Guild Wars 2

Currently Rampage has 20 seconds of the following:

1. Very high DPS
2. Large amounts of CC (1 AoE, 1 ranged, 1 spammable daze that cleaves, 1 single target melee)
3. Perma Stability
4. High mobility due to gap closers and reduction on movement-impeding conditions
5. Tanky due to double health pool and 25% incoming damage reduction

And to top it all off, it’s only on a 120s cooldown when traited.

No other elite has access to even 4 out of 5 of those points. This form should not be able to do all five of these simultaneously, one or two of these need to be dropped.

anet looked at it, and liked the powa, so they put it live for all to enjoy the powa

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I think Rampage is balanced

Just don’t allow stomp while active.

Yea, and it’s pretty much been that way since forever. There’s a bit more damage with it now, which is why people are actually taking it, but that’s hardly game breaking.

Rampage may be strong 1v1 but its an elite.. It should be.

Anndd it can be moa’d.

Besides, in its current form it is now actually worth caring about without being overbearing. Before it was laughable.

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Rampage may be strong 1v1 but its an elite.. It should be.

Anndd it can be moa’d.

Besides, in its current form it is now actually worth caring about without being overbearing. Before it was laughable.

You know the problem is that other classes do not have access to such a powerful elite. Look at eles for example, Tornado is probably one of the worst transforms this game has. They either need to buff all of the elites or nerf Rampage to put them in line. But honestly all these zerkers warriors just count on Rampage to win fights, which is kinda dumb if you ask me.

Rampage is very strong for 20 seconds… Then you have to wait a very very long time to drop it again, I’d argue it’s quite well balanced at the moment.

Laraley.7695:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Rampage may be strong 1v1 but its an elite.. It should be.

Anndd it can be moa’d.

Besides, in its current form it is now actually worth caring about without being overbearing. Before it was laughable.

You know the problem is that other classes do not have access to such a powerful elite. Look at eles for example, Tornado is probably one of the worst transforms this game has. They either need to buff all of the elites or nerf Rampage to put them in line. But honestly all these zerkers warriors just count on Rampage to win fights, which is kinda dumb if you ask me.

I agree. But then look at lich. Who’d win, Rampage War or Lich Necro?

Ele’s elite just falls short compared to the other transformations, but I wouldn’t have them toned down to Tornado level and thus all made useless. Tornado should have a powerful presence on the battlefield like the others.

(Then again Eles really got shafted when it comes to useful elites in PvP)

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

phanta literally died to all the thing in the game over 1000 times, does that mean everything should be nerfed to oblivion? the argument is real…

lighter.2708:

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

phanta literally died to all the thing in the game over 1000 times, does that mean everything should be nerfed to oblivion? the argument is real…

If something can be I win button vs one the best Eles in the game, then for sure it requires some changes. Also no idea why people consider adjusting same as nerfing to oblivion…

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

phanta literally died to all the thing in the game over 1000 times, does that mean everything should be nerfed to oblivion? the argument is real…

If something can be I win button vs one the best Eles in the game, then for sure it requires some changes. Also no idea why people consider adjusting same as nerfing to oblivion…

You’re right. The ele should always win; you’ve swayed us all.

abclemons.7093:

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

phanta literally died to all the thing in the game over 1000 times, does that mean everything should be nerfed to oblivion? the argument is real…

If something can be I win button vs one the best Eles in the game, then for sure it requires some changes. Also no idea why people consider adjusting same as nerfing to oblivion…

You’re right. The ele should always win; you’ve swayed us all.

For sure he shouldn’t lose just because someone used Elite skill.

I’m fine with rampage as is and most ppl i talk to that are not warriors are fine with it too

Rampage warrior build is good and has great strengths and big weaknesses which is what I like to see.

Either remove the double HP or damage reduction (or both).

I have no idea why an Ele/Mesmer main is complaining about Zerker Warrior. Pretty fail if you ask me tbh.

I know Rampage is broken atm but nerfing Rampage will only make other cancer in the game stronger.

This game is at a point where nerfing will not work.

P.S It’s the same guy who wanted Cleansing Ire nerfed when he played Slick Shoes and D/D ele back in the cele meta. I honestly believe Lordsoricky is a more plausible person than this guy.

ramage does a lot of damage yes, but not a lot of damage compared to how much damage the warrior does out of rampage. zerker with greatsword gets 4k rushes and 2k autos, 5k rushes in rampage and 3k autos hardly seem insane in comparison. it’s got no more cc and mobility than a hammer/gs warrior has out of rampage either. all in all rampage seems like a solid elite skill.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Laraley.7695:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Rampage may be strong 1v1 but its an elite.. It should be.

Anndd it can be moa’d.

Besides, in its current form it is now actually worth caring about without being overbearing. Before it was laughable.

You know the problem is that other classes do not have access to such a powerful elite. Look at eles for example, Tornado is probably one of the worst transforms this game has. They either need to buff all of the elites or nerf Rampage to put them in line. But honestly all these zerkers warriors just count on Rampage to win fights, which is kinda dumb if you ask me.

