Guild Wars 2

The QP list gave out rewards for top 100 in NA, and in EU, with how broken this system currently is (thanks for fixing it Tuesday), you could still reward top 100 players IF they have more than 100 games played. I think that small requirement would exclude all of the exploiters. Thoughts?

That is what many of us are asking frequently, but there is no official response about it, so maybe they aren´t sure about giving anything

I like your stipulation of “more than 100 games”, but then again I am biased. I do think there should be some minor reward (such as a title). We played on this leaderboard while reading devs talk about giving recognition/rewards based on LB rank in the future (I can look for the sources), and now it’s being erased/reset. What harm would it do to give us a title?

Lux.7169:

I like your stipulation of “more than 100 games”, but then again I am biased. I do think there should be some minor reward (such as a title). We played on this leaderboard while reading devs talk about giving recognition/rewards based on LB rank in the future (I can look for the sources), and now it’s being erased/reset. What harm would it do to give us a title?

Yeah, I’d really like to see ‘Seasons’ with their own unique rewards, like many other PvP games have, but I guess i should make it clear, that I’d much prefer to NOT get anything, than to get something, and have the leaderboard ‘AFKers, and exploiters’ get something as well.

Nothing.8564:

The QP list gave out rewards for top 100 in NA, and in EU, with how broken this system currently is (thanks for fixing it Tuesday), you could still reward top 100 players IF they have more than 100 games played. I think that small requirement would exclude all of the exploiters. Thoughts?

It’s really good idea!

Why not have titles only usable while leaderboard rank is maintained in the top 100?

Otherwise we will just see an increase of people using faceroll builds to get into the top 100 once for the title and then stop.

I agree players should really be given titles upon reset. TPVP not solo Q

Or different titles for tPvP and SoloQ.

From my understanding tPvP isn’t getting reset, nor is it getting much attention from anet =\

Lux.7169:

From my understanding tPvP isn’t getting reset, nor is it getting much attention from anet =\

Team queue leaderboard is also being reset – reread Justin’s first post in the matchmaking changes thread

Kavia.8249:

Lux.7169:

From my understanding tPvP isn’t getting reset, nor is it getting much attention from anet =\

Team queue leaderboard is also being reset – reread Justin’s first post in the matchmaking changes thread

Really? I wonder if this is to wipe some of the decay out of them or what. I can’t see them revamping the way they match teams in team Q since that didn’t seem to be a problem. I am really curious as to what is instigating the tQ LB reset.

no rewards for this , system is broken , ppl are abusing it so i dont think its good to rward ppl for that , 1st make good working system then rewards

Forsaker.9213:

no rewards for this , system is broken , ppl are abusing it so i dont think its good to rward ppl for that , 1st make good working system then rewards

pve is too easy too and has a flawed system that rewards RNG luck, zerging habits, and doesn’t reward skill over time played; I think we should stop giving pve’ers items for using the flawed mystic forge and dungeon paths.

this is pvp forum and i dont care about pve those are 2 diffrent things so plz dont compare it

I don´t see where is the problem for rewarding players yet

Forsaker.9213:

this is pvp forum and i dont care about pve those are 2 diffrent things so plz dont compare it

How about the title rewards for QP where the players with the most wins total got special prizes?

Should those be revoked? Those were even more flawed than the current system because it just rewarded # of wins and had nothing to do with any rating or match-making. I knew of teams who were sync q’ing to trade wins/losses.

What does it matter to you if someone gets a title for this? Why are you so offended by it? I’m genuinely curious.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

I don´t see where is the problem for rewarding players yet

This exactly.

Dustin.2793:

I agree players should really be given titles upon reset. TPVP not solo Q

I’d rather see titles for solo q. I definitely agree with the OP about a minimum number of games. I’d also like to see a minimum number of games over the past two weeks or so as well. Leaderboard decay is too slow.

Nothing.8564:

The QP list gave out rewards for top 100 in NA, and in EU, with how broken this system currently is (thanks for fixing it Tuesday), you could still reward top 100 players IF they have more than 100 games played. I think that small requirement would exclude all of the exploiters. Thoughts?

