Guild Wars 2

I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)

The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.

But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.

Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.

Only problem I find is people sitting the top slots with 9/1 unpunished not even bothering to play any more. I’m moving from t1 silver almost plat now after 70 games. Probably another 40 or so to make it to the top 250.

We need a minimum games played such as 40 to take on the 250 slots at midseason. They can keep their rating but not be ranked until they meet the minimum to prove it wasn’t a fluke. That or decay needs to be more harsh.

Kahrgan.7401:

I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)

The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.

But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.

Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.

no, absolutly not, this is the worts idea for games, people doublecaping, abandonind points for go cap another etc etc etc to increase their stats this will cause more badplay

and yes, skill rank is a think. in a perfect stadistical case , you get the same proportion of bad teammates than you and better teammates than you provoking a 50/50 winrate tendence and this mesures your impact in this inreasing or decreasing that, but it is pure teory , bad luck exist and others factors like teamcomps etc .

Gwaihir.1745:

Only problem I find is people sitting the top slots with 9/1 unpunished not even bothering to play any more. I’m moving from t1 silver almost plat now after 70 games. Probably another 40 or so to make it to the top 250.

We need a minimum games played such as 40 to take on the 250 slots at midseason. They can keep their rating but not be ranked until they meet the minimum to prove it wasn’t a fluke. That or decay needs to be more harsh.

Don’t worry, decay is fine as it is and on top of that atleast on EU the leaderboards change constantly so if you don’t keep playing actively you’ll drop out of the top 250 in no-time. I have a guildie who was at 36 and dropped to near 200 in one night after others got better rating and he lost few games.

Kahrgan.7401:

I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)

The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.

But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.

Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.

LOL this is just too funny.

Do you think that DOTA2 and League rating systems are also all luck? They dont take anything but W/L into account.

This is how its done in a team based MMR game.

Kahrgan.7401:

I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)

The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.

But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.

Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.

U can carry games quite easily. Especially at lower ratings.

U forget one thing; everyone has to deal with teammates like that. You need to see yourself as the main player that makes a difference. If you are not winning more than you lose YOU need to adjust your own approach and gameplay.

Helseth made a very good example last night. Drazeh did some duoqeueues with him last night. Drazeh ended at 1500 after placement matches … he is now at 2000+ and he got there solo.

Taking contribution in to account is one of the worst things that could happen. Quadruple capping empty points, entire teams running for bosses, people chasing low hp thieves with 4 players.

Is that what u want?

You can’t carry every game, that’s just braggy BS. And you lose twice as much as you gain by winning, kind of eternal treadmill.

Like I keep saying, this system would work for premade teams, it doesn’t work for individuals in a random group. They have to find a way to gauge skill based on individual performance because this right now is crap.

baddies blame matchmaking

Crowley.8761:

You can’t carry every game, that’s just braggy BS. And you lose twice as much as you gain by winning, kind of eternal treadmill.

Like I keep saying, this system would work for premade teams, it doesn’t work for individuals in a random group. They have to find a way to gauge skill based on individual performance because this right now is crap.

U are playing the blame game.

What about accepting youre not as good as you think you where?

The impact you have goes down once you are close to the MMR where you belong. So if u struggle to carry games at 1300 u probably belong there.

If it’s not including individual contribution, then it’s not “my” rating. It’s rating some amalgamation of the match making. There’s no getting around that. It’s a solo Q. You have to account for individual contribution.

Locuz.2651:

Crowley.8761:

You can’t carry every game, that’s just braggy BS. And you lose twice as much as you gain by winning, kind of eternal treadmill.

Like I keep saying, this system would work for premade teams, it doesn’t work for individuals in a random group. They have to find a way to gauge skill based on individual performance because this right now is crap.

U are playing the blame game.

What about accepting youre not as good as you think you where?

The impact you have goes down once you are close to the MMR where you belong. So if u struggle to carry games at 1300 u probably belong there.

Some games you just can’t carry no matter what you do. I recently had 3 of them.

Now,are all complaints legit about the system? No, but where there is smoke there is fire.

