Guild Wars 2

i’m a legend-ranked thief, one of the only 3-4 good ones

[+] – gain in tier
[=] – no change in tier
[-] – loss in tier

s-tier:

• chronomancer [=]

a-tier:

• herald [-]
• druid [-]
• scrapper [-]
• daredevil [+]
• tempest [=]
• beserker [++]

b-tier:

• reaper [- -]
• dragonhunter [-]

balance is the best it’s been since launch.

sinject.4607:

i’m a legend-ranked thief, one of the only 3-4 good ones

balance is the best it’s been since launch.

lol k

Balance may be good balance technical but horrible gameplay technical

sinject.4607:

i’m a legend-ranked thief, one of the only 3-4 good ones

[+] – gain in tier
[=] – no change in tier
[-] – loss in tier

s-tier:

• chronomancer [=]

a-tier:

• herald [-]
• druid [-]
• scrapper [-]
• daredevil [+]
• tempest [=]
• beserker [++]

b-tier:

• reaper [- -]
• dragonhunter [-]

balance is the best it’s been since launch.

SAB = Super Adventure Box. I see what you did there ^_^

Only thing I’d change is putting Tempest and Druid under S-tier [=] and reaper back into A-tier [=]

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Regon plays a Reaper and wants the class that are at all difficult for him to manage nerfed so he can face roll again

Regon plays guardian. And you seem like a thief player – facerolling all day, killing everyone easily, but afraid to get broth down to power of other classes, because you enjoy playing OP class.

Oh boy… Plays guardian and complains about theif, this can’ be real…. (I’m dying inside)

Anyways my tier list

S: Mesmer, Rev
A: Druid, Ele
B: Everything else???
( I don’t think guard will be that bad with all the condi Mesmers around)

Agemnon.4608:

sinject.4607:

i’m a legend-ranked thief, one of the only 3-4 good ones

[+] – gain in tier
[=] – no change in tier
[-] – loss in tier

s-tier:

• chronomancer [=]

a-tier:

• herald [-]
• druid [-]
• scrapper [-]
• daredevil [+]
• tempest [=]
• beserker [++]

b-tier:

• reaper [- -]
• dragonhunter [-]

balance is the best it’s been since launch.

SAB = Super Adventure Box. I see what you did there

Only thing I’d change is putting Tempest and Druid under S-tier [=] and reaper back into A-tier [=]

the only thing keeping druid in s-tier was the relative lack of counterplay to Search and Rescue thanks to it’s range, and it getting nerfed (along with the various other nerfs druid has gotten before this patch) imo cements it as a well balanced profession.

tempest i also think is wildly overrated; a single thief can destroy tempest thanks to it’s dependence on Protection/Stability/Reflects and how it’s generally designed to survive sustained damage rather than burst.

idk about reaper anymore though, seems like they lost a lot of damage. from my experiences, it seems like they’re still a decent threat to certain professions like scrapper but they aren’t able to be much else post-patch. maybe it’s the fact i haven’t fought any good reapers yet and all the old “good” ones aren’t getting carried anymore.

i agree reaper needed nerfs, but i don’t think they went about it the best way possible for reaper players and everyone else. they could’ve just removed Mercenary’s Amulet, slightly toned down damage rather than leave a broken amulet in the game and it would’ve solved both reaper and chrono problems mostly. but i’m guessing they didnt do this so they could try and get scrapper/druid/beserker abusing Mercenary’s too, given their respective condi build buffs.

Essential in every team:
mesmer, ele, rev

Very possible to see use:
engi, ranger, thief

decent but not likely to see use:
guardian, warrior, necro

At least I don’t find any profession to be trash tier this time.

the only thing keeping druid in s-tier was the relative lack of counterplay to Search and Rescue thanks to it’s range, and it getting nerfed (along with the various other nerfs druid has gotten before this patch) imo cements it as a well balanced profession.

Revenants and tempests had decent counterplay to it due to phase traversal and staff 2 and 5 or sword 5 and lightning flash with fire or air overload. Search and rescue is a great skill but druid has lots in the form of dazes, disengage, longbow pressure and interrupts, and good pet skills via smokeskelk and bristleback.

Reaper has lots of fear access and boon corruption and lots of conditions such as weakness, poison, cripple, and others that just wreck if left unchecked.

Tempest may be weak vs. daredevil but overall it’s simply incredible. I’ve mained it and druid the past season and the disengage (especially with eye of the storm slotted though I sometimes take aftershock instead) and sustain (party and self) is simply insane. I remember hitting far a few times, bailing after holding two far at bay, then the team wins the 4v3 at mid and I swing around to where I’m needed. Usually I join the mid fight however.