Your name is perfect, because that’s exactly what people that made it on these cheaterboards should get.

They still have the data, they could, if they want to, reward it later, when they have some rewards in place.

why does everyone assume that people in top 100 cheated? lol.

Jealousy.

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No rewards pls until the entire leaderboard system is fixed, and this next update wont cut it.

Arenanet dont give out Rewards for kittens. The Matchmaking and Leaderboards are broken so why should anyone get a Reward climbing up a broken Leaderboard and with a broken Matchmaking?

and still Team Arena is more like Random vs Premade , its very easy to get Top 100 in Team Arena for exsample by just farming randoms , since you can sign up Team Arena alone or with 2er or 3er or 4er Group. Team Arena Sign up should be only available for 5er Groups so its only Premade vs Premade for the sake of Competition.

I really hope they give titles for Team Arena with this reset, it only seems fair. QP points were an extremely broken system, but the top players in that were still rewarded so I see no reason to not do it this time.

Top 100 should have the option of displaying their ladder rank as their in-game title.

A simple “#51” for example. Strike fear in foes by showing off ladder ranking.

Leader board is broken and exploitable to ridiculous levels.No one should be rewarded since IT IS BROKEN and every partecipant benefited or droped in ranks where they should not be because of this issue.

zone.1073:

Top 100 should have the option of displaying their ladder rank as their in-game title.

A simple “#51” for example. Strike fear in foes by showing off ladder ranking.

Top 100 should be given the title" exploit ftw" and should not be removable.How about that reward?If you are that good then there is no problem you guys still have both hands do you?

Oblivion.8307:

why does everyone assume that people in top 100 cheated? lol.

Yes.Actually now that i think about it this makes perfect sense.It is perfectly clear that Arenanet decided to rework and reset everyones ranks and ladder system because some ranks 189923 and 209387 exploited to get 189922 and 209386.Thank you for opening our eyes.

mini.6018:

zone.1073:

Top 100 should have the option of displaying their ladder rank as their in-game title.

A simple “#51” for example. Strike fear in foes by showing off ladder ranking.

Top 100 should be given the title" exploit ftw" and should not be removable.How about that reward?If you are that good then there is no problem you guys still have both hands do you?

Let me guess, another person who barely does any PvP and assumes anyone in the top 100 exploited to get there… (no im not talking about solo q)

Damsel Delilah.9084:

mini.6018:

zone.1073:

Top 100 should have the option of displaying their ladder rank as their in-game title.

A simple “#51” for example. Strike fear in foes by showing off ladder ranking.

Top 100 should be given the title" exploit ftw" and should not be removable.How about that reward?If you are that good then there is no problem you guys still have both hands do you?

Let me guess, another person who barely does any PvP and assumes anyone in the top 100 exploited to get there… (no im not talking about solo q)

Both ladders are broken.Soloq and Teamq are both affected by decay and bad matchmaking.Soloq is also affected by sync exploits but that does not make team q any more legit.Bad Matchmaking still affects both ladders.

mini.6018:

Damsel Delilah.9084:

mini.6018:

Top 100 should be given the title" exploit ftw" and should not be removable.How about that reward?If you are that good then there is no problem you guys still have both hands do you?

Let me guess, another person who barely does any PvP and assumes anyone in the top 100 exploited to get there… (no im not talking about solo q)

Both ladders are broken.Soloq and Teamq are both affected by decay and bad matchmaking.Soloq is also affected by sync exploits but that does not make team q any more legit.Bad Matchmaking still affects both ladders.

You have 73 games in total, all in solo queue and are not even ranked in team queue, I don’t think you really have the ability to be stating things like you are when you don’t even play the PvP yourself.

Damsel Delilah.9084:

mini.6018:

Damsel Delilah.9084:

mini.6018:

Top 100 should be given the title" exploit ftw" and should not be removable.How about that reward?If you are that good then there is no problem you guys still have both hands do you?

Let me guess, another person who barely does any PvP and assumes anyone in the top 100 exploited to get there… (no im not talking about solo q)

Both ladders are broken.Soloq and Teamq are both affected by decay and bad matchmaking.Soloq is also affected by sync exploits but that does not make team q any more legit.Bad Matchmaking still affects both ladders.

