Guild Wars 2

Stop complaining and start paying attention to which is the real mesmer…

Anytime I play on my mesmer against someone who knows the handful of signs as to which one is really me, they shut me down instantly. And anytime I play on my other classes against a mesmer, I can easily shut them down cause I know which one is really them. I feel that most of the people QQing on these forums are the tab targeters who mindlessly attack whatever their tab target lands on first. Mesmers don’t “hit hard”, my theif hits hard and has low survivability…. my mesmer just manages to get some hits in but has high survivability. Unfortunately there are a few things that give away which Mesmer is the real one, once you know this… almost any class can out DPS a mesmer.

This post isnt just about mesmers tho, I feel that there is too much complaining about class balance in this game. I feel that things are off to a great start although far from perfect for many classes (even the classes most often complained about still have bugs against them).

I think the biggest issue most people are having is that they are focusing on learning their class only and no other class…. then running to the forums when they can’t beat someone. Ironically the trick is that you need to learn the other classes to predict their game play. In sPvP any skilled player who knows the classes can shutdown the other no matter what class they play.

The only class I believe needs some work to catch up to the rest is maybe Necro or ele’s, the rest of the classes I have witnessed both skilled players and terrible players.

so, please, explain me how can i beat a mesmer shatter build and a mesmer tanky build? to add difficult, i say, tell me how to beat a mesmer, with a thief..
drumming

thx

Shukran.4851:

to add difficult, i say, tell me how to beat a mesmer, with a thief..
drumming

thx

Aesa.4819:

Shukran.4851:

to add difficult, i say, tell me how to beat a mesmer, with a thief..
drumming

thx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDErivMEME

first of all thank, im going to watch this right now, but it is published 31/july/2012 , when mesmer was still weak. i am not asking too much if i ask some mesmer player to tell me how to beat his class with a non-condition thief. i hope someone can answer me.

I’m shocked a thief needs to ask this. Just mark the Mesmer before he gets clones up. His clones also dont have off hand weapons or buff and debuff icons. Dodge or stealth if you see a phantasm animation. Then haste steal and spam pistol whip like every other thief.

i am shocked a mesmer cannot help a simple question. but maybe i asked to a mediocre mesmer , because the problem with mesmer is not only understand which is the real one, but dealing also with illusions. a decent mesmer has 2 break stuns, mirror images, and decoy/blink, i am unluckly specced as dps, meaning i have low armor. i have almost 1 remove conditions while mesmer can use staff and illusion shatters and kills. i am really sad about i asked maybe the wrong person. apologize

Dude I agree completely. When I fight someone who knows how to handle a mesmer, its pretty awful. A mesmer who is CCed, and targeted it even by one player is really not avle to do much. The only way a mesmer can do damage and kill is by having illusions up and DPSing on the slide.

Anet could very easily break mesmers by listening to some of these ridiculous complaints. Makes me mad, some of the classes that complain can do some outrageous things themselves. They just don’t like getting out played. I have seen.

Don’t even know why I’m responding with your attitude but let’s just say stun breaks don’t work on immobilize.

Cromx.3941:

Shukran.4851:

i am shocked a mesmer cannot help a simple question. but maybe i asked to a mediocre mesmer , because the problem with mesmer is not only understand which is the real one, but dealing also with illusions. a decent mesmer has 2 break stuns, mirror images, and decoy/blink, i am unluckly specced as dps, meaning i have low armor. i have almost 1 remove conditions while mesmer can use staff and illusion shatters and kills. i am really sad about i asked maybe the wrong person. apologize

Lawl….u list off every skill the mesmer has. Yeah if he loads all those stun breaks on his bar yeah…if he loaded all that on his bar the rest of the mesmer would suck. Its hilarious, you exagerate everything to the absrud and wnt to be taken seriously. Any decent mesmer would not load is bar up with only defensive escapes because he would be nigh useless for killing anything.

I stopped using decoy as I die anyways, still stay rooted or snared. Just invis for a few seconds. And I cant tell you how many classes seem immune to the stun that I have.

