Guild Wars 2

Stop with the hate mail/ private messages. Stop afk abuse. Stop calling us bad.
You are psyching yourself out before the match starts. Natural human thing to do to justify failures. If you run into a 5 que of the best team in gw2, and you go into the match thinking you will lose, your are psychologically already in a losing mindset. Be A WINNER ALWAYS. THINK LIKE A WINNER.
If you are truly legendary, then you can adapt/ learn to play. If you are not legendary and have warriors on your team. This still applies.

1) This is a game. I play what I like because a game is made for enjoyment. Of course I want to be the best player I can be but I want to have fun as well. Winning is fun, I am here to win.

2) Anet did not just wake up one morning and hand out legendary to me. I worked my butt off to get here. Studied builds, learned animations, working on my bursting craft. I earned it just as much as you did, so no I will not reroll. This is what I do best. We both put our best foot forward and work together you might be surprised what we can accomplish.

3) Metabattle is not the end all be all of gw2 conquest builds. I am sorry that meta battle did not teach you how to adapt to non meta situations. Learn to play with the cards you are dealt. ADAPT in game. Not every match is 5 meta battle builds vs 5 meta battle builds. Which means, there may be a better solution to winning this match, that is not “META”. Which leads to my next point.

4) How to play with a warrior on your team? Understand the warrior’s role. We are majority burst builds. Better at assaulting a node than defending one. We require teammates to not just be brain dead.
PEEL for the warrior. He is probably the target. Instead of the fire and forget target 90% of players place on the enemy necromancer, adjust what you are hitting to benefit your teammates survival.
Examples:
Rangers- Place you water fields so I can splash in them with my leap skills. I need all the heals I can get.
Engineers- When you drop heal turret, do it near me so I benefit. Or the swiftness that you generate, apply it to me so I can stick to my targets better.
Necromancer- Place your marks on my body
Etc etc.
ADAPT

5) Warrior 1v1s. When you see me go take the 1v1 versus the scrapper, I am not going to win that fight a majority of the time. It is bruiser vs dps role. Come help me. Or even better, switch out with me if you are better suited for that fight. Do not just get mad because I lost the fight. More than likely I went there to prevent the decap. Or sometimes to distract key enemy team roles.
Same goes for condition mesmer or some rangers. Play with me not against me.

5.5) This is huge, enemy role distraction. I think a lot of teammates do not understand what is happening, so let me explain. Say both teams have a support ele. I go far, to take the 1v1 vs the support ele, which I may or may not win as a stall tactic. This creates the 4v4 at the other nodes. But what is more important is that it creates the 4w/ support vs 4 without support battle that we should win every time.
This is not going far and dying in 1v1s 1v2s etc. This is putting your team in a better position to win elsewhere that is more important than your individual fight winning.

6) Of course I am going to leave some fights. Warrior mobility is very high. I will leave to decap or leave to prevent a decap. But it does not mean I am going to win all of those fights. See point 5 above.

7) Matchups in the game (Me-them)
I go into every fight expecting to win. Confidence if key. But I am realistic as well.
Revenants (30-70) evasion with the lifesteal. Lifesteal goes through endure pain and enchanted daggers never miss.
Scrappers (20-80) adaptive armor, and second wind due to low cd heals and defense
Condi mesmers (40-60) Moa and condi. Depends on who messes up first
Reapers (60-40) shroud level, timing of berserker stance, and TTK of 10 seconds
Elementalists- I do not really kill them, but they do not really kill me. Too much protection strength.
If you know this and see what is happening on the mini map, help out that warrior. Do not just complain if he loses the 1v1. Pure disengagement is not that easy for us vs some of these matchups. But maybe I stop the decap and then we swap positions and you kill the guy. Sounds reasonable.

8) Team fights. If you see me change target and 100 blades is active, you should probably get on that target. I am pure dps, why would you not change to the target so we can kill it?
Now I know what you are going to say. But we have a target on the necro, you should just kill the necro.
However, if you are watching the flow of battle, you may notice for example
-Hey that ele just blew defensive cds. Let’s kill him.
-That rev just glint healed, probably should jump him.
That mesmer just switched to staff, low on defenses.
Necro just left shroud, 10 seconds of pure damage allowed.
etc etc
These would be much better target options.
Please get on the DPS’s target

9) The warrior community does not have a vendetta against gw2. We are not here to throw matches. We are here to complete and play just like the rest of you. We may not be in the best position ranking wise, but that does not mean we bring nothing to the table.

