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Posted by: Potato.2567

Potato.2567

Hi frands this is Teef Teef Teef Teef #3 Thief NA 2014!

Thief has too many dodges!

I main Thief and even I can see, Thief is overpowered because now you can play Staff or DP Thief and have more evades than 2014 SD Thief!
Make it so that physical skills restore less endurance, and nerf Signet of Agility to only give 1 dodge! To compensate, reduce the cooldown of Signet of Agility and increase Backstab damage by 3%!

When I’m playing Thief and I can stand on point for longer than an Engi just by perma-evading, there’s a problem! Nerfing Evades while increasing damage leaves Thief with a similar level of power in what it’s supposed to do (Gank!), but makes it much less frustrating to face and gives counterplay options other than trying to hit them in between random dodges!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

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Posted by: Zietlogik.6208

Zietlogik.6208

Reducing the amount of endurance gained by SoA to 1 bar or 50% (1 1/2 bar for Daredevil specced, and 1 bar for core) would be sufficient I think.

It is much more prevalent on D/D condi thieves as well

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Posted by: Emdrix.6124

Emdrix.6124

Comparing the current thief to old S/D makes no sense. Every other class sustain got buffed aswell with the introduction of HoT. Pre patch HoT Mesmer/guard didnnt have that many blocks etcc so that’s why they had to buff to the thief aswell

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Posted by: BeepBoopBop.5403

BeepBoopBop.5403

Nah. The only thing that needs tweaking IMO is Staff 3. Evade, immob break AND 3-4k crits? Not to mention hiding the animation with staff 3 and simultaneous jump. Nerf damage by 25-50%. It should be a defensive skill, not offensive.

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Posted by: Hot Boy.7138

Hot Boy.7138

I agree about the dodges, but I don’t think it should be nerfed.

Because really, how will they survive without it?

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Posted by: Prince Vingador.8067

Prince Vingador.8067

Nerf dodges?
I think they need more actually, because 99 percent of the time when i get a thief in my games hes perma down.

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Posted by: xeonage.1253

xeonage.1253

defensive is defensive!
offensive is offensive!
gw2 pvp = defensive+offensive all the time!!! come on~ let’s spam!!!!

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Posted by: HeadCrowned.6834

HeadCrowned.6834

Definately applicable to the hideous condi thieves. Although they aren’t played often, they are just broken.

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Posted by: Razor.9872

Razor.9872

To be fair, the moment a thief stops evading they just melt/blow-up.

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Posted by: Daishi.6027

Daishi.6027

But as long as they are evading there is little way to pressure them, and it’s to easy for them to escape to regain ini, unlike everything else that realistically runs out of resources and gets screwed, any thief who knows how to manage ini will never truely run out in a bad position, and can always keep pressure with no risk.

It’s fine that they can evade a ton, but there has to be some risk that isn’t negated by “my ini getting low? K bai!… K I’m back, and can keep going!” within a few moments. At the very least, this gives an objective advantage against anything with limited or restrictive cooldowns, and anything that needs to setup burst.

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Posted by: Aeolus.3615

Aeolus.3615

designed to survive pve HoT maps and all aoe spam compesation… that is when u design pve classes for pvp and dont balance pvp.

Actually its the pve that needs to be fixed so pvp gets better. lel

1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

Supreme.3164

Definately applicable to the hideous condi thieves. Although they aren’t played often, they are just broken.

Not played often? O_O….there is a condi thief 3 matches out of 5, they all play the same..rush far/spam dodge/bleeding=profit

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

But as long as they are evading there is little way to pressure them, and it’s to easy for them to escape to regain ini, unlike everything else that realistically runs out of resources and gets screwed, any thief who knows how to manage ini will never truely run out in a bad position, and can always keep pressure with no risk.

It’s fine that they can evade a ton, but there has to be some risk that isn’t negated by “my ini getting low? K bai!… K I’m back, and can keep going!” within a few moments. At the very least, this gives an objective advantage against anything with limited or restrictive cooldowns, and anything that needs to setup burst.