Azukas.1426:

Some games you just can’t carry no matter what you do. I recently had 3 of them.

Now,are all complaints legit about the system? No, but where there is smoke there is fire.

Sure, so u lose those 3 and win the rest? I dont see the problem.

People complain to hide their own incompetence. It happens every season in every game i played. Blaming yourself hurts your ego and thats not what people want.

Apperantly all rating systems in all games suck:

Starcraft: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/10189289103
Overwatch: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17612332120
League: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3575586
Wow: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17605341160
Dota2: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/23vdp4/why_dota_2_solo_ranked_sucks/

It’s not players skill rating. The rating we see. It’s the rating of the teams the player played in. So while someone having high rating it doesnt mean there isn’t a player in lower rating that plays better or can kick yur kitten 1v1.
But have lower rating because unlucky on pug teams or not duo farming with skilled players.

Locuz.2651:

Azukas.1426:

Some games you just can’t carry no matter what you do. I recently had 3 of them.

Now,are all complaints legit about the system? No, but where there is smoke there is fire.

Sure, so u lose those 3 and win the rest? I dont see the problem.

People complain to hide their own incompetence. It happens every season in every game i played. Blaming yourself hurts your ego and thats not what people want.

Apperantly all rating systems in all games suck:

Starcraft: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/10189289103
Overwatch: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17612332120
League: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3575586
Wow: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17605341160
Dota2: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/23vdp4/why_dota_2_solo_ranked_sucks/

Why do you keep apply some abstract hypothetical context to his argument. That’s not what is happening. You weren’t there so stop making kitten up about what people should be doing.

hackks.3687:

Why do you keep apply some abstract hypothetical context to his argument. That’s not what is happening. You weren’t there so stop making kitten up about what people should be doing.

Ive had unlucky streaks. Ive played at bronze with my troll zerker amu vanilla power necro.

There is no way a good player stays at lower divisions for a long time. Since all but a handfull of games are stupidly easy to carry if youre somewhat decent and play a build that allows you to carry <- that includes plenty of builds that are not fotm.

U know what. Ive seen ppl complain about their teams in those games ive been in. Both with and against me. Hell i even saw guys from the forum who complained about the system in game, sucking hard… and making a post no less than an hour later about this issue youre having.

Its comical.

Its never the sucky players fault. During the 10+k rated games i played over the years. Ive seen 4-5 players that admitted they sucked. The rest just blamed their team the system balance lagg or whatever.

Locuz.2651:

hackks.3687:

Why do you keep apply some abstract hypothetical context to his argument. That’s not what is happening. You weren’t there so stop making kitten up about what people should be doing.

Ive had unlucky streaks. Ive played at bronze with my troll zerker amu vanilla power necro.

There is no way a good player stays at lower divisions for a long time. Since all but a handfull of games are stupidly easy to carry if youre somewhat decent and play a build that allows you to carry <- that includes plenty of builds that are not fotm.

U know what. Ive seen ppl complain about their teams in those games ive been in. Both with and against me. Hell i even saw guys from the forum who complained about the system in game, sucking hard… and making a post no less than an hour later about this issue youre having.

Its comical.

4 wins – 3 losses – 5 wins – 2 losses – 4 wins – 4 losses

I’m winning more than losing, I have a positive win rating. But with results like that thanks too awesome teammates needing to be carried every match, it’s taking FOREVER to move up. I had lousy placement matches, got dropped to Bronze 1, and now I’m climbing out of 9 rings of hell.

All your contrarian bullkitten isn’t apt or helpful.

Supreme.7352:

This is a solo or duo queue that’s determined by your placement matches alone.

The placement matches decide your starting point. You can easily climb after that if youre placed far below your skillevel.

Locuz.2651:

Crowley.8761:

You can’t carry every game, that’s just braggy BS. And you lose twice as much as you gain by winning, kind of eternal treadmill.

Like I keep saying, this system would work for premade teams, it doesn’t work for individuals in a random group. They have to find a way to gauge skill based on individual performance because this right now is crap.

U are playing the blame game.

What about accepting youre not as good as you think you where?