I am not a perfect player, but I have gotten better at recognizing things I would not have noticed 2 years ago. And it is the reason I can play warrior still and do well.

Warrior brethren and sisters, I have your back. Hopefully, we can impart enough knowledge on folks, that they let us enjoy our class again in peace.
Kpop

ib4 heal signet 5% buff…again. lol

a lot of warroirs rely too much on the passive of healing signet when they now have many more ways to Tank and damage to high heaven aka this
Gw2 Beserk tank
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRAne8ZnMdAlhg1kCmkCElilrA7d0maftJXgs2qDJAc1SdA-TZBFABIcCAc4JAEeZAAOIAtv/AA

with the support as the Op mentioned a Warroir can Wreak face and won’t need imo more buffs to healing signet , in the past Healing signet was buffed because you didn’t have Resounding resilance back then or a 10second Stun break on Beserker skills with is mid you on this build in my post is 2.5k hp every 10seconds ontop of 410hps+ 450ish per 3seconds averaging 590hps on passives alone without regen from druids or eles ect , ontop of that is a ranger uses his Mobility CC’s like a PBS>CA>Seeds of life that pushing a target off points pins with ancient seeds leaves the warroir to leap or hammer leap into the blinding light field cures lots of condis due to LB AA and gives the warroir a huge Window to recover.

its all skill folks the build comes second , if you can’t focus the build is useless.

Warriors take too much team effort to be effective. The meta builds play on their own, hardly any player skill is needed. Thus, pepople prefer to play with metas. So, in this regard, no, warrior hate wont stop. Regardless of how good you are, you are making it harder for the team. Just roll a necromancer like everyone else until the nerfbat and call it a day man …

Wow, so basically you call everyone to adapt instead of adapting yourself.

Wow would read again 10/10.

While your points are sound and fair, I’m afraid your expectations are too high. This is GW2: even its PvP is casual, most players don’t try hard, prefer to bash than reflect. I do like your spirit though – congrats on reaching legend on your warrior.

As for some lazy 5% healing signet buff… It depends on whether they’ve finally understood that balance isn’t about giving everything to every class to please everyone.

Dont get me wrong, I played as main warrior before S1 and S2 when it was viable but now when I see a warrior on my team Im like its gonna be very difficult to win.
I honestly ask if Warrior can reroll, if not we make up a quick plan how to keep him alive as much as possible (I play ele and I pay special attentio to him) but the problém is that war cannot survive even with Ele support for long. So he needs to run in, burst and run out. His role is like +1 and here I rather see thief cause of mobility.
I played with very good guys on Warriors but it really was very hard for us as a team to win the fights. Now im in last tier of Diamond and when I see a warrior on my team Im like “why” now:)
Warriors are not viable in S2 ranked, sorry to say that but its this simple.

True warrior might be weak atm, but a good warrior van hold his own. ( I belive that’s his point) forcing people to play classes they aren’t skilled at, would only, if anything., cost your team the game.

But seriously the warrior hate has to stop.

And #5 is so true.

Warrior is pretty much the only class that doesn’t have a burst of healing to sustain itself, and its passive healings are just obsolete and negligeable.

It came to me as pretty obvious when duelling them as a revenant, i could let myself being hit multiple times, and easily heal up from life steal or infused light in no time. Warriors on the other hand are pretty much dead once their stances are out. Besides, their skills are so telegraphed and/or cc-reliant it’s pretty easy to play around.

Same thing i observed for the thief, I shouldn’t be able to rotate my heals against a burst glass canon in a glass amulet. But w/e

Back to the topic, based on my experience when going in ranked it’s just annoying to have to pick up downed warriors. Mostly because when you down a warrior, even if you put him back up he’s still a bother as he’s blown his defensive cds and is just going to fall again. Also, he’s endangering the team and giving opportunities to enemy cleave. And believe me, you don’t wanna rez when revs under impossible odds are spamming you.

