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Posted by: alcopaul.2156

alcopaul.2156

Not sure about rank 50 in 2 weeks statement

10k glory / hour. Calculate.

if all they do is repetitive, it can be botted.

so you can reach rank 50 without even manning your game.

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Posted by: Floryn.6307

Floryn.6307

SOLUTION: rollback. It should be easy to trace and revert this.
Question is: do they care enough to do it?

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

get over it.

glory will not be removed in hot join games.

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Posted by: Phantom Master.9582

Phantom Master.9582

Hey kiddo, guess what!

Nobody cares about the PvP “community”!

It’s literally a farming minigame, the only thing there is to do is farm rank. Don’t get mad because people figured out how to do it without wasting a year of their life ^^

The question is, ‘’was this intended?’‘, if it wasn’t (which it clearly wasn’t) then its the Devs fault for making it that way. I have high hopes for this game but what is killing this hope is these ‘’little things’’ that Anet doesn’t fix which just ends up totally ruining the experience. One rotten apple and the barrel is spoiled.

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Posted by: Knote.2904

Knote.2904

Well if they fix this or even remove hotjoin from even being capable of gaining stuff (which might be a mistake imo), then I hope they can revert those that were abusing it or something.

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Posted by: Lordryux.9785

Lordryux.9785

i dont see how hard it is to remove glory gain from costume arena thats all you have to do to stop the glory farming. because regular hotjoin matches doesnt always end up on skyhammer >

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Posted by: Aquin.3192

Aquin.3192

I spend all my time in PVP. Whether or not it means im skilled rank was all I had to show for my efforts. This is pretty disheartening.

You can bet if we were doing something to farm gold, gems etc they would sure as hell fix it and revert it. ( new build available ASAP )

But then again that effects their bottom line and the PVP community does not. Which means this issue goes way into the backlog of priorities.

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Posted by: Arachnid.4062

Arachnid.4062

What this exploit deserved was to have custom arenas shut down until it was fixed. Instead they let it go for weeks and weeks.

Poorly handled + exploiters have yet to be banned.

Do the devs even realize how much longer it takes to get level 50 pvp compared to level 80 pve?

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Posted by: kerona.3465

kerona.3465

I’m a casual sPvPer who only really gets rank from Hotjoins. I’m only rank 24, after a year of playing. tPvP was fun with solo queue and I ranked decently, but the current solo queue is broken to the point of being almost unplayable.

So you’re saying I should never get any rank what so ever because someone else is abusing the system?

Honestly, anyone can tell the difference between someone who actually PvPs and is Rank 50 and someone who just ground it. They play like rank 1s.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

custom arenas will not be shut down.
people paid good gems for them.
shutting down gem store paid items will have dire consequences.

the welfare of custom arena owner and patrons is much more important than silly glory and rank farming issues.

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Posted by: chefdiablo.6791

chefdiablo.6791

I don’t know how well this farming method pays out glory, but if they are essentially making a selling dyes at a reasonable amount this exploit could have a value aside from the rank factor.

19 silver per unidentified dye is not a worthless investment for someone farming them without any real effort.

I don’t know if this would be profitable at all. I have not personally spent any time doing such, but I would bet that somehow there is a monetary benefit for some. Farmers rarely subject themselves to mundane activities that have few worthwhile rewards.

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Posted by: garethh.3518

garethh.3518

This all might matter…
If PvP rewards weren’t an utter joke.

But they are… so no one gives a kitten.

If someone wants to spend two weaks grinding GW2s for 8+ hours a day… I’m fine with them getting most the kitten Anet offers from it… they deserve it at that point.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

Harbinger.8637

I don’t know how well this farming method pays out glory, but if they are essentially making a selling dyes at a reasonable amount this exploit could have a value aside from the rank factor.

19 silver per unidentified dye is not a worthless investment for someone farming them without any real effort.

I don’t know if this would be profitable at all. I have not personally spent any time doing such, but I would bet that somehow there is a monetary benefit for some. Farmers rarely subject themselves to mundane activities that have few worthwhile rewards.