The impact you have goes down once you are close to the MMR where you belong. So if u struggle to carry games at 1300 u probably belong there.

I’m sorry, can you point out to me where in my post I am “playing the blame game”? I can’t see that I’m blaming anyone to be honest.

And I’m sitting steady at 850. Not ashamed at all either, I’m way better than you for example

hackks.3687:

4 wins – 3 losses – 5 wins – 2 losses – 4 wins – 4 losses

I’m winning more than losing, I have a positive win rating. But with play like that it’s taking FOREVER to move up.

That means youre relatively close to where you belong in terms of rating.

Not everyone is meant to reach legendary. U know that right?

Supreme.7352:

Locuz.2651:

Sure, so u lose those 3 and win the rest? I dont see the problem.

People complain to hide their own incompetence. It happens every season in every game i played. Blaming yourself hurts your ego and thats not what people want.

Apperantly all rating systems in all games suck:

Starcraft: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/10189289103
Overwatch: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17612332120
League: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3575586
Wow: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17605341160
Dota2: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/23vdp4/why_dota_2_solo_ranked_sucks/

All those games you listed, anyoen serious is teaming up with a FULL TEAM or it’s a 1v1 game.

This is a solo or duo queue that’s determined by your placement matches alone.

Do you want links to the twitch streams of pro players in those team games playing solo or will you just admit you are making excuses for yourself? Those pro players play solo and have very high solo ratings in all of those games.

The excuses on this forum for this season are amazing. People discovering they are not nearly as good as they told themselves is just priceless.

displacedTitan.6897:

Kahrgan.7401:

I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)

The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.

But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.

Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.

LOL this is just too funny.

Do you think that DOTA2 and League rating systems are also all luck? They dont take anything but W/L into account.

This is how its done in a team based MMR game.

You must be trash tier in DotA2 if you think you can’t single-handedly carry yourself to victory and out of trash tier in those games, compared to gw2 where 1 single afk/dc/feeder can single-handedly make you lose a game.

Not to mention, there’s zero control on classes: anyone can swap to whatever the kitten they want once the queue is accepted, no class restrictions, nor is there any real class balance. The entire ‘competitive scene’ is a joke…just like the rating system.

If the system was any good, I wouldn’t be sitting at 1.9k on one account, 1.8k on another account and 1.1k on another account. Your initial 3-5 games determines your placement and the system tries its hardest to keep you there. If you were not lucky with allies on those matches…good kittening luck to you.

It’s an atrocious system. If you’re low rating to start with, good luck every reaching high rating.

Locuz.2651:

hackks.3687:

4 wins – 3 losses – 5 wins – 2 losses – 4 wins – 4 losses

I’m winning more than losing, I have a positive win rating. But with play like that it’s taking FOREVER to move up.

That means youre relatively close to where you belong in terms of rating.

Not everyone is meant to reach legendary. U know that right?

You didn’t read. I am NOT where I belong. I am winning more than losing. I would win a lot more if my teammates weren’t gifting the other team points. This is not fast. This is kittened up.

I know it’s nice when faulty systems support your deluded sense of self, but it doesn’t change the realities that the system is faulty.

Crowley.8761:

I’m sorry, can you point out to me where in my post I am “playing the blame game”? I can’t see that I’m blaming anyone to be honest.

And I’m sitting steady at 850. Not ashamed at all either, I’m way better than you for example

So u ask me to point out where u play the blame game? And you follow it up by a sentence where u basicly blame the system for you being lower rated than me?

Imho shifting the blame is a sign of a weakminded individual.

Locuz.2651:

Crowley.8761:

I’m sorry, can you point out to me where in my post I am “playing the blame game”? I can’t see that I’m blaming anyone to be honest.

And I’m sitting steady at 850. Not ashamed at all either, I’m way better than you for example

So u ask me to point out where u play the blame game? And you follow it up by a sentence where u basicly blame the system for you being lower rated than me?

Imho shifting the blame is a sign of a weakminded individual.

Again, can you point it out? I still don’t see any blaming at all.

hackks.3687:

You didn’t read. I am NOT where I belong. I am winning more than losing. I would win a lot more if my teammates weren’t gifting the other team points. This is not fast. This is kittened up.