It feels like the special child that requires extra care because he’s physically challenged.

So yeah, i’m not sorry for being apathetic at welcoming a handicap.

That post is way too long to read, but I’ve had more issue with the worthless elementalists. They run a build that does next to no damage, the go try to 1v1 someone on a point they for have, or follow an enemy player around the map.

Faux Play.6104:

That post is way too long to read, but I’ve had more issue with the worthless elementalists. They run a build that does next to no damage, the go try to 1v1 someone on a point they for have, or follow an enemy player around the map.

I rather had a ele that can bunker and heal on point. Current meta bunker ele is needed to win. Maybe I ask you what can warrior does other class cant is there a niche they can fill in a team

Raek.8504:

Wow, so basically you call everyone to adapt instead of adapting yourself.

Wow would read again 10/10.

Idk why you think adapt means reroll. I have adapted my build to the meta.

Elegie.3620:

While your points are sound and fair, I’m afraid your expectations are too high. This is GW2: even its PvP is casual, most players don’t try hard, prefer to bash than reflect. I do like your spirit though – congrats on reaching legend on your warrior.

As for some lazy 5% healing signet buff… It depends on whether they’ve finally understood that balance isn’t about giving everything to every class to please everyone.

Heal sig buff is warrior forums inside joke. Seems to be Anets go to move. I actually despise the skill. But the healing over time out classes the other ones I would choose.

illuminati.6937:

Dont get me wrong, I played as main warrior before S1 and S2 when it was viable but now when I see a warrior on my team Im like its gonna be very difficult to win.
I honestly ask if Warrior can reroll, if not we make up a quick plan how to keep him alive as much as possible (I play ele and I pay special attentio to him) but the problém is that war cannot survive even with Ele support for long. So he needs to run in, burst and run out. His role is like +1 and here I rather see thief cause of mobility.
I played with very good guys on Warriors but it really was very hard for us as a team to win the fights. Now im in last tier of Diamond and when I see a warrior on my team Im like “why” now:)
Warriors are not viable in S2 ranked, sorry to say that but its this simple.

This approach is not the way to go about it. Warrior effectiveness scales down with number of enemies. But I think an engineer is a better support for a warrior than an elementalist actually. It provides more than just the raw healing.

Exos.3472:

Warrior is pretty much the only class that doesn’t have a burst of healing to sustain itself, and its passive healings are just obsolete and negligeable.

It came to me as pretty obvious when duelling them as a revenant, i could let myself being hit multiple times, and easily heal up from life steal or infused light in no time. Warriors on the other hand are pretty much dead once their stances are out. Besides, their skills are so telegraphed and/or cc-reliant it’s pretty easy to play around.

Same thing i observed for the thief, I shouldn’t be able to rotate my heals against a burst glass canon in a glass amulet. But w/e

Back to the topic, based on my experience when going in ranked it’s just annoying to have to pick up downed warriors. Mostly because when you down a warrior, even if you put him back up he’s still a bother as he’s blown his defensive cds and is just going to fall again. Also, he’s endangering the team and giving opportunities to enemy cleave. And believe me, you don’t wanna rez when revs under impossible odds are spamming you.

It feels like the special child that requires extra care because he’s physically challenged.

So yeah, i’m not sorry for being apathetic at welcoming a handicap.

This is an issue with the support classes rezzing the person. No one can be rezzed under super cleaving conditions.

Blowing all three stances simultaneously is generally bad play. Key word generally.
There is usually kiting terrain around that extends your lifetime.

princode.2750:

Faux Play.6104:

That post is way too long to read, but I’ve had more issue with the worthless elementalists. They run a build that does next to no damage, the go try to 1v1 someone on a point they for have, or follow an enemy player around the map.

I rather had a ele that can bunker and heal on point. Current meta bunker ele is needed to win. Maybe I ask you what can warrior does other class cant is there a niche they can fill in a team

Problem with meta battle mindset. Having two eles makes a team fight easier, but does not make a match easier. You can usually out rotate double ele because their rotation is most likely not a damage dealer.

Warrior is the best class in the game at damage. My overall damage numbers and averages have increased substantially in the last 2-3 weeks. I now average about 900k damage a game.
I thought about posting screen shots, but I am not sure if it helps my argument here.