You have 73 games in total, all in solo queue and are not even ranked in team queue, I don’t think you really have the ability to be stating things like you are when you don’t even play the PvP yourself.

I only play hotjoin because the system is broken(Duh!).73 matches is enough to understand that you are paired in 4v5s and against ranks 40-50-60-40-40 vs ranks 5-10-30-10-5 and the system is faulty.Tons of people can confirm this.Arenanet already OFFICIALLY stated that the boards and matchmaking are broken.If that is not enough for you as proof paired with the countless threads asking for fixes then i don’t know what to say more.

mini.6018:

I only play hotjoin because the system is broken.73 matches is enough to understand that you are paired in 4v5s and against ranks 40-50-60-40.40 vs ranks 5-10-30-10-5 and the system is faulty.

This isn’t about Solo Q, nobody is saying Solo Q is not broken. (because it clearly is and even if it wasn’kittens just Solo Q.) However, on the other hand we have Team Arena where it is far different, it is not the perfect system…we all know this, but Qualifier Points were FAR from perfect and players were still rewarded for those when we switched over to leader boards.

mini.6018:

Oblivion.8307:

why does everyone assume that people in top 100 cheated? lol.

Yes.Actually now that i think about it this makes perfect sense.It is perfectly clear that Arenanet decided to rework and reset everyones ranks and ladder system because some ranks 189923 and 209387 exploited to get 189922 and 209386.Thank you for opening our eyes.

I’ve climbed to top 100 on three seperate accounts (reaching rank 1 on na lol) without sync queueing. There’s even a vod of my 11 games to rank 1.

nobody cares about ranking anyway if it’s soloq. people just join it to avoid 8v8 from hotjoin servers.

this is why we dont get shiny things

some people always think they deserve more – even when everyone know its broken and abused

sure some/a lot players are legit in top 100 but alot will never be there again once it is fixed

Oblivion.8307:

mini.6018:

Oblivion.8307:

why does everyone assume that people in top 100 cheated? lol.

Yes.Actually now that i think about it this makes perfect sense.It is perfectly clear that Arenanet decided to rework and reset everyones ranks and ladder system because some ranks 189923 and 209387 exploited to get 189922 and 209386.Thank you for opening our eyes.

I’ve climbed to top 100 on three seperate accounts (reaching rank 1 on na lol) without sync queueing. There’s even a vod of my 11 games to rank 1.

I am not sure that the fact you use as many accounts as necesarry to get on lederboards is a good response to that accusation.

And can someone explain why everyone is praising team arena lederboards and bashing solo arena ones. Since people can join team arenas alone or in pair and quite many are doing that. If you have a decent premade team with premade builds and voice chat you should have little problem winning against teams who are made from 5 random people who have no voice chat and random builds. I have guildies who dont even have a solo arena lederboards but have hundreds of games plaid in team arena which they joind alone or in pair.

If there will be rewards good. If there will be no rewards also good. I would just like someone to explain to me why Team Arenas are so much better than Solo Arenas. Because so many people are saying “you should reward team arenas lederboards but definitely not solo arena”. Even if so many Team Arena “Champions” come syncing to Solo Arenas which is the reason the solo leaderboards are a joke in the first place.

Personally I’d be all for some minor rewards for those on the leaderboard, but I might be slightly biased :P But when you consider that the QPs were given rewards and that system was even worse, I don’t see why not this current leaderboard.

On a more serious note, ‘sync queueing’ and all that really isn’t that big of a factor in the current system. Matchmaking has problems yes, but the most important thing affecting the leaderboards atm is how the decay system currently works.

It comes to a point where not playing rewards you more than playing. Simply not play for a couple weeks and then play one match and win or lose you’ll regain or even surpass your old ranking. The win rate required to simply maintain a high leaderboard ranking is absurd let alone actually gaining rank. If the matchmaking is fixed, and you start getting matched against equally strong teams you just won’t be able to maintain a 75% minimum win rate if you wish to stay at the top of the leaderboards. What this patch will do, if anything, is increase the appeal of playing just a few games and getting a good ranking, and then abusing the decay system to stay there. Until the decay system, or the way you receive mmr from matches are changed, the leaderboards will not be working competently.

