Guild Wars 2

Lets consolidate our thoughts for the next patch.
what are the classes ranking from number 1 (needs the most nerfs) to number 7 (needs the least nerfs)?

1) Mesmers
2) Elementalist
3) Engineers
4) Thieves
5) Warriors
6) Guardians
7) Rangers

I would say Necro No. 1 just because Anet hates Necros and because well for the lulz.

1) Mesmers
→ Burst is a bit too high for new survi abilities Mesmers have gained.
2) Burn damage modifers
→ Fixes too much damage on Cele Ele.
→ Fixes too much damage on Burn Guards (I don’t really think it’s too much but w/e).
3) Warrior
→ ROMpage.
4) Thief
→ Backstab crits are a bit too high.
5) Bug fixes
→ over 9000 nades etc…

Is there not a single actual necromancer main profession player who just tries to beat all odds against him/her?

Does that person not even read these fourms?

Does he/her even Enlighs enough.

1)Mesmers
2)Burn damage
3)Rampage War
4)Engi nades
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99)Ranger

1)burning
2)mesmer
3)ele
4)rampage

thief is fine imo

Morwath.9817:

1) Mesmers
-> Burst is a bit too high for new survi abilities Mesmers have gained.
2) Burn damage modifers
-> Fixes too much damage on Cele Ele.
-> Fixes too much damage on Burn Guards (I don’t really think it’s too much but w/e).
3) Warrior
-> ROMpage.
4) Thief
-> Backstab crits are a bit too high.
5) Bug fixes
-> over 9000 nades etc…

+1. This list is good.

It’s not Ele/Guard/Ranger that need nerf. It’s the burning damage/burning duration that need tweaking. The condi burst from Ranger is very good too.

Mesmer Burst
Warrior Rampage Damage (Doesn’t need to be by too much)
Mesmer Burst
Burning Damage in general (Would help for damage on Ele and Gaurdian)
Did I mention Mesmer Burst?

1. Ele damage + tankiness in cele is way too high. This is by far the strongest class right now.
2. Mesmer burst. the burst + interrupts are too much.
3. Burn damage. Needs to be toned down

I’m mostly fine with everything else right now.

style.6173:

1. Ele damage + tankiness in cele is way too high. This is by far the strongest class right now.
2. Mesmer burst. the burst + interrupts are too much.
3. Burn damage. Needs to be toned down

I’m mostly fine with everything else right now.

1. and 3. are the same in your list.
→ ©Ele does the most damage in Fire due to high Burn damage.

Mesmer burst is fine. We are already to the point where people need to learn to play.

The only thing I’d change is burning. But only a bit – tone it down (damage? Stacks per class?) And this patch is amazing and what GW2 is all about.

phokus.8934:

Mesmer burst is fine. We are already to the point where people need to learn to play.

The only thing I’d change is burning. But only a bit – tone it down (damage? Stacks per class?) And this patch is amazing and what GW2 is all about.

I can deal with burst, but the stealth, blind, reflection, stun-lock spam is just ridiculous.

phokus.8934:

Mesmer burst is fine. We are already to the point where people need to learn to play.

The only thing I’d change is burning. But only a bit – tone it down (damage? Stacks per class?) And this patch is amazing and what GW2 is all about.

Burst is fine.

Burst from stealth with no counter play is not.

I love the new damage, feel free to increase Mesmer’s sustain damage, but the stealth burst should be nerfed.

Shatter Blind is hardly an issue as the clones move at zombie speed. Even with IP being baseline, a Mesmer on top of someone for extended period of time should be foreshadowing of the Mesmer dying.

Reflection from Manipulation/dodged attack is fine with the change to vigor. Stun lock is the same as it was before but now Mantras recharge when charged.

I’d rather see Mantras gain charges out of combat and have to wait to charge their Mantras again after expending their charges. But that’s about it.

Mesmer: Burst isn’t too high, it’s the guaranteed stun every 5 seconds. Easy fix:

change “Confounding Suggestions” so that the daze only is a stun when you interrupt sth.

Also, Prismatic Understanding needs to be toned down. IMHO, not necessarily in duration, since I think that decent AoE-Stealth for openers needs to be on some other classes than the thief (or D/P thief to be exact).

Ele: I really don’t care about the burn-dmg…. maybe make the durations a bit longer but tone down the DMG, so it’s at least a bit easier to cleanse…. I don’t run a D/D-Ele anyways and I never really felt burning to be too strong.

