Guild Wars 2

As someone who mains a Guardian for more than 200 PvP matches.

Nerf It by 50% of the current time for all buffs or as the skill description says, when an ally has a condition, and not everytime by himself, etc.

Mix It with the support tome, and It’s literally /godmode for palad—- Guardians.

(ps: I don’t use this shout and never plan to do so.)

You do know that there are classes that can competley counter this ability right?

The problem is the meta hasn’t fully developed so people don’t bring the counters for it.

Hard Counters for it are :
Mesmer Arcane Thievery
Necro Corrupt Boon

There are also plenty of boon stripping abilities in the game that counter it very well.

A necro can completely negate that little move, I do it all the time especially in WvW when I see 10 boons pop up on the guardian, I yank some of those boons off him and he goes down easier. There’s also a debuff (forget the name) that drops his regen/healing by 50% (but also affects yourself too).

Talking about the meta not fully developing and then mentioning necros in the same sentence.

Sorry, bringing a necro over a guardian in order to counter (if it lands btw, 50% chance it fails) one single annoying ability does not outweigh the fact that a necro is just a useless class.

Daays.4317:

Talking about the meta not fully developing and then mentioning necros in the same sentence.

Sorry, bringing a necro over a guardian in order to counter (if it lands btw, 50% chance it fails) one single annoying ability does not outweigh the fact that a necro is just a useless class.

guess you aren’t up to date

necro is played by most teams in forest & guild now

Considering there are hard and soft counters to this one move I don’t see the point in nerfing it. A list you may want to read. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boon#Skills_that_remove_boons

Cool story.

Considering my pug team of DWi members has not lost yet to a top end team with a necro, gonna go ahead and say necros are useless.

The moment they swap him out for a guardian, the fights are infinitely harder.

You’re sacrificing group stability, group condition removal, retaliation, and control for…..blinds? Boon removal? Your focus targets anyways are DPS then support. Not to mention a mesmer has aoe boon AND condition removal AND portal.

Necros are awful. Teams playing with them just want to be different. Like thieves wanting to use s/d. Mediocre at best. They work in free tournies because you play pug teams 99% of the time.

Be sure to half the cooldown on the skill with the 50% reduction in boon duration .

Do that and i’ll be OK with it.

Daays.4317:

Cool story.

Considering my pug team of DWi members has not lost yet to a top end team with a necro, gonna go ahead and say necros are useless.

rofl jokestime

The moment they swap him out for a guardian, the fights are infinitely harder.

You’re sacrificing group stability, group condition removal, retaliation, and control for…..blinds? Boon removal? Your focus targets anyways are DPS then support. Not to mention a mesmer has aoe boon AND condition removal AND portal.

Necros are awful. Teams playing with them just want to be different. Like thieves wanting to use s/d. Mediocre at best. They work in free tournies because you play pug teams 99% of the time.

First off, who says you’d completely replace a Guardian with a Necro. Posters were saying that Necros are counters, not that they were better at bunker. Most of the top teams run a Necro, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Second, Necros are easily the best counter to Guardians right now. That being said, you’re still going to need to stack numbers to reliable down one. Corrupt Boons is extremely effective, especially when they put any form of Protection, Regeneration, or Stability up.

Third, Necros are easily the strongest condition profession in the game. Couple Scepter/Dagger with Epidemic and you have extreme AoE output.

Are Guardians counterable? Yes. Do they need adjustments? Definitely. Bunkers are defining the meta right now, the amount of 4v4 fights and team stacking caused by them are pretty detrimental to strategy and variety in team strategy in general. There’s almost no need to run high mobility with Guardian Bunkers and Portal.

^ what he said

Daays you are clearly as good as you think you are. If you can’t understand the most effective way to use the classes in the game, I’d say you should stick to 8s

i used to think save yourselves was uber …. til the time I used it an instantly died.
i then read the tooltip.
happened again to me lastnight. a necro can put ONE ring of poison on the floor, all your team can trip it and you can pull 10 stacks of poison onto you and 10 stacks of vulnerability. i pulled 20 stacks of vulnerability onto me lastnight, i LIVED, but I hadnt noticed what I pulled ONTO me from someone else til I got hit for 6k

there is a warrior skill that REMOVES all conditions and gives you EVERY boon for warrior and thats fine, but a guardian skill that gives you boons and takes all conditions from everyone else onto you.. needs a nerf?????

You can stop mentioning top teams. I’ve played against them. Every time they want to use a necro, they lose. If they swap it out, we go 50/50. It’s a game changer using the class, and not in their favor. And yes, they typically replace their guardian for a necro.