2 usually used utility on 3 is the build a mesmer has? impressive.
answering peacefully at a simple, polite question is too difficult you have to insult my intelligent? impressive
maybe if i try to write this question in the mesmer section i will be more lucky to find some good mesmer. right now seems i have met only 8v8 players on the forum.
i agree with decoy, but for a shatter mesmer could be a good breakstun.
a decent mesmer has all the thing he need with the weapons. utility are what the name says: utility. the build of a character is 99% on his weapons. but i think you already known, don’t you?
for the record i played mesmer in betas and in core, where i was one of the most passionated mesmer on the forum trying to make the class strong like others…but seems anet did things too good.
thanks anyway for the help.

Cromx.3941:

Well say somethign intelligent then. Honestly you are a typical complainer who is accusing a class of using every skill he has simultaneously, when there are real descions to be made on traits and skills to bring into PVP. If you want to be taken seriously play a mesmer become more familar with it then post.

Right now you are saying mesmers can do things they most certainly cannot do. Not all at once and not in one build. Why should the devs base their class balance on your erroneous information with an obvious bias and agenda?

maybe you didn’t read all my post. but w.e.
watch these 2 builds:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/en/?fgIQNAW8alwzipHVzoGadJh5D9+MDoHd0CIVQ1lPgbA;T0Ag0CnoqxUjoGbNuak1ssYYxBj9HPMA
http://gw2skills.net/editor/en/?fgIQNAW8alwzaqnVzoGa9ICqHXH49dkU0asWJFz2FC;T0Ag0CnoqxUjoGbNuak1ssY8x5j9HvPA
these are 2 common build used in tourneys. if you look carefully down you can see a great legend about the condition it can put. even if not specced condition damage all those conditions deals damage. if you add that shatter build do also shatter damage…then on the right, you can see utilities: oh god, there are 2 breakstuns in each build, maybe i am stupid. ok. and i am not saying mesmers are OP, i am just asking for help because i can’t win against them. too difficult or just being hater on forums makes you feel great? you can decide to not answer to a post if you think you are not enough good . noone force you to do that.

riassuming, i would love some mesmer could help me teaching or suggesting me how to beat a mesmer with a thief. a deep proof. anyone interested?

Why are you obsessing over stun breaks when you have immobilize?’

Sleaze.3748:

Why are you obsessing over stun breaks when you have immobilize?’

why don’t you just answer instead of being obsessed over immobilize?

To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.

Sleaze.3748:

I’m shocked a thief needs to ask this. Just mark the Mesmer before he gets clones up. His clones also dont have off hand weapons or buff and debuff icons. Dodge or stealth if you see a phantasm animation. Then haste steal and spam pistol whip like every other thief.

This is actually useful info (the part about the buff/condition bar).

The OP on the other hand just wasted everyone’s time by promising to tell us how to beat Mesmers…which he didn’t.

The video is still from Beta. Beta Weekend 2 I believe and thus isn’t up to date. It’s also terrible advice because it really doesn’t help or explain anything.

Aesa.4819:

To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.

thanks, it is a good start. maybe you can help me answering to: when u face a thief what is about him that worry you much?

Well I usually feel like this when playing my Mesmer, and this goes when facing all proffessions:
It’s a race, the opponent is trying to get me while I try to slip away. Each action the opponent take takes him closer to finding me with my pants down – and when he does I’m usually dead in an instant. The counter for a Mesmer (me) is to try and slip away from danger, while (semi-)slowly grinding my opponent down.
So I try to put as much distance from myself and the opponent/danger as possible, while the opponent tries to reach me and bring me down (which is very quickly if/when he does).
Usually, if I manage to stay away from danger long enough for my opponent to never really catch up I will win the situation. If the opponent is ripping through my defenses/veils too effectively/quickly I lose the situation and die.

TL;DR: See it like a chase, the opponent tries to catch the Mesmer and the Mesmer tries to get away. The faster you catch a Mesmer the quicker he’ll go down – while the slower you catch a Mesmer the more advantage he will have (and more probability of winning the fight).

