Guild Wars 2

This is ridiculous. How can a class stealth 80% of the time you are fighting it and then just throw poison and HIGH STACKS OF BLEED at you constantly? I can’t do kitten vs them. Yes, I pack 3 condition removal tools and it’s pointless because they aren’t even out of stealth long enough for me to do anything.

Are you a trap ranger?
No?
Then you dun goof’d.

That makes no sense…come again?

Soyboy.3548:

That makes no sense…come again?

you can’t F’in target them and they’re burning you with conditions. In other games this is described as hacking. In GW2’s tortured idea of “balance” it’s described as a legitimate build.

He means that trap rangers are even better at attacking/defending trebs than condition thieves are, which is true. Thieves in general turn the “learning curve” into a “learning right angle,” which is problematic and has probably caused many people to stop playing. There are also some builds/professions that are at a severe disadvantage vs. stealth thieves in a 1v1, because not all builds include AoE or lockdown ability.

All that said, stealth/condition thieves are not gamebreaking. If you don’t have a build that can lock them down and kill them, you should focus on staying alive (they can’t damage you unless you insist on staying in one place) and avoiding 1v1s unless it’s on a point your team controls. Your team will probably win because you’ve negated most of that thief’s effectiveness.

Soyboy.3548:

This is ridiculous. How can a class stealth 80% of the time you are fighting it and then just throw poison and HIGH STACKS OF BLEED at you constantly? I can’t do kitten vs them. Yes, I pack 3 condition removal tools and it’s pointless because they aren’t even out of stealth long enough for me to do anything.

Let me tell you how to against stealth bleeding thiefs.
- Do not let them be close to your character. The reason why is because they can stealth by using dagger #5, and that’s the only way they can keep stealth. They will remove 1 condition every 3 seconds in stealth so if you run a condi character, you better not let them dagger #5 u a lot. That’s all I can teach you.

btw, stealth bleeding thief is really useless if you do understand what they r doing… it’s a pretty useless build.

regards.

Tarcis Rhapsodos.

Anastasis.7258:

Soyboy.3548:

This is ridiculous. How can a class stealth 80% of the time you are fighting it and then just throw poison and HIGH STACKS OF BLEED at you constantly? I can’t do kitten vs them. Yes, I pack 3 condition removal tools and it’s pointless because they aren’t even out of stealth long enough for me to do anything.

Let me tell you how to against stealth bleeding thiefs.
- Do not let them be close to your character. The reason why is because they can stealth by using dagger #5, and that’s the only way they can keep stealth. They will remove 1 condition every 3 seconds in stealth so if you run a condi character, you better not let them dagger #5 u a lot. That’s all I can teach you.

btw, stealth bleeding thief is really useless if you do understand what they r doing… it’s a pretty useless build.

regards.

Tarcis Rhapsodos.

I’m just going to go ahead and say you’re 100% wrong. DD isn’t really used anymore because you have to hit for stealth.

defeating these builds isn’t about killing them, it’s about making them feel useless.

learn to gain satisfaction from outplaying ppl rather than scoring the killing blow & thieves will take on a new perspective for you.

( 80% stealth uptime != conquest victory )

Jax.5261:

Anastasis.7258:

Soyboy.3548:

This is ridiculous. How can a class stealth 80% of the time you are fighting it and then just throw poison and HIGH STACKS OF BLEED at you constantly? I can’t do kitten vs them. Yes, I pack 3 condition removal tools and it’s pointless because they aren’t even out of stealth long enough for me to do anything.

Let me tell you how to against stealth bleeding thiefs.
- Do not let them be close to your character. The reason why is because they can stealth by using dagger #5, and that’s the only way they can keep stealth. They will remove 1 condition every 3 seconds in stealth so if you run a condi character, you better not let them dagger #5 u a lot. That’s all I can teach you.

btw, stealth bleeding thief is really useless if you do understand what they r doing… it’s a pretty useless build.

regards.

Tarcis Rhapsodos.

I’m just going to go ahead and say you’re 100% wrong. DD isn’t really used anymore because you have to hit for stealth.

D/D might no longer be popular for burst thieves, but what other weapon set allows both bleed stacking and frequent stealthing like the OP was complaining about? The only spammable stealths I’m aware of are finishers + smoke fields and CnD. If you run D/P for the black powder + HS stealth, you don’t have much in the way of bleeds (just utility skills and dodge caltrops). Weapon swap cooldowns rule out black powder → cluster bomb. What am I missing?

faeral.7120:

defeating these builds isn’t about killing them, it’s about making them feel useless.

learn to gain satisfaction from outplaying ppl rather than scoring the killing blow & thieves will take on a new perspective for you.

( 80% stealth uptime != conquest victory )

agree.

what is the role of dd condition thief except trolling hard? send ele against that thief, and profit

edruviransu.1029:

Jax.5261:

Anastasis.7258:

Soyboy.3548:

This is ridiculous. How can a class stealth 80% of the time you are fighting it and then just throw poison and HIGH STACKS OF BLEED at you constantly? I can’t do kitten vs them. Yes, I pack 3 condition removal tools and it’s pointless because they aren’t even out of stealth long enough for me to do anything.