I agree. But then look at lich. Who’d win, Rampage War or Lich Necro?

Ele’s elite just falls short compared to the other transformations, but I wouldn’t have them toned down to Tornado level and thus all made useless. Tornado should have a powerful presence on the battlefield like the others.

(Then again Eles really got shafted when it comes to useful elites in PvP)

Rampage warr without a doubt. They take much less damage and have more hp, while having the cc needed to burn through stability, which is a smaller stack on lich, and still dealing similar damage.

It would help if stability could actually be corrupted into frar, but right now it isn’t working. Even if it could, rampage is by far more powerful than lich.

I believe blind still works on Rampage. Can anyone confirm?

It has been complained about before and it is indeed powerful.
Since it is really a power creep patch, it’s better to give skills like this a bit more time. We will see in a few weeks whether it needs a higher cooldown or something.

rampage is balanced.

blind field will render rampage useless.

rampage cannot penetrate blocks and evades.

rampage is fine. just learn to dodge/block the attacks, or just run away until it’s done. zerker warriors don’t have much going for them. ive taken down zerker warriors with rampage on 1v1 with my gs/lb ranger, good ones too.

Actually, I’m completely fine with all of the damage of rampage and the cc. I wouldn’t change that at all.

The only change I would make it so that is shouldn’t have perma stability. It needs more counterplay.

Leodon.1564:

I believe blind still works on Rampage. Can anyone confirm?

Confirming it works, enemy war used rampage earlier today and my necro popped plague, the warrior was totally useless.

style.6173:

Actually, I’m completely fine with all of the damage of rampage and the cc. I wouldn’t change that at all.

The only change I would make it so that is shouldn’t have perma stability. It needs more counterplay.

the counterplay is you kite it, and kill it. without many evades and blocks, probably best not to 1v1 and just leave.

mistsim.2748:

style.6173:

Actually, I’m completely fine with all of the damage of rampage and the cc. I wouldn’t change that at all.

The only change I would make it so that is shouldn’t have perma stability. It needs more counterplay.

the counterplay is you kite it, and kill it. without many evades and blocks, probably best not to 1v1 and just leave.

This is sad but true. When the only counter to it is running away, it is not balance at all. Imo, the CD is too short for such an overwhelming skill.

running away is a counter for builds that don’t have plentiful evades, blinds and blocks. so no, it’s not the only counter. Rampage is ez for most versatile builds.

Rampage is completely balanced.

Rampage is perfect where its at

Ive had my fair share of 1 vs 1 vs ele/guardians/mesmers all have beaten me 1 vs 1 when i used rampage without letting me cap the spot. Currently atm mesmers can do a insane amount of blocks/evades/distortion so rampage just allows the fight be be prolonged.

The better players who face rampage 1 vs 1 end up beating it if they use those all around builds. The only place ramapage is a big advantage is in group fights 3 v s 3, 4 v s 4. Ive had mesmers and thieves go invisible and wait for rampage form to finish and then kill me. Thats also what makes them unique, ive had bunker necros live threw out rampage taking every hit with the insane amount of double health they have aswell as plague which blinds.

I can tell you the better players have already have counters for it. For instance with me i see a warrior i save the endure the pain for warriors then i cripple and force them to use there dash attack and boulder throw. If i can dodge those 2 i clean sailing, it wasnt a huge thing before and it wont heading forward once people ajust.

^ I also feel any nerf to Rampage would make it virtually useless. leave it as is. it should hurt if u get schmacked by those huge telegraphs.

however, knowing WHEN to pop rampage is what sets apart the good warriors from the chaff.

its so slow and so telegraphed, and only does marginally more damage than the zerker warrior who popped it. considering it’s only become viable recently nerfing could make it unviable.

Post-patch, if you want to survive you have to get better at dodging and reading telegraphed attacks. Yes I know there’s quite a few burst skills without telegraph (and stealth attacks obviously don’t telegraph), but that’s another thing: you also should — if you want survivability — sport some sort of protective skill somewhere in your bar.

Rampage is easy to evade; the characters git huge, all their attacks are well telegraphed, they’re slow, they /do/ deal more damage and /do/ take less damage, so what do you do? Avoid them for 20s, come back, spank, move on.

Rampage is just a way better Lich Form. Of course, it’s not the first time warriors have superior versions of what other classes have.

Look at Healing signet vs. Signet of Vampirism, for one.

Zenith.7301:

Rampage is just a way better Lich Form. Of course, it’s not the first time warriors have superior versions of what other classes have.

Look at Healing signet vs. Signet of Vampirism, for one.

Rampage more cc and armor lich form more damage its a different version.

Zenith.7301:

Rampage is just a way better Lich Form. Of course, it’s not the first time warriors have superior versions of what other classes have.