Imobilize is what makes Theives feel OP. I have an easier time against thieves with my tanky Ele build than i do my mesmer :/

bullkitten im playing a mesmer my<self and theres no way to get me down with 2 invisibilty teleport and infinite illusion spam …

mesmer is over the top

it is funny meanwhile i clusterbomb removing 1/3illusion hp per clusterbomb used mesmer is alive, still capping, still doing whatver he wants and i am dieing to some random illusion attack.
it is more funny the fact i wasn’t crying but asking to some mature players to help me. maybe too much responsibility for someone who could just avoid the thread or the question. hf

Mesmer is a little over the top, yes. There are builds that make them virtually unkillable 1v1 and difficult 2v1. They are beatable, however.

I feel like the OP hasn’t ever fought a Mesmer and just plays one, since he says “just mark the real Mesmer”. That’s pretty ridiculous, since the real Mesmer is usually pretty easy to spot (i.e., they’re not standing still spamming the same ability) and they’ll just wipe the mark when they vanish.

Wtf i feel like you guys don’t play tournament at all. Immobilize doesnt stop a mesmer from dying. Sword 2 makes them invunerable for 3 seconds and they also have staff 2 which blinks them out of immobilize or stuns and is on a 8 second cd(these are not even their utilities). I played mesmers when i first started out on prerelease. It is a very easy class to play because you dont have to sacrifice defense for offense. Like Thieves, mesmers also have the great ability to reset the fight.

They’re a profession that i have never lost a 1v1 with, but at the same time its the hardest profession to fight against 1v1 with other proffs. With defensive skills on such low cds plus damage that doesn’t come from them which means they have a much easier time kiting.

I play a node holder engi atm, which are probably one of the better matchups against a mesmer, and i have to play nearly perfect, while the mesmer has to use barely any effort at all. The best advice i can give to fighting a mesmer is ask for help from a roamer to quickly dispatch the mesmer.

To the OP tell me how to counter portal instant repair on khylo, apparently i’m doing something wrong. Do i camp the treb? Do i put it at low health and then come back, to see that the mesmer has already set another portal? O wait i know, the only way is to use a mesmer myself and do the same strat. Overpowered game mechanics vs overpowered game mechanics works right? I could careless if they don’t nerf mesmers. But instant repairing trebs should not be in the game.

Shukran.4851:

Aesa.4819:

To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.

thanks, it is a good start. maybe you can help me answering to: when u face a thief what is about him that worry you much?

Hi there, depending on my build and cd’s I have, the opening burst is the worst, don’t use condition damage as null field removes them all, what I would suggest is to feint an open up from stealth just stun them but don’t blow all your cd,s just to panicky the Mesmer into using cd,s then restealth they may pop decoy stealth if so great that’s a cd used, then hit them again with your main burst, they may try to Mao morph watch for the long animation and evade like crazy, if he has a sword (one hander) watch out for the sword blur skill they evade everything and can deal quite a bit of dps. But my best advice is to pick on one that is preoccupied, we can get over stretched sometimes, if you see a Mesmer evade rolling around (usually on the outskirts of a control point) that’s the one you want, his illusions will be focused on something else then you can take him down very easily, that is usually when I get gibbed, when I am focused on someone else and then boom dead and the death screen reads 14k pistol whip.

Hope it helps, sorry if it doesnt.

Kryank.8069:

Shukran.4851:

Aesa.4819:

To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.

thanks, it is a good start. maybe you can help me answering to: when u face a thief what is about him that worry you much?

Hi there, depending on my build and cd’s I have, the opening burst is the worst, don’t use condition damage as null field removes them all, what I would suggest is to feint an open up from stealth just stun them but don’t blow all your cd,s just to panicky the Mesmer into using cd,s then restealth they may pop decoy stealth if so great that’s a cd used, then hit them again with your main burst, they may try to Mao morph watch for the long animation and evade like crazy, if he has a sword (one hander) watch out for the sword blur skill they evade everything and can deal quite a bit of dps. But my best advice is to pick on one that is preoccupied, we can get over stretched sometimes, if you see a Mesmer evade rolling around (usually on the outskirts of a control point) that’s the one you want, his illusions will be focused on something else then you can take him down very easily, that is usually when I get gibbed, when I am focused on someone else and then boom dead and the death screen reads 14k pistol whip.

