Guild Wars 2

Ele’s really arn’t that bad tbt, it just takes alot more skill to pull of than the other meta builds and its really the counters from classes and s/d thieves that shut eles down, nerf the other builds, dont change ele.

Achilles.2197:

silvermember.8941:

cool story brah.

Saying PvP is dead doesn’t suddenly make it more dead than it was the first month after release or the last 100k times someone said it.

Except it is.

Ok.

Marcos.3690:

MyPuppy.8970:

Oh come on, I do agree with most of the complaints, but the class is not that weak.

Try playing it.

Ele vs mesmer: Mesmer wins (unless he is using portal+illusion)
Ele vs warrior: Warrior wins. Always
Ele vs ranger: Ranger wins. Always
Ele vs thief: Thief wins, unless he is really bad.
Ele vs necro: Necro wins
Ele vs engi: engi wins
Ele vs guardian: No one wins.

Why would any team bring a class that is likely to lose every 1v1?

- Considering a fair 1v1 vs an equally skilled player.

I only play with my ele.

And I win in most 1v1 situations when i’m not screwing things up. Though I admit I’m not a top player, i wouldn’t lose before making my opponent eat his teeth.

The only truth is I have to double-triple the efforts and mistakes are not forgiving.

NO , they cant buff eles , they need to nerf other profesions , is they would double eles HP omg walking killing machine :P

Nerf other classees people will scream, buff the ele people will cry. This is a huge dilemma. Folks usually accept more easily being killed by a warrior than someone wearing a dress and doing flashy stuffs.

I love these new Pvp Ghosts and Non-pvp players who come into this forum and say that pvp is dead.

After patch growth period; people are coming back and I’m getting insta ques; can’t wait till balance hits on the 15th.

Darnis.4056:

I love these new Pvp Ghosts and Non-pvp players who come into this forum and say that pvp is dead.

After patch growth period; people are coming back and I’m getting insta ques; can’t wait till balance hits on the 15th.

You are getting insta queues O_O

I guess we’ve reached the 400 pvpers mark!

Oh wait, they sold millions of copies

I played around 10-15 Team Que matches last night…

Listen if you’re just going to be negative with no evidence to back up your stats I’d suggest you refrain…

Where’d you get 400 from? Just hotjoin servers probably have that much,
20 full hotjoin servers are not an uncommon sight at primetime.

Darnis.4056:

I played around 10-15 Team Que matches last night…

Listen if you’re just going to be negative with no evidence to back up your stats I’d suggest you refrain…

Where’d you get 400 from? Just hotjoin servers probably have that much,
20 full hotjoin servers are not an uncommon sight at primetime.

Ok, im gonna be a nice guy and x3 that quantity. 1200 players. Still sad.

1200 is probably a fairer assessment…. and we have been bleeding players..
I wonder if things will change around october 15th…

I still play at night when I don’t have any work to do, and as long as pvp stays fun for me any my friends we’ll keep playing.

Before I’ve spammed forums with requests for devs to publish some numbers on player pop but right now it might actually be a terrible time to do that..

Marcos.3690:

feliscatus.1430:

Ele’s are so overnerfed it’s laughable. You could double their base HP, and MAYBE they’d be viable.

This is so true

That’s less important than the massive nerf their sustain (dodge roll healing + signet heal) took at the same time their mobility was effectively gutted (stunbreak off lightning flash, massive increase to recharges on offhand dagger)

Shananigans.8412:

Ele’s really arn’t that bad tbh, it just takes alot more skill to pull of than the other meta builds and its really the counters from classes and s/d thieves that shut eles down, nerf the other builds, dont change ele.

This.

If I could put out the same if not a better output damage-wise or team support wise while not requiring too much effort, I go for the more efficient choice.

The ele class is for masochist players. That’s all there is to it.

Ele should beat a d/p thief pretty easily unless the thief gets an unfair jump.

Why you think that support class should be some super killing machine? Use staff and heal.

the only thing that bothers me the most about all this is the fact that while eles will get some buffs next patch, so does everyone else….again. Therefore it will probably stay at the same status quo…

Junkpile.7439:

Why you think that support class should be some super killing machine? Use staff and heal.

A.net official elem presentation: Elementalists are multi-faceted spellcasters that channel elemental forces, making fire, air, earth, and water do their bidding. What they lack in physical toughness, they make up in versatility and the ability to inflict massive damage in a single attack.

talife.5927:

Junkpile.7439:

Why you think that support class should be some super killing machine? Use staff and heal.

A.net official elem presentation: Elementalists are multi-faceted spellcasters that channel elemental forces, making fire, air, earth, and water do their bidding. What they lack in physical toughness, they make up in versatility and the ability to inflict massive damage in a single attack.

Reworded on recent lights;

“Elementalists are pidgeonholed autoattack lackers who are stuck in elemtal attunements for long periods of time, making fire, air, water and earth be in cooldown when you actually need it. What they lack in physical toughness they also lack in healing and damage, but they make it up in the ability to kindly distribute loot bags to enemy teams, while inflicting ok damage vs critters”

Marcos.3690:

Try playing it.

Less face-smashing, more kiting, more intelligent gameplay. That’s all.

If you expect to be able to run into brick walls face-first and win, you’re playing the wrong class. This is equivalent to face-checking bushes on League of Legends with Lux, and then wondering why you died.