Look at Healing signet vs. Signet of Vampirism, for one.

i disagree with it being better but defiantly situational. A warrior literally has to run up to you and catch you and if there not running immune to condi you can literally blind all there attacks.(eles burns and necro plague form) With lich form you can be fighting outside the circle and kind of snipe from a far. Most of the time lich form gets me its cause i was fighting someone on the mid of the circle and there just free casting on me. Then im sitting there going whoa i just lost 6k health then bam im down. When someone whos using rampage you clearly see him since hes a giant right on you.

In which world you can chain-blind with burns as ele? ;-)

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Currently Rampage has 20 seconds of the following:

1. Very high DPS
2. Large amounts of CC (1 AoE, 1 ranged, 1 spammable daze that cleaves, 1 single target melee)
3. Perma Stability
4. High mobility due to gap closers and reduction on movement-impeding conditions
5. Tanky due to double health pool and 25% incoming damage reduction

And to top it all off, it’s only on a 120s cooldown when traited.

No other elite has access to even 4 out of 5 of those points. This form should not be able to do all five of these simultaneously, one or two of these need to be dropped.

Just because you don’t know how to dealwith it you’re screaming for a nerf ? Your Rampage needs looking at is the same as “Rampage needs a nerf”. Go 1on1 for kittensake and learn how to avoid most Stun locks,blind him,block,use invulns,dodges,gain distance with leaps etc etc etc etc..In other words,l2p.

I’m not sure why people are automatically assuming that I made this post due to not being able to beat it, I’ve beaten it on plenty of occasions.

I wrote this after playing the warrior build for a solid 2 hours yesterday to see what it was about and I literally rolled over everything with no experience with the class and won just as many (or more) games than I did with a class that I’ve played for around a year. This is a clear sign that it rewards too much for too little.

Second of all, people are only focussing on the damage aspect. I don’t have an issue with the damage, it’s the fact that it also has insane CC, perma stab, mobility and tankiness along with it.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

I don’t have an issue with the damage, it’s the fact that it also has insane CC, perma stab, mobility and tankiness along with it.

the warrior should have a lesser version of all of these things outside of rampage. hammer/gs with stances and Yak signet has loads of cc, stab, mobility, innate tankiness, and ruthless damage. rampage has to better than what the warrior already has, or else what’s the point of using rampage?

also, the average pvp player just eats cc and damage and is probably running zerk. not a hard dude to own.

Rampage is fine as it is

Lordrosicky.5813:

Rampage is fine as it is

The balance king has spoken.

Rampage is fine but it should work like plague/lich does. They both kill all your minions and spectral effects.

Rampage should make you lose all your stances so warriors can’t go berserker stance+endure pain and be immortal during it.

Sorel.4870:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Rampage is fine as it is

The balance king has spoken.

Thanks

kdaddy.5431:

Zenith.7301:

Rampage is just a way better Lich Form. Of course, it’s not the first time warriors have superior versions of what other classes have.

Look at Healing signet vs. Signet of Vampirism, for one.

i disagree with it being better but defiantly situational. A warrior literally has to run up to you and catch you and if there not running immune to condi you can literally blind all there attacks.(eles burns and necro plague form) With lich form you can be fighting outside the circle and kind of snipe from a far. Most of the time lich form gets me its cause i was fighting someone on the mid of the circle and there just free casting on me. Then im sitting there going whoa i just lost 6k health then bam im down. When someone whos using rampage you clearly see him since hes a giant right on you.

If you are getting sniped by a projectile that travels slower than a snail/turtle and can simply be side-stepped, it’s your own fault.

Lich form does not even allow the use of utilities, so the necro lich form can’t even run condition immune, his projectiles can be reflected/blinded as well, and lich form in fact does not deal more damage and it doesn’t even offer CC.

In fact, the damage comparison between lich 1 spam and a deaths shroud necro build #1 spam produced similar dps in pve scenarios. A necro running dagger/focus with well of suffering actually puts out more damage doing autoattacks than using lich form, it’s why no necros use lich form in PvE.

People just see a single hit at a slower interval as “more damage” than several more hits at shorter intervals.

It’s a long recharge elite. It should be powerful enough to turn the tide of a battle when used. If you are not prepared against it (namely blocks and blindness), you should try to avoid it.

Of course then you have things like mortar and basilisk venom that are used more often, but they don’t have Rampage’s recharge.

Lich OP , rampage oki.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Currently Rampage has 20 seconds of the following:

1. Very high DPS
2. Large amounts of CC (1 AoE, 1 ranged, 1 spammable daze that cleaves, 1 single target melee)
3. Perma Stability
4. High mobility due to gap closers and reduction on movement-impeding conditions
5. Tanky due to double health pool and 25% incoming damage reduction

And to top it all off, it’s only on a 120s cooldown when traited.

No other elite has access to even 4 out of 5 of those points. This form should not be able to do all five of these simultaneously, one or two of these need to be dropped.

learn to kite, learn to dodge!

Well… at least it’s actually good now.

What this really means is that there’s still hope for tornado… there must be…