Hope it helps, sorry if it doesnt.

ok i can try using 2 stealths in utility., but s/p thief dont go so easy in hide o.w

Kryank.8069:

Shukran.4851:

Aesa.4819:

To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.

thanks, it is a good start. maybe you can help me answering to: when u face a thief what is about him that worry you much?

Hi there, depending on my build and cd’s I have, the opening burst is the worst, don’t use condition damage as null field removes them all, what I would suggest is to feint an open up from stealth just stun them but don’t blow all your cd,s just to panicky the Mesmer into using cd,s then restealth they may pop decoy stealth if so great that’s a cd used, then hit them again with your main burst, they may try to Mao morph watch for the long animation and evade like crazy, if he has a sword (one hander) watch out for the sword blur skill they evade everything and can deal quite a bit of dps. But my best advice is to pick on one that is preoccupied, we can get over stretched sometimes, if you see a Mesmer evade rolling around (usually on the outskirts of a control point) that’s the one you want, his illusions will be focused on something else then you can take him down very easily, that is usually when I get gibbed, when I am focused on someone else and then boom dead and the death screen reads 14k pistol whip.

Hope it helps, sorry if it doesnt.

You don’t have to waste your big cds, you have too many small cds to use first. If you are 1v1ing that means your team is constantly telling you where the other players are. Moa can be casted while stealthed. If you see them roll then just cast cancel. They use all their endurance then you Moa. Thieves are at a big disadvantage against mesmers.

I don’t see thieves that overpowered, although the bug where they’re still stealthed and attacking you gets annoying. Thieves are outclassed very easily by many tanky builds ands professions. They have almost no chance of killing a decent guardian, engi, support ele, mesmers.

Shukran.4851:

Kryank.8069:

Shukran.4851:

Aesa.4819:

To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.

thanks, it is a good start. maybe you can help me answering to: when u face a thief what is about him that worry you much?

Hi there, depending on my build and cd’s I have, the opening burst is the worst, don’t use condition damage as null field removes them all, what I would suggest is to feint an open up from stealth just stun them but don’t blow all your cd,s just to panicky the Mesmer into using cd,s then restealth they may pop decoy stealth if so great that’s a cd used, then hit them again with your main burst, they may try to Mao morph watch for the long animation and evade like crazy, if he has a sword (one hander) watch out for the sword blur skill they evade everything and can deal quite a bit of dps. But my best advice is to pick on one that is preoccupied, we can get over stretched sometimes, if you see a Mesmer evade rolling around (usually on the outskirts of a control point) that’s the one you want, his illusions will be focused on something else then you can take him down very easily, that is usually when I get gibbed, when I am focused on someone else and then boom dead and the death screen reads 14k pistol whip.

Hope it helps, sorry if it doesnt.

ok i can try using 2 stealths in utility., but s/p thief dont go so easy in hide o.w

Also just a side note to all ranged, this happened in tpvp a lot recently ranged classes nearly killing themselves to reflection bubble (not usually rangers, but a dual pistol thief and an elementalist both did I last night) if you are using ranged attacks even in close quarters and you get a purple bubble round you. Stop or move out of it. I would like to think its common sense but I have started slotting this again in TPvP as it is amazing how any people still stand inside it using ranged skills.

The key to beating a Mesmer is LUCK, nothing more, if you get lucky to attack the real Memser you win, I can beat Mesmers with my Ranger but only if I’m Heal/Tank build and that’s because I can simple outlast the Memser but any other build or class it’s rally luck.

Warjin.8942:

The key to beating a Mesmer is LUCK, nothing more, if you get lucky to attack the real Memser you win.

No. Luck is ineffective against mesmers who are actually good and unreliable against the ones that aren’t. Learn how to fight them instead.

1) Kill phantasms. They’re responsible for a large amount of a mesmer’s damage output and are what allows a mesmer to play defensively while still hurting you. Phantasms are very weak and you should be able to 1 shot them without blowing your big cooldowns. AoE works especially well.
2) Don’t kill yourself on projectile reflection or confusion.
3) Learn to tell the mesmer apart from clones. It’s not hard, it just takes some practice. The best way to learn is to just play as a mesmer for a while to get used to what clones do. If its moving, it’s probably not a clone.
4) Learn to dodge/los/block moa, and be very glad the mesmer isn’t using time warp instead. You can still dodge roll if you get transformed (it just looks like you’re running faster), so unless you’re a minion master (sorry necros, that actually is unfair) you’re not automatically screwed.
5) When all the clones make a bee-line for you, that’s a shatter. Dodge roll, block, or the like.
6) Run away if you need to. Mesmers have a pretty limited ability to chase.

