Guild Wars 2

ELEorAFK.7935:

not the game did dmg for him, the stupid ele crushing 3 spirits while standing in all of them did dmg for him, do u finally realize it?

If the game wasn’t conquest, waiting for the spirits to die off would be more viable. As long as it is conquest, waiting for the spirits to die is just a waste of time—similar to fighting against a necro going into plague form. The point is that no class should be able to do so much while being disabled so to speak.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

ELEorAFK.7935:

not the game did dmg for him, the stupid ele crushing 3 spirits while standing in all of them did dmg for him, do u finally realize it?

If the game wasn’t conquest, waiting for the spirits to die off would be more viable. As long as it is conquest, waiting for the spirits to die is just a waste of time—similar to fighting against a necro going into plague form. The point is that no class should be able to do so much while being disabled so to speak.

But this moment he was standing in all three spirits off point while perfectly able to move out of their areas. There was no reason that he couldn’t have moved out of their activation radius.
Even if he was on point, he can simply evade. The animations for all the spirits are extremely obvious and predictable.

Ostricheggs.3742:

And in the video it’s not hard to understand what happened from my perspective. I was using a valks amulet, found an opportuntiy to chain CC a ranger into a fire burst (hopefully without a forge rune proc), took it and died.

Our resident 2 gud ele says that I blew an air burst into a protection, but he seems to ignore that it was a sun spirit proc from the THREE hits he got before he got CC’d. He also points out I used ether renewal at 90%. I did, because I was crippled and about to head to sky-hammer because we were losing because of it and had no intention of fighting a ranger. It’s on such a short CD that I don’t see how that’s even considered a mistake by you, it’s rather nit-picky. I “wasted” two dodges while crippled (hoping to wear down the duration of it without looking at it) on a class that uses energy sigils and has perma vigor. Furthermore I was using a kittening valks ammy and didn’t expect to have a lynx and dead storm spirit proc kill me in an instant.’ The ONE proc of storm spirit on death would not have killed me. What killed me was his lynx and the burning applied by his THREE hits in addition to the storm spirit.

Almost all of valor’s criticism has absolutely nothing to do with the video and is just pointing out what he thinks are mistakes without taking them into context. Also, almost all of the mistakes you pointed out are not mistakes. You need to seriously need to chill and quit coming into threads rubbing your kitten without even considering the implications of the video or reasoning behind every simple action in what happens to be a 25 second clip of actual gameplay…

This is an extremely good explanation of what you were thinking in the video and why you did what you did. Thanks! I wish we had more commentary and explanation like this. Maybe then I wouldn’t suck so bad.

edit: ok, it probably wouldn’t help me. But I like hearing it.

VALAR cannot be controlled in forums or in the game. He is valar……nuff said

ELEorAFK.7935:

wow.

1. u dont try to “chain CC” full hp spirit rangers with 3 spirits up, when u burst alone.
– because u know about the protection, because u cant oneshot him anyways, because its too risky to jump into 3 spirits in a that small area, because when eles do huges bursts, they usually waste alot of defensive cooldowns too.

2. u cast ur heal, u are on 0 energy, u are running straight into a ranger with 3 spirits up and u dont even blind him or anything, i mean if 1 build is kitten strong already, i dont try to faceroll it with a kitten not so strong build, especially in the matchup itself.

3. the thing with the perma vigor and energy sigil made me laugh hard.
– u waste ur 2 dodges in the beginning, and after it, ur energy goes from 0 – 100 without u even thinking about dodging anything the ranger does.
especially when u are playing with energy sigils + the vigor trait + evasive arcane, u HAVE to dodge, otherwise u are also just wasting ur resources (air dodge for example is pretty good against spirits, justsayin)

4. dont really care which skills killed u in the end, that u didnt expect it to happen says alot about how much knowledge u achieved on both those classes. and since u die instant, u ate alot more spirits, but its not shown in the death breakdown since u were invul.

5. the mistakes are no mistakes part is funny too

6. im surely not the one who needs to chill down, i guess ppl respect players like u on na atleast, and they listen to ur opinion, when u are posting a video in which u fail hardcore and blame the game for it, i feel like someone gotta tell u that u talk kitten.

7. context? what? u are crying about spirit ranger and how easy it is to play effectively, but u dont even try in the slightest to play right against them. this game is full of things that instantly kill u on a walk ele and on any other glassy build too and u have learned to play against it (bs thief, phantasms, shatter mes, power nec, even staff ele……………and so much more) so can u already stop crying and l2p? its pathetic that u find no solution to handle AI even as a 12k hp ele (can give u a hint, just run away and call ur friends eq+tp him and hes oneshot).

8. can give u elementalist lessons, 10g/hour.

valar ~~

I do believe that you simply ignored my entire post and reposted what you claimed previously and missed the entire point of the video, AGAIN.