I know it’s nice when faulty systems support your deluded sense of self, but it doesn’t change the realities that the system is faulty.

You are forgetting the direct opposite happens aswell. Players on the opposing team are gifting your team points aswell. So in the end things even themselves out.

You need to start seeing yourself as the main differentiating factor. Since you and your actions are the only thing u can change.

I win like 75% of my games this season. Does this mean the remaining 25% of my games where not carryable? A few probably where….but i wasnt good enough during those games to make that difference.

A see the difference in approach? I look at myself while u look at factors u have no control over.

Crowley.8761:

Again, can you point it out? I still don’t see any blaming at all.

U state you are 850 rated yet still better than a player that more than doubles your rating. Therefor insinuating that the system is faulty in determining skilllevels.

= U blame the system

Locuz.2651:

hackks.3687:

You didn’t read. I am NOT where I belong. I am winning more than losing. I would win a lot more if my teammates weren’t gifting the other team points. This is not fast. This is kittened up.

I know it’s nice when faulty systems support your deluded sense of self, but it doesn’t change the realities that the system is faulty.

You are forgetting the direct opposite happens aswell. Players on the opposing team are gifting your team points aswell. So in the end things even themselves out.

I forgot? Were you there?

This is what I’m talking about. You just made up something that doesn’t even exist or apply. Take your trolling elsewhere.

Supreme.7352:

Not easily. Because if you’re placed low, you get really bad teammates and it ends up infuriating.

You get really bad opponents aswell which makes it easier to win/carry.

hackks.3687:

I forgot? Were you there?

This is what I’m talking about. You just made up something that doesn’t even exist or apply. Take your trolling elsewhere.

Ahhh yes ALL the bad players in GW2 where all placed in your team. It must be because someone at GW2 hates you right? Poor you! You wouldve been top 10 if it wasnt for ALL the bad players in GW2 always being in your team. Aww

U need a cuddle?

Locuz.2651:

Crowley.8761:

Again, can you point it out? I still don’t see any blaming at all.

U state you are 850 rated yet still better than a player that more than doubles your rating. Therefor insinuating that the system is faulty in determining skilllevels.

= U blame the system

Well based on that I can safely assume you don’t actually know what kind of players we have at 850. And judging by your tone you seem like the kind of person that only talks in /t with caps on, as well as being the guy that sends angry whispers after losing a 1v1.

And now here you are, lucking out in placement and finally it’s your time to call people noobs and be obnoxious with impunity right? Not so. Also, sad.

hackks.3687:

I would win a lot more if my teammates were pros and could carry me.

ftfy

no but seriously, MMR of both teams facing each other is in the same range. So even if you get bad teammates, the enemy team should be bad aswell. So if you cant win against them, you are on the same skill-lvl as them and thus belong in the divison youre currently in.

Id suggest to improve own playstyle instead of blaming others. Its really amazing how much rage people ive seen the last few days in pvp.

Jojo.6140:

hackks.3687:

I would win a lot more if my teammates were pros and could carry me.

ftfy

no but seriously, MMR of both teams facing each other is in the same range. So even if you get bad teammates, the enemy team should be bad aswell. So if you cant win against them, you are on the same skill-lvl as them and thus belong in the divison youre currently in.

Id suggest to improve own playstyle instead of blaming others. Its really amazing how much rage people ive seen the last few days in pvp.

Are we forgetting all the times I’ve carried you? We’ve played together. I’ve even farmed you when playing against you.

Gtfoh

Crowley.8761:

And now here you are, lucking out in placement and finally it’s your time to call people noobs and be obnoxious with impunity right? Not so. Also, sad.

I was really unlucky during my placement games in fact. Had 2 games with DCed players from the start and 1 game with Collero ragequitting after he lost a 1v1 at home within 30 seconds. So i whent 6-4 with 3 losses being 4v5s and 1 legit loss.

Won 90% of my games since despite being lower rated than where i think i belong. Im having fun tho and trying to improve my own gameplay.