Ranger: One of the IMHO biggest problems with the ranger is that you basically have to use travelers runes. Give them a decent trait with +25% movement speed. Being able to run other runes than traveler opens up a ton of new builds.

Also, The Shortbow could really use a buff, since it does almost no DMG on builds that don’t run heavy precision and earth/torment-sigils. Make the normal auto-attack deal the bleeding it does now and make it a +20% in duration if hit from the side or from behind.

Taunt could also use some sort of buff, since the huge dmg on the pets makes them die almost instantly in teamfights. Add the conditions that they draw to them from you and even the tankiest pets die very very fast. I’d also make the radius a tiny bit bigger and add "for each enemy player taunted, your pet receives 20% less dmg for the duration of the taunt.

War: Rampage should probably be toned down a bit, either less DMG or less tanky.

I got no big problems with the other classes right now. :P

Sunshine.5014:

phokus.8934:

Mesmer burst is fine. We are already to the point where people need to learn to play.

The only thing I’d change is burning. But only a bit – tone it down (damage? Stacks per class?) And this patch is amazing and what GW2 is all about.

Burst is fine.

Burst from stealth with no counter play is not.

I love the new damage, feel free to increase Mesmer’s sustain damage, but the stealth burst should be nerfed.

Mesmers are the squishiest light class. Their damage from being overt and from stealth is perfectly fine and acceptable. The damage overall with them has increased but their setup of stealth, mirror blade, mind wrack has not.

Alpha damage across the board seems a bit strong, the worst culprit of this is shatter Mesmer, but I have seen some Thieves and Warriors getting some pretty silly numbers in wvw (granted they seem okay in pvp)

Burn is just out of control, I think you could do a couple things to help this. One make the protection boon decrease incoming condi damage by 20-50%. And two just tone down burn damage across the board. Other condis post patch seem to be in a pretty good place though.

Rampage is a bit silly now, but it could be hard to nerf it without relegating it to being a never used skill. I think once Revenant comes out and is putting out party damage mitigation and extra aoe stab, it will balance out Rampage.

Nades…its a bug, fix it and Engie will be in a good place.

phokus.8934:

Sunshine.5014:

phokus.8934:

Mesmer burst is fine. We are already to the point where people need to learn to play.

The only thing I’d change is burning. But only a bit – tone it down (damage? Stacks per class?) And this patch is amazing and what GW2 is all about.

Burst is fine.

Burst from stealth with no counter play is not.

I love the new damage, feel free to increase Mesmer’s sustain damage, but the stealth burst should be nerfed.

Mesmers are the squishiest light class. Their damage from being overt and from stealth is perfectly fine and acceptable. The damage overall with them has increased but their setup of stealth, mirror blade, mind wrack has not.

This post is funny…
You said Mesmer is the squishiest light armor classes, but guess what, the 2 classes you compare to are also 2 of the bulkiest classes in GW2 LOL (Ele = highest sustain, Necro = most hp pool)
But when you compare to all the medium classes, you would see a different picture.

GW2 is kinda funny that all 3 medium armor classes are less tanky and less survivable than 3 light classes LOL.
Balance… Haha…

It is funny that everything I forecasted for spvp happened. Mesmers the already easy and op profession got buffed to god mode because of the QQ of bad players that main mesmers.

1)mesmer
Even running zerker has the survivability of a bunker for 1v1. So many ways to completely negate the damage via blocks, immune, teleports, blinds, etc that there is no need to spec for survivability. One of the few ranged specs completely ignores reflects because gs2 is unblockable anb gs1 and gs4 do not count as projectile.

2) necro
Too many ways to corrupt boons from a target. Needs a buff to mobility.

3)other classes are balanced

Mesmer: Too much stealth, powerblock shouldn’t work on a players healing skills. Too much burst especially because of too much blind and how easy it is for them to stun/daze you. Too much blind.

Ele: Too much sustain and too much burn.

Guardian: Feels like they do too much damage considering how many get out of jail free cards they have.

xDudisx.5914:

2) necro
Too many ways to corrupt boons from a target. Needs a buff to mobility.

Well this is a new and different one. I guess it IS unfortunate that people just can’t spam all of their boons with impunity all of the time against one class in the game. It would be a shame if might-stacking was ever really challenged.

I don’t think rangers need any nerfs, just bug fixes. thieves and engies don’t need any nerfs. in fact from your list, I only think eles and mesmers are a LITTLE BIT over the top.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Lets consolidate our thoughts for the next patch.
what are the classes ranking from number 1 (needs the most nerfs) to number 7 (needs the least nerfs)?