Mladi Bojevnik.2517:

And can someone explain why everyone is praising team arena lederboards and bashing solo arena ones.

To clarify with information you’re probably already aware of, Solo Q is considered in a more broken state than team Q because of the way matches are created. In Solo Q there’s a huge propensity to pair the top 5 players in the Q on the same team and the bottom 5 players in that Q on the opposing team. This isn’t the case in team Q since in team Q you theoretically create your own team.

In my opinion that’s the main reason there’s so much antagonism towards Solo Q. Although some would also say that the lack of coordination compared to team Q make solo Q a joke, but I personally disagree. The only qualm I have is with the lopsided matches.

Hyperthetical – Anet announce that those who finish in the top 100 in Solo Q Leaderboard will get a title before it resets. What will happen? The top 100 wont bother playing or they will play the ‘minimum’ amount needed to stay in the top 100 if they happen to get pushed out. People close to the top will try to push for the top 100 and will probably try to do whatever makes it easier for them to achieve it (syncing, playing during the dead hrs etc). Those sitting pretty at the very top will probably just monitor their leaderboard position daily and if they slip close to exiting the top 100 will play a game or two and make sure its one that is in their favor.

What I’m trying to get at is if anet announces a title now for the top 100 with the lack of decay in place your going to see hardly anyone in a position of a title do anything to jeopardize it, which is to say play the least amount of games to keep their position or none at all. The leaderboard hardly moves around the top 100 because everyone protects their rank.

If anet was going to introduce a title, it had to have happened before the leaderboards were implemented or else it should never happen, not in this current state as by design the leaderboard was flawed from the beginning.

I really SMILE when Forsaker ask no reward, system abuse,

ECLIPSE TEAM are the first to abuse system, and talk about no reward PPL EPIC

I love when i played on solo Q, and i Saw at begening : " Zlatanisé Team vs Eclipse Team " composed by XerreX, Forsaker and other teamate they have.

Epic, first arena net don’t have to improve system, but they should also ban system abuse like ECLIPSE TEAM then improve system.

teamQ is same broken and eploited/abused

most teams farmed on there way 1-3 people groups and made with this more rank than they deserve
i know there are teams looking for other teams when they join or are offline …. to avoid them and farm easy targets

get over it

system is broken and arenanet fix it now

edit: i even remember a match while watching teldostream – the enemyteam faced from team paradigm had 3 members from my Pvx guild, a girl rank 40% and the others not even ranked + other randoms – i remember this cause was fun in our ts^^ but seriously? how can reward this?^^

Lux.7169:

Mladi Bojevnik.2517:

And can someone explain why everyone is praising team arena lederboards and bashing solo arena ones.

To clarify with information you’re probably already aware of, Solo Q is considered in a more broken state than team Q because of the way matches are created. In Solo Q there’s a huge propensity to pair the top 5 players in the Q on the same team and the bottom 5 players in that Q on the opposing team. This isn’t the case in team Q since in team Q you theoretically create your own team.

In my opinion that’s the main reason there’s so much antagonism towards Solo Q. Although some would also say that the lack of coordination compared to team Q make solo Q a joke, but I personally disagree. The only qualm I have is with the lopsided matches.

Could be true yes. But many people are forgeting that because of such broken system many are on giving side (especialy if you are a syncer) and it is funny how they say stuff like “i know it is wrong but it is so much fun to play with friends” since you have team arenas for that and you also have to realize 5 players are always on the taking side of bad matchmaking.

I think team arenas are broken with the ability to join them without a full team. The reason that is even possible if probably the small playerbase pvp has.

This thread seems to be more active than the other one so I will just repost my thoughts on why rewards should not be given.