Necros aren’t even close to being the strongest condition damage in the game. Engineers take that role, because they actually use all of them. Mesmers come in second. Then necros. Being a condition class and being 100% reliant on one condition to do damage (as poison is there to stop healing) does not make you good condition class. In fact, it makes you a very poor one. Not to mention you build for tank anyways, so your bleed are ticking for 90 instead of 110.

How you can even think necros are the best condi damage class is beyond me.

But I don’t know what you would sacrifice for a necro. Everything is vastly more valuable.

Can’t drop guardian. Can’t get rid of a mesmer. Can’t drop a tank/condi engineer.
So you’re dropping DPS? If you’re going to run 4 tanks (only useful on BoK btw) you need knockbacks and roots to take/hold the point from players. Necro doesn’t bring any of that and a 1 second fear isn’t enough time to get people off the point.

The amount of sacrifice you make to counter 1 ability from 1 class is not worth it. Sorry.

Or keep running a necro and stomping pubs while losing to actual teams. You can win pug tournies with 5 zoo necros.

As someone who actually TPvPs relatively often I can vouch for his team as being high level versus all the no namers on here thinking they know what they’re talking about. Aside from a 32 second cooldown boon strip, Necro’s really do not do much in the game at the moment. Alone, their condi damage is very subpar and it takes them forever to get up to even 6 stacks of bleed on anyone to let alone pressure a guardian enough to even use his heal. Mesmers can’t really strip Guardians that well either. Save yourself gives you a TON of buffs and guardians can easily reapply protection if they have hammer, so unless you’re made of Illusions that ain’t happening.

Necros are one of the best condition classes not because of the one they stack, but because of their control over conditions/boons.

When playing my necro in WvW, I will target a Guardian and HOPE that he uses this. With two button presses I can then put nearly every condition in the game on every enemy near him.

I would prefer they not hard nerf anything until the meta develops for at least a month after paid tournaments are available. That will allow better indication on balance.

And certainly don’t nerf anything based on hot-join.

…Or maybe there is a reason why Necros do exit…

Daays.4317:

You can stop mentioning top teams. I’ve played against them. Every time they want to use a necro, they lose. If they swap it out, we go 50/50. It’s a game changer using the class, and not in their favor. And yes, they typically replace their guardian for a necro.

The only person who’s mentioned a team name in this thread is you. And it isn’t even a top team. DWi doesn’t sync with other teams, nor are they anywhere near the competitive edge; you have no room to talk.

The evaluations about Necro here miss on the important fact that Plague Signet nullifies any other condi opponent while Epidemic, in conjunction with Corrupt Boons, Scepter and Dagger skills, enables for extremely easy mass condi spread and application.

Once again, you’re basing everything on the fact that teams are entirely replacing their Guardian for a Necro—which is completely false.

Control aside, there’s no profession that nullifies the power of a bunker Guardian right now—Necro or no Necro.

BishopX.6453:

there is a warrior skill that REMOVES all conditions and gives you EVERY boon for warrior and thats fine, but a guardian skill that gives you boons and takes all conditions from everyone else onto you.. needs a nerf?

Enlighten me. Which Warrior skill is that?

@demonstrative

I don’t know who you are. So going to go with you’re not important. Let me know when you’re done with the “you’re not on the competitve edge”. This game has no competitive edge. Just good players. And those “top teams on the competitive edge”, I’ve been playing against them for years in other games.

So keep this on necro. Plague signet is broken. Until it’s fixed to not copy and actually transfer conditions, it’s a conditon dump for the necro. It’s not that great. It doesn’t nullify anything.

Corrupt Boon is single target and really only useful vs guardians when trying to quickly take him out 2v1.

Dagger offhand is mediocre. Not as useful as Focus (as focus gives you a free corrupt boon and good lifeforce generation). You don’t actually remove 3 conditions. You remove 1 at at time per person it bounces to. So if no one else is in range, you’re only going to get one removal. Weakness is really only good vs low crit classes, which are typically Solider Amulet tank classes.

And I’m basing this on the replacement of the guardian because every single high end team that has been running with a necro HAS been replacing them with a guardian. You can stop theory crafting. What I’m saying isn’t theory. It’s tested. I have over tourny 120 games on my necro. The class falls short in every area compared to others and is not worth bringing.

The people who bring it just want to be different. Like the kids who always say “What’s the most underpowered class? I want to play that one”.

@OP: Save Yourselves is just asking to get rolled by a necro.