1) Mesmers
2) Elementalist
3) Engineers
4) Thieves
5) Warriors
6) Guardians
7) Rangers

Just curious, which class do you main?

ima kongkittenninja.3052:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Lets consolidate our thoughts for the next patch.
what are the classes ranking from number 1 (needs the most nerfs) to number 7 (needs the least nerfs)?

1) Mesmers
2) Elementalist
3) Engineers
4) Thieves
5) Warriors
6) Guardians
7) Rangers

Just curious, which class do you main?

Necro isn’t on the list.

I don’t think OP thinks every class on his list should be nerfed, he just poorly worded the thread. It’s a strongest classes (which needs nerfed) to weakest classes (which needs buffed) And there are classes in-between which are balanced. I’m just going to assume he forgot to add necro…

I personally think Guardian should be right below Ele, but I agree beyond that.

1. elementalist
2. mesmer
3. warrior
4. guardian/engineer/necro

While I agree that burning is problematic in terms of balance right now you have to realize the fact that guardian & ele are extremely reliant on it for a great many of their builds.
Guardian so much so that changes to burning could have very bad consequences for them if not thoroughly tested and given proper compensation.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Lets consolidate our thoughts for the next patch.
what are the classes ranking from number 1 (needs the most nerfs) to number 7 (needs the least nerfs)?

1) Mesmers
2) Elementalist
3) Engineers
4) Thieves
5) Warriors
6) Guardians
7) Rangers

WHY ARE ENGIES ON THIS LIST
W – H – Y

Anyhoo, I’d like to know your reasoning behind putting them there.

(i hav weerd feering op pley necro)

Nerf the one or two obvious OP builds every path has (except maybe rangers).
I think it’s clear to everyone what those builds are by now.

Burst is NOT what should be nerfed on mesmer.
It’s the stealth, because only theifs are allowed to stealth burst, obviously.

It hasn’t even been a month, and everything is buggy.
Calm down.

For me:
1)Mesmer (OP burst+interrupt+Survability+Stealth all the time)
2)Elementalist (OP survability+Burn-_-)
3)Thieves (OP damage 2shoot Alot of dodge skills)
4) Rangers (OP survability2taunts+OP condi)
5)Engineers (No comment)
6) Necromancer (unblockable fear+unblockable marks+ infinite Death shroud)
7)Warriors
8)Guardians

Burning damage is fine! Burning application on some skills are too much…

Balance Brake’s Breath, Ring of Fire (not a big issue anyways…) Judge’s Intervention and Purging Flames (and maybe Zealot’s Fire) to only give 2 stack of burn but extend the duration by 33%.

Capito.2046:

For me:
1)Mesmer (OP burst+interrupt+Survability+Stealth all the time)

that epic inspiration (survivebility) domination(interupts) chaos (stealth) dueling build…….oh wait its 4 trees and you can have only 3

Capito.2046:

For me:
1)Mesmer (OP burst+interrupt+Survability+Stealth all the time)
2)Elementalist (OP survability+Burn-_-)
3)Thieves (OP damage 2shoot Alot of dodge skills)
4) Rangers (OP survability2taunts+OP condi)
5)Engineers (No comment)
6) Necromancer (unblockable fear+unblockable marks+ infinite Death shroud)
7)Warriors
8)Guardians

No comment on engies coz maybe you don’t why it’s on the list but you put it there for the heck of it. Im glad devs don’t take these lists seriously

Abilities that need to be balanced:
Lich form – 7k autoattack
Rampage 7k each attack
Burning dmg
Mesmer burst
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20% nerf of all skills and abilities.

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

Shadow.1345:

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

Ah, what if I play all classes for more than 2.5 year?

Aomine.5012:

Shadow.1345:

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

Ah, what if I play all classes for more than 2.5 year?

Well not 2.5 years for me but all classes has to count for something O.o right?

Mia Crazymike.1780:

Is there not a single actual necromancer main profession player who just tries to beat all odds against him/her?

Does that person not even read these fourms?

Does he/her even Enlighs enough.

I main Necro. I welcome any nerfs. Because I’ve lived through enough of them to know no matter how kittenty the profession gets there will still be bads who call it OP.

It’s just comedy at this point.

Sagat.3285:

Aomine.5012:

Shadow.1345:

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

Ah, what if I play all classes for more than 2.5 year?