The worst part is it’s like you never watched the video. You have no idea what killed me. It wasn’t the spirits. The storm spirit finished me off. It was the pet, the 3 hits and the spirit. I died to exactly what is said I died to because I rewatched the kittening video like a sane human being would instead of just kittening arguing over unsupported evidence like you are.

You don’t understand one of the most basic concepts in the game (that dodging makes you move at a pace faster than walking while crippled) and point out me using ether renewal and my dodges as a mistake. Using both WAS a mistake and I should have just popped ether. You TOTALLY missed the context of the video and the fact that the ranger came out of nowhere and the reasonign why I “wasted” my dodges.

You claim that I should have “blinded him” while ignoring that he got THREE kittenING HITS off on me. THREE.

You insinuate that by chaing CCing the ele the entire kittening time I am wasting “defensive” cooldowns. You ignore that he got THREE kittenING HITS OFF ON me. !!!!!!!THREE kittenING HITS!!!!!

You claim that I must “use air dodge” when the ENTIRE kittenING POINT was to CC the ranger to death because he didn’t have shared anguish on and ate my earthquake.

You’re insane nit-picking about my ele play TOTALLY ignores what occurred in the video and the entire point of the video.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW I AM NOT A PERFECT ELE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW THAT I CAN BEAT RANGERS AND I KNOW HOW TO BEAT THEM!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE VIDEO IS TO SHOW HOW SIMPLE MISTAKES MADE BY A PLAYER PLAYING BETTER THAN ANOTHER CAN MAKE THE GOOD PLAYER LOSE THE FIGHT BECAUSE THE WORSE PLAYER IS PLAYING AN EASY CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anything, you need to l2comprehend context and basic points. I understand english is not your first language, but for the love of god please just kittening stop trying to kitten in a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with you.

JESUS kittenING CHRIST I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE GOOD AT THIS CLASS THAT IS NOT THE kittenING POINT

Valar will laugh at your rage in between owning people 5 on 1

i dont care about this thread so dont caps lock neither cat me, but why are always the good players the ones who lose?

Hey, hey, hey, that ranger wasn’t the worst player. A worse player wouldn’t have used the rangers active spirits at all….

OE I love your streams and really haven’t disagreed with you ever about any skill versus reward issues that the game has. But don’t you think it’s just wasted energy at some point? Trying to highlight things that are wrong or seem off-balance I mean.

Like, maybe it isn’t obvious, but sometimes it’s hard to imagine why things are even making it into the game, like AI doing AoE 3k damage on a short cooldown and on death.

Just saying, the goal with some of these implementations seems hard to find. It definitely isn’t pushing the game any closer to a balanced, viewable iteration of lolesports, but that’s more opinion than fact.

umm kinda surprised how many players believe doing 12k+ dmg on 3 attacks and 100-0 another player while being completely CC’ed is normal

Even more surprised how self centered some players are, the world might rotate around you at home but this is the internet, no one gives a kitten

its perfectly fine though to have mobility, sustain and kill people in 2 seconds as an Ele , no ?

The ele shouldn’t have just stood next to the storm spirit. By now people should no not to stand anywhere near spirits if a) they’re raising their arms [short timeframe] or b) they’re dying. As for the amount of damage the Ranger took, that’s what happens when you have high toughness + protection. Most condi-specs do that. And, honestly, you can’t hate on Rangers themselves for running the spirit build — it’s like one of only 2 good builds they have — the spirit build offering the most group support of the 2.

Chokolata.1870:

its perfectly fine though to have mobility, sustain and kill people in 2 seconds as an Ele , no ?

Please tell us more about burst eles’ sustain.

Ostricheggs.3742:

I do believe that you simply ignored my entire post and reposted what you claimed previously and missed the entire point of the video, AGAIN.

The worst part is it’s like you never watched the video. You have no idea what killed me. It wasn’t the spirits. The storm spirit finished me off. It was the pet, the 3 hits and the spirit. I died to exactly what is said I died to because I rewatched the kittening video like a sane human being would instead of just kittening arguing over unsupported evidence like you are.

You don’t understand one of the most basic concepts in the game (that dodging makes you move at a pace faster than walking while crippled) and point out me using ether renewal and my dodges as a mistake. Using both WAS a mistake and I should have just popped ether. You TOTALLY missed the context of the video and the fact that the ranger came out of nowhere and the reasonign why I “wasted” my dodges.

You claim that I should have “blinded him” while ignoring that he got THREE kittenING HITS off on me. THREE.

You insinuate that by chaing CCing the ele the entire kittening time I am wasting “defensive” cooldowns. You ignore that he got THREE kittenING HITS OFF ON me. !!!!!!!THREE kittenING HITS!!!!!

You claim that I must “use air dodge” when the ENTIRE kittenING POINT was to CC the ranger to death because he didn’t have shared anguish on and ate my earthquake.