Daays.4317:

@demonstrative

I don’t know who you are. So going to go with you’re not important. Let me know when you’re done with the “you’re not on the competitve edge”. This game has no competitive edge. Just good players. And those “top teams on the competitive edge”, I’ve been playing against them for years in other games.

So keep this on necro. Plague signet is broken. Until it’s fixed to not copy and actually transfer conditions, it’s a conditon dump for the necro. It’s not that great. It doesn’t nullify anything.

Corrupt Boon is single target and really only useful vs guardians when trying to quickly take him out 2v1.

Dagger offhand is mediocre. Not as useful as Focus (as focus gives you a free corrupt boon and good lifeforce generation). You don’t actually remove 3 conditions. You remove 1 at at time per person it bounces to. So if no one else is in range, you’re only going to get one removal. Weakness is really only good vs low crit classes, which are typically Solider Amulet tank classes.

And I’m basing this on the replacement of the guardian because every single high end team that has been running with a necro HAS been replacing them with a guardian. You can stop theory crafting. What I’m saying isn’t theory. It’s tested. I have over tourny 120 games on my necro. The class falls short in every area compared to others and is not worth bringing.

The people who bring it just want to be different. Like the kids who always say “What’s the most underpowered class? I want to play that one”.

Maybe because you don’t play any good teams, and judging by your posts—you’re terrible. Everything you’ve said is irrelevant, and you’re posting outdated information. 120 tournament games is puppy water.

Be somebody.

Daays.4317:

@demonstrative

I don’t know who you are. So going to go with you’re not important.

Obviously if you don’t know who Demonstrative is you’ve never played these “top teams” you keep referring to.

Daays.4317:

Let me know when you’re done with the “you’re not on the competitve edge”. This game has no competitive edge. Just good players.

The game as a competitive edge AND good players. You aren’t one of them. Obviously the more you play with your team and against other competitive teams, the more of a competitive edge you will get.

Daays.4317:

And those “top teams on the competitive edge”, I’ve been playing against them for years in other games.

Like who? I’ve never heard of you lol

Daays.4317:

So keep this on necro. Plague signet is broken. Until it’s fixed to not copy and actually transfer conditions, it’s a conditon dump for the necro. It’s not that great. It doesn’t nullify anything.

Corrupt Boon is single target and really only useful vs guardians when trying to quickly take him out 2v1.

Have you never heard of epidemic? Do you understand how deadly epidemic + corrupt boon + engineers can be? You are picking and choosing what abilities you want to judge necros on. It’s very one-sided.

Daays.4317:

Dagger offhand is mediocre. Not as useful as Focus (as focus gives you a free corrupt boon and good lifeforce generation). You don’t actually remove 3 conditions. You remove 1 at at time per person it bounces to. So if no one else is in range, you’re only going to get one removal. Weakness is really only good vs low crit classes, which are typically Solider Amulet tank classes.

And I’m basing this on the replacement of the guardian because every single high end team that has been running with a necro HAS been replacing them with a guardian.

lolwut? What high end teams do you play? Lmfao.

Daays.4317:

You can stop theory crafting. What I’m saying isn’t theory. It’s tested. I have over tourny 120 games on my necro. The class falls short in every area compared to others and is not worth bringing.

I have over 500 tournament WINS on my guardian. Any kind of GOOD necro is deadly against me.

Daays.4317:

The people who bring it just want to be different. Like the kids who always say “What’s the most underpowered class? I want to play that one”.

The people who play one well are just that much better than you, bud.
-[PTC] Thad

Daays.4317:

@demonstrative

I don’t know who you are. So going to go with you’re not important. Let me know when you’re done with the “you’re not on the competitve edge”. This game has no competitive edge. Just good players. And those “top teams on the competitive edge”, I’ve been playing against them for years in other games.

So keep this on necro. Plague signet is broken. Until it’s fixed to not copy and actually transfer conditions, it’s a conditon dump for the necro. It’s not that great. It doesn’t nullify anything.

Corrupt Boon is single target and really only useful vs guardians when trying to quickly take him out 2v1.

Dagger offhand is mediocre. Not as useful as Focus (as focus gives you a free corrupt boon and good lifeforce generation). You don’t actually remove 3 conditions. You remove 1 at at time per person it bounces to. So if no one else is in range, you’re only going to get one removal. Weakness is really only good vs low crit classes, which are typically Solider Amulet tank classes.

And I’m basing this on the replacement of the guardian because every single high end team that has been running with a necro HAS been replacing them with a guardian. You can stop theory crafting. What I’m saying isn’t theory. It’s tested. I have over tourny 120 games on my necro. The class falls short in every area compared to others and is not worth bringing.

