A test with 30 samples gave coefficients of 0.635 (fire) and 0.823 (air). Previous coefficients were 0.85 and 1.1, so these are very close to a 25% damage reduction. I suspect the true values are probably 0.6375 and 0.825 for the exact 25% reduction.
It is indeed a good change, but without being mentioned in the patch notes. So if there is an uproar or it does not work out for some reason, Anet can just revert it and claim it was a bug.
That’s their method and that’s that so kittening sad, it’s not even funny.
It is indeed a good change, but without being mentioned in the patch notes. So if there is an uproar or it does not work out for some reason, Anet can just revert it and claim it was a bug.
That’s their method and that’s that so kittening sad, it’s not even funny.
Or you know, it slipped through their ‘Patch notes process’. Happens every patch too be honest.
I like the change, maybe not so much as others because it makes bruisers and other types of tanky DPS type builds less punishable, but aslong as we do not revert to what it was pre patch it’s fine.
However stealth changes should not happen, they let information slide EVERY update. We maybe don’t need to know in depth about tool tip changes. But ANYTHING functional that affects play NEEDS to be mentioned. It is either intentional which just makes A-net look shady. Or this is a legitimate mistake and is just slopy, especially since often we don’t get amended patch notes.
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This seems like a really nice change, why so many upset?
The fact that is wasn’t documented means they could “fix it” since they still left out bugs from last patch. You can’t be sure it’s intended at least that’s what I’m not liking about it.
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So the sigils were bugged before for some classes at least (perhaps all, but I didnt test the other). For example, it was hitting much harder on #1 skills for ele’s but about 25% lower on other abilities.
Perhaps they ‘fixed’ that bug in the wrong direction?
idk why this sigil are still in PvP, there is nothing skill play in this. How many fight these sigil were the first damage source of my opponent? too many
There are already passive proc everywhere, i suppose this is not enough we need sigil and runes with it too.
It would be a good change if d/d ele did not have so much sustain. It requires a strong burst to down a d/d ele, so in general, this is a significant buff to that class.
Someone wiz in your cheerios this morning? So anything that does damage that is available to everyone potentially that gets nerfed is an indirect buff to D/D eles? This is why these forums are useless.
Sounds like a lot of you are big fans of a bunker meta. I am not. I like the idea that there are high burst classes who also die easily, as well as bunkers who can sustain. It is a good balance right now with the exception of dd ele and certain mesmer specs.
Sounds like a lot of you are big fans of a bunker meta. I am not. I like the idea that there are high burst classes who also die easily, as well as bunkers who can sustain. It is a good balance right now with the exception of dd ele and certain mesmer specs.
If you think a 25% reduction in two sigils is going to usher in some kind of era of bunker dominance all I am going to say is do the math. I can’t even imagine what the damage reduction on average would be. I have to imagine it’s a couple percentage points at most. Not to dismiss because it because it is in fact siginicant extra free damage from those sigils and a lot of it will still be there. But in general auto attacks and there critting is the vast majority of everyone’s damage along with stuff like burning. In this current meta everyone dies easily except for a couple of broken builds. To say we need to keep fire and air sigils broken because of broken builds I will never agree to that line of thinking. Fixing something is always a poistive.
Sounds like a lot of you are big fans of a bunker meta. I am not. I like the idea that there are high burst classes who also die easily, as well as bunkers who can sustain. It is a good balance right now with the exception of dd ele and certain mesmer specs.
Let the ‘high burst’ come from skill, not randomness please.
I like how people complain about air and fire , but dont complain about leeching, geomancy , doom, energy … All of the sigils used are passive bullkitten not just air/fire and provide no active gameplay outside of swapping a weapon or gearing for crit chance. The whole concept is just stupid , the only thing it does it open up a little bit of build diversity, build diversity which should already be core to the game and not have to use OP sigils for anet’s horrible lack of build diversity in the 1st place.
Glad they were stealth nerfed, this passive garbage is just silly and carried way too many classes mainly thief.