You’re insane nit-picking about my ele play TOTALLY ignores what occurred in the video and the entire point of the video.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW I AM NOT A PERFECT ELE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW THAT I CAN BEAT RANGERS AND I KNOW HOW TO BEAT THEM!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE VIDEO IS TO SHOW HOW SIMPLE MISTAKES MADE BY A PLAYER PLAYING BETTER THAN ANOTHER CAN MAKE THE GOOD PLAYER LOSE THE FIGHT BECAUSE THE WORSE PLAYER IS PLAYING AN EASY CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anything, you need to l2comprehend context and basic points. I understand english is not your first language, but for the love of god please just kittening stop trying to kitten in a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with you.

JESUS kittenING CHRIST I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE GOOD AT THIS CLASS THAT IS NOT THE kittenING POINT

He killed you in 3-6 hits because you’re glassy. That’s to be expected. As for what ELEorAFK said, I think he made several good points that you should take heed to.

So far, all I’m seeing is an DPS obsessed elementalist who is used to spiking everyone down in 3 seconds, but failed to with a ranger — so he came here to complain. My apologies, I may be over generalizing somewhat, but that’s all I see.

Spirits triggering on death is braindead safety. It passively utilizes the only active component of Spirit design.

…since Rangers need to passively react to active effects. #EmpathicBond

Change autofollow trait, change death trigger trait. Stationary Spirits require a lot more skill. Or perhaps Spirit Auras shouldn’t be available 100% of the time—maybe the Aura would proc once when a Spirit is cast then again when the Active is used. Something needs to increase depth of play.

jmatb.6307:

This trend keeps continuing where easy elements are being boosted when a class falls out of the meta. Eles are about to get a huge Healing/Second boost from Water Staff auto, Geyser, and Blasting Staff will make AoE healing for Eles huge. Warriors were on the bench forever so they gave them Healing Signet buffs and Zerker Stance. Necros got Dhuumfire.

A bit late, but I want to reply to this.

No. Ele’s are not getting a ‘huge’ buff to Healing. At all. It’s literally almost nothing. Attached picture shows the ‘HUGE’ radius increase for Geyser. It’s not that much bigger. This is with Blasting Staff. Autoattack heal is only getting increased if you have healing power and only for an extra 15% of that healing power. While this sounds good in theory, you have to realize the MAJOR GLARING ISSUE with Water Blast. You can’t heal anyone with it. The radius for healing is way too small. It should heal around the caster or something, that would be a buff to it that would make it worth using.

Second, some of their support is actually getting nerfed. EA dodge effects and some Elemental Attunement effects are getting reduced in their range. This is not a ‘buff’.

Please do compare this to Warrior’s Healing Signet buff. This is still nothing to that.

On the other side, I do want to point out the important buffs that you are neglecting to mention, and that being Unsteady Ground and Earth Shield. These two are getting incredibly buffed and Earth Shield just may well see play in the future. Especially with Invul effects no longer blocking capture points.

Razor.9872:

Ostricheggs.3742:

I do believe that you simply ignored my entire post and reposted what you claimed previously and missed the entire point of the video, AGAIN.

The worst part is it’s like you never watched the video. You have no idea what killed me. It wasn’t the spirits. The storm spirit finished me off. It was the pet, the 3 hits and the spirit. I died to exactly what is said I died to because I rewatched the kittening video like a sane human being would instead of just kittening arguing over unsupported evidence like you are.

You don’t understand one of the most basic concepts in the game (that dodging makes you move at a pace faster than walking while crippled) and point out me using ether renewal and my dodges as a mistake. Using both WAS a mistake and I should have just popped ether. You TOTALLY missed the context of the video and the fact that the ranger came out of nowhere and the reasonign why I “wasted” my dodges.

You claim that I should have “blinded him” while ignoring that he got THREE kittenING HITS off on me. THREE.

You insinuate that by chaing CCing the ele the entire kittening time I am wasting “defensive” cooldowns. You ignore that he got THREE kittenING HITS OFF ON me. !!!!!!!THREE kittenING HITS!!!!!

You claim that I must “use air dodge” when the ENTIRE kittenING POINT was to CC the ranger to death because he didn’t have shared anguish on and ate my earthquake.

You’re insane nit-picking about my ele play TOTALLY ignores what occurred in the video and the entire point of the video.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW I AM NOT A PERFECT ELE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW THAT I CAN BEAT RANGERS AND I KNOW HOW TO BEAT THEM!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE VIDEO IS TO SHOW HOW SIMPLE MISTAKES MADE BY A PLAYER PLAYING BETTER THAN ANOTHER CAN MAKE THE GOOD PLAYER LOSE THE FIGHT BECAUSE THE WORSE PLAYER IS PLAYING AN EASY CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anything, you need to l2comprehend context and basic points. I understand english is not your first language, but for the love of god please just kittening stop trying to kitten in a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with you.

JESUS kittenING CHRIST I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE GOOD AT THIS CLASS THAT IS NOT THE kittenING POINT

He killed you in 3-6 hits because you’re glassy. That’s to be expected. As for what ELEorAFK said, I think he made several good points that you should take heed to.