What I don’t like about the major intention of your post: YOU, YOU, YOU. No, it’s not me, that has to have to get his shi* straight, primarily YOU have to. My attitude: I don’t like to be carried and don’t like to carry someone. That doesn’t mean that I’m against teamwork (I love a great working team), but I’m against helping out more than I have to usually. And then it doesn’t matter to me, if you join with your daily class, warri or OP nec. If you need help all the time in situations, others can usually handle well alone (some time) – then you are doing something wrong.

Now…

1)I play what I like because a game is made for enjoyment.

You beg others to help you out – but on the other hand “You do what you like…”? Well, I play what’s best for the team. And if my class doesn’t fit well or if I’m going to make it really hard for my team if I stay on that class – then I switch to something more useful. That doesn’t mean: “Never play warri.”.

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2) […] I worked my butt off to get here. Studied builds, learned animations, working on my bursting craft. I earned it just as much as you did, so no I will not reroll.

So did I. Played warri before and something else as well. Now Anet decided to nerf warri (too much), then I move on and don’t try to force it (“But I played warri all the time!!!”) and accept things I can’t change atm instead of crying about it.

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3) […] ADAPT in game. Not every match is 5 meta battle builds vs 5 meta battle builds.

Right, if you can’t play the meta (or your build), it’s useless. But: Again the “YOU”. You also have to adapt, that there are a lot of situations, where warri (ele, mes, guard, so on) is a bad choice. Then, again, I don’t try to force it, but play something that is more useful (in that situation). That warris kinda often face enemy pairs, that suck for him, well, thank Anet, but don’t let your mates suffer ’cause of that.

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4) How to play with a warrior on your team?

If I get you right, whole point of that point: HELP ME. So? I do, but not more than I’d help others on my team. Primarily YOU have to help yourself, THEN depend on others. Your (support) mates are not your personal wingman, they are out there to help the whole team and not to always look out for someone special.

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5) Warrior 1v1s.

When it comes to 1v1: (IMHO) If you can’t win or at least stall them on your own – don’t do them. If you (scroll up) need someone else, your team has to make up for that and they have to fight outnumbered.

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5.5) This is huge, enemy role distraction. I think a lot of teammates do not understand what is happening, so let me explain. Say both teams have a support ele. I go far, to take the 1v1 vs the support ele, …

Fits for every other class.

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6) Of course I am going to leave some fights. Warrior mobility is very high.

You are right. But: That’s not to unique to warris and other classes come with (better) survibility. So that makes them all in all better suited for that. If it’s just about “I block!” – every one can do that.

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8) Team fights. If you see me change target and 100 blades is active, you should probably get on that target. I am pure dps, why would you not change to the target so we can kill it?

Like you wrote yourself: Because it’s not always a good choice. You, as you stated yourself, should be able to adapt. And that means too switching targets, even if you are sooooooo close to the kill.

And don’t take it all personal. Got some anger ’bout egoistic playstyle of the majority of the nowadays rotten community in it as well as thinkin of what I wrote (like you did in favor of warris) as general hints.

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Warrior is the best class in the game at damage. My overall damage numbers and averages have increased substantially in the last 2-3 weeks.

Maybe you are right, we’ll never find out, ‘cause there are no real logs or tools concerning that. But: DPS isn’t everything and dead dps and deeps that needs to get carried…

And k pop about us having th vest dps in game, that’s what I tried to tell shin or any other pro warriors, but I always get revs are dps king. Since I don’t play rev, have you compared their dps to ours. Because I am 100% sure, that we are the dps king and we just need a supp to excel at our role. True, our attack are slow and whatever…

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This is an issue with the support classes rezzing the person. No one can be rezzed under super cleaving conditions.

Blowing all three stances simultaneously is generally bad play. Key word generally.
There is usually kiting terrain around that extends your lifetime.

Double bs.

1) the issue is being down, don’t blame the supports for doing their job. You know revs can shadow step and catch you from anywhere.

Theres nothing more annoying than hard focusing a target, being on the verge of killing it only to see it up again because of a kitten rallybot. In my whole experience to legendary, I might have encountered maybe one warrior that wasn’t completely useless (must have been a rampage warri in saphire, stopped seeing warriors in diamond and past that).