Don’t rush, don’t panic, and don’t get stupid. You have more control over the fight than you probably realize.

Effusion.4831:

Warjin.8942:

The key to beating a Mesmer is LUCK, nothing more, if you get lucky to attack the real Memser you win.

No. Luck is ineffective against mesmers who are actually good and unreliable against the ones that aren’t. Learn how to fight them instead.

1) Kill phantasms. They’re responsible for a large amount of a mesmer’s damage output and are what allows a mesmer to play defensively while still hurting you. Phantasms are very weak and you should be able to 1 shot them without blowing your big cooldowns. AoE works especially well.
2) Don’t kill yourself on projectile reflection or confusion.
3) Learn to tell the mesmer apart from clones. It’s not hard, it just takes some practice. The best way to learn is to just play as a mesmer for a while to get used to what clones do. If its moving, it’s probably not a clone.
4) Learn to dodge/los/block moa, and be very glad the mesmer isn’t using time warp instead. You can still dodge roll if you get transformed (it just looks like you’re running faster), so unless you’re a minion master (sorry necros, that actually is unfair) you’re not automatically screwed.
5) When all the clones make a bee-line for you, that’s a shatter. Dodge roll, block, or the like.
6) Run away if you need to. Mesmers have a pretty limited ability to chase.

Don’t rush, don’t panic, and don’t get stupid. You have more control over the fight than you probably realize.

So in order to kill a Mesmer effectively I need a game guide written by Prima game guides?

I have come to the conclusion that if you need a dealtiled list of instructions to kill a class then that class is overpowered, why don’t we need dealtiled list of instructions to kill any other class, why should we have to treat Mesmers like a raid boss with detailed strategies in order to kill them, why should we have to go on Tankspot.com to learn to kill a Mesmer?

You know what? I was wrong. Luck just may be your best bet.

For everyone else, knowing what your enemy can do and how to counter it is one of the best ways to improve in any pvp game. Mesmers are the class that will punish you the most for not knowing their tricks, but that also means you’ll gain an immense advantage by learning what they can do. Knowledge is power.

I agree with you Effusion, I wasn’t trying to be rude i’m sorry if i came off that way, I was just expressing that if one needs to know all this for one class then something is very off here, I can see if all the classes one faces would need such a drawn out plain of attack to counter them but that’s not that case as you pointed out, I really don’t think we or the hundreds of people would even be having this conversation if that was.

There is more then one way to have a overpowered class and a Mesmer isn’t overpowered in the sense of “bam” dead in 2 seconds (because that would be the Thief class and that’s another topic) but more so in way to complex to counter compared to other classes, the Mesmer requires waaaaaaay too much effort in comparison to other classes and because of this the Mesmer is overpowered.

I misunderstood, sorry for being snappy.

I do agree that something is wrong but I don’t think “overpowered” is the right word; we’re also talking about a major weakness of the class (one that I believe will become much more apparent with time). A mesmer’s effectiveness is largely in the hands of their opponent, meaning a poor mesmer can win a lot of fights they shouldn’t and a good mesmer is restricted by a relatively low skill cap. That’s just bad for everyone in the long run, and I believe it’s why some mesmers are complaining as well. As a mesmer I should be trying to outplay my opponent rather than being dependent upon my opponent not knowing how mesmers work.

A tiny smattering of attentiveness goes a long way. Calm down, don’t let the mesmer magic freak you out or confuse you. That’s what they want. Look for the one not firing a single auto-attack every five seconds. If that’s not enough then look for the one that’s actually moving and dodging instead of standing there like a mob with the worst AI ever. If that’s too difficult then I’m afraid you deserve to lose… sorry. Also… If you’re having trouble pinning a mesmer (or any class) down in melee? Swap to a ranged weapon set. Every class has at least one ranged option. And while I’m at it… the fact that you can’t CC someone flawlessly for an easy, cheap kill doesn’t mean it’s impossible to kill them.

gotta love it when mesmers start crying when spatial surge and moa doesn’t kill.

u can also ctrl target them,put a nice big target sign over the real memser’s head

Only thing that moves/jumps/uses skills/dodges/has off hand weopen in real mesmar.