So far, all I’m seeing is an DPS obsessed elementalist who is used to spiking everyone down in 3 seconds, but failed to with a ranger — so he came here to complain. My apologies, I may be over generalizing somewhat, but that’s all I see.

I wish I could be be a tanky canon like the Ranger. They don’t dish out as much as a full GC, but you can’t outsustain them while they can destroy glass canon specs like it’s nothing (they essentially become a GC to the GC opposer while being tanky) and do exteremely well against tanky specs because of their ability to outdps them. Oh, and most of it’s passive. Goodness, why would anyone even bother defending the state of this class. I like winning too, but not like this.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Razor.9872:

Ostricheggs.3742:

I do believe that you simply ignored my entire post and reposted what you claimed previously and missed the entire point of the video, AGAIN.

The worst part is it’s like you never watched the video. You have no idea what killed me. It wasn’t the spirits. The storm spirit finished me off. It was the pet, the 3 hits and the spirit. I died to exactly what is said I died to because I rewatched the kittening video like a sane human being would instead of just kittening arguing over unsupported evidence like you are.

You don’t understand one of the most basic concepts in the game (that dodging makes you move at a pace faster than walking while crippled) and point out me using ether renewal and my dodges as a mistake. Using both WAS a mistake and I should have just popped ether. You TOTALLY missed the context of the video and the fact that the ranger came out of nowhere and the reasonign why I “wasted” my dodges.

You claim that I should have “blinded him” while ignoring that he got THREE kittenING HITS off on me. THREE.

You insinuate that by chaing CCing the ele the entire kittening time I am wasting “defensive” cooldowns. You ignore that he got THREE kittenING HITS OFF ON me. !!!!!!!THREE kittenING HITS!!!!!

You claim that I must “use air dodge” when the ENTIRE kittenING POINT was to CC the ranger to death because he didn’t have shared anguish on and ate my earthquake.

You’re insane nit-picking about my ele play TOTALLY ignores what occurred in the video and the entire point of the video.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW I AM NOT A PERFECT ELE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW THAT I CAN BEAT RANGERS AND I KNOW HOW TO BEAT THEM!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE VIDEO IS TO SHOW HOW SIMPLE MISTAKES MADE BY A PLAYER PLAYING BETTER THAN ANOTHER CAN MAKE THE GOOD PLAYER LOSE THE FIGHT BECAUSE THE WORSE PLAYER IS PLAYING AN EASY CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anything, you need to l2comprehend context and basic points. I understand english is not your first language, but for the love of god please just kittening stop trying to kitten in a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with you.

JESUS kittenING CHRIST I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE GOOD AT THIS CLASS THAT IS NOT THE kittenING POINT

He killed you in 3-6 hits because you’re glassy. That’s to be expected. As for what ELEorAFK said, I think he made several good points that you should take heed to.

So far, all I’m seeing is an DPS obsessed elementalist who is used to spiking everyone down in 3 seconds, but failed to with a ranger — so he came here to complain. My apologies, I may be over generalizing somewhat, but that’s all I see.

I wish I could be be a tanky canon like the Ranger. They don’t dish out as much as a full GC, but you can’t outsustain them while they can destroy glass canon specs like it’s nothing (they essentially become a GC to the GC opposer while being tanky) and do exteremely well against tanky specs because of their ability to outdps them. Oh, and most of it’s passive. Goodness, why would anyone even bother defending the state of this class. I like winning too, but not like this.

The only way a Ranger can be tanky and a GC at the same time is if he/she times their evades perfectly. Otherwise, what you’re speaking of doesn’t exist.

It’s true, I wish the Ranger wasn’t so passive. I wish everything about the profession would be fixed. But what I saw here in this video wasn’t necessarily something to get mad at. The ele wasn’t thinking, and reacted to the Ranger in negative ways that got him killed.

Razor.9872:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Razor.9872:

Ostricheggs.3742:

I do believe that you simply ignored my entire post and reposted what you claimed previously and missed the entire point of the video, AGAIN.

The worst part is it’s like you never watched the video. You have no idea what killed me. It wasn’t the spirits. The storm spirit finished me off. It was the pet, the 3 hits and the spirit. I died to exactly what is said I died to because I rewatched the kittening video like a sane human being would instead of just kittening arguing over unsupported evidence like you are.

You don’t understand one of the most basic concepts in the game (that dodging makes you move at a pace faster than walking while crippled) and point out me using ether renewal and my dodges as a mistake. Using both WAS a mistake and I should have just popped ether. You TOTALLY missed the context of the video and the fact that the ranger came out of nowhere and the reasonign why I “wasted” my dodges.

You claim that I should have “blinded him” while ignoring that he got THREE kittenING HITS off on me. THREE.

You insinuate that by chaing CCing the ele the entire kittening time I am wasting “defensive” cooldowns. You ignore that he got THREE kittenING HITS OFF ON me. !!!!!!!THREE kittenING HITS!!!!!