The unidentified dyes are account bound that you get from PvP. You can only sell them once you know what type of dye it is.

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Posted by: Sea.5732

Sea.5732

We have more changes coming to further hinder this type of behavior.

how about punishing these abusers? even right now, there is a server up abusing it.

ban these scrubs or at least the one hosting the servers.

ban or take away all there progression they’ve done via this exploit. it’s unfair.

any other game would of punished them or even better they would of fixed this problem the second it went public.

“exploiting has been noticed, the action to prevent you being banned, we have removed your ranks and reverted you back to rank 10”

there go send that, let them keep there glory if they really want it but get rid of the ranks they gained.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

they will quickly ban if
- using macros
- economy is disturbed
glory and rank farming is … personal, economy not disturbed.

farming dyes, u say?
sell dyes for profit, u say?

the pvp unidentified dyes are, account bound.
sell the identified dyes?

382 types of dyes.

how many of those dyes are worth selling in the trading post?

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Posted by: chefdiablo.6791

chefdiablo.6791

I don’t know how well this farming method pays out glory, but if they are essentially making a selling dyes at a reasonable amount this exploit could have a value aside from the rank factor.

19 silver per unidentified dye is not a worthless investment for someone farming them without any real effort.

I don’t know if this would be profitable at all. I have not personally spent any time doing such, but I would bet that somehow there is a monetary benefit for some. Farmers rarely subject themselves to mundane activities that have few worthwhile rewards.

The unidentified dyes are account bound that you get from PvP. You can only sell them once you know what type of dye it is.

Fair enough, I guess the last bastion would be the AP rewards, but I seriously doubt that yields a great deal.

I should not be surprised at the lengths some people will go in order to flex their eMuscles, but yet I still find myself perplexed.

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Posted by: Rednik.3809

Rednik.3809

Yes, ban PvE-rs for farming sPvP ranks, because ranks are so big deal skilled hotjoin heroes, yo, so big, it hurts. And remove 8×8 modes. And remove hotjoin. And make dailies only for tPvP. And rewars only for top 500 in leaderboards. And glory only for wins, in tPvP ofc.
All those progressive measures, asked by hardcore forum whiners PvP professionals, certainly will attract new people to sPvP, this is exactly what we need right now. Do it, Anet! Do it!

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Posted by: James Megawatt.9021

James Megawatt.9021

After a year of playing casual PvP I got my Ransacker title a while ago. Only problem is, I am ashamed to put it on, so I just put on champion paragon, it has more value in my opinion. Everyone right now is 40+ and these guys are often the biggest noobs, trashtalking, not all traits equipped, abuse me of cheating and speedhacking when I stomp with quickness, … the list goes on. Rank is the only thing we PvP-only people had, but yeah now that is gone also. I know a lot of r50+ people who have never played a single tournament game, like are you kidding me?

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Posted by: Iplaytokill.1674

Iplaytokill.1674

It’s like adding insult to injury. I feel it too, and it seems imo, what every other loyal PVP’er is feeling. First we get ignored and sidelined, and now we get insulted as well by taking away the only thing we had over the pve crowd.

It’s really not an argument of whether or not the rewards suck, or whether or not it’s even WORTH farming the glory. It’s the principle. This was the ONLY thing we had and now that’s gone. What if all of a sudden, PVE karma got taken out of the game and given to PVP players only? What then? It’s unfair, it’s bs.

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Posted by: Poxxia.1547

Poxxia.1547

Hmmm … I don’t like Skyhammer farming at all. Atm I do a fair amount of hotjoins and PvE; not because I like it, but if I am to play the game, I prefer to do it frustration-free. I don’t expect much of hotjoins and PvE (I am getting my mesmer to lvl 80 … about time), but if I play TPvP I DO expect people to know what is happening, being constructive … and I don’t expect to play vs exclusive Necro’s and Hammer/LB (or mace-stun)-warriors due to the current meta.