You can find real one in 1-3 seconds without tag.

Before the fight(in middle of fight) you can tag the mesmar and he can only erase the tag every 40(32 traited) seconds if i remember numbers correct with stealth.
In that case look carefuly on screen and try to notice black shadow thing poping up after few seconds on screen with real mesmar in it.

If your still to newb to do/notice all those details just cast 1 aoe skill and all the clones will die. if its stronger aoe you can add phantasms to list and hava a free kill.

moa is little bit OP in 1v1 i think. i would go for reduce cooldown/duration in half.

Are you all insane?

Mesmer has hands down the best abilities in the game.

‘Blurred frenzy’ – 8 sec timer (6 sec traited), evade all attacks for 2-3 secs. The warriors shield block is on a 25 sec timer!!

Time warp – 10 sec aoe haste ..Sweet jesus!!! 10 sec haste?? aoe??? That’s just insane.

Moa bird – 10 sec stun with no way to purge??

It’s near impossible to stun/root a mesmer. Every other class is subject to cc, not the mesmer.

A half decent mesmer shouldn’t lose 1v1 ever, or 2v1. This is the point you know a class is unbalanced.

All i see in spvp matches are mesmers/thieves.

Thieves are still tough, but not that bad.

Mesmers…..running around with similar hps to melee classes, all the dps and 100x more utility.

when i asked suggestions i was thinking about khilo trabuchet where mesmers shine.
it is not about my lack of experience, it is about my frustration about countering that class in that small area. if mesmer is tanky, ok maybe i can focus on phantasms and maybe i will find the real one. but if shatterer, well every illusion i kill makes me suicide. GS or staff they both has great utility to make me waste time.
i am frustrated because a good mesmer can 1v2 for more than 40 secs, and even win if opponents are soft. as thief , mesmer is the only class i suffer, rest is just adapting. and no, i cannot spam all the time clusterbomb because: a) phantasm are traited with more hp meaning they resist about 3 clusterbomb b) the time i spend killing them mesmer has stunned+blurred+shattered or moa’ed or kicked me.
probably in betas we were all trying only 8v8 and yelled for balancing mesmer (he was up) in 8v8, while the game is 5v5.
try to kill a 1guardian 3 mesmer 1 dps in tourney and watch your team scream and die.
that’s why i try to improve learning from mesmer’s weakneses (and really a good mesmer has none)

phaeris.7604:

Are you all insane?

Mesmer has hands down the best abilities in the game.

‘Blurred frenzy’ – 8 sec timer (6 sec traited), evade all attacks for 2-3 secs. The warriors shield block is on a 25 sec timer!!

It`s 10 sec (8 if traited).

phaeris.7604:

Time warp – 10 sec aoe haste ..Sweet jesus!!! 10 sec haste?? aoe??? That’s just insane.

With very small area and long cd. Only few Mesmers use this.

phaeris.7604:

Moa bird – 10 sec stun with no way to purge??

Moa bird is not stun. You can easily run away and dodge while transformed.

phaeris.7604:

It’s near impossible to stun/root a mesmer. Every other class is subject to cc, not the mesmer.

It`s even more easy to stun/root/immobilize/whatever Mesmer than other class, like Warrior with Stability.

phaeris.7604:

A half decent mesmer shouldn’t lose 1v1 ever, or 2v1. This is the point you know a class is unbalanced.

Against good player who knows how to play his class, 1vs1 can be extremely challenging and one single mistake can result in loosing match.
1vs2 good players = you are dead.

phaeris.7604:

All i see in spvp matches are mesmers/thieves.

I see all classes. Yes, there are times when I have like 3-4 Thieves in grp or 2-3 Mesmers, but that doesn`t happened every day.

phaeris.7604:

Thieves are still tough, but not that bad.