You claim that I must “use air dodge” when the ENTIRE kittenING POINT was to CC the ranger to death because he didn’t have shared anguish on and ate my earthquake.

You’re insane nit-picking about my ele play TOTALLY ignores what occurred in the video and the entire point of the video.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW I AM NOT A PERFECT ELE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!I KNOW THAT I CAN BEAT RANGERS AND I KNOW HOW TO BEAT THEM!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE VIDEO IS TO SHOW HOW SIMPLE MISTAKES MADE BY A PLAYER PLAYING BETTER THAN ANOTHER CAN MAKE THE GOOD PLAYER LOSE THE FIGHT BECAUSE THE WORSE PLAYER IS PLAYING AN EASY CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anything, you need to l2comprehend context and basic points. I understand english is not your first language, but for the love of god please just kittening stop trying to kitten in a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with you.

JESUS kittenING CHRIST I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE GOOD AT THIS CLASS THAT IS NOT THE kittenING POINT

He killed you in 3-6 hits because you’re glassy. That’s to be expected. As for what ELEorAFK said, I think he made several good points that you should take heed to.

So far, all I’m seeing is an DPS obsessed elementalist who is used to spiking everyone down in 3 seconds, but failed to with a ranger — so he came here to complain. My apologies, I may be over generalizing somewhat, but that’s all I see.

I wish I could be be a tanky canon like the Ranger. They don’t dish out as much as a full GC, but you can’t outsustain them while they can destroy glass canon specs like it’s nothing (they essentially become a GC to the GC opposer while being tanky) and do exteremely well against tanky specs because of their ability to outdps them. Oh, and most of it’s passive. Goodness, why would anyone even bother defending the state of this class. I like winning too, but not like this.

The only way a Ranger can be tanky and a GC at the same time is if he/she times their evades perfectly. Otherwise, what you’re speaking of doesn’t exist.

It’s true, I wish the Ranger wasn’t so passive. I wish everything about the profession would be fixed. But what I saw here in this video wasn’t necessarily something to get mad at. The ele wasn’t thinking, and reacted to the Ranger in negative ways that got him killed.

Fair enough, although I think the cd on the evades are more forgivable than they should be imo. The better players you face, the better you have to time them, but even then the other side has to put forth a lot of effort catching you off guard let alone targetting you in the jungle. But it’s good to finally hear someone acknowledge the flaws for once. I am actually a fan of the ranger class but it’s so hard to play when I have no control over anything really (which makes things easier but it’s so frustrating that I cant play it).

You can easily see that sometimes a Spirit Ranger is being carried by his build..Its true and i main Ranger, i prefer the Beastmaster and the Power Ranger more.I see players with less skill than me affecting the flow of the game by just standing and autoattacking something.Spirits give group support,they unleash a ton of conditions and they can survive in 1v2 situations too easily.All these just by standing there,if the start to dodge the right skills and coordinate with the team then they become like gods…And then top teams want 2 of them

ELEorAFK.7935:

point is: if u touch it u could die. so avoid it!

May i ask you sir, why things like that should exist at all? Why it’s not like “aw, he is going to play piano masterpiece on his keaboard and kill me, it’s time to dodge or cc him!”? Why it should be like “aw, he have 3 spirits and his pet, and even if he will be disabled, his pets can kill me and he can just push his hand up and apploud to this awesome system while i’m dying.”?

Ok, I watched this video twice, and I see no reason for all the whine about rangers. What I did see was a poorly played glass ele, playing one the squishiest builds out there, on hands down the squishiest profession in the game, make no attempt to dodge any of the ranger player’s counterattacks.

It was already a silly decision to try to solo burst down one of tankiest builds in the game. But to try to trade damage mindlessly while on a glass cannon? That’s no different than a heartseeker spamming thief, except instead of 22222 it’s 5F1325. I don’t see how one could claim OE was playing better in this situation. Both players facerolled their keyboards (ranger faceroll is 789F2; yes, the spirits must be commanded to attack) and the glass cannon lost! That shouldn’t be a big surprise to anyone.

What is a big surprise to me is the amount of high-ranking non-ranger players who still display no clue how to play against spirit builds, post videos of themselves getting owned in very predictable ways, and then complain.

Am I the only person who doesn’t see this video as being a commentary on class balance? The way I see it it’s more about the mechanics of the game and what is perceived to be (un)acceptable/(in)appropriate for a Player versus Player game.

From what I can tell the video is showing everyone that there are some substantially unhealthy and inappropriate mechanics at work in PvP – and not just what’s being pointed to in regards to the ranger, as you’ll notice that the Ele was also unloading a fair bit of instant cast Air burst that no one but a computer could defend against anyways.

In a game where the only means available for players to separate themselves from other players is their own wherewithal and skills, mechanics like these should be classified in only one way: grossly inappropriate.