The system is too flawed for the leaderboards to mean anything, so how could any rewards be given based on placement? Here are a few big reasons why leaderboards are meaningless/flawed/irrelevant:

1) Flawed matchmaking. I remember a period of a couple hundred games where I could count the number of real games that were played on my hands (less than 10, or 5%). Why should I be rewarded for winning games that I could win with no weapons? You can lose every single real, balanced game and it won’t even be noticeable with the sheer quantity of farming stacked games. You can further take advantage by friending people in the top50/100 and only queuing when there are a handful of them queuing. Obviously this is quite similar to “syncing” and reserved for terrible people, but it also happens incidentally depending on the hours that you play. This is pretty common even in primetime if some people are already in matches while others are queuing.

2) Decay(?). It has been proven multiple times that a great way to climb the leaderboards is to afk for a couple of months, then come back and play one game. Winning or losing the game is largely irrelevant; you will go up in rank either way. The system rewards not playing, so how can the leaderboards mean anything?

3) We can’t forget about glorious sync queuers.

tl;dr Many people hate sync queuers and afk climbers, but the truth is everyone’s leaderboard rank is just as tainted by the terrible matchmaking system that is currently in place. If no one has a legitimate leaderboard rank, no rewards can be given

Give everyone 5 extra candycorn.

There is no chance anyone should be rewarded for being somewhere on the Leaderboards.

CMC explained perfectly the reason why.

Edit: Syncing in SoloQ has been happening nearly all day in EU – I have never seen it this bad. I am not sure what these people are trying to achieve but this is exactly why no one should be rewarded.

Romek.4201:

teamQ is same broken and eploited/abused

most teams farmed on there way 1-3 people groups and made with this more rank than they deserve
i know there are teams looking for other teams when they join or are offline …. to avoid them and farm easy targets

get over it

This. Thats why nobody should get Reward. Matchmaking Broken / Team Arena Sign Up Broken / Leaderboard Broken. Arenanet did a mistake to Reward People which had alot of QP Points , the old Leaderboard with QP Points was also broken. Dont do this mistake again.

First , Arenanet need to fix everything and then they can think about Rewards….End of Story. I am continue playing Battlefield 4 , maybe i will log in Guild Wars 2 next Year when new PvP Reward Patch is online but i am afraid that there will be no more PvP Players left then.

Qpoints for winners were fine…but they obviously changed the system for a more “casual friendly” (lol) rewarding qpnts even when losing…so ppl went farming like mad kittens and got their title anyway….you’re bad? No problem…just farm and exploit more..use brains anet for god’s sake..

This thread just reflects how bad human nature is. People are asking for a reward which if it will happen will probably be some title (that most wont even use) or 5 turney win reward chests with no affect on other players what so ever.

And yet people are crying how unfair that would be. It almost fells like Anet would be giving out 1000$ to everyone on leaderboards.

And whinning because some players got reward for QP months ago ? Really ? I did not even know they did and from my experience until now I doubt it was anything gamebreaking. Probably 1g worth of stuff for 1st place.

Noone will lose anything if they give out rewards and some will get some minor reward.

Mladi Bojevnik.2517:

This thread just reflects how bad human nature is. People are asking for a reward which if it will happen will probably be some title (that most wont even use) or 5 turney win reward chests with no affect on other players what so ever.

And yet people are crying how unfair that would be. It almost fells like Anet would be giving out 1000$ to everyone on leaderboards.

And whinning because some players got reward for QP months ago ? Really ? I did not even know they did and from my experience until now I doubt it was anything gamebreaking. Probably 1g worth of stuff for 1st place.

Noone will lose anything if they give out rewards and some will get some minor reward.

My thoughts exactly.

PvP is already suffering from a severe drought of rewards in every manner, yet at the SLIGHTEST suggestion of it people go ballistic ranting and venting about how it would be horrible to release rewards for something like LB.

Do they have any suggestions for offering titles or rewards? None have been posted by a single person who has voiced their opinion against it, they’re just antagonizing to grief everyone is what it seems like. Who cares if some people get titles or some miniscule form of recognition for participating in a LB that Anet created? If anet wants to give players some minor title who cares? How does it affect everyone else? If they don’t take the title seriously then it should have no impact what-so-ever but to simply rant and vent and scream about it in the forums seems a kittenildish.

As has been said before, they gave unique titles to people who literally ‘farmed’ QP’s… which was based just on winning/grinding games during the QP era. If anything that was severely more flawed than this current system.