I like how people complain about air and fire , but dont complain about leeching, geomancy , doom, energy … All of the sigils used are passive bullkitten not just air/fire and provide no active gameplay outside of swapping a weapon or gearing for crit chance. The whole concept is just stupid , the only thing it does it open up a little bit of build diversity, build diversity which should already be core to the game and not have to use OP sigils for anet’s horrible lack of build diversity in the 1st place.
Glad they were stealth nerfed, this passive garbage is just silly and carried way too many classes mainly thief.
Leeching and Doom have plenty of counterplay. You see the buff icon appear when your opponent swaps weapons, and if you dodge his next attack then the effect is wasted.
Energy has counterplay, too. You already count your opponent’s dodges. Just add +1 when he swaps to the weaponset w/ energy and play around that.
A test with 30 samples gave coefficients of 0.635 (fire) and 0.823 (air). Previous coefficients were 0.85 and 1.1, so these are very close to a 25% damage reduction. I suspect the true values are probably 0.6375 and 0.825 for the exact 25% reduction.
Thanks for conducted this test. My engineer will have to re-explore his sigils. I believe this pushes 5% damage ahead in sustain for pvp. Although, I always found that sigil boring. I did notice my sd engineer was having more trouble bursting Mesmers yesterday.. I hope I can find a way to make zerker engineer work.
A test with 30 samples gave coefficients of 0.635 (fire) and 0.823 (air). Previous coefficients were 0.85 and 1.1, so these are very close to a 25% damage reduction. I suspect the true values are probably 0.6375 and 0.825 for the exact 25% reduction.
A test with 30 samples gave coefficients of 0.635 (fire) and 0.823 (air). Previous coefficients were 0.85 and 1.1, so these are very close to a 25% damage reduction. I suspect the true values are probably 0.6375 and 0.825 for the exact 25% reduction.
Is the base dmg still the same?
These is no such thing as “base damage” because of how the damage formula is. The only “base damage” is the damage it comes out with with base power which is 1000. By this notion no the “base damage” is now lower because the coefficient is lower.
I like how people complain about air and fire , but dont complain about leeching, geomancy , doom, energy … All of the sigils used are passive bullkitten not just air/fire and provide no active gameplay outside of swapping a weapon or gearing for crit chance. The whole concept is just stupid , the only thing it does it open up a little bit of build diversity, build diversity which should already be core to the game and not have to use OP sigils for anet’s horrible lack of build diversity in the 1st place.
Glad they were stealth nerfed, this passive garbage is just silly and carried way too many classes mainly thief.
Leeching and Doom have plenty of counterplay. You see the buff icon appear when your opponent swaps weapons, and if you dodge his next attack then the effect is wasted.
Energy has counterplay, too. You already count your opponent’s dodges. Just add +1 when he swaps to the weaponset w/ energy and play around that.
Crits have counterplay too, just go ele and run stone heart and swap to earth attunement. Does that change how passive these sigils are? No , it doesn’t.
I like how people complain about air and fire , but dont complain about leeching, geomancy , doom, energy … All of the sigils used are passive bullkitten not just air/fire and provide no active gameplay outside of swapping a weapon or gearing for crit chance. The whole concept is just stupid , the only thing it does it open up a little bit of build diversity, build diversity which should already be core to the game and not have to use OP sigils for anet’s horrible lack of build diversity in the 1st place.
Glad they were stealth nerfed, this passive garbage is just silly and carried way too many classes mainly thief.
Leeching and Doom have plenty of counterplay. You see the buff icon appear when your opponent swaps weapons, and if you dodge his next attack then the effect is wasted.
Energy has counterplay, too. You already count your opponent’s dodges. Just add +1 when he swaps to the weaponset w/ energy and play around that.
Crits have counterplay too, just go ele and run stone heart and swap to earth attunement. Does that change how passive these sigils are? No , it doesn’t.
can’t see how pressing a weapon swap button to proc a skill is more passive than pressing a button to use a skill.
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I like how people complain about air and fire , but dont complain about leeching, geomancy , doom, energy … All of the sigils used are passive bullkitten not just air/fire and provide no active gameplay outside of swapping a weapon or gearing for crit chance. The whole concept is just stupid , the only thing it does it open up a little bit of build diversity, build diversity which should already be core to the game and not have to use OP sigils for anet’s horrible lack of build diversity in the 1st place.