I don’t always play a glass cannon ele, but when I do…I charge into the middle of a Spirit Ranger with 3 pets getting ready to cast because reasons

hackks.3687:

Am I the only person who doesn’t see this video as being a commentary on class balance? The way I see it it’s more about the mechanics of the game and what is perceived to be (un)acceptable/(in)appropriate for a Player versus Player game.

From what I can tell the video is showing everyone that there are some substantially unhealthy and inappropriate mechanics at work in PvP – and not just what’s being pointed to in regards to the ranger, as you’ll notice that the Ele was also unloading a fair bit of instant cast Air burst that no one but a computer could defend against anyways.

I agree with this.

Ranger get CCd to (near) death, cannot react for 3s = OK.
Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.

Why?

Flamfloz.6732:

hackks.3687:

Am I the only person who doesn’t see this video as being a commentary on class balance? The way I see it it’s more about the mechanics of the game and what is perceived to be (un)acceptable/(in)appropriate for a Player versus Player game.

From what I can tell the video is showing everyone that there are some substantially unhealthy and inappropriate mechanics at work in PvP – and not just what’s being pointed to in regards to the ranger, as you’ll notice that the Ele was also unloading a fair bit of instant cast Air burst that no one but a computer could defend against anyways.

I agree with this.

Ranger get CCd to (near) death, cannot react for 3s = OK.
Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.

Why?

In which planet does your statement below become valid?

“Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.”

Spirit rangers must be the luckiest players I know, because they ALWAYS kill glass eles.

Amaterasu.6280:

Flamfloz.6732:

hackks.3687:

Am I the only person who doesn’t see this video as being a commentary on class balance? The way I see it it’s more about the mechanics of the game and what is perceived to be (un)acceptable/(in)appropriate for a Player versus Player game.

From what I can tell the video is showing everyone that there are some substantially unhealthy and inappropriate mechanics at work in PvP – and not just what’s being pointed to in regards to the ranger, as you’ll notice that the Ele was also unloading a fair bit of instant cast Air burst that no one but a computer could defend against anyways.

I agree with this.

Ranger get CCd to (near) death, cannot react for 3s = OK.
Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.

Why?

In which planet does your statement below become valid?

“Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.”

Spirit rangers must be the luckiest players I know, because they ALWAYS kill glass eles.

Esp ones that charge right into the middle of their pets all casting at once.

I’m speechless, I honestly can’t believe how badly you played there and then you blame the Ranger’s Passive Play. You killed yourself, to even blame the ranger just make’s me think you have no idea how a ranger works.

How did you let that Pet Auto-Attack you to death, you didn’t even try to kite or dodge it’s damage at all. Your playing GC build you should darn well know you need to kite.

Also you died to yourself not thanks to Passive Play. Honestly you would of had same out come vs a NPC outside of LA, that’s how badly you played there.

Holy kitten, there are people defending this crap. This game is beyond salvation.
You know what Ostricheggs? They are right! You shouldn’t attack our spirit-ranger overlords. In fact, just run away. Or even better,alt F4! Yeah, that will teach him.

So playing a glass cannon is inherently risky? Well Ill be..

Nobody likes Rangers but in the end, some classes and builds can take them 1v1 and some can’t.

Glass Ele doesn’t do kitten to any Ranger that has points in Wilderness Survival because they’ll dodge everything, get protection as a reward for doing so, and their condi dmg gets stronger at the same time. Dagger offhand stuff on Ele requires being close, and that’s just a deathtrap vs. a spirit ranger when you don’t have very good defense, health, etc.

Amaterasu.6280:

Flamfloz.6732:

I agree with this.
Ranger get CCd to (near) death, cannot react for 3s = OK.
Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.
Why?

In which planet does your statement below become valid?
“Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.”
Spirit rangers must be the luckiest players I know, because they ALWAYS kill glass eles.

…while the ranger is CCd? (“CCd ranger gets lucky” was implied)
Now that this is clarified, I doubt you or anyone regularly dies to CCd rangers.

The video just shows that the ranger was lucky and the ele was a bit too impetuous. Stars aligned and you got this video.
Let’s not draw too many conclusions from this video alone, is what some here are trying to say (doesn’t make the video less odd either).

Asomal.6453:

Holy kitten, there are people defending this crap. This game is beyond salvation.
You know what Ostricheggs? They are right! You shouldn’t attack our spirit-ranger overlords. In fact, just run away. Or even better,alt F4! Yeah, that will teach him.

you’re right, Glass Cannon Ele shouldn’t have to dodge attacks, or use heals when low against a Ranger..That’s just silly..