Silverbolt.2301:

If the system was any good, I wouldn’t be sitting at 1.9k on one account, 1.8k on another account and 1.1k on another account. Your initial 3-5 games determines your placement and the system tries its hardest to keep you there. If you were not lucky with allies on those matches…good kittening luck to you.

This paragraph is very interesting.

Anyone else got multiple accounts with vastly different ratings? If so why.

Enokitake.1742:

Silverbolt.2301:

If the system was any good, I wouldn’t be sitting at 1.9k on one account, 1.8k on another account and 1.1k on another account. Your initial 3-5 games determines your placement and the system tries its hardest to keep you there. If you were not lucky with allies on those matches…good kittening luck to you.

This paragraph is very interesting.

Anyone else got multiple accounts with vastly different ratings? If so why.

It’s because the entire system is based off of w/l – personal skill plays minimal role on it, beyond being allied with terrible players.

This is not a MOBA, and the system is god awful for the type of game and gameplay GW2 is.

Jojo.6140:

hackks.3687:

I would win a lot more if my teammates were pros and could carry me.

ftfy

no but seriously, MMR of both teams facing each other is in the same range. So even if you get bad teammates, the enemy team should be bad aswell. So if you cant win against them, you are on the same skill-lvl as them and thus belong in the divison youre currently in.

Id suggest to improve own playstyle instead of blaming others. Its really amazing how much rage people ive seen the last few days in pvp.

no, what is the exact impact of 10 placement matches?
i know one player than was placed in bronze that sometimes in the old leaderboard get in and out of the top 1000 and now is bronze, not saying is top tier but clearly not bronze, me i asume that my place is silver-gold, never get on top 1000 of old sistem but i stayed near on a percentile of 96-99 and with a stable 45-55% win ratio and now im strugling to not fall to low silver confronting players with skills i never see in the mid divs other times, and that makes for me a point: screwed system that allows farming specially whith duos via smurfing

Enokitake.1742:

Silverbolt.2301:

If the system was any good, I wouldn’t be sitting at 1.9k on one account, 1.8k on another account and 1.1k on another account. Your initial 3-5 games determines your placement and the system tries its hardest to keep you there. If you were not lucky with allies on those matches…good kittening luck to you.

This paragraph is very interesting.

Anyone else got multiple accounts with vastly different ratings? If so why.

Yes. I have two accounts I placed. One landed in Gold 2 during placement on the first day of the season which seemed pretty right to me since I think I’m an avg to above avg player and placement matches were essentially 50/50 w/l (I played most of those matches on a p/p condi engi lol).

The other landed in Bronze 3 on the 2nd day of the season (like the day all the people who heard about easy ascended gear hopped on the bandwagon to fill the queues or so I suspect) and I spent most of that day trying to get out of it on meta scrapper with basically 50/50 w/l and mostly blow-out matches because I’m only average and can’t carry 4 other players like a pro. So I dunno… That experience basically removed my faith in the idea that this system is a reflection of individual skill (which it isn’t as someone pointed out the MMR it is a reflection of team skill – Conquest is highly sensitive to team skill unless you are some sort of dueling god of pvp).

Duo-queued with a friend for a few matches on the third day and got way better matches. That account is currently at top of Silver 2 after playing solo a little bit today on it. My last ten matches on it is 7-3.

I plan to sit on my higher ranked rating until the system stabilizes more and work on moving up with the Silver account so I can’t say that I somehow got carried on the higher ranked account.

Edit: Incidentally, noticed my MMR gain increased slightly after pushing up the w/l ratio.

Enokitake.1742:

Anyone else got multiple accounts with vastly different ratings? If so why.

The rating system needs a big enough sample size (= numbers of matches played) to give somewhat accurate ratings. So the ratings after placement matches shouldn’t be overrated. Especially for accounts with an overall low amount of ranked games, because then even the pre-season-rating – which still plays a role – might be inaccurate too. Of course i don’t know, if that’s the case in mentioned example, but it is a possible explanation.

Kahrgan.7401:

I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)

The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.

But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.

Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.

