Guild Wars 2

There hasn’t been a major balance patch for months. There have been posts on here from Anet staff themself admitting they are not happy with the current balence, yet we are still waiting for a balence patch, which has been pushed back for another few weeks.

Checking the balence update preview which Jonathan Sharp made, there is very little actually talking about balance. The only thing there is a reference to toning down is Flanking Strike, and that is just reducing the boon steal efficiency.

So Anet, are you really actually happy with the current meta? Condi spam is fine? War regen is fine? CC spam is fine (We know the stun duration bug is being fixed, but that isn’t the only problem). How about the amount of low skill builds which can carry low skilled players? Traits and skills which are far too strong or offer little counterplay? Stealth as a mechanic (well this is more in wvw than pvp, due to balancing difference, but it is still a strong mechanic with little counterplay. lol sick em).

Can you please give us some sort of indication that you don’t want mindless builds to continue to be so strong and that you actually plan to tone down some of these things? At the moment you seem to be making changes which encourage little risk and worse, low reward for high risk. I am not talking about RIP Ele sort of nerfs, just actual balance to lower the ongoing powercreep from the pre-pax patches…

Oh btw Jonathan, Ele’s have 5 conjured weapons. ^_^

Sounds like the only things really getting shaved are maybe 1 bleed from necros… 1 boon from s/d thieves, and a ‘modification’ to the ranger waterfield heal…

4 months for this ‘long awaited’ patch and it seems extraordinarily lackluster =\

I would rather the patch undo all the changes it made in the last major one so we’re back to the melee meta we had before. I guess we’ll see what they really have in store… I’d rather any huge patch that changes the meta from condi instawin.

How do you stop mindless builds when classes like thief exist, I main thief btw serious question.

It’s always going to be something between flank spam, BS stealth spam, pistol whip spam, heartseek spam. War will always be CC chain, HB haste spam, etc. you get my drift.

Internal game design flaw. kittened cheese builds will always exist because of how the classes are so simple. It’s just pop cooldowns, run in, faceroll, repeat. there is no soft ebb and flow, you are either getting hit by a truck or tickled by a feather.

Mindless? mindless is AI based or tanky builds. Thieves (other than s/d) are arguably the hardest class to play.

They’re gonna tone down the community by removing the ability to post in the forums and all you’ll see is #ESPORTS, #ESPORTS, #ESPORTS.

Mathias.9657:

How do you stop mindless builds when classes like thief exist, I main thief btw serious question.

It’s always going to be something between flank spam, BS stealth spam, pistol whip spam, heartseek spam. War will always be CC chain, HB haste spam, etc. you get my drift.

Internal game design flaw. kittened cheese builds will always exist because of how the classes are so simple. It’s just pop cooldowns, run in, faceroll, repeat. there is no soft ebb and flow, you are either getting hit by a truck or tickled by a feather.

Pistol whip and HB have like 100 ways to counter play them. Possibly a million.

They should really have a forum for top players so you don’t have kittens who die every 10 seconds complaining about everything lol

ensoriki.5789:

Mathias.9657:

How do you stop mindless builds when classes like thief exist, I main thief btw serious question.

It’s always going to be something between flank spam, BS stealth spam, pistol whip spam, heartseek spam. War will always be CC chain, HB haste spam, etc. you get my drift.

Internal game design flaw. kittened cheese builds will always exist because of how the classes are so simple. It’s just pop cooldowns, run in, faceroll, repeat. there is no soft ebb and flow, you are either getting hit by a truck or tickled by a feather.

Pistol whip and HB have like 100 ways to counter play them. Possibly a million.

You mean there are ways you can avoid it, not counter it. There is no counter for PW in game, just like how most of the game lacks counter play.

A counter would be if you catch them spamming pw and you interrupt them, its locked out for 10secs. Sounds familiar? Yes yes it does, gw1 had lots of counter play.

This is the right path for the devs because the meta is currently shifting on its own. Yes, everyone clung to necros and spirit rangers right after that one patch, and then they realized warriors are strong so we’re moving towards control for a bit until the bunkers and 1v1 builds neutralize the control people.

Just let it settle.

Aza.2105:

ensoriki.5789:

Mathias.9657:

How do you stop mindless builds when classes like thief exist, I main thief btw serious question.