Exciton.8942:

Essential in every team:
mesmer, ele, rev

Very possible to see use:
engi, ranger, thief

decent but not likely to see use:
guardian, warrior, necro

At least I don’t find any profession to be trash tier this time.

Looks accurate

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Regon plays guardian. And you seem like a thief player – facerolling all day, killing everyone easily, but afraid to get broth down to power of other classes, because you enjoy playing OP class.

Just saying… if a Thief kills a Guardian, it’s not the Thief’s fault. Take that as you will.

Kageseigi.2150:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Regon plays guardian. And you seem like a thief player – facerolling all day, killing everyone easily, but afraid to get broth down to power of other classes, because you enjoy playing OP class.

Just saying… if a Thief kills a Guardian, it’s not the Thief’s fault. Take that as you will.

Actually thanks to previous patch.. Guardians have a rough time with Thieves now… there’s no way Guards win vs power Thieves in 1v1. Best chance we have is an F1 pull inside ToF, which is rare considering their evade abilities…

Saiyan.1704:

Kageseigi.2150:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Regon plays guardian. And you seem like a thief player – facerolling all day, killing everyone easily, but afraid to get broth down to power of other classes, because you enjoy playing OP class.

Just saying… if a Thief kills a Guardian, it’s not the Thief’s fault. Take that as you will.

Actually thanks to previous patch.. Guardians have a rough time with Thieves now… there’s no way Guards win vs power Thieves in 1v1. Best chance we have is an F1 pull inside ToF, which is rare considering their evade abilities…

I have no trouble killing thief with guardian.
My 2nd most is still guardian and its solid counter for thieves

Gibimo.2193:

Saiyan.1704:

Kageseigi.2150:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Regon plays guardian. And you seem like a thief player – facerolling all day, killing everyone easily, but afraid to get broth down to power of other classes, because you enjoy playing OP class.

Just saying… if a Thief kills a Guardian, it’s not the Thief’s fault. Take that as you will.

Actually thanks to previous patch.. Guardians have a rough time with Thieves now… there’s no way Guards win vs power Thieves in 1v1. Best chance we have is an F1 pull inside ToF, which is rare considering their evade abilities…

I have no trouble killing thief with guardian.
My 2nd most is still guardian and its solid counter for thieves

You’re playing against bad thieves then

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

TLDR:

S tier: Mesmer, Rev

A tier: Ele, Ranger

B tier: Engie, Thief

C tier: Necro, Warrior

D tier: Guardian

Trends

Mesmer received 100% S tier votes
Engineer had the largest spread, ranging from A tier to D tier
Guardian received the only F tier vote
Guardian’s highest vote was C tier
Warrior, previously regarded as the worst class in PvP, received 60% of votes in the B Tier, showing its drastic improvement from the latest patch
Two of the previous meta’s most highly regarded classes, elementalist and necromancer, received votes as low as C tier
Thief hit A tier once, but 55% of votes were in C tier
Revenant only received S and A tier votes
Ranger received 91% votes in the S or A tier, with only one B tier vote

Regon Phoenix.8215:

God Tier – only other from god tier can defeat god tier class

Mid Tier – they are on verge of not being meta.

Low Tier – …waste everyone’s time playing these, because other teammates will have to carry your dead weight:
Mostly All Core Classes

This is a very specific mindset for a very simple/lazy kind of person that doesn’t understand the core mechanics of any competitive game. Please don’t buy into lazy things like this, read your moves, read your talents, enjoy the game. This type of copy/paste play is the reason games become stale and boring. Some things are clearly stronger than others at certain things, but just use some thought and you’ll do fine (eventually).

from an average opinion of 10 pro league players:
http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

Silverkey.2078:

from an average opinion of 10 pro league players:
http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

thanks, I totally didn’t just post that 2 posts above yours.

Darknicrofia.2604:

Silverkey.2078:

from an average opinion of 10 pro league players:
http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

thanks, I totally didn’t just post that 2 posts above yours.

My bad!

Silverkey.2078:

from an average opinion of 10 pro league players:
http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

Yea, it sums it up pretty well…but if there was a tier above S, I’d put mesmer in it. That class is just disgusting and only gets more OP in solo Q.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

God Tier – only other from god tier can defeat god tier class (or when they are massively outnumbered or can’t play their class). These classes are hugely OP and should be nerfed heavily, but for now, they rule pvp:
Any Daredevil (i was correct)
Power/ Bruiser Scrapper (i wasn’t correct, they fell one tier bellow)
Any Druid (i was correct)

Top Tier – right behind are these, while still extremely strong, they normally can’t do much about higher tier classes:
Power Herald (i was correct)
Bruiser Tempest (i wasn’t correct, they risen up by one tier)
Any Chronomancer (i was correct)

