Guild Wars 2

So it has been decided that Stronghold belongs to the conquest queue.

That means that if you want to play this new “game mode” you are forced to play the old conquest maps most of the time.

I made this poll concerning this topic.

http://strawpoll.me/3632530

Not really needed but hey. :p
Anet likes their stats.

That’s it…who is the daily hero that voted no….

This will obviously be a landslide…

I don’t agree with placing Stronghold in the conquest queue, but I doubt “most of the time” will be accurate! Most likely anytime Stronghold comes up, it will be picked!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

ellesee.8297:

I don’t agree with placing Stronghold in the conquest queue, but I doubt “most of the time” will be accurate! Most likely anytime Stronghold comes up, it will be picked!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

No, one guy will pick skyhammer and it’ll get picked.

I’d prefer to see it separate at launch and then integrate later if it makes sense.

Think of Courtyard as the Stronghold right now in the Unranked queue. Normally, you’d have a Conquest build, but if it gets picked, you have to change your build under two minutes just to be competent in team deathmatch. So imagine having three game modes—you would need to remember three types of builds for each just in case.

ellesee.8297:

I don’t agree with placing Stronghold in the conquest queue, but I doubt “most of the time” will be accurate! Most likely anytime Stronghold comes up, it will be picked!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

There are 7 other maps. 8 with stronghold.

Even if the vote ratio for stronghold was 100% you would still play conquest most of the time

GhOst.4019:

That’s it…who is the daily hero that voted no….

I’m glad you made this because if you hadn’t, I would have. As soon as they said Stronghold would be in the same queue as Conquest I was shocked.

Stronghold is going to take completely different strategies and team compositions than conquest. Teams should be able to choose to play stronghold or play conquest. If you were to keep them in the same queue, it would be like mixing up teams who want to play GW1 GvG and HA. It just doesn’t work with specialized team comps.

I urge ArenaNet to rethink their decision. I can’t even express how much of a bad idea this is. If you have your team equipped with Stronghold builds, they should NOT have to switch their builds and game plan/ mind set because a map vote didn’t go their way. There NEEDS to be a separate queue.

The solution is easy I think.

Once everybody ready’s up, before selecting which map you want to play on, you select which mode you want to play on first, then you choose the map.

As there is only one map for stronghold and team deathmatch, this doesn’t really matter all that much though.

Since they are going to rotate WvW maps each week (so they don’t go stagnant) why don’t they just implement a ‘Wheel of Fortune’ at reset that will pop up for everyone that isn’t in a dungeon. Let the WvW players have the wheel of doom for choosing the weekly map too. Stronghold with Conquest merged Q. Absolutely absurd.

JackDaniels.1697:

The solution is easy I think.

Once everybody ready’s up, before selecting which map you want to play on, you select which mode you want to play on first, then you choose the map.

As there is only one map for stronghold and team deathmatch, this doesn’t really matter all that much though.

Which doesn’t solve the main issue, many players will want to play one mode and not the other at all, so will result in people simply quitting or AFKing, when they are forced to play the mode they have zero interest in, frankly I won’t even bother buying the expansion if there is a shared queue, it makes the game unplayable for me.

GW2 HoT is going to have a massive entry of new & oldplayers.

The queues are going to be really populated so there’s no reason at all to split them.

If they become slower after the first months, there are plenty of solutions:

- Reward players for entering the least joined queue (achievements, reward track progress, etc)

- If we have seasons, players will try to be as hight as possible in both ladders so they can claim the rewards (that’s what happens in WoW 2v2 & 3v3) – Note: each ladder should have different rewards

- If nothing works, mix them

I will leave everything thats not Stronkhold ;P

Marcos.3690:

GW2 HoT is going to have a massive entry of new & oldplayers.

The queues are going to be really populated so there’s no reason at all to split them.

thats actually a good reason to split them because you wont harm the queue times if there is a good amount of players.

If conquest and stronhold will be in the same queue i won’t even bother with pvp in the future….. They made a lot of forgiveable mistakes since the launch of gw2 when it comes to pvp…. but this is just utterly wrong…. it’s not even funny anymore.

Someone pls stop this madness and bring us back the Anet that made GW1 PvP.