It’s always going to be something between flank spam, BS stealth spam, pistol whip spam, heartseek spam. War will always be CC chain, HB haste spam, etc. you get my drift.

Internal game design flaw. kittened cheese builds will always exist because of how the classes are so simple. It’s just pop cooldowns, run in, faceroll, repeat. there is no soft ebb and flow, you are either getting hit by a truck or tickled by a feather.

Pistol whip and HB have like 100 ways to counter play them. Possibly a million.

You mean there are ways you can avoid it, not counter it. There is no counter for PW in game, just like how most of the game lacks counter play.

A counter would be if you catch them spamming pw and you interrupt them, its locked out for 10secs. Sounds familiar? Yes yes it does, gw1 had lots of counter play.

You can interrupt PW even after being stunned. Assuming you don’t dodge it. Initiative is consumed regardless. Opptornist is unlikely to proc on 1st hit so full 5 INI. Without 15 preparedness thats 42% of resource gone to crap. If using inf strike to land it more than half. If it hits you stun break and walk out mitigating possibly half the damage of a skill notably weaker than HB. Without quick recovery its almost 9s to recover INI from failed PWs. With a wind up like CND and stability to counter if you are hit anyways and traits like tempest defense skills like phase retreat its easy to cancel PWs and counter attack.

Hb , pw , zealot defense earthquake kill shot are all easy to play against because they’ve Been given restrictions.

aza is right. u r wrong in this

Anet already shaved spirit rangers down a bit, necros were barely affected but people figured out how to deal with conditions. Warriors will get hit decently hard with the simple fix to sigil of paralyzation. S/D thieves going from two boons to one is a major tweak.

In addition, many other professions are getting buffs to condition removal and support.

Anet is right to not gut entire builds instantly. There are plenty of well-thought-out changes coming Oct. 15th.

Am I the only person who’s frustrated we were told the update would be October 1st and of course, it’s been pushed back 2 more weeks? Oh, but by showing my frustration now they won’t give any clarity on when these things will happen and we’ll get the “when it’s ready.”

At this point I don’t believe “when it’s ready” either. Sounds more like “if it’s ready.”

Achilles.2197:

Am I the only person who’s frustrated we were told the update would be October 1st and of course, it’s been pushed back 2 more weeks? Oh, but by showing my frustration now they won’t give any clarity on when these things will happen and we’ll get the “when it’s ready.”

At this point I don’t believe “when it’s ready” either. Sounds more like “if it’s ready.”

They recieved a lot of feedback and are possibly affected by that.

Lastly, “shaving down” is a major understatement to what needs to be done. Last night in spamjoin there was a spirit ranger, 2 mesmers, 2 minion necros, and an engi all on 1 cap point. Im generally very good at following damage and action, but good Lord it was ridiculous. So much crap flying around the screen it made targeting impossible (I know this is supposedly getting addressed but…) being able to see what the kitten is going on is downright impossible also. I ended up just dropping null field on the cap point and sitting on the outside of it conjuring phantasms and picking off players trying to do the same. I know several of them were dying just because there was too much happening on their screens for them to keep up with.

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’ll be talking about some balance updates during the MLG tournament happening today, so you should check it out!

I see what you did there! you are poking us so that you have more viewers to brag about.
It may work with some… i will read about it tomorrow.

Hey I’ll take the bait! just gimme time and link to where to watch it :O

I’ll be tuning in, though I’ve already seen the patch note preview of course. Also

Allie Murdock.8152:

Balance updates on the Oct. 15.

So many kittens in your pokitten!

^ post of the year award.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Yes cause its the players fault they arent interested so you get no resources..
Is there any hidden quality that i miss in Anet as a company that their game’s playerbase has to put up with unfinished bad content?
Make it worthwile (get the resources) and people will come.
The players in general arent obliged to do anything..you just have to take that bet with spvp and invest

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

humm sure! I do agree with you but… how can we show that we actually don’t like GW2 PvP?

I mean the combat system is the best I have ever seen but that by itself doesn’t make a great PvP experience when balance is awful, one single game mode and incentives /rewards are non existent.

there is no sub so i can’t just unsub to show my disappointment… I stoped spending money buying gems (although I’m a pure PvP player and dont PvE at all i DID buy gems to contribute to support the game) and what other way do I have?
Clearly complaining on the forums and making suggestions doesn’t cut it…

Volrath.1473:

Clearly complaining on the forums and making suggestions doesn’t cut it…

Well you just complained that there was no subscription so you couldn’t complain by dropping the subscription. What are the devs supposed to be doing about that?