Mid Tier – they are on verge of not being meta. Would recommend to avoid playing these, unless you are very good with them. They still can shine, but not as those above:
Any Berserker (i wasn’t correct, they risen up by one tier)
Power Dragon Hunter (i wasn’t correct, they fell one tier bellow)
Power/ Condition Tempest (can’t see any of these, only bruisers)
Condition Herald (can’t see any of these)
Condition Scrapper (can’t see any of these)
Condition Reaper (i wasn’t correct, they fell one tier bellow)

Low Tier – welp, these will not be meta and you will waste everyone’s time playing these, because other teammates will have to carry your dead weight:
Mostly All Core Classes (i was correct)
Power Reaper (i was correct)
Condition Dragon Hunter (i was correct)

your whole list is incorrect and even my dog whould have done a more accurate one
…..
daredevil god tier lmao

dominik.9721:

your whole list is incorrect and even my dog whould have done a more accurate one
…..
daredevil god tier lmao

Sounds like something broken daredevil main would say.

S Tier
Auramancer Tempest
Condi/Corrupt Reaper
Power Scrapper
Condi Warrior

A Tier
Condi-Chronomancer
Power Shiro Herald
Daredevil

B Tier
Condition Herald
Power Warrior
Bunker Druid

C Tier
Meditrapper/Bunker Dragonhunter
Marauder/Power Survival/Shoutbow Druid
Power-Shatter Chronomancer

D Tier
Trapper Ranger
Offensive (Power or Condi) Tempest
Condi-Engineer

E Tier
-Most Non-HoT setups

I agree with the list overall but would place Shoutbow Druid in A-tier at least (running Glyph of Equality, Signet of Stone, Protect Me, and Strength of the Pack) with Sigil of Transference and Water on staff and the one that does chilling on crit (in place of blood) on longbow.

Do you have any credentials at all for these bold, and seemingly mindless claims?
Any explanation or basic Ideals that you have about what “fair” actually means to you?
I’d personally love to hear explanations for these claims, class by class so I can dispute them, and from there we can come to a better understanding of what such an asymmetrical game is about. The beauty of this style of games IS the differences, and the only goal the developer can achieve to “balance” the game is to make the most people happy with their classes. The game is first and foremost about fun, every facet of the game is based on that. The game is purposely vague and simple when it comes to how classes interact. The ranking system rewards time and not dedication or talent.

My point is, you are kind of a dimwit who is misleading sheep that trust arrogant fools.

Regon is a pretty obvious and bad troll don’t let him rustle your jimmies.

dominik.9721:

your whole list is incorrect and even my dog whould have done a more accurate one
…..
daredevil god tier lmao

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Regon is a pretty obvious and bad troll don’t let him rustle your jimmies.

Maybe, but acting like a fool doesn’t make you less of one.

Euthymias.7984:

S Tier
Auramancer Tempest
Condi/Corrupt Reaper
Power Scrapper
Condi Warrior

A Tier
Condi-Chronomancer
Power Shiro Herald
Daredevil

B Tier
Condition Herald
Power Warrior
Bunker Druid

C Tier
Meditrapper/Bunker Dragonhunter
Marauder/Power Survival/Shoutbow Druid
Power-Shatter Chronomancer

D Tier
Trapper Ranger
Offensive (Power or Condi) Tempest
Condi-Engineer

E Tier
-Most Non-HoT setups

best list so far. here’s why:

- scrapper’s sustain to damage ratio is way out of wack thanks to gyros and hammers being poorly balanced. way too much CC and passive survivability. the only reason they can take Paladin’s over Marauder’s is because hammers damage is stupid.
- aura tempest cannot die to anything that lacks heavy boon strip. unrivaled support to the point of absurdity. completely shuts down projectile reliant builds (power dh, power druid namely) thanks to overabundance of reflects.
- condi warrior is completely braindead. far too much “minor” condi application that has little to no broadcast/reliable way to avoid but will end up killing you cause of their durations. too much CC, way too reliant on disgustingly passive mechanics that literally promote siting there and facetanking damage (ahem, passive stability/resistance/invuln stances). adrenal healing… what hasn’t been said about it already? it’s literally worse than the old healing signet.
- condi reaper has too much boon corrupt/passive condi application.

Euthymias.7984:

S Tier
Auramancer Tempest
Condi/Corrupt Reaper
Power Scrapper
Condi Warrior

A Tier
Condi-Chronomancer
Power Shiro Herald
Daredevil

B Tier
Condition Herald
Power Warrior
Bunker Druid

C Tier
Meditrapper/Bunker Dragonhunter
Marauder/Power Survival/Shoutbow Druid
Power-Shatter Chronomancer

D Tier
Trapper Ranger
Offensive (Power or Condi) Tempest
Condi-Engineer

E Tier
-Most Non-HoT setups

I’d place Ventari/Glint support on C tier. Not that there are many users of it.