2) try kitting a decent rev, I double dare you.

I’ve duelled wars enough to know when you are low on health you are 100% reliant on stances before being dead. And if you’re kitting you aren’t getting the precious heals from the eles. So yeah, what ?

You don’t make any sense.

Exos.3472:

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This is an issue with the support classes rezzing the person. No one can be rezzed under super cleaving conditions.

Blowing all three stances simultaneously is generally bad play. Key word generally.
There is usually kiting terrain around that extends your lifetime.

Double bs.

1) the issue is being down, don’t blame the supports for doing their job. You know revs can shadow step and catch you from anywhere.

Theres nothing more annoying than hard focusing a target, being on the verge of killing it only to see it up again because of a kitten rallybot. In my whole experience to legendary, I might have encountered maybe one warrior that wasn’t completely useless (must have been a rampage warri in saphire, stopped seeing warriors in diamond and past that).

2) try kitting a decent rev, I double dare you.

I’ve duelled wars enough to know when you are low on health you are 100% reliant on stances before being dead. And if you’re kitting you aren’t getting the precious heals from the eles. So yeah, what ?

You don’t make any sense.

Please watch Vaanss’ most recent video. You will see exactly what K pop means by kiting to survive.

https://youtu.be/qPIHTs2UdSY

True, this is WvW. And double true, in PvP this is pointless because you’ll lose caps. But warriors are just underpowered if you compare with all of the cheese specs in meta now.

Also, I am entirely with Kpop on this matter. Please stop the warrior hate. Warriors are the only balanced class in the game right now (maybe thief too). On other classes the players can be mediocre and still win, on a warrior you need to be excellent to play ranked/legendary because you get facerolled by cheese classes with spammy aoe and low risk all the time.

illo.5106:

What I don’t like about the major intention of your post: YOU, YOU, YOU. No, it’s not me, that has to have to get his shi* straight, primarily YOU have to. My attitude: I don’t like to be carried and don’t like to carry someone. That doesn’t mean that I’m against teamwork (I love a great working team), but I’m against helping out more than I have to usually. And then it doesn’t matter to me, if you join with your daily class, warri or OP nec. If you need help all the time in situations, others can usually handle well alone (some time) – then you are doing something wrong.

Now…

1)I play what I like because a game is made for enjoyment.

You beg others to help you out – but on the other hand “You do what you like…”? Well, I play what’s best for the team. And if my class doesn’t fit well or if I’m going to make it really hard for my team if I stay on that class – then I switch to something more useful. That doesn’t mean: “Never play warri.”.

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2) […] I worked my butt off to get here. Studied builds, learned animations, working on my bursting craft. I earned it just as much as you did, so no I will not reroll.

So did I. Played warri before and something else as well. Now Anet decided to nerf warri (too much), then I move on and don’t try to force it (“But I played warri all the time!!!”) and accept things I can’t change atm instead of crying about it.

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3) […] ADAPT in game. Not every match is 5 meta battle builds vs 5 meta battle builds.

Right, if you can’t play the meta (or your build), it’s useless. But: Again the “YOU”. You also have to adapt, that there are a lot of situations, where warri (ele, mes, guard, so on) is a bad choice. Then, again, I don’t try to force it, but play something that is more useful (in that situation). That warris kinda often face enemy pairs, that suck for him, well, thank Anet, but don’t let your mates suffer ’cause of that.

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4) How to play with a warrior on your team?

If I get you right, whole point of that point: HELP ME. So? I do, but not more than I’d help others on my team. Primarily YOU have to help yourself, THEN depend on others. Your (support) mates are not your personal wingman, they are out there to help the whole team and not to always look out for someone special.

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5) Warrior 1v1s.

When it comes to 1v1: (IMHO) If you can’t win or at least stall them on your own – don’t do them. If you (scroll up) need someone else, your team has to make up for that and they have to fight outnumbered.

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5.5) This is huge, enemy role distraction. I think a lot of teammates do not understand what is happening, so let me explain. Say both teams have a support ele. I go far, to take the 1v1 vs the support ele, …

Fits for every other class.