Not bad? If you don/t have Staff in your hands and Blink is on cd, good Thief will kill you in 3-4 sec. So, yea, I agree, not bad at all.

phaeris.7604:

Mesmers…..running around with similar hps to melee classes, all the dps and 100x more utility.

Which build is that? If you have a lot of hp, your DPS suck. If you have high DPS, you die fast. And what “100x more utility” you are talking about?

The info does not help whatsoever. I used to main Mesmer and I ran a tanky shatter build. Play an engineer node defender. Out of any profession I probably have one of the better match ups other than thieves. I was dueling my friend on his Mesmer s,p/gs. Dueled him about 50 times I beat him probably twice. I tried destroying phantasms, but my condition build doesn’t let me destroy them In a timely manner. Phantasms are spread out because duelist and berserk er have different attack ranges. I can’t shoot through the massive amounts of clones even though I can spot the real one within .4 secs. I’m stunned and the illusions are shattered on me. While every so often being confused. If matters are not worse I’m slowly being worn down by bleeds by clones.

My friend is definitely a good Mesmer, but this is the only match up I can’t beat without luck or support. I’m also being shattered for 7k even though he’s hybrid through my 1800 toughness. The conclusion I’ve come to is that the only way to beat a Mesmer is to literally gib them with massive amounts of damage while avoiding most of it. That class is probably thieves.

I have recently actually found my necro is able to beat mesmer 3-4/10. Assuming they don’t have moa

Kiirin.3418:

The info does not help whatsoever. I used to main Mesmer and I ran a tanky shatter build. Play an engineer node defender. Out of any profession I probably have one of the better match ups other than thieves. I was dueling my friend on his Mesmer s,p/gs. Dueled him about 50 times I beat him probably twice. I tried destroying phantasms, but my condition build doesn’t let me destroy them In a timely manner. Phantasms are spread out because duelist and berserk er have different attack ranges. I can’t shoot through the massive amounts of clones even though I can spot the real one within .4 secs. I’m stunned and the illusions are shattered on me. While every so often being confused. If matters are not worse I’m slowly being worn down by bleeds by clones.

My friend is definitely a good Mesmer, but this is the only match up I can’t beat without luck or support. I’m also being shattered for 7k even though he’s hybrid through my 1800 toughness. The conclusion I’ve come to is that the only way to beat a Mesmer is to literally gib them with massive amounts of damage while avoiding most of it. That class is probably thieves.

I have recently actually found my necro is able to beat mesmer 3-4/10. Assuming they don’t have moa

a usual fight against mesmer:
infiltrator’s->pistol whip
mesmer use #2 staff ->i lost initiative
steal->pistol whip
mesmer use blink -> i lost initiative
chase+pistol whip or infiltrator’s x2+pistol whip
mesmer use mirror images→i have no more initiative

meanwhile i am sorrounded by illusions, prolly #5 staff, about 2-4 conditions on me. if i am lucky enough mesmer is on 50%hp. stun->healing->flurry->gg

Sleaze.3748:

I’m shocked a thief needs to ask this. Just mark the Mesmer before he gets clones up. His clones also dont have off hand weapons or buff and debuff icons. Dodge or stealth if you see a phantasm animation. Then haste steal and spam pistol whip like every other thief.

Blink?

You won’t beat a skilled mesmer as a thief. I know, I play both, and I’m not dying to a thief as a mesmer (ever) unless he attacks me while I’m fighting 2 other people and all my stuff is on CD.

You’re best shot is if you take the dagger AOE elite but :

1) That means you get to fight a mesmer once every 3 minutes.
2) They can just run away/LOS and then you’re SOL.
3) They could always moa you and you’re screwed.

Mesmers have blinds, gap creators, dazes galore and can build tanky and still output plenty of damage. They have plenty of tools to deal with any thief.