Jekkt.6045:

Marcos.3690:

GW2 HoT is going to have a massive entry of new & oldplayers.

The queues are going to be really populated so there’s no reason at all to split them.

thats actually a good reason to split them because you wont harm the queue times if there is a good amount of players.

I actually think mixing them will do more harm to the queue times, as thousands of players already quit the game because of conquest.

idk if im mixing up things or just misunderstanding, i am pro splitting conquest and stronghold because when i feel like playing stronghold i wanna play stronghold without having to pray that the rng wheel lands on it.

your “there’s no reason at all to split them” confused me.

Morwath.9817:

I will leave everything thats not Stronkhold ;P

This I’m sure is meant to be a joke, but the amount of drop outs for a while after this is released with be immense…

Jekkt.6045:

idk if im mixing up things or just misunderstanding, i am pro splitting conquest and stronghold because when i feel like playing stronghold i wanna play stronghold without having to pray that the rng wheel lands on it.

your “there’s no reason at all to split them” confused me.

I think he meant no reason to merge, but I might be wrong.

ronpierce.2760:

Morwath.9817:

I will leave everything thats not Stronkhold ;P

This I’m sure is meant to be a joke, but the amount of drop outs for a while after this is released with be immense…

It’s not a joke.
If I will que for Stronkhold and will be thrown into Conq instant alt+f4 incoming.

Can someone do the maths?

- There are 8 maps in total: Nifhel, foefire, Kyhlo, temple, Spirit watch, Skyhammer, Couryard, Stronghold.

- In the current map selection, 3 maps are chosen at random.

- Each player votes 1 of the 3 maps. Let’s assume 90% of the playerbase vote for stronghold.

- What are the odds of playing Conquest? What are the odds of playing Stronghold?

I think queues should have check-boxes for which modes you want to/are willing to play.

You can choose to only queue for a stronghold map, deathmatch (courtyard), or conquest, or any subset.

Marcos.3690:

So it has been decided that Stronghold belongs to the conquest queue.

That means that if you want to play this new “game mode” you are forced to play the old conquest maps most of the time.

I made this poll concerning this topic.

http://strawpoll.me/3632530

Your poll has been invalidated

1.) It is a straw poll.
2.) It is missing some options. Don’t care is one of the options.

Marcos.3690:

Can someone do the maths?

- There are 8 maps in total: Nifhel, foefire, Kyhlo, temple, Spirit watch, Skyhammer, Couryard, Stronghold.

- In the current map selection, 3 maps are chosen at random.

- Each player votes 1 of the 3 maps. Let’s assume 90% of the playerbase vote for stronghold.

- What are the odds of playing Conquest? What are the odds of playing Stronghold?

with those numbers…
about 33% for stronkhold in unranked, about 54% in ranked

anzenketh.3759:

Marcos.3690:

So it has been decided that Stronghold belongs to the conquest queue.

That means that if you want to play this new “game mode” you are forced to play the old conquest maps most of the time.

I made this poll concerning this topic.

http://strawpoll.me/3632530

Your poll has been invalidated

1.) It is a straw poll.
2.) It is missing some options. Don’t care is one of the options.

In the end we, the community, want to make the game as good as possible. They can hear us, or they can ignore us because its a “strawpoll”

They are the only guys losing/earning money out of this. Anyway, over 90% so far

anzenketh.3759:

Marcos.3690:

So it has been decided that Stronghold belongs to the conquest queue.

That means that if you want to play this new “game mode” you are forced to play the old conquest maps most of the time.

I made this poll concerning this topic.

http://strawpoll.me/3632530

Your poll has been invalidated

1.) It is a straw poll.
2.) It is missing some options. Don’t care is one of the options.

One would think if you didn’t care you just wouldn’t need to weigh in… If you don’t care then obviously your opinion doesn’t matter just as well as the outcome…

+1 to separate queue.

The issue here is that people will end up making builds that either work well in conquest, or in strong hold, or mediocre in-betweens.

It’s completely different, and this is just treating it badly. :/

anzenketh.3759:

2.) It is missing some options. Don’t care is one of the options.

Your opinion isn’t relevant if you don’t care.

Marcos.3690:

ellesee.8297:

I don’t agree with placing Stronghold in the conquest queue, but I doubt “most of the time” will be accurate! Most likely anytime Stronghold comes up, it will be picked!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

There are 7 other maps. 8 with stronghold.

