Guild Wars 2

I was used to the old thief meta:

-Squishy but able to trade with other zerks
-Support role to terminate/debuffs other targets, while going in/out from combat.

Atm the meta is both more tanky and dangerous, and u could die faster than before…
… so here’s the question:

how you ( thieves maybe ) deal with other classes now?
what do you consider your roles to be?
playing a nonthief class, what’s atm hard for you against them?

Run as fast as possible…
Furthermore try to learn the new animation, what you should dodge, when to kite (reaper), try stuff, think about reroll or pray to god for changes in favor of thieves.

You’d probably have quicker and better (lol who am I kidding?) results if you post this on the actual thief sub forum. But here’s a tiny bit of advice now that made me a better skirmisher, use utilities as tools, not trump cards. In other words, it’s very easy to save utilities for when you really need them. That’s understandable and relatable, but the situations aren’t always going to present themselves. Instead of waiting until your CC’d to use Shadowstep reactively, try using it proactively- while kitting with shortbow or pistols shadowstep to the far opposite side of your opponent to throw them off. Then time it takes for them to relocate you on screen you’d done a nice amount of damage and possibly even set yourself up to better avoid that incoming CC you were saving that shadowstep for originally.

I wouldn’t recommend bringing into pvp with all the cleave now, but instead of saving shadow refuge as a battle ender/retreat, try using it to help you get a strong opener and then keep up subsequent pressure. The list goes on.

Simple but very effective advice: reroll.

First tip? If your pre-HoT build isn’t working, change it.

For instance, I’m enjoying a P/P daredevil. Super effective in 1v1s and can actually team fight because he doesn’t need to be in the middle of the action. If the enemy focuses you, a ton of mobility and stealth are at my disposal to give them the finger.

Second tip? Learn animations. The elites are literally a kaleidoscope of lights, so it’ll be a task if you’re a newbie.

Third tip? Re-roll if you can’t find anything effective. Thief, unlike the rest of the classes, promotes super fast reflexes and decision making (in relation to the game, pls no moba e-sports examples).

thief is generally just to decap. if you can watch minimap a lot and have good premade friends to play with, then you will be fine. that’s it. There is no tip neeeded for thiefs.

online.1278:

thief is generally just to decap. if you can watch minimap a lot and have good premade friends to play with, then you will be fine. that’s it. There is no tip neeeded for thiefs.

Agree.

Thief is most about premades and teamwork ( u need to be skilled, ofc, but playing in pug with wanderers is near to impossible ).

Before was hard too playing into a pug, but now is even harder.

edit: the fact is that, atm, playing for fun is not allowed. Im going to see tournaments to see how a pro team plays ( if they do ) a thief… but still, so frustrating.

online.1278:

thief is generally just to decap. if you can watch minimap a lot and have good premade friends to play with, then you will be fine. that’s it. There is no tip neeeded for thiefs.

decap role died when every class and their mother got moblity with sustain and high dmg

speed, lots and lots of speed, I run daredevil with perma swiftness, sigil of energy. double pistol and staff. 2 stealth atleast. And one stunbreacker. Basically don’t get hit.

When in a skirmish at mid. Try to timer the moment you go melee. cause there is a lot of pbAOE at the moment. Investing into ranged damage is not a bad idea. granted your dps drops. but better to stay alive for more then 2 secs then go into the fray and get nuked.

P/P+staff is an OK build at best. Thief, more than any other class, suffers from bringing to main weapons (if you can center a serious build around it, its a main weapon) on one build because of initiative restraints.

Reroll.

Anything but D/P decap pretty much has no chance against competent players, and that’s extremely difficult with the mobility granted to everyone else via their elite specs.

There’s too much AOE burst and mitigation/invuln right now to really play the class effectively in the current meta.

Um, I’ve been having some success with a soldier thief build taking advantage of Daredevil Runes. They pair well with either Staff or D/P (along with pulmonary impact).

Just use Vault and you are fine

Screenshot is from marauder mesmer (21,5k Health) with no debuffs …
from 100% Health → direct downstate in under 1 second

GG Anet on completly being sadist and promoting oneshotting people

when will there ever be an ingame report option to report such completly overpowered stuff :-(

Maja.6372:

Just use Vault and you are fine

Screenshot is from marauder mesmer (21,5k Health) with no debuffs …
from 100% Health -> direct downstate in under 1 second

GG Anet on completly being sadist and promoting oneshotting people

when will there ever be an ingame report option to report such completly overpowered stuff :-(

Let’s see you’re taking over 7k damage from a skill that normally only crits for 3-4k I think there’s a problem with your build having a lack of toughness. Add to the fact that bound is ridiculously easy to dodge, I’d call that l2p issue. Don’t run full zerker if you don’t have the twitch reflexes for it.