The system is not garbage. What messed up the system were the PLACEMENT matches. They’re pretty much based in luck and inaccurate. They do a lousy job of determining where you should be.

Then just ignore those placement matches and keep playing, and the system might put you where you belong. Don’t forget, the season lasts for almost 2 months. It is simply not possible to rate everyone correctly after a few matches.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Then just ignore those placement matches and keep playing, and the system might put you where you belong. Don’t forget, the season lasts for almost 2 months. It is simply not possible to rate everyone correctly after a few matches.

To add to this, don’t play on weekends. Lots of newbies and casual players play at those times. If you’re a veteran player with higher mmr that tends to have an influence in games or help carry, you will get paired up with them.

First of all, fortunately I don’t really care about my rating. But if I knew that the first 10 placement matches would weight so heavily, I would have at least made sure to play my main class with a proper build.

What I’ve done is quite simple. There is an achievement where you have to win as a certain class a total of x times to finish that achievement with different classes. I don’t play anything else beside ele, but now I had to play something else and I simply wanted to get rid of this achievement as fast as possible. So in the first 10 games of this season I played as druid and mostly reaper (needed 2 wins on ranger and 5 on necro). As a result I lost more then I won and felt I lost a lot of games from which I knew it would have been won if I entered the game on my ele. The result is that my rating is exceptionally low I think and i destroyed it by playing classes I never play. Now after playing my ele for a few games (won 3 lost 1, sorry, i don’t spend too much time in pvp) I notice that it doesn’t give you a lot of points for each win you get (below 20 each time), so I can’t help but think that moving up is going to be a very slow affair. I would judge myself to be at least silver or nearing gold, so it should take awhile for my rating to “settle” like the devs have mentioned? Or will this really settle you anywhere you belong? because in the end, matchups are very RNG. Good thing it doesn’t influence the pvp achievements for the backpiece, so I don’t care.

Eitherway, placement seems to be too important in general? since moving up will be slow either way and it’s not like you can carry games (especially as ele?).

Question to the masses:
What is the highest amount of rating points you have won so far?

megilandil.7506:

no, what is the exact impact of 10 placement matches?

I agree that 10 matches arent enough to determine an exact ranking. But isnt the exact, final ranking kinda the goal of this season? I think with more matches played everyone will get closer to the division they belong.

In this subforum many players claim to be the only one with a clue in their team. I recently had a match where 3 people in my team were yelling at each other, everyone of them thought he/she were the best and everyone else were scrubs. What i want to say is i just dont buy it. Im playing in bronze myself and ive seen so many people rage in teamchat in the last few days who rushed far at start just to die there, dont use blocks on their DH and melt within seconds etc. There are quite a few players overrating their own skill-lvl.

What im wondering more about is all the chat-rage ingame. It happened sometimes in the last seasons (i didnt play too much pvp back then) and i thought it was because people were mad for loosing pips and winning streaks and thus progression to their legendary. I expected less rage with the change to the reward structure but actually i havent seen so much rage and toxicity like in the last few days.

JTGuevara.9018:

Kahrgan.7401:

I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)

The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.

But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.

Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.

The system is not garbage. What messed up the system were the PLACEMENT matches. They’re pretty much based in luck and inaccurate. They do a lousy job of determining where you should be.

This is pretty much it. In my placements, I have had games of wildly varying quality, ranging from:

1) People disconnecting in a couple of them, resulting in a loss
2) People on my team who literally lose 4v2s and 4v3s multiple times
3) Average ranked games that were close and were fun
4) And a game where we stomped the opposing side.

Thus, where you end up initially is heavily dependent on what sort of teams and enemies you end up with during placements. If I could do this all over again I would have waited a few weeks before even attempting placement.

What about claims that even if you end up in a lower tier, you can just move back up if “you’re better than the tier you should be in”? I’m not the greatest player on the planet, but I can win most of the 1v1s that are in my classes’ favor or which should be a stalemate (eg. I can win most mesmer vs necro 1v1s, but will likely lose mesmer vs dh), and I think I perform pretty well in teamfights. I’ve won 1v2s as well, but that relies on the opponent making huge mistakes. My rotations are not spot-perfect but they are pretty solid. In previous leagues, I’ve gotten to Diamond once (taking a month’s break during the league) and Legendary twice all on solo queue (I sat out the last season).