The people who bring it just want to be different. Like the kids who always say “What’s the most underpowered class? I want to play that one”.

I’ve played with “the top teams on the competitive edge” too for years. You know… the top teams…

I won’t list any because then someone who has actually played with those teams may call me out on my bullkitten. So I’ll just continue talking out of my kitten because I’m angry, incompetent player.

In any case I’ll just keep making things up to try and salvage my position because on the internet their is zero accountability.

Eh? It’s a death sentence to use this against a good necro or mesmer.

Removing boons just makes classes that specialize in boon removal less useful, which is not a good idea.

@Demonstrative and Travesh

Thanks for the replies.

Should apply to DWi and play with me. Looking forward to your apps!

Daays.4317:

@Demonstrative and Travesh

Thanks for the replies.

Should apply to DWi and play with me. Looking forward to your apps!

Played with Daays before, and played against PTC before. Daays isn’t bad, and his team isn’t bad. But they are right here, man. We use a necro very regularly in Win, and to much success.

Necros are a very nice counter to heavy boon classes or healing reliant classes (poison uptime), aka Erho’s engy spec, bunker guards, etc.

Nearly every good team utilizes a Necro in some capacity for Corrupt Boons in the current meta.

Win, LR, glhf, SS, etc.

Keep it real Ksp, DWi aren’t anywhere near those teams.

I think we can agree that until this game has a rating system, all of you should just shut the kitten up.

Or in the words of aj, no glad = gtfo.

Necros can corrupt boons? MY GOD…

Oh wait, what happens when a guardian uses Contemplation of Purity?

Yeah bringing a necro to “counter” 1 ability is a great idea.

There’s still Spinal Shivers. As long as a Guardian doesn’t have protection, HE WILL NOT TANK. To be honest, any Bunker without protection can’t tank anything, that’s why legit skilled Bunker Necro isn’t really bad unless your Warriors and Thieves in your team as Roamers are you know.. bad that they can’t insta-burst someone that’s protection-less.

Honestly though, now that I think of it you simply just need to remove protection as a boon and problem solved. Like name me one Bunker who doesn’t rely on protection to do anything.

Dibrom.6408:

Necros can corrupt boons? MY GOD…

Oh wait, what happens when a guardian uses Contemplation of Purity?

Yeah bringing a necro to “counter” 1 ability is a great idea.

It’s not to counter one ability. It’s to counter a class. Think about it this way: Save yourself -> corrupt boons -> contemplation of purity -> necro applies more condi’s. The guardian is now down 2 defensive utilities, and still has huge poison uptime from the necro. As a bunker for Win, a competitive team, I can tell you it’s hard to deal with. Much easier to deal with on an Ele.

I think we can agree that until this game has a rating system, all of you should just shut the kitten up.
Or in the words of aj, no glad = gtfo.

A rating system will bring about more competitive teams, for sure. But the teams that are competitive now will still be competitive with an elo system, with the exception of a few that will fall behind in not adapting to new metas. Your point is invalid.

“GustavoM

As someone who mains a Guardian for more than 200 PvP matches.
Nerf It by 50% of the current time for all buffs or as the skill description says, when an ally has a condition, and not everytime by himself, etc.
Mix It with the support tome, and It’s literally /godmode for palad—- Guardians.
(ps: I don’t use this shout and never plan to do so.)"

Thanks for your brilliant suggestion.. asshloe.

anyone else feels the need to complain about guardians anymore while devs take notes??

valdamus.6289:

Thanks for your brilliant suggestion.. asshloe.

anyone else feels the need to complain about guardians anymore while devs take notes??

Well…I’d like them to cry like little girls when I smack them with my axe.

valdamus.6289:

“GustavoM

As someone who mains a Guardian for more than 200 PvP matches.
Nerf It by 50% of the current time for all buffs or as the skill description says, when an ally has a condition, and not everytime by himself, etc.
Mix It with the support tome, and It’s literally /godmode for palad—- Guardians.
(ps: I don’t use this shout and never plan to do so.)"

Thanks for your brilliant suggestion.. asshloe.

anyone else feels the need to complain about guardians anymore while devs take notes??

Exploit much?

Sky.9347:

When playing my necro in WvW, I will target a Guardian and HOPE that he uses this. With two button presses I can then put nearly every condition in the game on every enemy near him.

Then the guardian hits Contemplation of Purity and coolfaces while you mourn the loss of your Corrupt Boon/Epidemic cooldown and proceed to get steamrolled by righteous flames.