God Tier
Any Daredevil – disgusting burst and dps, together with loads of CC and dodges. In 2v2 you can’t do anything against him. highest mobility in the game. Can force you to use your all defensive cooldowns, while it escape/stealth for a little bit and then finish you off.
Any Druid – simply because you can’t kill him and he can kill you. Tons of heals, supports, damage negates, PETS, CC. You can’t fight him, you can’t fight his pets (because he will just swap the pet). Druid is supporttank+average damage = op.
Bruiser Tempest same like druid, but with less damage and more healing.

Top Tier
Power Herald – very high damage, lots of heals and evades, good mobility. Only weakness is that you have to trade healing for condition cleansing.
Any Chronomancer – decent damage, great supporting, average sustain.
Power/ Bruiser Scrapper – damage negates, healing, stealth, CC, high base damage, doesn’t require any skills to be played.
Any Berserker – high sustain+high damage.

Mid Tier
Condition Reaper – only saving grace is boon corruption and people cry about it 24/7. Tried to main it, but it have no defense, no good CC and nearly no sustain. It can only facetank damage and hope to god people will not cleanse anything.
Power/ Condition Tempest (can’t see any of these)
Condition Herald (can’t see any of these)
Condition Scrapper (can’t see any of these)

Low Tier
Power Dragon Hunter – used to be my main… Now it can’t do anything. Everyone is dodging traps, then rips apart this class in seconds. It deals no damage, have no defense and is pretty much a dead weight to your team.
Mostly All Core Classes – do i need to say anything here?
Power Reaper – who plays it? It doesn’t do significant damage, no conditions. It loses the main good thing from this class – boon corruption.
Condition Dragon Hunter – could have some potential, but any decent enemy will just walk out of all of your AOE and blast you to oblivion.

(God Tier)
————ALL HoT BUILDS———-

(Trash Tier)
everything else

Can we PLEASE get real here people?

God tier engi
ele

Regon Phoenix.8215:

God Tier
Any Daredevil – disgusting burst and dps, together with loads of CC and dodges. In 2v2 you can’t do anything against him. highest mobility in the game. Can force you to use your all defensive cooldowns, while it escape/stealth for a little bit and then finish you off.
Any Druid – simply because you can’t kill him and he can kill you. Tons of heals, supports, damage negates, PETS, CC. You can’t fight him, you can’t fight his pets (because he will just swap the pet). Druid is supporttank+average damage = op.
Bruiser Tempest same like druid, but with less damage and more healing.

Top Tier
Power Herald – very high damage, lots of heals and evades, good mobility. Only weakness is that you have to trade healing for condition cleansing.
Any Chronomancer – decent damage, great supporting, average sustain.
Power/ Bruiser Scrapper – damage negates, healing, stealth, CC, high base damage, doesn’t require any skills to be played.
Any Berserker – high sustain+high damage.

Mid Tier
Condition Reaper – only saving grace is boon corruption and people cry about it 24/7. Tried to main it, but it have no defense, no good CC and nearly no sustain. It can only facetank damage and hope to god people will not cleanse anything.
Power/ Condition Tempest (can’t see any of these)
Condition Herald (can’t see any of these)
Condition Scrapper (can’t see any of these)

Low Tier
Power Dragon Hunter – used to be my main… Now it can’t do anything. Everyone is dodging traps, then rips apart this class in seconds. It deals no damage, have no defense and is pretty much a dead weight to your team.
Mostly All Core Classes – do i need to say anything here?
Power Reaper – who plays it? It doesn’t do significant damage, no conditions. It loses the main good thing from this class – boon corruption.
Condition Dragon Hunter – could have some potential, but any decent enemy will just walk out of all of your AOE and blast you to oblivion.

its hilarious you rated your professions (reaper/dh) amongst the lowest and randomly put daredevil on top. i hope nobody takes you seriously

JTGuevara.9018:

(God Tier)
————ALL HoT BUILDS———-

(Trash Tier)
everything else

Can we PLEASE get real here people?

buy the expansion then. it’s not our fault you can’t compete by not buying the same game as us. otherwise you’re just asking for build variety which is a low priority because any adjustment of balance, even if good in the short term, can have unforeseen consequences and therefore it should be expected to take a while to be thoroughly thought through.

the biggest issue is straight forward: how do you buff core traitlines without buffing elites too?

i saw this first hand with thief/daredevil. they wanted to make Acrobatics decent again and implemented a round of buffs to it and guess what? it was still not viable without daredevil and ended up only making acro/trickery/daredevil strong.

there has to be redesign of how traitlines work if they could ever make core-only builds work vs elite-using builds.