Yet, as of now, I’m stuck in Silver hell where people are still losing their 4v3s or triple/quadruple cap mid. I can’t carry that unless I can consistently win 1v2s or 1v3s.
The biggest problem, as mentioned time and time again, is that the system uses team performance in a solo queue system to gauge individual skill level. Even if you are “better than your current tier”, you won’t be able to move up unless most of your teammates are ALSO “better than their current tier”. As of now, getting such a team is difficult at best.

This is all you need to know.

Jojo.6140:

megilandil.7506:

no, what is the exact impact of 10 placement matches?

I agree that 10 matches arent enough to determine an exact ranking. But isnt the exact, final ranking kinda the goal of this season? I think with more matches played everyone will get closer to the division they belong.

In this subforum many players claim to be the only one with a clue in their team. I recently had a match where 3 people in my team were yelling at each other, everyone of them thought he/she were the best and everyone else were scrubs. What i want to say is i just dont buy it. Im playing in bronze myself and ive seen so many people rage in teamchat in the last few days who rushed far at start just to die there, dont use blocks on their DH and melt within seconds etc. There are quite a few players overrating their own skill-lvl.

What im wondering more about is all the chat-rage ingame. It happened sometimes in the last seasons (i didnt play too much pvp back then) and i thought it was because people were mad for loosing pips and winning streaks and thus progression to their legendary. I expected less rage with the change to the reward structure but actually i havent seen so much rage and toxicity like in the last few days.

no, if sistem are mmr based as they say, final ranking is not the objective, when you play a little amount of matches your mmr should be stable, it reflects your ability and climbs if you git gud and decreases if you make bad choices or get bad luck, you cant dramatically improve or be worse in 2 month that should be that represents a full div jump, people gaining/losing big amounts of mmr score implies system flawed and i assume that flaw is about of placement matches having big impact and the mmr soft reset not being so soft, i started that season in top gold 2 wining easily 6-7 (mostly blowouts and losing for a little margin the losed games) of the placement matches and enter a spiral of defeats(33% win loss ratio) that placed in mid silver 2 (a entire div) in only 25 matches and i have to battle againts players that clearly arent silver-gold, they belong higher, all previous seasons i get in ruby low-mid tiers or top saph(in the famous mmr hell season)that i asume is the same of silver 3 gold 1-2, not saying the high impact of the cordinated duos againts pure soloers

for that i think there are a vast community of farmers that smurfed their acounts in placement and go to their natural place in a very productive way stomping clearly worse soloers as a duo

Abelisk.4527:

This is all you need to know.

If you account name is close to your Ele name, I can tell you why your teams are losing → Its your play and your build.

You were on my team and we lost horribly because you went down in seconds, next game you were on opp team and we dropped you in seconds and won.

Thank you for posting that screenshot actually, it confirms that people on the forums complain when it is indeed their fault they are where they are at. There is no way, with the play I saw in two back to back games, you deserve to be at the same MMR I am.

displacedTitan.6897:

If you account name is close to your Ele name, I can tell you why your teams are losing -> Its your play and your build.

You were on my team and we lost horribly because you went down in seconds, next game you were on opp team and we dropped you in seconds and won.

Thank you for posting that screenshot actually, it confirms that people on the forums complain when it is indeed their fault they are where they are at. There is no way, with the play I saw in two back to back games, you deserve to be at the same MMR I am.

No no no. That is just a pro league level player who was unlucky.

Locuz.2651:

No no no. That is just a pro league level player who was unlucky.

Oh right, they just got very unlucky in placement and should be higher ranked! That play I saw in two games on different teams was not indicative of their skill at all!

These forums are excellent every season.

displacedTitan.6897:

Oh right, they just got very unlucky in placement and should be higher ranked! That play I saw in two games on different teams was not indicative of their skill at all!

These forums are excellent every season.

U know….all players who win, win due to their own skillfull play. If they lose its due to bad luck.