Guild Wars 2

I wondered what the PvP community thinks about if the elite specs were kept out pvp. Would it make the gameplay better?

Made that suggestion begin of HoT. Falls on deaf ears.

They don’t need to be kept from pvp, they just need to be nerfed down to core classes level.

Nah. There would just be a new “unbalanced” meta to replace the current elite spec metas, and players would take issue with that one just like they do now.

Most of the pvp playerbase would not have bought the expansion if it wasn’t for elite specs.

And while I agree pvp felt better without them, its naive to think arenanet would do that.

Yes it’s much better without them, but they can’t really remove them.

I don’t mind the concept of elite specs, it’s just that they made them all overpowered…

I’ve said before that if ANet were actually serious about balance they should have locked elites out of ranked play ages ago and gotten their kitten working on balancing them immediately. Fat chance of that ever happening though.

Until elite specs can be brought back to realistic balance, I’m all in favor of removing them from PvP.

Yes, elite specs have ruined this games pvp and potential for esports

I thought the balance in the pre-hot patch was actually quite good, once the elementalists got toned down.

It’s impossible to say how good balance would be in the current state of the game, with the new amulets added and the old bunkery amulets banned, but I don’t think it would be worse.

Broadly speaking, I think it would be really fun if there were a mode with only core specs. I like the idea of game modes with manipulations like that.

Also broadly speaking I wish that core specs were more viable than they currently are. Part of the problem with elite specs at the moment is that, in most cases, not taking the ES is rarely if ever viable.

Sarrs.4831:

I thought the balance in the pre-hot patch was actually quite good, once the elementalists got toned down.

It’s impossible to say how good balance would be in the current state of the game, with the new amulets added and the old bunkery amulets banned, but I don’t think it would be worse.

Broadly speaking, I think it would be really fun if there were a mode with only core specs. I like the idea of game modes with manipulations like that.

Also broadly speaking I wish that core specs were more viable than they currently are. Part of the problem with elite specs at the moment is that, in most cases, not taking the ES is rarely if ever viable.

This exactly, +1 for writing this out

How are they supposed to make their own yacht made of gold while sailing over the tears of F2players. For everyone who haven’t realized it yet, new elite spec will be coming out every expansions they sell and will always be stronger than core. Until then everyone’s stuck running the same elite spec.

None spec team vs adv spec team will always end with adv winning. But instead of having a separate pvp and pve builds they lump them together and just nerf skills instead of fixing issues so they make pve worse because people abuse a skill in pvp.

Like when they removed some visual effects but claimed it wasn’t because it affected pvp performance xD

Drakz.7051:

None spec team vs adv spec team will always end with adv winning. But instead of having a separate pvp and pve builds they lump them together and just nerf skills instead of fixing issues so they make pve worse because people abuse a skill in pvp.

Like when they removed some visual effects but claimed it wasn’t because it affected pvp performance xD

But none of the elements that are overpowered or underpowered in PvE are overpowered or underpowered in PvP. There’s no need for a skill split.

What skills would you split to better balance both PvE and PvP?

The game was best before the Celestial amulet was introduced, there was a role for every class, well except for Necro’s, even Hambow warrior is better than the kitten we have now. Pre Celestial GW2 was the best GW2. No CC spam, no unkillable tanks, except for good bunker Guardians, games were fun and exciting back then, now it’s just one big power creep Condi/CC fest.

Basically if they would stop people from playing the elite specs from being played in pvp, that would mean the ‘’people who only plays pvp’’ will be kinda screwed for buying Heart of Thorns.

Quaman.9167:

They don’t need to be kept from pvp, they just need to be nerfed down to core classes level.

Yeah, it would be lame to lock them out of SPvP entirely. Just need to be brought in line, so either nerf elite specs or make core specs viable.

Take guardian ‘virtues’. The new form is a lot stronger (perfect example is courage), with no real downside.

HoT Elite specs in sPVP should have been sold as ‘Early Access’ – (3 – 6 months).

They should now be opened up and attainable via the PVP reward track.

Sirendor.1394:

Quaman.9167:

They don’t need to be kept from pvp, they just need to be nerfed down to core classes level.

Yeah, it would be lame to lock them out of SPvP entirely. Just need to be brought in line, so either nerf elite specs or make core specs viable.

Take guardian ‘virtues’. The new form is a lot stronger (perfect example is courage), with no real downside.

They can’t do it because of raids… -_- We are forever stuck with this broken garbage, until new xpac comes out and they introduce even more powercreep.

I mean from manager perspective it is great, they make money before ppl leave game. From game balancing point this is probably one of the worst job i have seen in this industry.
The elite specs are not only so much better than core specs, but even if by whatever reason you decide to play core spec anyway, elite specs from other classes will force you to trait into elite anyway other you just can’t complete after certain level.

They promised to reset MMR begin of season 1. They didn’t – they lied.
They said elites are there to increase build variety – jk everyone literary forced into elites – another lie.

Yes. These are the best words.

Elite specs and some other things such as the new ranger pets made pvp to a catastrophy regarding the balancing aspect.
Beating mobs in PvE with dozens of millions of HP and PvP with players who have 20k hp cant work with well with the same mechanics. I want a completely separated enviroment mechanic for both aspects since years.

A retro-mode would be nice with the mechanics from stats of the last update before the addon came out but this wont happen since non-addon owners would profit. Woooooo

Yes.. after playing in ranked for a bit, it’s pretty clear which side is going to win, simply by looking at how many elite specs they’ve got.
If one side has 1-2 reapers, it’s almost an instant win. would be really nice with a separate queue for Core and Exp players, at least for ranked play. otherwise we’ll just keep getting this p2w crap.

I’m a core player. Had the game for a long time, but i’m not at all interested in the pve endgame aspect. I enjoy leveling and pvp. So i have no interest in buying the expansion, apart from the p2w elite specs, but it’s not worth it, and I don’t like playing the imbalanced/OP classes. just feels so cheap.

It’s frustrating.. is there even one class that can do a decent job against elite class?
Been playing rifle engineer and have been able to shut down elites from time to time, but usually it’s the bad elite players and non-reapers.