/facepalm

so, your own misstakes make you create a topic.
its rly bad ele gameplay here and it looks like you should create a ranger to know his skills/passives.

for sure spirit ranger is rly passive, i would also prefer the old trapper ranger, but this build is to weak.
in this video you have killed yourself and to 80% you spamed only your offensive skills without brain.
so im just wondering what do you whant?
beat everything with just spam the attackskills without tactic is also a bad joke.
and btw you nearly killed the ranger, hes also low hp.
you only lost because the lightning spirit at the end, because he dmged faster then you heal.
in this video the ranger won only because your misstakes and he was nearly down even with your ~bad ele gameplay…

seriously? how are people defending this? the player was disabled for 90% of the fight (i.e. he wasn’t actually playing!!!), but some how it’s OK that he won that fight? In a Player versus Player match???

I don’t care what classes were being played. kitten like that has no business being in PvP

How can so many people be this self-centered or outright stupid?

I blame public education…

hackks.3687:

seriously? how are people defending this? the player was disabled for 90% of the fight (i.e. he wasn’t actually playing!!!), but some how it’s OK that he won that fight? In a Player versus Player match???

I don’t care what classes were being played. kitten like that has no business being in PvP

How can so many people be this self-centered or outright stupid?

I blame public education…

play spirit ranger and fight a warrior, necro, mesmer, thief, engi or guardian, even a good ele is not so easy to fight.
if you play a class with much passive mechanic, you have at the other side less self controll and the “good” enemy players can handle such things, because ranger passive and pet attacks happen always in same rotation.

most ranger qq is a learn to play problem, because ppls dont create a ranger to learn his skills. i know also much ppls in my friendlist played all professions, but not the ranger.

for example…
when i play my bunker guardian i can survive a spirit ranger like forever.
but when i play a spirit ranger i can kill much guardians.
and why, just because this ppls dont know the ranger class well.

Oidmetala.8426:

hackks.3687:

seriously? how are people defending this? the player was disabled for 90% of the fight (i.e. he wasn’t actually playing!!!), but some how it’s OK that he won that fight? In a Player versus Player match???

I don’t care what classes were being played. kitten like that has no business being in PvP

How can so many people be this self-centered or outright stupid?

I blame public education…

play spirit ranger and fight a warrior, necro, mesmer, thief, engi or guardian, even a good ele is not so easy to fight.
if you play a class with much passive mechanic, you have at the other side less self controll and the “good” enemy players can handle such things, because ranger passive and pet attacks happen always in same rotation.

most ranger qq is a learn to play problem, because ppls dont create a ranger to learn his skills. i know also much ppls in my friendlist played all professions, but not the ranger.

for example…
when i play my bunker guardian i can survive a spirit ranger like forever.
but when i play a spirit ranger i can kill much guardians.
and why, just because this ppls dont know the ranger class well.

HO LEE FUKKK!!!!!!!

Seriously? Can you Rangers just drop the class-protectionist attitude for one second and just look at the video from an objective PvP standpoint?

Please tell me why you think it’s OK for:

- A player who’s not even participating in a fight due to being disabled for the majority of it to win said fight in PvP?
- A player being capable of dealing enough damage to another class to down them without having to hit a single button?

How is this even regarded as acceptable PvP game development?

Every PvP player should be up in arms about this. Including the Rangers. Rangers above all should be demanding more and better from ANet.

oh and can you ranger haters finaly stop with create qq topics?
you realiced that this ele gameplay is rly bad, why a bad ele should win?

eat lightning spirit is a huge problem, yes nerf ranger.
this ele would lose vs each other profession also, not only because this class is in a bad spot atm.

stop to lie yourself when speak about ranger is to easy to play.
guardian = easy mode
necro = easy mode
s/d thief = easy mode
warrior = easy mode
mesmer = easy mode

only ele and engi is a bit more hard to play, but not so much.
maybe some guys play the wrong game.

gw2 professions are easy to play.
but you can see who playes a profession as main ond who not.
easy to learn, hard to master.

in this video we talk about a low skilled fight.
ele plays bad and ranger plays bad, for sure maybe the passive of the ranger is there a big + when he fight a bad player.
but this dont happen with good players… killing lightning spirit in melee…
yes “wtf what was that”
just no idea what is happen, but create topic.

ranger is not a class. its an npc that thinks he is a class. i dont understand why ranger exists in this game/

Soo many clueless people in this thread its amazing.

Since when is a valk ele a glass ele?

Do you really think the risk rewards for the fight was justified?

Ostricheggs dont mind 99% of the people here, they are crap as can be.

I wouldn’t go there with a x/D set because of the lack of defensive skills, and mobility is not necessarily an advantage here. You made some few mistakes when you engaged but unfortunately they’re not forgiving to us eles.

Shukran.4851:

i dont care about this thread so dont caps lock neither cat me, but why are always the good players the ones who lose?

I think this is the problem with the people still playing GW2.
You have not realized that there are no “good players” in the game. The game is all about bringing the right build and spamming basic rotations, there is so little skill involved that it can be learned easily within a week. So the good players do not lose to bad players, players just lose to players, and that is highly dependent on classes/builds.

Razor.9872:

So far, all I’m seeing is an DPS obsessed elementalist who is used to spiking everyone down in 3 seconds, but failed to with a ranger — so he came here to complain. My apologies, I may be over generalizing somewhat, but that’s all I see.