How to beat mesmer as a thief:

Step 1: Make sure you have some toughness and you aren’t a complete glass cannon noob. Valkyries amulet is a great choice.
Step 2: Equip Shortbow and make sure you have signet of malice equipped.
Step 3: Spam 2
Step 4: Laugh maniacally as you watch the mesmer flailing around helplessly getting his clones/phantasms insta killed as they spawn while you heal for an absurd amount whenever he spawns them.

ill kill this whole topic in 1 post…

if it was REALLY easy to stop a mezmer (or thief) then 80% of the players in every random match would not be comprised of said 2 classes.

theres a reason everyone is a mezmer and a thief

The key to winning? Stop clicking and key turning a learn to identify the real Mesmer. My 14 yr old bro 1v1 can easily tell which one is me on his warrior. No excuse. Players just wanna complain when things don’t go their way. With many different build and gear options, you’re going to come across one or two that owns you. It happens. I’ve been 2 shot by thieves and warriors but you don’t see me QQing on forums asking for a nerf.
It’s cool that you guys are showing how to beat em. But honestly if people just actually practiced and learned, theyd have less problems with any particular class

Let me just say it, Mesmer is a class that is fill with counters(as anet officially stated). We have a lot of utility to counter certain stuff. Lot of players don’t take time to understand a mesmer but most good mesmer take time to understand themselves and their opponent. If you act and play like what standard guide teach you to play as(spoon feeding), you will and should lose to a mesmer. When going against a mesmer learn their playstyle, understand their combo and skill and bait the mesmer to use some of their abilities and finished them off when you have an opening.

Shukran what i read about you playing your thief is like what a glass cannon noob plays. I have a mesmer and a thief, i pawn mesmer on my thief with my condition X crit build that utilize a lot of healing. What you do is practically predictable and counterable, lock and spam that what i see in your skill set(typical spammer).

Mesmers spend way too long in stealth especially when they have a bunch of illusions around. Isn’t that just overkill? I spend half the time waiting for the mesmer to come out of stealth.

Avoid the deadly illusion shatter. Best strat, run away

We must have played different Mesmers. Trying a Mesmer after Ele was godkittenluxurious. Its downright farkin’ relaxing in comparison. Even if someone does spot the real me, so what? The Mesmer’s tool bag doesn’t magically close because someone figured out the trick.

My favorite part about these Mesmer threads? This line shows up a few times per page:

“Mesmers are really easy to beat. WE <—- can be easily beaten if YOU <—- ….blah blah blah”

The only people in these threads that say Mesmers are not difficult to counter are ALWAYS mesmers lol…..however, you see many examples of people who play mesmers fulltime that immediately acknowledge the glaring imbalance.

phaeris.7604:

evade all attacks for 2-3 secs.

Kiirin.3418:

Sword 2 makes them invunerable for 3 seconds

It’s 2 seconds, TWO. This is like the 1312435151515th time I’ve seen people say 3. Big difference. 2 seconds of invulnerability in every 12 second interval, provided you spam it on recharge.

phaeris.7604:

Time warp – 10 sec aoe haste ..Sweet jesus!!! 10 sec haste?? aoe??? That’s just insane.

Great skill but usually wasted. Ironically mesmer is one of the worst quickness users.

Moa bird – 10 sec stun with no way to purge??

Moa is lame.

It’s near impossible to stun/root a mesmer. Every other class is subject to cc, not the mesmer.

Bullkitten. Mesmers spend their utility slots on stun breakers because you’re dead in seconds if you fail to break every stun or immobilize (and stun breakers don’t get you out of immobilize). Other classes have just as many stun breakers as mesmers but they don’t slot them then they cry how mesmer has more stun breaks than them.

Then a lot of other classes have good access to stability that mesmer doesn’t.
Warrior also has “movement skills break immobilize” trait.
Mesmer also doesn’t have much against cripple or chilled.

phaeris.7604:

A half decent mesmer shouldn’t lose 1v1 ever, or 2v1. This is the point you know a class is unbalanced.

2v1? I got killed a million times in 2v1 in seconds. I’m fighting 1v1 then when I have a lot of things on cooldown I get dropped by incoming thief in 2 sec. Steal alone hits me for 4k.

phaeris.7604:

Mesmers…..running around with similar hps to melee classes, all the dps and 100x more utility.

Mesmers have medium HP (base HP is 15k if I’m not mistaken). Mesmers have no utility, since they spend utility slots on self-survival in form of stun-breakers and invises.