in the gamer community/more will to create PvP teams/play PvP.

Now getting to the point :
Currently if you want to watch games; players recording their game is the closest to a proper spectator mode because there is no way to watch a match in-game (except private arena). Of course there is a spectator mode but a few vital points are missing :

-You should be able to spectate random ranked games going on at that moment (with players of high MMR)
-You should be able to spectate a friend playing ranked/unranked (other than private arena)
-You should be able to watch (in game) a tournament that is going on at that time
[Of course, with a slight delay to prevent cheating.]

These points would make the spectator mode good enough to be used.



N.B. : Things like free camera, etc. are just cherries on the cake and even if it would be nice, these aren’t vital things for a “proper” spectator mode.

P.S. I’m not perfect I may forget points, also excuse me for my english.

That would be very awesome if all of that was possible.

But are there other games who got this, though?
Because Im not sure if its reachable for ArenaNet to implent this.

That’s what old ’ASP’* used to be but now ASP can’t spectate Rankeds anymore, either.

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If you want more people to PvP, simply making you able to queue from anywhere could go a long way.
In my experience, going to HotM, joining queue, waiting around for several minutes not being able to do anything stimulating in the meantime is borderline insulting.
To have this gorgeous game with all the things to explore and then forcing me to sit in some instanced, dull, greyish zone waiting for a PvP match that doesnt even take 20 minutes is a stupid design decision that only leads to creating a wall between “PvPers” and “PvEers”.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

Terrorsquad.4802

If you want more people to PvP, simply making you able to queue from anywhere could go a long way.
In my experience, going to HotM, joining queue, waiting around for several minutes not being able to do anything stimulating in the meantime is borderline insulting.
To have this gorgeous game with all the things to explore and then forcing me to sit in some instanced, dull, greyish zone waiting for a PvP match that doesnt even take 20 minutes is a stupid design decision that only leads to creating a wall between “PvPers” and “PvEers”.

Yup, really hate this.. :/

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

Terrorsquad.4802

Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

In my opinion, an effective spectator mode is the first step to get the community more involved into PvP.
People could see how others are playing, and/or watch certain interesting teams/players just for pleasure. The community may get better at PvP and it could draw more people/teams into competitive gameplay because spectating is a way of discovering things that someone’s not necessarily used to, or it may give ambitions.

Also, more people watching might draw more attention toward gw2’s PvP and this is essential for an E-Sport wannabe-game. More attention equals more sponsors/visibility in the gamer community/more will to create PvP teams/play PvP.

Now getting to the point :
Currently if you want to watch games; players recording their game is the closest to a proper spectator mode because there is no way to watch a match in-game (except private arena). Of course there is a spectator mode but a few vital points are missing :

-You should be able to spectate random ranked games going on at that moment (with players of high MMR)
-You should be able to spectate a friend playing ranked/unranked (other than private arena)
-You should be able to watch (in game) a tournament that is going on at that time
[Of course, with a slight delay to prevent cheating.]

These points would make the spectator mode good enough to be used.



N.B. : Things like free camera, etc. are just cherries on the cake and even if it would be nice, these aren’t vital things for a “proper” spectator mode.

P.S. I’m not perfect I may forget points, also excuse me for my english.

That would be very awesome if all of that was possible.

But are there other games who got this, though?
Because Im not sure if its reachable for ArenaNet to implent this.

That’s what old ’ASP’* used to be but now ASP can’t spectate Rankeds anymore, either.

  • Authorized Shoutcasters Program

Every esports game have a proper espectator mode, hopefully Anet can do it also

Can u spectate w/e game u want in those esports game, though?
I think thats technically quite hard, but I do hope Anet will be able to do this in the future.

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Krysard.1364

Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

In my opinion, an effective spectator mode is the first step to get the community more involved into PvP.
People could see how others are playing, and/or watch certain interesting teams/players just for pleasure. The community may get better at PvP and it could draw more people/teams into competitive gameplay because spectating is a way of discovering things that someone’s not necessarily used to, or it may give ambitions.

Also, more people watching might draw more attention toward gw2’s PvP and this is essential for an E-Sport wannabe-game. More attention equals more sponsors/visibility in the gamer community/more will to create PvP teams/play PvP.

Now getting to the point :
Currently if you want to watch games; players recording their game is the closest to a proper spectator mode because there is no way to watch a match in-game (except private arena). Of course there is a spectator mode but a few vital points are missing :

-You should be able to spectate random ranked games going on at that moment (with players of high MMR)
-You should be able to spectate a friend playing ranked/unranked (other than private arena)
-You should be able to watch (in game) a tournament that is going on at that time
[Of course, with a slight delay to prevent cheating.]

These points would make the spectator mode good enough to be used.



N.B. : Things like free camera, etc. are just cherries on the cake and even if it would be nice, these aren’t vital things for a “proper” spectator mode.

P.S. I’m not perfect I may forget points, also excuse me for my english.

That would be very awesome if all of that was possible.

But are there other games who got this, though?
Because Im not sure if its reachable for ArenaNet to implent this.

That’s what old ’ASP’* used to be but now ASP can’t spectate Rankeds anymore, either.

  • Authorized Shoutcasters Program

Every esports game have a proper espectator mode, hopefully Anet can do it also

Can u spectate w/e game u want in those esports game, though?
I think thats technically quite hard, but I do hope Anet will be able to do this in the future.

Not any game, but usually you can spectate “high mmr” games or friend games

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

Terrorsquad.4802

Do not forget to mention that we need a proper spectator mode

What would you suggest to put into spectator mode, Kapranos?

In my opinion, an effective spectator mode is the first step to get the community more involved into PvP.
People could see how others are playing, and/or watch certain interesting teams/players just for pleasure. The community may get better at PvP and it could draw more people/teams into competitive gameplay because spectating is a way of discovering things that someone’s not necessarily used to, or it may give ambitions.

Also, more people watching might draw more attention toward gw2’s PvP and this is essential for an E-Sport wannabe-game. More attention equals more sponsors/visibility in the gamer community/more will to create PvP teams/play PvP.

Now getting to the point :
Currently if you want to watch games; players recording their game is the closest to a proper spectator mode because there is no way to watch a match in-game (except private arena). Of course there is a spectator mode but a few vital points are missing :

-You should be able to spectate random ranked games going on at that moment (with players of high MMR)
-You should be able to spectate a friend playing ranked/unranked (other than private arena)
-You should be able to watch (in game) a tournament that is going on at that time
[Of course, with a slight delay to prevent cheating.]

These points would make the spectator mode good enough to be used.



N.B. : Things like free camera, etc. are just cherries on the cake and even if it would be nice, these aren’t vital things for a “proper” spectator mode.

P.S. I’m not perfect I may forget points, also excuse me for my english.

That would be very awesome if all of that was possible.

But are there other games who got this, though?
Because Im not sure if its reachable for ArenaNet to implent this.

That’s what old ’ASP’* used to be but now ASP can’t spectate Rankeds anymore, either.

  • Authorized Shoutcasters Program

Every esports game have a proper espectator mode, hopefully Anet can do it also

Can u spectate w/e game u want in those esports game, though?
I think thats technically quite hard, but I do hope Anet will be able to do this in the future.

Not any game, but usually you can spectate “high mmr” games or friend games

Thats a nice mechanic.. Hope to see this, will add this to the list

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

Terrorsquad.4802

Added: Map Overlook

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