TPvP (as can hotjoins) can be an awesome experience, and most likely the best part of the game. But as many other places, the experience is what we make it. And this is perhaps where I think the game fails the most; the casuals don’t make the most of it. They/we should, but we most likely care too little about other people to take any serious steps in that direction.

Helping people to focus on how the game is played is not a punishment. Removing glory from hotjoins, only gain points from holding bases and perhaps give some little glory to only the winning team are steps that could improve the gameplay.

The current situation? Remove all ranks; reset it. Or reverse it. If we don’t do anything, the meaning of the concept is lost.

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Posted by: Coulter.2315

Coulter.2315

In our personal PvP tab there is a record of tournament game wins, they should maybe introduce a new system that revolves around that and introduce it with past history included (giving a leg up to legit players to help public opinion).

Clearly this exploit must be fixed but more than that there needs to be a reward system added to the game.

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Posted by: Rednik.3809

Rednik.3809

Hmmm … I don’t like Skyhammer farming at all. Atm I do a fair amount of hotjoins and PvE; not because I like it, but if I am to play the game, I prefer to do it frustration-free. I don’t expect much of hotjoins and PvE (I am getting my mesmer to lvl 80 … about time), but if I play TPvP I DO expect people to know what is happening, being constructive … and I don’t expect to play vs exclusive Necro’s and Hammer/LB-warriors due to the current meta.

TPvP (as can hotjoins) can be an awesome experience, and most likely the best part of the game. But as many other places, the experience is what we make it. And this is perhaps where I think the game fails the most; the casuals don’t make the most of it. They/we should, but we most likely care too little about other people to take any serious steps in that direction.

Helping people to focus on how the game is played is not a punishment. Removing glory from hotjoins, only gain points from holding bases and perhaps give some little glory to only the winning team are steps that could improve the gameplay.

The current situation? Remove all ranks; reset it. Or reverse it. If we don’t do anything, the meaning of the concept is lost.

I have a question. Do you understand how every successful pvp game works?
Is you want to have lively game, you need basic thing – player pyramid.
1. ALOT of low skilled guys who casually play for fun,
2. Large group of decently skilled players who have access to almost all shiny things
3. Elite with rare titles, tons of tournament victories, unique rewards, etc.

To make this pyramid, you need easy, fun and decently rewarding mass-pvp modes for majority of PvP crowd, ability to get almost any shiny thing in reasonable time for dedicated players, and unique things for elite.
This is not that we have. sPvP in current state is grind. If you are casual, you are unable to get something decent at all, just because of rank grind amount. Thats why we have rank farm maps, and thats why they are so popular.
If you are decent, you can get some shines from tPvP and soloQ, but first – rewards are not good enough, second – population for tPvP and soloQ is miserable, due to small population of mass gamemode (hotjoin) itself.
And elite is suffering from same problems.

If we need to make sPvP popular, we need to make it rewarding, attract people here, make our pyramid large and wide.

And when i see someone asking for rewards nerf, more so – such nerfs for most basic and massive modes – i cannot express my feelings. This is beyond stupid. You killing your own game and don’t even understand it.

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Posted by: Poxxia.1547

Poxxia.1547

I have a question. Do you understand how every successful pvp game works?
Is you want to have lively game, you need basic thing – player pyramid.
1. ALOT of low skilled guys who casually play for fun,
2. Large group of decently skilled players who have access to almost all shiny things
3. Elite with rare titles, tons of tournament victories, unique rewards, etc.

To make this pyramid, you need easy, fun and decently rewarding mass-pvp modes for majority of PvP crowd, ability to get almost any shiny thing in reasonable time for dedicated players, and unique things for elite.
This is not that we have. sPvP in current state is grind. If you are casual, you are unable to get something decent at all, just because of rank grind amount. Thats why we have rank farm maps, and thats why they are so popular.
If you are decent, you can get some shines from tPvP and soloQ, but first – rewards are not good enough, second – population for tPvP and soloQ is miserable, due to small population of mass gamemode (hotjoin) itself.
And elite is suffering from same problems.

If we need to make sPvP popular, we need to make it rewarding, attract people here, make our pyramid large and wide.