Avead.5760:

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Yes cause its the players fault they arent interested so you get no resources..
Is there any hidden quality that i miss in Anet as a company that their game’s playerbase has to put up with unfinished bad content?
Make it worthwile (get the resources) and people will come.
The players in general arent obliged to do anything..you just have to take that bet with spvp and invest

It’s a vicious circle. People not interested → less resources → even less people → even less resources, and so on XD

Avead.5760:

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Yes cause its the players fault they arent interested so you get no resources..
Is there any hidden quality that i miss in Anet as a company that their game’s playerbase has to put up with unfinished bad content?
Make it worthwile (get the resources) and people will come.
The players in general arent obliged to do anything..you just have to take that bet with spvp and invest

Unfortunately, that is how life works, it is part of that circle.

ex. WiiU, developers wont make games because it is not selling well, however players are not going to buy it because IF doesn’t have a lot of software that they want.

I just want a few simple things to make this format enjoyable

• Less chaos on the screen
• Rewards that actually mean something
• The ability to be useful and have fun playing any class (not necessarily any build)
• Better ranking system

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Welcome to the internet !

I’ll watch it. It’ll be interesting to see what people produce for the tourney, even if the espaats is a bit lacking at the moment. If we’re also talking balance that’ll kill two birds with one stone.

Avead.5760:

Yes cause its the players fault they arent interested so you get no resources..
Is there any hidden quality that i miss in Anet as a company that their game’s playerbase has to put up with unfinished bad content?
Make it worthwile (get the resources) and people will come.
The players in general arent obliged to do anything..you just have to take that bet with spvp and invest

I believe the point was more that if he’s interested, why would he just wait until the day after, purposely not supporting the event? If you are interested in the information, just watch the event (mute it during matches and watch Cops if you want), and get the information then, which will actually give more support to GW2 → more money → more resources → better game.

Or find someone who does want to watch the event (there are plenty) and have them tell you when the relevant things to you are coming on, so you only watch what you want.

I think the point was more: if you support the game it’ll get better, instead of purposely not supporting them in annoyance (justified annoyance I agree) and screwing yourself over indirectly in the process.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

this just finally says to me that you guys only monetize PvE.
and that your company is not willing to invest resources into SPVP. I’m going to watch the MLG but I doubt I’m going to stick around now,

I came to Guild Wars 2 to get away from World of Warcraft which I played for 8 years then finally quit because of the Blantant disregard for PvP. World of Warcraft was once in mlg for a little while too until they got kicked out by mlg because of the games poor balance.

I wish Guild Wars 2 and ArenaNet the best of luck. especially the PvP team which I think are under appreciated and under-resourced, I’ll be back to play when you guys finally get SPVP in a better state

Lol at how they plug the tournament by the carrot that maybe we get some information on what will change. because that is the only way people will watch the show. And also lol @ how the game is going to look with tiny asuras and massive effects/ai.

Anet dont care about pvp in this game. They just want to do their lame tournaments and so they throw everything at it…now including INFORMATION which nobody can get out of them otherwise.

What a fail dudes. What a fail.

Also I BET they didnt change the meta because of this kitten. Those leaked patch notes showed things were close but lol, bet they held off for another 40 dudes play a tournament nobody cares about

Allie, maybe Mike O’Brien should think about why sPvP isn’t popular. Hmmm maybe because all features are bugged or broken, unfun to play, no rewards hmhmhmhmhm. You cant get a big PvP community with little to no real PvP in the game, first the features, then the community, then more, bigger features and tournaments.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Also I BET they didnt change the meta because of this kitten. Those leaked patch notes showed things were close but lol, bet they held off for another 40 dudes play a tournament nobody cares about

This hadn’t come to me but now that you said it, it’s very likely unfortunately.

i hope inc balance patch gonna improve pvp aspect pf the game becouse even if atm the situation is not so good i still belive that gw2 can become huge pvp/esport game.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