Even if the vote ratio for stronghold was 100% you would still play conquest most of the time

I think that about Foefire! Man I hate that map but it’s only 1 out of 7! But I end up playing it most of the time!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

coglin.1867:

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

Um. You don’t need to play it to realize you want to be able to chose what you’re doing. Easy way to prove it, say you hit que and you could either end up in pvp or in a dungeon with 4 others and you had no say about it and was punished if you left, youd quickly realize why this is a bad idea. They are vastly different modes.

ronpierce.2760:

coglin.1867:

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

Um. You don’t need to play it to realize you want to be able to chose what you’re doing. Easy way to prove it, say you hit que and you could either end up in pvp or in a dungeon with 4 others and you had no say about it and was punished if you left, youd quickly realize why this is a bad idea. They are vastly different modes.

What path do you prefer using when doing a timed rush for the opponents lord?

What is the best comp on this map?

Why would you compare a mode in which your opponent is a player to that of the environment and NPCs, and expect that to be taken seriously?

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

coglin.1867:

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

Um. You don’t need to play it to realize you want to be able to chose what you’re doing. Easy way to prove it, say you hit que and you could either end up in pvp or in a dungeon with 4 others and you had no say about it and was punished if you left, youd quickly realize why this is a bad idea. They are vastly different modes.

What path do you prefer using when doing a timed rush for the opponents lord?

What is the best comp on this map?

Why would you compare a mode in which your opponent is a player to that of the environment and NPCs, and expect that to be taken seriously?

Because you ignored my point just to be a smart kitten . They’re entirely different game modes where people will have timely preferences and don’t want to be forced to RNG their way into what they want to do.

ronpierce.2760:

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

coglin.1867:

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

Um. You don’t need to play it to realize you want to be able to chose what you’re doing. Easy way to prove it, say you hit que and you could either end up in pvp or in a dungeon with 4 others and you had no say about it and was punished if you left, youd quickly realize why this is a bad idea. They are vastly different modes.

What path do you prefer using when doing a timed rush for the opponents lord?

What is the best comp on this map?

Why would you compare a mode in which your opponent is a player to that of the environment and NPCs, and expect that to be taken seriously?

Because you ignored my point just to be a smart kitten . They’re entirely different game modes where people will have timely preferences and don’t want to be forced to RNG their way into what they want to do.

I didn’t ignore your point. I simply pointed out how your point is very uninformed, due to a total lack of experience to make one.

By the way, who are the “people” you are claiming to speak for? Did they vote for you to represent them somewhere or are you being presumptuous in assuming you speak for more then yourself?

They said our guilds would have their own leader boards, so I hope queuing as a guild will get you slotted for Stronghold, or else it just isn’t that different from queuing now with teams from your guild.

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

coglin.1867:

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

Um. You don’t need to play it to realize you want to be able to chose what you’re doing. Easy way to prove it, say you hit que and you could either end up in pvp or in a dungeon with 4 others and you had no say about it and was punished if you left, youd quickly realize why this is a bad idea. They are vastly different modes.

What path do you prefer using when doing a timed rush for the opponents lord?

What is the best comp on this map?

Why would you compare a mode in which your opponent is a player to that of the environment and NPCs, and expect that to be taken seriously?

Because you ignored my point just to be a smart kitten . They’re entirely different game modes where people will have timely preferences and don’t want to be forced to RNG their way into what they want to do.

I didn’t ignore your point. I simply pointed out how your point is very uninformed, due to a total lack of experience to make one.

By the way, who are the “people” you are claiming to speak for? Did they vote for you to represent them somewhere or are you being presumptuous in assuming you speak for more then yourself?

The “people” are the 91% who voted they’d rather them split, I guess you could say. And you say you are getting my point, but you’re not. It’d be like arena and BGs being on the same que in WoW. We’re informed ENOUGH to know that they cater to different play styles and one shouldn’t be forced if someone only wishes to do the other.