And when i see someone asking for rewards nerf, more so – such nerfs for most basic and massive modes – i cannot express my feelings. This is beyond stupid. You killing your own game and don’t even understand it.

In short: yes, I do understand how it works, it is not rocket-science. But there are other variables other than the shiny-thing-one. Read my post (the entire one, and not only the last line) and come back … read what I said, also between the lines. It is fairly obvious, that I don’t want to kill the casual-population.

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Posted by: Coulter.2315

Coulter.2315

Hmmm … I don’t like Skyhammer farming at all. Atm I do a fair amount of hotjoins and PvE; not because I like it, but if I am to play the game, I prefer to do it frustration-free. I don’t expect much of hotjoins and PvE (I am getting my mesmer to lvl 80 … about time), but if I play TPvP I DO expect people to know what is happening, being constructive … and I don’t expect to play vs exclusive Necro’s and Hammer/LB-warriors due to the current meta.

TPvP (as can hotjoins) can be an awesome experience, and most likely the best part of the game. But as many other places, the experience is what we make it. And this is perhaps where I think the game fails the most; the casuals don’t make the most of it. They/we should, but we most likely care too little about other people to take any serious steps in that direction.

Helping people to focus on how the game is played is not a punishment. Removing glory from hotjoins, only gain points from holding bases and perhaps give some little glory to only the winning team are steps that could improve the gameplay.

The current situation? Remove all ranks; reset it. Or reverse it. If we don’t do anything, the meaning of the concept is lost.

I have a question. Do you understand how every successful pvp game works?
Is you want to have lively game, you need basic thing – player pyramid.
1. ALOT of low skilled guys who casually play for fun,
2. Large group of decently skilled players who have access to almost all shiny things
3. Elite with rare titles, tons of tournament victories, unique rewards, etc.

To make this pyramid, you need easy, fun and decently rewarding mass-pvp modes for majority of PvP crowd, ability to get almost any shiny thing in reasonable time for dedicated players, and unique things for elite.
This is not that we have. sPvP in current state is grind. If you are casual, you are unable to get something decent at all, just because of rank grind amount. Thats why we have rank farm maps, and thats why they are so popular.
If you are decent, you can get some shines from tPvP and soloQ, but first – rewards are not good enough, second – population for tPvP and soloQ is miserable, due to small population of mass gamemode (hotjoin) itself.
And elite is suffering from same problems.

If we need to make sPvP popular, we need to make it rewarding, attract people here, make our pyramid large and wide.

And when i see someone asking for rewards nerf, more so – such nerfs for most basic and massive modes – i cannot express my feelings. This is beyond stupid. You killing your own game and don’t even understand it.

The pyramid you describe only works as a model if everyone is involved together in some way, the Skyhammer farm is a completely seperate thing no farmer there who is exploiting will have any input into the larger pvp scene. The skyhammer farm isnt pvp so including farmers in the “pvp community” when you say things like this is a lie.

Skyhammer farm is NOT a “mass mode” or bottom of the pryramid game mode its a seperate exploitable thing which just so happens to devalue even the casual pvpers experience.

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Posted by: Poxxia.1547

Poxxia.1547

The pyramid you describe only works as a model if everyone is involved together in some way, the Skyhammer farm is a completely seperate thing no farmer there who is exploiting will have any input into the larger pvp scene. The skyhammer farm isnt pvp so including farmers in the “pvp community” when you say things like this is a lie.

Skyhammer farm is NOT a “mass mode” or bottom of the pryramid game mode its a seperate exploitable thing which just so happens to devalue even the casual pvpers experience.

This as well.
But even hotjoins: We only see them as the casual-option, because we are told it to be so. The changes that should come to hotjoins and rewards are not punishments, but rather give you more fun on every level. In the case of hotjoins it is supposed to be the entry to pvp. It isn’t, it is a dead end, leading to hotjoin-knowledge. We could change that ourselves (partly by only playing 5vs5 and/or inventing rules), but it would be easier if we were helped/guided (in other words, do we really trust strangers to commit to the non-mandatory rules?).