You know. Lions arch map chat is a great place to advertise. I just found out about this tournament 5 mins ago. Saw 970 people watching on twitch, I went to anvil rock lions arch and mentioned it in map chat, and the viewer count went up 200 a few seconds later. IDK how much if any of that was caused by me spamming but you guys should really announce stuff in game if its a big official tournament.
Its your biggest advertising base.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

That seems somewhat somewhat disingenuous. I think we all agree the right way to generate data which indicates more people like GW2 is by actually getting more people to like GW2.

daydream.2938:

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

You know. Lions arch map chat is a great place to advertise. I just found out about this tournament 5 mins ago. Saw 970 people watching on twitch, I went to anvil rock lions arch and mentioned it in map chat, and the viewer count went up 200 a few seconds later. IDK how much if any of that was caused by me spamming but you guys should really announce stuff in game if its a big official tournament.
Its your biggest advertising base.

This is a really constructive suggestion. It would probably be really easy to get double the number of viewers, or triple, or more.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Well. Chances are that you would interpret views = people being satisfied with the game, and not views = people are supporting the game so we can get more ressources for overhauls.
For a very long time dedicated fans have been tuning in at every single tournament, and the game was only changed for the worse. I believe people are now trying a different strategy

Allie Murdock.8152:

Balance updates on the Oct. 15.

So many kittens in your post!

Could anet stream a match in their test servers with the upcoming changes in place? Before the patch. I think it would be interesting and bring many curious players to view it.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Why doesn’t anet put more resources into pvp so that it can get popular?

milo.6942:

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Why doesn’t anet put more resources into pvp so that it can get popular?

Likely because there’s more money in allocating resources to temp casual content that drives people back into the game every 2 weeks to drop $$$ in the cash shop. However, I think NCsoft is probably more responsible for this.

By the way as an aside, the “PvP Community Coordinator” has very poor attitude in all her posts. Very condescending and sarcastic. For all the poo we fling at the pvp devs they at least keep their heads screwed on right when they post.

milo.6942:

By the way as an aside, the “PvP Community Coordinator” has very poor attitude in all her posts. Very condescending and sarcastic. For all the poo we fling at the pvp devs they at least keep their heads screwed on right when they post.

If I could hazard a guess, I’d say that Allie came to the forums in a very positive manner at first but this place is a sea of tears and anger that never stops, even when she tries to be reassuring. She and other devs are very passionate about their game, and after a year or so of constant Q_Q, rude comments etc, what more can be said?

swiftpaw.6397:

milo.6942:

By the way as an aside, the “PvP Community Coordinator” has very poor attitude in all her posts. Very condescending and sarcastic. For all the poo we fling at the pvp devs they at least keep their heads screwed on right when they post.

If I could hazard a guess, I’d say that Allie came to the forums in a very positive manner at first but this place is a sea of tears and anger that never stops, even when she tries to be reassuring. She and other devs are very passionate about their game, and after a year or so of constant Q_Q, rude comments etc, what more can be said?

Well I already said what needs to be said, the other devs get the main artillery fire from the forum kitten cannons but they never post with an attitude like hers.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

gw2 officially going down as worst PVPer cash grab and run to ever exist

statements like this are literally a slap in the face, she even threw in sarcasm. GJ EA’ing the guild wars name.

swiftpaw.6397:

milo.6942:

By the way as an aside, the “PvP Community Coordinator” has very poor attitude in all her posts. Very condescending and sarcastic. For all the poo we fling at the pvp devs they at least keep their heads screwed on right when they post.

If I could hazard a guess, I’d say that Allie came to the forums in a very positive manner at first but this place is a sea of tears and anger that never stops, even when she tries to be reassuring. She and other devs are very passionate about their game, and after a year or so of constant Q_Q, rude comments etc, what more can be said?

This is true, and I think she’s justified to be irritated with the forum users, but it’s still a bad idea to be too sassy since it’s just poking the hornets nest even more. =p

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

That made me laugh. Probably wasn’t the best way to express your opinion but lol.

I will recommend gw2 spvp to everyone I know.
Gw2 spvp is the best esport i’ve ever seen, except maybe League of Legends.
I will never stop talking about gw2 spvp or League of Legends.

You know what’s not slowing down ? Gw2 spvp, haven’t seen anything like it since League of Legends.

:)