Let me tell you how to against stealth bleeding thiefs.
- Do not let them be close to your character. The reason why is because they can stealth by using dagger #5, and that’s the only way they can keep stealth. They will remove 1 condition every 3 seconds in stealth so if you run a condi character, you better not let them dagger #5 u a lot. That’s all I can teach you.

btw, stealth bleeding thief is really useless if you do understand what they r doing… it’s a pretty useless build.

regards.

Tarcis Rhapsodos.

I’m just going to go ahead and say you’re 100% wrong. DD isn’t really used anymore because you have to hit for stealth.

D/D might no longer be popular for burst thieves, but what other weapon set allows both bleed stacking and frequent stealthing like the OP was complaining about? The only spammable stealths I’m aware of are finishers + smoke fields and CnD. If you run D/P for the black powder + HS stealth, you don’t have much in the way of bleeds (just utility skills and dodge caltrops). Weapon swap cooldowns rule out black powder -> cluster bomb. What am I missing?

P/D, #5 is stealth. auto-attack is 1 bleed per hit. Stealth mini-unload is like 5/6 stacks?

See: http://www.youtube.com/user/SlicGW?feature=g-high-lik

Jax.5261:

Anastasis.7258:

Soyboy.3548:

This is ridiculous. How can a class stealth 80% of the time you are fighting it and then just throw poison and HIGH STACKS OF BLEED at you constantly? I can’t do kitten vs them. Yes, I pack 3 condition removal tools and it’s pointless because they aren’t even out of stealth long enough for me to do anything.

Let me tell you how to against stealth bleeding thiefs.
- Do not let them be close to your character. The reason why is because they can stealth by using dagger #5, and that’s the only way they can keep stealth. They will remove 1 condition every 3 seconds in stealth so if you run a condi character, you better not let them dagger #5 u a lot. That’s all I can teach you.

btw, stealth bleeding thief is really useless if you do understand what they r doing… it’s a pretty useless build.

regards.

Tarcis Rhapsodos.

I’m just going to go ahead and say you’re 100% wrong. DD isn’t really used anymore because you have to hit for stealth.

I guess you are misunderstanding.
First, I did not mention any D/D thief in my post, so I don’t know where is your D/D statement came from.

Second, do not point out others are 100% wrong when you don’t fully understand what they are trying to say.

Third, what I’m saying is about how to against any kind of the bleeding stealth thief, no matter what weapons they are using.

Finally, I know what weapon set is the most popular for bleeding stealth thief, so please, read before reply.

Regards.

Tarcis Rhapsodos

Jax.5261:

Anastasis.7258:

Soyboy.3548:

This is ridiculous. How can a class stealth 80% of the time you are fighting it and then just throw poison and HIGH STACKS OF BLEED at you constantly? I can’t do kitten vs them. Yes, I pack 3 condition removal tools and it’s pointless because they aren’t even out of stealth long enough for me to do anything.

Let me tell you how to against stealth bleeding thiefs.
- Do not let them be close to your character. The reason why is because they can stealth by using dagger #5, and that’s the only way they can keep stealth. They will remove 1 condition every 3 seconds in stealth so if you run a condi character, you better not let them dagger #5 u a lot. That’s all I can teach you.

btw, stealth bleeding thief is really useless if you do understand what they r doing… it’s a pretty useless build.

regards.

Tarcis Rhapsodos.

I’m just going to go ahead and say you’re 100% wrong. DD isn’t really used anymore because you have to hit for stealth.

You use… D/P for bleed Thief then?

P/D is awful.
Why? Because the only viable role condi thief can possibly fill is to force a 1v2 on far point to give your team a 4v3 advantage. (Much like bunker Ele)
Without the aoe and evasion of death blossom, you won’t last very long 1v2.

Condi Thief, being low on power, are also VERY slow to actually kill the treb. Especially if they are P/D. Rest assured that the opposing team is relatively gimped by having this sort of thief on their team going after the treb. Staff bunker eles are a similar concept (being extremely hard to kill 1v1) but they kill the treb far faster than a condi thief.

Next time just leave the treb when he shows up, leave him to it and enjoy your 5v4 for the next 2 minutes.

These thieves seem to just pop up anytime I repair a treb and then harass me for as long as I stick around. Then they kill the treb again. It’s extremely annoying, and I can’t kill them period.

Generally stealth caltrop thiefs are useless bc u cant contest a point in stealth, and they are poo in team fights bc of there low dps.

Going after treb users or defending treb is the only concievable use for them.
Still, pretty useless in organized play all the same i would think. I cant recall the last i lost to a group running a caltrops thief.

But D/D can’t stay in stealth so you can easily fight them (unless you’re playing sPvP then D/D all the way, which is probably what you’re talking about anyway), that’s why D/P is the problem, only negative is they don’t have death blossom.
Either way they’re not played in decent tournament matches because they’re not good against roamers or any side point defender, can’t even do decent against a Guardian.