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Posted by: James Megawatt.9021

James Megawatt.9021

Come to think of it. These people farm 10k glory per hour? I only play tourneys right now, and I play bunker guardian. This means I don’t get much glory. 10k glory takes me about a week. Why is there such a huge difference? Why am I getting punished for playing PvP. Why am I getting punished for playing tournaments. Why am I getting punished for playing a bunker guardian. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. And then for the final kick in the balls, I constantly get matched 4v5 soloQ. What have I done to deserve this?

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Posted by: Rednik.3809

Rednik.3809

The pyramid you describe only works as a model if everyone is involved together in some way, the Skyhammer farm is a completely seperate thing no farmer there who is exploiting will have any input into the larger pvp scene. The skyhammer farm isnt pvp so including farmers in the “pvp community” when you say things like this is a lie.

Skyhammer farm is NOT a “mass mode” or bottom of the pryramid game mode its a seperate exploitable thing which just so happens to devalue even the casual pvpers experience.

Skyhammer farm exist only because of insane grind requirements for any decent rewards. Try to play as casual player, start from scratch, play 3-7 games per day and 1-3 soloQ per weekend (all with ~100-150 rank points per game, because you are casual and don’t know game very well). And see how long you will be going for any good reward. Year? Two? Three? Maybe more?
After few month of such “exciting” experience, any casual gamer will ask himself “wtf i’m doing here?” and give up.

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Posted by: Kultas Sunstrider.9218

Kultas Sunstrider.9218

just stop it, they don’t give a kitten about pvp. seriously, stop it.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

Harbinger.8637

Come to think of it. These people farm 10k glory per hour? I only play tourneys right now, and I play bunker guardian. This means I don’t get much glory. 10k glory takes me about a week. Why is there such a huge difference? Why am I getting punished for playing PvP. Why am I getting punished for playing tournaments. Why am I getting punished for playing a bunker guardian. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Hotjoins have always been more rewarding than tpvp. It’s a big issue that still hasn’t been addressed.

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Posted by: Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046

Just made r30..
Went to this xp farm skyhammer map.
got 1k xp per game of what.. 5 minutes..without tagging.. Oo

logged off angry at all the time grinding for my rank..

54 infractions and counting because a moderator doesn’t understand a joke when he/she sees it.
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Posted by: James Megawatt.9021

James Megawatt.9021

ArenaNet please retroactive remove all the glory obtained in skyhammer since the map has been introduced. Only the farmers will disagree with this, the real players will love you. Please do it.

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Posted by: Romek.4201

Romek.4201

They care and they will stop it – they already said

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Posted by: Iplaytokill.1674

Iplaytokill.1674

They care and they will stop it – they already said

lol they said.

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Posted by: Sampo.9678

Sampo.9678

In gw1 there was such a thing too and it was bannable because people used this community bug just like skyhammer to get your pvp title high in notime. (RR day)
In gw2 they just disable 1 command and everyone gets to keep their farmed rank and the glory they got from it.

I’m only rank 50 but i feel the people that went to 60+ playing pvp for a whole year.
They might’ve been passed by people who farmed skyhammer for a few weeks lol..

“Be brave, little rabbit. Take a chance.”

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Posted by: Kultas Sunstrider.9218

Kultas Sunstrider.9218

They care and they will stop it – they already said

hahaha, they also said this game was going to be esport.. yeah.. still laughing at them

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Posted by: Poxxia.1547

Poxxia.1547

Consider this: If the gear-grind is insane, maybe you are looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the devs overlooked the importance of rewards, but perhaps some players can’t see anything but the reward. It becomes an absurd cycle.
Imagine if all ranks were removed, and only leaderboards existed … .

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Posted by: milo.6942

milo.6942

i dont see how hard it is to remove glory gain from costume arena thats all you have to do to stop the glory farming. because regular hotjoin matches doesnt always end up on skyhammer >

because then nobody will buy custom arenas.
poorly thought out business plan as usual for anet.

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Posted by: Teutos.8620

Teutos.8620

Without reacting on the custom skyhammer maps ArenaNet took away the last little thing we SPvP player had… our rank.