The real issue in PvP right now is how NON-intelligent gameplay is reigning supreme. Conditions as a main damage source takes zero skill – almost no precise timing necessary, and brain-dead easily spammable. Conditions from medium cooldown utility skills = good and healthy for the game. Bleeding + Burn + Weakness + Poison + etc from autoattacks = No.

Like I stated already, Eles (and even Mesmers) are fine the way they are designed now.

Shananigans.8412:

Ele’s really arn’t that bad tbt, it just takes alot more skill to pull of than the other meta builds and its really the counters from classes and s/d thieves that shut eles down, nerf the other builds, dont change ele.

Well if it takes a lot more skill to pull off, wouldn’t that make them kind of bad? After all you’d want to compare fighters of similar proficiency in their classes.

Navzar.2938:

Shananigans.8412:

Ele’s really arn’t that bad tbt, it just takes alot more skill to pull of than the other meta builds and its really the counters from classes and s/d thieves that shut eles down, nerf the other builds, dont change ele.

Well if it takes a lot more skill to pull off, wouldn’t that make them kind of bad? After all you’d want to compare fighters of similar proficiency in their classes.

I don’t get why people thinking overly complicated is good. Overly complicated is good only if:
1. Everything is equally complicated.
2. You get rewarded for being the overly complicated.

elementalist has neither going for it. Why put in 3 times the effort to be average or below avg, where you can put in zero effort and get a significantly higher result.

Doing math test without a calculator is nice, it makes you feel better, but why would you, if everybody else is using a calculator on that same test and getting a higher score than you.

Not to mention how many of the ele utilities are not on par with every other class. Oh and how the eles disengage was nerf hammered while the wars disengage was buffed to the point of being able to totally run from a zerg. Point being, the many aspects of what is wrong with the ele comes mostly from area nets nerfs to the class or major buffs to particular aspects of other classes that the ele is weak against.

From what I have observed and read, my impression is that the problem for Eles is that the current FOTM are massively overpowered and easy to play, while builds that are similar for the Ele were nerfed long ago and as such the Ele doesn’t have an OP EZ mode build they can use to compete in a broken meta game.

I would say that these builds need to be brought back in line. I guess you could also give the Ele one massively broken build as well… but this reduces the overall depth in the game, although it would be another way to achieve balance. As per Sirlin, a game only has depth is if there are multiple viable choices that are competitive in the game.

Having a one or two builds per class that are hysterically OP could in theory be balanced but people might get bored on being pigeonholed into one thing forever and ever, not to mention that could shift the game more from personal skill and more into rock-paper-scissors “my build is better than yours” gameplay, which I don’t think makes for good watching, and part of why I don’t care to watch tournaments at all. There’s nothing to really admire, like Hellseth said, you just pick up what’s broken and start spamming.

Arcane traits nerfed, updraft nerfed, unsteady ground buffed

ha

Miz.2761:

Arcane traits nerfed, updraft nerfed, unsteady ground buffed

ha

Typical elementalist “buff”. Hey don’t nerf the warrior, necro and other class. Nerf the most balance class currently in the game, brilliant.

Just freaking brilliant, can we nominate the balance team for the Darwin award?

The Primary.6371:

Not to mention how many of the ele utilities are not on par with every other class. Oh and how the eles disengage was nerf hammered while the wars disengage was buffed to the point of being able to totally run from a zerg. Point being, the many aspects of what is wrong with the ele comes mostly from area nets nerfs to the class or major buffs to particular aspects of other classes that the ele is weak against.

This is one of my biggest gripes, how come a guard has access to stability ever 24 secs teamwide but my ele has the same in 90 secs CD?! Guard as a mist form that actually heal them on a 25 secs CD (their heal which blocks everything and heals at the end, apparently eles using utilities and heal during mist forwith 75 CD was too strong…)

Cant outrun anyone, cant heal (look at warriors healing signet, more than twice our base hp, dont need to spend any skill to get healing from it, heals them for too much per second…) , cant blind, cant stealth, cant use clones, cant use skills when dead……how the heck are we supposed to do any damage in a fight if 80% of the time we are too busy trying to keep ourselves alive……?!

Fortus.6175:

Cant outrun anyone, cant heal (look at warriors healing signet, more than twice our base hp, dont need to spend any skill to get healing from it, heals them for too much per second…) , cant blind, cant stealth, cant use clones, cant use skills when dead……how the heck are we supposed to do any damage in a fight if 80% of the time we are too busy trying to keep ourselves alive……?!

You play ele for teh challenge.

Go play S/D thief or Healing Signet Warrior and dominate within a few minutes without even reading skills and traits tooltips. Trust me on this one.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Fortus.6175:

Cant outrun anyone, cant heal (look at warriors healing signet, more than twice our base hp, dont need to spend any skill to get healing from it, heals them for too much per second…) , cant blind, cant stealth, cant use clones, cant use skills when dead……how the heck are we supposed to do any damage in a fight if 80% of the time we are too busy trying to keep ourselves alive……?!

You play ele for teh challenge.

Go play S/D thief or Healing Signet Warrior and dominate within a few minutes without even reading skills and traits tooltips. Trust me on this one.

I would be ok if challenge translated into; “harder but still effective” rather than “harder but very ineffective still” , my goodness, I copy pasta signet warrior build into PvP and rolled heads …..