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6) Of course I am going to leave some fights. Warrior mobility is very high.

You are right. But: That’s not to unique to warris and other classes come with (better) survibility. So that makes them all in all better suited for that. If it’s just about “I block!” – every one can do that.

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8) Team fights. If you see me change target and 100 blades is active, you should probably get on that target. I am pure dps, why would you not change to the target so we can kill it?

Like you wrote yourself: Because it’s not always a good choice. You, as you stated yourself, should be able to adapt. And that means too switching targets, even if you are sooooooo close to the kill.

And don’t take it all personal. Got some anger ’bout egoistic playstyle of the majority of the nowadays rotten community in it as well as thinkin of what I wrote (like you did in favor of warris) as general hints.

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Warrior is the best class in the game at damage. My overall damage numbers and averages have increased substantially in the last 2-3 weeks.

Maybe you are right, we’ll never find out, ‘cause there are no real logs or tools concerning that. But: DPS isn’t everything and dead dps and deeps that needs to get carried…

Idk how to multi quote a single person.

I speak about You instead of me, because it is implied I am doing everything I can to not rely on teammates. But this is a trap statement because this is a team game.

I beg others to help out because, simply put, they are playing helper classes.
I do not understand how engineers, rangers, and elementalists can complain. No my heals are for myself only. Why do you think your heals are AoE? If they weren’t for teammates, then they would only target you.

I am not crying about my class ability here. Imagine if I wrote this post as an elementalist. It would read, " i am doing everything I can to keep you alive, but you are not killing stuff." Nothing I have written is me complaining about the warrior being weak. Here I am asking the support to play stronger so I can do my job better.

If you can’t play the meta, you are not useless. This is some mindset issue with the community. The meta is the best tactic for the pro league, due to its restrictions.
I will not play warrior against dual revenant. There is nothing good that can come of that.

What is the point of a support if they do not support you??
All classes are not created equally. Are you really telling me that the healbot elementalist is not designed to be my heal bot?? Why play support if you are not going to support? Let’s play decap thief and not leave home node. Does that make sense?

Maybe the necro is a better matchup for the 1v1, but the necro is slow. The point of this gamemode is to preserve the nodes. If I run to the point and then the necro has time to get there, this is a team tactic.

It does fit for every class.

Never said warrior is only class with mobility. Not all mobility is created the same. Not all blocks are the same either unfortunately.

I debate number 8. These things are missed a lot in fights. But this will probably devolve into a he said she said.
Don’t worry, I do not take this stuff personal. This is all about discussion and learning for me as well.
Every 100 posts or so, someone teaches me something that I wanted to learn.

DPS isn’t everything, but someone has to do the killing. I agree the metrics in this game are weak. If you do 900k damage, assuming 30k healpools due to healing thats 30 kills a game. Obviously I do not get 30 kills a game. more like 7-15. So it is probably a good chunk of reset health in there as well.

Fivedawgs.4267:

And k pop about us having th vest dps in game, that’s what I tried to tell shin or any other pro warriors, but I always get revs are dps king. Since I don’t play rev, have you compared their dps to ours. Because I am 100% sure, that we are the dps king and we just need a supp to excel at our role. True, our attack are slow and whatever…

I am not one to attack players on forums, but I do not think the condition warrior build is better than the dps build. I think the dps kills 1/2 of classes and the condi one kills the other half of classes.
Rev dps is like thief dps in the sense that is it very targeted. I think the rev has higher burst than warrior. But I also think that if we were both in the fight for the same amount of time, I would be doing more damage. Keeping the warrior alive versus keeping the rev up is what balances this out.

Exos.3472:

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This is an issue with the support classes rezzing the person. No one can be rezzed under super cleaving conditions.

Blowing all three stances simultaneously is generally bad play. Key word generally.
There is usually kiting terrain around that extends your lifetime.

Double bs.

1) the issue is being down, don’t blame the supports for doing their job. You know revs can shadow step and catch you from anywhere.

Theres nothing more annoying than hard focusing a target, being on the verge of killing it only to see it up again because of a kitten rallybot. In my whole experience to legendary, I might have encountered maybe one warrior that wasn’t completely useless (must have been a rampage warri in saphire, stopped seeing warriors in diamond and past that).