So the plan seems to add Stronghold to a random list? Personally I’m not interested in a pve based pvp match up that requires a completely different build and/or class than the other maps.
If it draws Stronghold I can imagine mass drop outs before the match even starts.
It’s so different, it needs a separate queue. Especially if it supposed to be for guild rankngs.

ronpierce.2760:

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

coglin.1867:

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

Um. You don’t need to play it to realize you want to be able to chose what you’re doing. Easy way to prove it, say you hit que and you could either end up in pvp or in a dungeon with 4 others and you had no say about it and was punished if you left, youd quickly realize why this is a bad idea. They are vastly different modes.

What path do you prefer using when doing a timed rush for the opponents lord?

What is the best comp on this map?

Why would you compare a mode in which your opponent is a player to that of the environment and NPCs, and expect that to be taken seriously?

Because you ignored my point just to be a smart kitten . They’re entirely different game modes where people will have timely preferences and don’t want to be forced to RNG their way into what they want to do.

I didn’t ignore your point. I simply pointed out how your point is very uninformed, due to a total lack of experience to make one.

By the way, who are the “people” you are claiming to speak for? Did they vote for you to represent them somewhere or are you being presumptuous in assuming you speak for more then yourself?

The “people” are the 91% who voted they’d rather them split, I guess you could say. And you say you are getting my point, but you’re not. It’d be like arena and BGs being on the same que in WoW. We’re informed ENOUGH to know that they cater to different play styles and one shouldn’t be forced if someone only wishes to do the other.

Your not forced. You get a vote at the map scree, and can leave at anytime.

Victory.2879:

So the plan seems to add Stronghold to a random list? Personally I’m not interested in a pve based pvp match up that requires a completely different build and/or class than the other maps.
If it draws Stronghold I can imagine mass drop outs before the match even starts.
It’s so different, it needs a separate queue. Especially if it supposed to be for guild rankngs.

That’s just it. Seems as though Strongholders don’t want to conquest. Conquesters don’t want to Stronghold. Best bet is to separate.

Need more “I will not conquest to Stronghold!” sigs imo. :P They’ll get the point. All is vain.

ronpierce.2760:

Need more “I will not conquest to Stronghold!” sigs imo. :P They’ll get the point. All is vain.

Here you go.

Great idea! Stats are a plus in any cause.

I voted yes along with 91% of all the other people.

I think Anet will eventually see sense and put it in its own queue before the expansion comes out. Just takes them sometime for common sense to kick in….

Same queue = not gonna play it.

sMihaly.1492:

Same queue = not gonna play it.

In fact i will ALT-F4 and cause a lot of 4vs5.

coglin.1867:

ronpierce.2760:

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

dancingmonkey.4902:

ronpierce.2760:

coglin.1867:

Where can I go play it right now to make an informed decision?

Everyone here appears entirely too intelligent to make complaint threads and uninformed…………………………………………………Wait, whats that? Its not even out yet? But this thread………………..

Um. You don’t need to play it to realize you want to be able to chose what you’re doing. Easy way to prove it, say you hit que and you could either end up in pvp or in a dungeon with 4 others and you had no say about it and was punished if you left, youd quickly realize why this is a bad idea. They are vastly different modes.

What path do you prefer using when doing a timed rush for the opponents lord?

What is the best comp on this map?

Why would you compare a mode in which your opponent is a player to that of the environment and NPCs, and expect that to be taken seriously?

Because you ignored my point just to be a smart kitten . They’re entirely different game modes where people will have timely preferences and don’t want to be forced to RNG their way into what they want to do.

I didn’t ignore your point. I simply pointed out how your point is very uninformed, due to a total lack of experience to make one.

By the way, who are the “people” you are claiming to speak for? Did they vote for you to represent them somewhere or are you being presumptuous in assuming you speak for more then yourself?

The “people” are the 91% who voted they’d rather them split, I guess you could say. And you say you are getting my point, but you’re not. It’d be like arena and BGs being on the same que in WoW. We’re informed ENOUGH to know that they cater to different play styles and one shouldn’t be forced if someone only wishes to do the other.

Your not forced. You get a vote at the map scree, and can leave at anytime.

You can vote from 3 random maps, most of the time stronghold won’t be one of them
You can’t leave a pvp match once it has started

I voted no by accident lol sorry xD

Jelzouki.4128:

I voted no by accident lol sorry xD

You ruined he whole poll! Ugh, start a new one!