1. you obviously don’t play a thief otherwise you wouldn’t post this nonsense
2. so to make thief work player needs to be good, but it is ok that to make other classes work player doesn’t even need to be good…. so the thief should be nerfed? That logic.

Definately applicable to the hideous condi thieves. Although they aren’t played often, they are just broken.

Not played often? O_O….there is a condi thief 3 matches out of 5, they all play the same..rush far/spam dodge/bleeding=profit

lol i have seen only 1 condi thief in plat and it is always same player

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Posted by: HeadCrowned.6834

HeadCrowned.6834

Definately applicable to the hideous condi thieves. Although they aren’t played often, they are just broken.

Not played often? O_O….there is a condi thief 3 matches out of 5, they all play the same..rush far/spam dodge/bleeding=profit

I think I have only seen 1 or 2 this season. Maybe they appear more often on American servers or in lower divisions. Probably the last.

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Posted by: Azure The Heartless.3261

Azure The Heartless.3261

I’d be fine with dodging less if..yknow.. I could take a hit

Of course, pressing 3,3,3,3 should not get you damage output AND invul, but I dont think anything else needs to be touched regarding that unless we also get a boost in vitality.

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Posted by: BloodriverTim.2031

BloodriverTim.2031

Definately applicable to the hideous condi thieves. Although they aren’t played often, they are just broken.

Not played often? O_O….there is a condi thief 3 matches out of 5, they all play the same..rush far/spam dodge/bleeding=profit

I think I have only seen 1 or 2 this season. Maybe they appear more often on American servers or in lower divisions. Probably the last.

They are so easy to just ignore though… Taking the condi dodge over the movement dodge removes so much of their mobility. Don’t fight them off point, and they do nothing all game.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

No they do not.

The people making this observation do not seem to understand just what the INI system does when it comes to a thiefs defense.

When one is playing any other class there are very defined skills on a given weaponset that act so as to provide defense. Generally these skills are seperate from the skills from which they do damage , albeit not always. In other words when they need a defensive skill they tend to have one available as they would not generally have used one up when it was not needed.

In addition to this they do have their own dodges and a myriad of passive traits. Added to that they generally have a higher hit point pool and armor so as to absorb those hits that get through.

With the INI pool there no such thing as defensive INI and offensive INI. When a thief uses up INI by using a particular weapon skill so as to do damage they eat away at the same pool that will provide defenses from that weapon set. Swapping a weaponset to get at a defensive skill will very often not work because they will lack the ini to use that skill.

An Ele or engineer that swaps attunements for a new kit for defense or new attunement for the same is not restricted by an ini pool from using those new skills.

As such the thief will use more in the way of dodges and or use those duel use skills that provide both a dodge and inflict damage for the same INI. Not only is this a reason a thief needs to dodge more, it also a reason the AA was boosted for damage.

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Posted by: HeadCrowned.6834

HeadCrowned.6834

Definately applicable to the hideous condi thieves. Although they aren’t played often, they are just broken.

Not played often? O_O….there is a condi thief 3 matches out of 5, they all play the same..rush far/spam dodge/bleeding=profit

I think I have only seen 1 or 2 this season. Maybe they appear more often on American servers or in lower divisions. Probably the last.

They are so easy to just ignore though… Taking the condi dodge over the movement dodge removes so much of their mobility. Don’t fight them off point, and they do nothing all game.

I don’t say they are good or useful or anything. They basically can only 1v1 and have less mobility than regular thief. But when you 1v1 them it becomes a framerate battle rather than a normal battle. That’s the broken thing, not overpoweredness or anything like that.

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Posted by: Lettuce.2945

Lettuce.2945

This is going to be such a cliche response but it’s especially true in OP’s case. You took a break from gw2 for two years. You just got back a few days ago. This is truly a l2p issue. Learn the frames and re learn the game before jumping to dumb conclusions because the game is very different from how it was in 2014. /facepalm.

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Posted by: Kirochique.9186

Kirochique.9186

I think dagger 3 needs weakness and vulnerability. And maybe give thief 1 more dodge bar

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