Thanks ArenaNet now we have nothing achieved due to playing SPvP! Did you had fun taking away the last little thing?

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Posted by: sMihaly.1492

sMihaly.1492

Consider this: If the gear-grind is insane, maybe you are looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the devs overlooked the importance of rewards, but perhaps some players can’t see anything but the reward. It becomes an absurd cycle.
Imagine if all ranks were removed, and only leaderboards existed … .

Those ppl don’t farm it for the rewards. They do it for the rank, for showing off “ima rank 50-70 im so pro at pvp, look i have shark finisher” whilst players playing tournaments are just kitten ed off by insanely slow leveling.
Even if they got only glory for that, i wouldn’t bother at all, they can forge all the stuffs equivalent to their rank, but come on, rank was the only worthy thing a pvp player could struggle for.

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Posted by: CntrlAltDefeat.1465

CntrlAltDefeat.1465

“You took away the only thing we had.”- Did you have fun along the way?..did you get your moneys worth along the way?

“Rank X from hotjoin.” 15% of box sales of gw2 was in NA/EU..that means the other 85% usually play at off peak hours. Some of us just don’t want to wait 10+ minutes in soloq for a match that is 4 vs 5, and we don’t care for premade vs PuG. The notion that hotjoin should be worth nothing is not only elitist, it is contemptible. If this is your answer, then all the times someone sat on home as a spirit ranger, or manned center as a guardian and scored of all 35 points is solid gold great game play to you, and the person in a 3 vs 3 hotjoin who went on fire for 310 is nothing but chicken feed. The ego expressed here is childish.

I have seen as many solid players in gw1 team arena/random arena as what i ever saw in GvG. One aspect of PvP is neither more valuable or skilled. Both require there own focus and play style. It is not until you play on a team with team speak and your warrior scored zero points, but actively could tell you who was where, where their energy is at, when they last used their elite, who the next spike is going to be, could double back to line back and successfully interrupted key skills that you realise titles and points are only a indicator, but no means a measure of skill.

Some are millionaires because they worked for it, other because they got the right lottery ticket. To delete everyone’s money and say, “If your good..you’ll get it back.” Is asinine. They got it, whether by hook or crook. Its is theirs, life sucks, bad things happen to good people, the good die young, my mother didn’t love me, I got cheated out of my title, they threw sand in my eyes. Welcome to life.

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Posted by: Coulter.2315

Coulter.2315

“Rank X from hotjoin.” 15% of box sales of gw2 was in NA/EU..that means the other 85% usually play at off peak hours.

Firstly this isn’t about hotjoin its about Skyhammer farms, secondly I’m not sure your logic holds – if 85% of people are playing at “off peak” times how could those times be considered “off peak”?

PvP needs a new reward system due to this corruption. In my opinion it needed it before this, but now is required. So maybe some good will come of this as ANet NEEDS to get a grip of it soon.

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Posted by: Poxxia.1547

Poxxia.1547

“You took away the only thing we had.”- Did you have fun along the way?..did you get your moneys worth along the way?

“Rank X from hotjoin.” 15% of box sales of gw2 was in NA/EU..that means the other 85% usually play at off peak hours. Some of us just don’t want to wait 10+ minutes in soloq for a match that is 4 vs 5, and we don’t care for premade vs PuG. The notion that hotjoin should be worth nothing is not only elitist, it is contemptible. If this is your answer, then all the times someone sat on home as a spirit ranger, or manned center as a guardian and scored of all 35 points is solid gold great game play to you, and the person in a 3 vs 3 hotjoin who went on fire for 310 is nothing but chicken feed. The ego expressed here is childish.

I am 40 years old. I used to be elitist-minded (I used to be in a “part of the world”, where there were no options) … I can assure you I am none of the sorts now (now that is more or less my trademark and also the trademark of the “world I live in”).