You missed the part where the ranger won without playing.

I just imagine this ranger polishing his monocle while inhaling caviar, laughing at other people for not having it as easy as him, making money as he drinks his tea in a lazy chair while the peasants are sweating in the cornfield.

KrisHQ.4719:

Shukran.4851:

i dont care about this thread so dont caps lock neither cat me, but why are always the good players the ones who lose?

I think this is the problem with the people still playing GW2.
You have not realized that there are no “good players” in the game. The game is all about bringing the right build and spamming basic rotations, there is so little skill involved that it can be learned easily within a week. So the good players do not lose to bad players, players just lose to players, and that is highly dependent on classes/builds.

my post, as mostly in last 8 months, is sarcastic. it was an answer to op’s “being a good player losing against a bad player”. so

what i still find difficult to understand is why ppl are still playing myst’s pvp when they know that it sucks. ok u spent money on it. do u know in your life how much money will u waste ? u already know what devs think about spvp. there have been a lot of “big patches” and any of them fixed the game. what are u expecting more?
i think that the ones who still play the game and still look at forum, should kitten and play it, because they deserve the suffering knowing how bad things are with this pvp.
enjoy
sorry for bad english

You should see the OP’s reaction on twitch when he lost to a guardian over and over.

Epic nerd rage.

gotem.5284:

You should see the OP’s reaction on twitch when he lost to a guardian over and over.

Epic nerd rage.

OE is way better player than that guard. you just a bunch of nonames who is happy because you won a duel with good player. OE is one of the top engis in this game and who is that guy?

gotem.5284:

You should see the OP’s reaction on twitch when he lost to a guardian over and over.

Epic nerd rage.

Shows how bad the balance in this game is atm. Especially the balance between risk and reward. The enormous difference in difficulty between the professions. We basicly have some of the hardest and easiest classes in the history of MMOs in the same game.

How spamming your autoattack can destroy someone who has to rotate through and combine a whole series of skillshots. How a properly specced class can be tanky and nulify most of the opposing players dmg…..and still do just as much sustained as most random dps build players in the game.

An ele or engineer vs something as mind-numbingly simple as a guardian spiritranger or necro is not even a comparison. The first two take months to learn to play properly, while the later three take about 10 minutes.

Oidmetala.8426:

in this video we talk about a low skilled fight.

No, we talk about mechanics which allows players to kill somebody in 3 seconds while being disabled.

well, keep whining against ranger.

i just wonder how u bobs handle warrior, thief, necro and mesmers when you cry about ranger.

warrior is brain off just spam cc
necro is brain off just spam condis
thief is brain off just spam ~2-3 attacks all time

you full kittens whant a ranger nerf for balance the hole game.
well then whats the space of ranger after nerf him into ground.
atm warrior, necro, thief and mes can beat spirit rangers without much problems

Oidmetala.8426:

well, keep whining against ranger.

i just wonder how u bobs handle warrior, thief, necro and mesmers when you cry about ranger.

warrior is brain off just spam cc
necro is brain off just spam condis
thief is brain off just spam ~2-3 attacks all time

you full kittens whant a ranger nerf for balance the hole game.
well then whats the space of ranger after nerf him into ground.
atm warrior, necro, thief and mes can beat spirit rangers without much problems

I dont think you understand the idea behind this thread. Its NOT about classes being OP or not. Its about proper risk and reward. About how some classes can manage to be effective (or even top of the food chain) with very little effort involved. While other classes need to work their kitten off to get the same results.

Its about adjusting classes so every single one requires about as much effort as the other to play well. Not about making them weaker or stronger.

And yes the same applies to warriors (esp healing signet) necros and to some extend thieves. But thieves are a different story since its only a minor part of their design that needs to be adjusted (spam stealth in one spec and spam evades in another).

Locuz.2651:

gotem.5284:

You should see the OP’s reaction on twitch when he lost to a guardian over and over.

Epic nerd rage.

Shows how bad the balance in this game is atm. Especially the balance between risk and reward. The enormous difference in difficulty between the professions. We basicly have some of the hardest and easiest classes in the history of MMOs in the same game.

How spamming your autoattack can destroy someone who has to rotate through and combine a whole series of skillshots. How a properly specced class can be tanky and nulify most of the opposing players dmg…..and still do just as much sustained as most random dps build players in the game.

An ele or engineer vs something as mind-numbingly simple as a guardian spiritranger or necro is not even a comparison. The first two take months to learn to play properly, while the later three take about 10 minutes.

Welcome to life. You think everything is going to be fair?

I played a hunter in WoW with over 70 keybindings to get gladiator.

My friend played an ele shaman and got gladiator by hitting 3-5 keys.

Deal with it. There will —→ NEVER <-— be balance in ANY game.

If you can’t handle this concept I suggest you quit MMO type games. Go play an FPS game.