What if I roll any FOTM and don’t what what FOTM is? :P

Rampage doesn’t need to be hardcore NERFED exactly, I think a few small shifts could bring it back in line.

The damage needs to be toned down slightly, definitely, but after doing that, I’d like to see it get a *duration increase, or allow 6-9 skills to be used during. The relatively short duration of any of the transforms are acceptable only cause the damage output is high. If the damage is brought down, it either becomes a useless joke elite again (like pre-patch) or it needs to get something to compensate.

Hell, I’d love to see Rampage become a ‘kit’ (with numbers adjusted and balanced to match this functionality of course) but that seems like a pipe dream.

Aomine.5012:

phokus.8934:

Sunshine.5014:

phokus.8934:

Mesmer burst is fine. We are already to the point where people need to learn to play.

The only thing I’d change is burning. But only a bit – tone it down (damage? Stacks per class?) And this patch is amazing and what GW2 is all about.

Burst is fine.

Burst from stealth with no counter play is not.

I love the new damage, feel free to increase Mesmer’s sustain damage, but the stealth burst should be nerfed.

Mesmers are the squishiest light class. Their damage from being overt and from stealth is perfectly fine and acceptable. The damage overall with them has increased but their setup of stealth, mirror blade, mind wrack has not.

This post is funny…
You said Mesmer is the squishiest light armor classes, but guess what, the 2 classes you compare to are also 2 of the bulkiest classes in GW2 LOL (Ele = highest sustain, Necro = most hp pool)
But when you compare to all the medium classes, you would see a different picture.

GW2 is kinda funny that all 3 medium armor classes are less tanky and less survivable than 3 light classes LOL.
Balance… Haha…

This post is funny, too.

Ele has an incredible sustain only on celestial and when actually traited for it. Now compare zerker mesmer and zerker ele and see what is more squishy.

Aomine.5012:

GW2 is kinda funny that all 3 medium armor classes are less tanky and less survivable than 3 light classes LOL.
Balance… Haha…

Yes, to quote the great Inigo Montoya in response to Arenanet’s use of the word, “balance”…

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Thanks

Rampage could use maybe the slightest touch in damage reduced, but that’s it.

A large factor of why Rampage is doing so well is because of how the scene has gotten so glassy, and the fact a Rampaging warrior can take the burst from a glass cannon or two and then respond.

Shadow.1345:

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

1. nerf Shadow so very too much op teef

Michaeas Magister.1589:

Aomine.5012:

GW2 is kinda funny that all 3 medium armor classes are less tanky and less survivable than 3 light classes LOL.
Balance… Haha…

Yes, to quote the great Inigo Montoya in response to Arenanet’s use of the word, “balance”…

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Thanks

I’m pretty sure Anet doesn’t know what that word mean either. They probably know it even less, considering how they allowed these abominations to exist to begin with.
They didn’t do any testing either lol..

1) Mesmer
2) Ele
3) Thief
4) Engi
5) Guard
6) Warrior
7) Necro
8) Ranger

This thread serves no purpose other than flame-baiting and should just be closed.

So uhh what about thieves is OP?

Every class in the game should killing them with ease

Aomine.5012:

phokus.8934:

Sunshine.5014:

phokus.8934:

Mesmer burst is fine. We are already to the point where people need to learn to play.

The only thing I’d change is burning. But only a bit – tone it down (damage? Stacks per class?) And this patch is amazing and what GW2 is all about.

Burst is fine.

Burst from stealth with no counter play is not.

I love the new damage, feel free to increase Mesmer’s sustain damage, but the stealth burst should be nerfed.

Mesmers are the squishiest light class. Their damage from being overt and from stealth is perfectly fine and acceptable. The damage overall with them has increased but their setup of stealth, mirror blade, mind wrack has not.

This post is funny…
You said Mesmer is the squishiest light armor classes, but guess what, the 2 classes you compare to are also 2 of the bulkiest classes in GW2 LOL (Ele = highest sustain, Necro = most hp pool)
But when you compare to all the medium classes, you would see a different picture.

GW2 is kinda funny that all 3 medium armor classes are less tanky and less survivable than 3 light classes LOL.
Balance… Haha…

Bunkerdown engies say hi.

You get 500+ healing every two seconds from spamming things like flamethrower. While still having access to almost permanent stability.

AND BURNING.

which pretty much melts shatter mesmers that decide they don’t need condi-removal in a burn heavy stage of pvp.