If you are playing for nothing, then you are right: You are playing for nothing but having fun. I used to play hp-defender, and I never ever go for the high score, be that hotjoin or tpvp.
Your argument goes both ways: If you prefer to not do the things you dislike, it is because you prefer the way that is more fun to you. Hopefully, you had fun along the way? Isn’t that what matters? It is, according to yourself (and me btw).

But, if we for a second assume, that you, like me, dislike grind. Then there are some ways to go around this. You can say to yourself, that the grind is an illusion (I do), or you can remove the reason for ppl grinding. Frankly, the grinding does more harm, than it promotes how to play the actual format of the game.

Now … if you will excuse me, I am genuinely offended by you calling me for a child … that is such a cheap ad hominem way to go around the issue.

PS: Define what you mean by value. If 5vs5 conquest isn’t the format, we might as well be having a skipping-contest. It isn’t about things being unfair, but about what makes sense. If we are meant to farm Skyhammer, it could perhaps make more sense to just give all the gear to everyone and make everyone level 80. Then the grind is over, and you can start playing the game … unless jumping off a cliff is making sense game-wise?

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Posted by: Yasha.5963

Yasha.5963

ArenaNet please retroactive remove all the glory obtained in skyhammer since the map has been introduced. Only the farmers will disagree with this, the real players will love you. Please do it.

This is a great solution, but I don’t see how they could do it. Is it possible to determine how much rank points you got from a specific map?

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Posted by: sMihaly.1492

sMihaly.1492

ArenaNet please retroactive remove all the glory obtained in skyhammer since the map has been introduced. Only the farmers will disagree with this, the real players will love you. Please do it.

This is a great solution, but I don’t see how they could do it. Is it possible to determine how much rank points you got from a specific map?

Nobody cares abut glory, all they can get from that are dyes. Or kitten armor/weapon.
The problem is about the rank.

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Posted by: Vincesco.8340

Vincesco.8340

they finially have to implement higher champ titels… like 1. titel 150wins // 2. 500wins //3. 1000 wins…..

Kleiner K

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Posted by: Gandarel.5091

Gandarel.5091

Consider this: If the gear-grind is insane, maybe you are looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the devs overlooked the importance of rewards, but perhaps some players can’t see anything but the reward. It becomes an absurd cycle.
Imagine if all ranks were removed, and only leaderboards existed … .

Yes, PvE guys who go to farm Skyhammer to show off in PvE definitely care about PvP skins.

99% do it for the rank. Best skins come from tournaments anyways.

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Posted by: RoyHarmon.5398

RoyHarmon.5398

SOLUTION: rollback. It should be easy to trace and revert this.
Question is: do they care enough to do it?

Yeah, because that’s not likely to cause problems at all. Totally easy. I do it twice every morning, just to be sure.

“It is the stupidest children who are the most childish
and the stupidest grown-ups who are the most grown-up.”
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Posted by: kirito.4138

kirito.4138

they finially have to implement higher champ titels… like 1. titel 150wins // 2. 500wins //3. 1000 wins…..

You could go for Champion Brawler title. I’m at 59% completion LOL.

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Posted by: Vincesco.8340

Vincesco.8340

they finially have to implement higher champ titels… like 1. titel 150wins // 2. 500wins //3. 1000 wins…..

You could go for Champion Brawler title. I’m at 59% completion LOL.

Yeah this definitly would be fun, but im missing some titels in between there. (hope you understand).

btw GG for 5900 tourny wins

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Posted by: Yasha.5963

Yasha.5963

ArenaNet please retroactive remove all the glory obtained in skyhammer since the map has been introduced. Only the farmers will disagree with this, the real players will love you. Please do it.

This is a great solution, but I don’t see how they could do it. Is it possible to determine how much rank points you got from a specific map?

Nobody cares abut glory, all they can get from that are dyes. Or kitten armor/weapon.
The problem is about the rank.

For now that’s all you get. But, like I said, can the devs see what specific maps rank points were obtained from? I really doubt it is possible, but I would have no problem if any points for rank or glory I got just from the skyhammer map were taken away.

Or maybe, you could get the title “pro-skyhammer farmer” if you got a certain amount of rank through that map.