2) try kitting a decent rev, I double dare you.

I’ve duelled wars enough to know when you are low on health you are 100% reliant on stances before being dead. And if you’re kitting you aren’t getting the precious heals from the eles. So yeah, what ?

You don’t make any sense.

1) It is unfortunate you have not seen “useful” warriors.
Sounds like you are tunneling on the kill are not thinking about your teams livelihood. This is a common mistake.
I suggest watching pro league. That is the best example of preserving livelihood.
Passing up on the kill is common if it means you are going to wipe.

2) All the time I fight revs. It is legendary division and probably the easiest class to get into legendary. The best way to kite a rev is to run them through your teams damage.
Getting an unsuspecting spike from a rev is hard to mitigate, but that is not a warrior only issue. Phase traversal into precision strike or staff 5 is just an overtuned intro.
You can triple dare me. War vs rev 1v1 is not a metric of wars usefulness.

True I agree, also condi is Def better than power in this meta. But when it comes to power, we can go toe to toe with revs, our survavility is what’s lacking.

Fivedawgs.4267:

True I agree, also condi is Def better than power in this meta. But when it comes to power, we can go toe to toe with revs, our survavility is what’s lacking.

I cannot say I agree with this. It may actually be the source of my success. So many people are worried about condition damage that my power damage is easier to land.
In general I find it is easier to deal with 2 power dealers or 2 condition dealers, but 1 condi and 1 power is pretty tough balance to fight.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Are you really telling me that the healbot elementalist is not designed to be my heal bot??

Nope, it’s designed to be the groups heal bot, since he’s most effective, if he can spread his stuff on as many members as possible – best thing, besides focus, to knock a mancer out (in SoloQ) is to stall him somewhere with his mate away from the 3 others. An ele being your personal healbot is wasted, since his deeps sucks and it’s more like, if you fight a 2v2, like 1,5 vs 2. An engi would be, if you want a personal healer, suit that role much better, but theorycrafting, not the topic…

The problem stays the same: It’s much harder atm to uphold a warri. Anet messed this up and well atm the warris have to suffer. Each time some class has to be at the bottom and yeah, people would complain ’bout “carrying” them.

Plus: Yeah, a mediocre playing nec/rev/engi/guard so on is much easier to uphold and support than a mediocre playing warri (and thief).

Anet thought that warrior would be able to sustain itself with its ""high base health". They thought wrong. Access to long duration blocks, invulnerability, stealth and protection is better than any amount of health that you can have.

Even with 28k health a warrior feels significantly more squishy than a DH with 10k health.

Fivedawgs.4267:

True I agree, also condi is Def better than power in this meta. But when it comes to power, we can go toe to toe with revs, our survavility is what’s lacking.

Hey, I think I was in a bunch of games with and against you today. All were fun, I agree warrior has really nice DPS but, like you say, the survivability is a bit low from what we would expect warrior to have. Regardless, there is no reason to throw a fit when you see a warrior. It’s possible to work with them.

i main warrior, but u have to admit that other class can perform the role better than any warrior, i climb legendary on my alt account w/o hot and i play MM necro. and i cant say how many warriors, i shrug during fight because they have no chance in killing me 1v1. most of warrior i see posting here become stepping stone in my alt climbing legendary division. warrior is in a sad state. but if we ignore it, anet will think they are fine. i say bring the adrenaline back, so it doesnt drain off combat.

I am sorry for people who complain about warrior. I main 3 classes in PVP, so I can switch to class I think is necessary for the team. But when you play with randoms you accept what you have and don’t complain. You can sit all time at point for me. You want to win – you make a team. Good warrior player can smash most of classes (90% of necros don’t bloody know how to play necro). Condi warrior can eat your hp like pancakes in the morning. No1 should complain when playing with pugs, you play what you want. Want team – male team.

Everytime I’m on a warrior and we win a game everyone thinks I got carried and when we lose its the warrior’s fault. I see my team jump into a point with 3 man on it with 2 downed teammates and proceed to die a few seconds later. I target enemies and 100→1% the enemy only to see my team all targetting random people, these are the games where I lose 90% of the time.

Dude there is no winning this.