Glad they were stealth nerfed, this passive garbage is just silly and carried way too many classes mainly thief.
Leeching and Doom have plenty of counterplay. You see the buff icon appear when your opponent swaps weapons, and if you dodge his next attack then the effect is wasted.
Energy has counterplay, too. You already count your opponent’s dodges. Just add +1 when he swaps to the weaponset w/ energy and play around that.
Crits have counterplay too, just go ele and run stone heart and swap to earth attunement. Does that change how passive these sigils are? No , it doesn’t.
“cries have counter play too, run 1 trait in the whole game”, no credibility…
On Crit sigils can’t be wasted by evades like swap sigils can, they just lay dormant until triggered which instantly makes them more reliable. Secondly, they can be triggered infinite amount of times per swap, yet another significant benefit.
To be fair, technically, swap sigils shouldn’t lose their charge when they hit someone that blocks/evades/blinds it if they wanted to be true to their Crit counterparts.
I like how people complain about air and fire , but dont complain about leeching, geomancy , doom, energy … All of the sigils used are passive bullkitten not just air/fire and provide no active gameplay outside of swapping a weapon or gearing for crit chance. The whole concept is just stupid , the only thing it does it open up a little bit of build diversity, build diversity which should already be core to the game and not have to use OP sigils for anet’s horrible lack of build diversity in the 1st place.
Glad they were stealth nerfed, this passive garbage is just silly and carried way too many classes mainly thief.
Leeching and Doom have plenty of counterplay. You see the buff icon appear when your opponent swaps weapons, and if you dodge his next attack then the effect is wasted.
Energy has counterplay, too. You already count your opponent’s dodges. Just add +1 when he swaps to the weaponset w/ energy and play around that.
Crits have counterplay too, just go ele and run stone heart and swap to earth attunement. Does that change how passive these sigils are? No , it doesn’t.
can’t see how pressing a weapon swap button to proc a skill is more passive than pressing a button to use a skill.
Doom and Leeching require a swap → landed hit.
Crit sigils can proc off auto attacks.
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@ronpierce- i was making the comparison between weapon swapping to proc, say leeching and using using a skill, ah let’s go with ‘Throw Axe’. my point is both of these seem to take the same amount of effort, so on swap sigils are not ‘passive’ as the person i was replying to claimed.
air/fire/strength, and other on crit sigils are of course passive.
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It was a good change, stop rewarding passive play as much as it already is. This goes also with the same logic that eles need to be nerfed. Please, passive burning carry is just as bad.
If this is true, stealth nerf or unintended change?
Or just forgot to be put in the notes. If anyone noticed, they DID make a point to share that they changed Sigil of Doom, so there was some intention to mess with sigils a bit.
Alas, i think we’d all like to know if its intended or not. I hope it is….
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Someone wiz in your cheerios this morning? So anything that does damage that is available to everyone potentially that gets nerfed is an indirect buff to D/D eles? This is why these forums are useless.
Ele don’t use fire+air on weapon sets, but thieves and other bursty classes do, and those extra damage procs is what helps bring down a cele ele… So yes, Indirect buff.
The thinking is a little outside the box but you can see some logic to it.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
Someone wiz in your cheerios this morning? So anything that does damage that is available to everyone potentially that gets nerfed is an indirect buff to D/D eles? This is why these forums are useless.
Ele don’t use fire+air on weapon sets, but thieves and other bursty classes do, and those extra damage procs is what helps bring down a cele ele… So yes, Indirect buff.
The thinking is a little outside the box but you can see some logic to it.
yep, now the nerfs to the burst classes need to be reverted, this is bullkitten. We are heading back to the previous meta that allow classes to have high survival + sustain again, not fun.
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because a nerf to zerkers like power rangers, wars and thieves is exactly what is needed in this condi meta with invisible mesmers and unkillable eles.
yeah, they got your memo guys, just several metas too late.
i guess if i wanna deal damage this patch i’ll log on my burn guard like everyone else…