Maja.6372:

Just use Vault and you are fine

Screenshot is from marauder mesmer (21,5k Health) with no debuffs …
from 100% Health -> direct downstate in under 1 second

GG Anet on completly being sadist and promoting oneshotting people

when will there ever be an ingame report option to report such completly overpowered stuff :-(

i crit around 7k max with vault vs other glass people. not sure how you are getting hits for 13k. also why is there no evades in your combat log, is this a joke lol?

Maybe WvW stats.

Damage seems too high…

Shirlias.8104:

Maybe WvW stats.

Damage seems too high…

This.

souldnt it say xx gold invader(example), that white markings are too short to be a wvw rank.

Issue is, even if he went zerk with DA/CS/DD with assassin’s signet, it still wouldn’t make sense for it to hit that high. Either WvWvW or he ran into a match naked.

Thief tips: Run!

(You’re good at that)

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Maja.6372:

Just use Vault and you are fine

Screenshot is from marauder mesmer (21,5k Health) with no debuffs …
from 100% Health -> direct downstate in under 1 second

GG Anet on completly being sadist and promoting oneshotting people

when will there ever be an ingame report option to report such completly overpowered stuff :-(

i crit around 7k max with vault vs other glass people. not sure how you are getting hits for 13k. also why is there no evades in your combat log, is this a joke lol?

unfortunately it was not possible to evade it cause of instant downstate
and no that was not in WvW it was in sPvP running middle after taking Tranquility
like I wrote I am running marauder amulet so no extra toughness sure
maybe the thief had might stacks but still the dmg is unreal no idea what anet is thinking

but to get back on topic
there still should be the old roles for thief
fast decapping of empty points
and turning the tide via dealing high burst dmg in group fights

So Thief isn’t allowed to one shot…but you can on your Mesmer? Can you clarify the problem? I can count on one hand the amount of times a Thief/Daredevil has one shot me, and from Mesmer I need to take out a ledger with a tiny pin. You confuse me.

dont think i have been hit that hard by a theif in pvp ever,nor have i reached anywhere close to it.

Maja.6372:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Maja.6372:

Just use Vault and you are fine

Screenshot is from marauder mesmer (21,5k Health) with no debuffs …
from 100% Health -> direct downstate in under 1 second

GG Anet on completly being sadist and promoting oneshotting people

when will there ever be an ingame report option to report such completly overpowered stuff :-(

i crit around 7k max with vault vs other glass people. not sure how you are getting hits for 13k. also why is there no evades in your combat log, is this a joke lol?

unfortunately it was not possible to evade it cause of instant downstate
and no that was not in WvW it was in sPvP running middle after taking Tranquility
like I wrote I am running marauder amulet so no extra toughness sure
maybe the thief had might stacks but still the dmg is unreal no idea what anet is thinking

but to get back on topic
there still should be the old roles for thief
fast decapping of empty points
and turning the tide via dealing high burst dmg in group fights

fighting with no armor equipped and/or running ful dmg stats and having vulnerability +some thief who got a lot of might stacked (revenant buddy maybe)
then dont dodge/just walk out of it/invuln not 1 but 2 very highlited and relatively slow skills (which will cost the thief every almost any initiative he has) is surely some issue with thief damages
xD

also i have never seen a thief dealing this much dmg to me or anyone in my team in over 1k games

www.twitch.tv/narcarsis

Caed has a pair of solid builds on his twitch and a bunch of gameplay. I saw him in a tournament recently and that staff is niceee. thief I’d unforgiving, but can be very strong if you play it well.

choovanski.5462:

www.twitch.tv/narcarsis

Caed has a pair of solid builds on his twitch and a bunch of gameplay. I saw him in a tournament recently and that staff is niceee. thief I’d unforgiving, but can be very strong if you play it well.

watched that, saw thief camping downstate, turned off

While waiting for some balance ( or at least to gather a full premade ), i was trying a d/d condition build.

It’s fun but lacks both skill and interrupts ( headshot its like a must to me ).
Also im using only 1 breakstun ( shadowstep, signet of agility and Caltrops. Poison as elite ).

Using rabid amulet ( maybe wanderer would be fine too ).
d/d ( tormenting + earth ) sb ( energy + doom )
Runes of the Krait ( thinking about Lyssa ).

As traits, DD, Trickery and Deadly Arts.

Suggestions ( i was thinking about Acrobatic over Deadly Arts )?