Guild Wars 2

Tonight I’ve just lost 9 games in a row, did not even win once. First 6 games solo queue, last 3 queue with a buddy who took pit in my losing streak.
I started playing at around 19:30 Eastern Time, Battle of Khylo (300+ score difference, all 3 caps), then two rounds of Temple of storms (all 250+ score difference). It is like this for 9 games until now, which is 0:15 Eastern Time.

I’ve run into a guild premade team at around 23:40 in Forest of Niflhel, we only score 130 points the entire match.

The best game I’ve had out of 9 games I’ve lost tonight is 50 scores apart, that’s the one I queued with the buddy I found.

I don’t have detail on every matches I’ve played tonight, it would mostly be anecdotes.

I play on Sanctum of Rall, NA, account Kuzuryu.7359 on my thief “Vukun”

EDIT: all unranked matches

Reason: We won 500 to 140
Time: 6:12 GMT+1
Map: Temple of the Silent Storm
Arena: Unranked
Datacenter: EU
Account: Zord.6130

I’ll also would like to add that it’s been a lot of matches that my team had a lot of classes stacked (no premades)… is anything under development about the class stacking? With these new dailys it is expected to find more of a certain class than others, HOWEVER having 3 thieves in the same team and having 0 thieves in the other team is definitely something I would not like to see happen very often.

Lovely to see your anti-stack technology is working… One of many stacked games today:

I got a few for you….pay attention to the enemy team player composition in particular.

If you want some unbiased, detailed, quality data from a very active, very mediocre, and semi-intelligent player, well, I typically drink 12yr. Jameson.

I’m just kittening with you, Mr. ODell! I’ll let you know what I get in the next few days. But, the weekends are horrible for soloq. Also, I do appreciate the more (than before) effort you guys seem to be putting into pvp.

I just had a horrible losing streak. Keep getting matched with clueless people and crappy team comp. Hate this crap.

PvP really isn’t very enjoyable when you get matched with 1. clueless people, 2. team comps where you’re at clear disadvantage…I’ve attached four screenshots, each a separate matchup.

And like, honestly, these matchups don’t make sense whatsoever. It’s as if the game really couldn’t just swap one thief on our team for one engi from the other team…instead of us having two thieves and the other party having two engis.

In each of these posted matchups, I remember our team to have lost horribly – like 200:500. All of this is on NA server in ranked arena, under this account.

These occurred at various times between the last month and now – the following times are approximated from the screenshot timestamps.

In order in which they appear:

1/10/2015 5:18PM PST
1/12/2015 12:11AM PST
1/21/2015 6:59PM PST
2/1/2015 12:25AM PST

I really suggest ArenaNet implement this kind of statistics and information gathering on the server instead of relying on us players to give you this kind of feedback. All of the above requested characteristics of bad matches should be able to be captured on the server side.

When a game begins, check party composition in terms of soloers and premades and PvP ranks. If any abnormalities or outliers, log state to database, alert PvP team.

When a game ends with a score differential of > 250, log state to database, alert PvP team.

I don’t suspect this kind of logic is hard to implement on the server – since presumably everyone involved in a match are in the same server instance – so the same code can be run on all instances.

If ArenaNet can’t put this kind of infrastructure in place quickly, then I really fear for the outlook of PvP in this game.

Reason: We lost 500 to 140 (twice in a row)
Time: 9:30 to 10:00 GMT+1
Map: Khylo, then Spirit Watch
Arena: Unranked
Datacenter: EU
Account: Zord.6130

The enemy team was made of “decent” players. My team was made of players that WIPED 4v2 mid.
I kept 2 guys busy at far. An enemy Turret Engi set roots in our close. Only 2 enemy players were holding mid, and yet my team managed to score a complete wipe.
Sometimes I tryhard and carry games easily, but I need at least TWO players to rely on, with proper build and at least some game knowledge. These two times, I could easily admit were the WORST in my entire GW2 experience.
/rant off

I think 500-250 is still solid matchmaking. I´d have to post every 2nd game and even in tournaments this score is quite common on maps that can be controled. Forest is a bit different since the respawn time is too low for a map where you spawn that close to nodes, you just port people around after stomping so here the matches are really messy.

First game:

solo q
temple
Score : 192 -500
11:55 CET
Eu
Blackjack.5621

presumed reason: people playing fun builds in a “competitive” environment cause we lack leagues/divisions/rewards that force people to play to win.

game2:

solo q
Khylo
500-105
Eu
12:10 CET
more funbuilds like venom share thief on my side, yet onesided win for us.

Just had the following:

1+1+1+1+1 vs. 1+4
Khylo
6:00AM EST
Ranked

We had three mesmers on our team against that premade.

3+1+1 vs 5 premade or a 3+2

Can nobody see the inherent value of soloq? I played almost 3k games pure solo and had a better experience.

Inc.
Oh you beat a beat team that was 3+1+1 when you were 2+1+1+1, statistically it makes sense, from a player base, it is completely frustrating justin.

edit 2:
Based on my time of playing I have faced more 2,3,4 queues alone (this will be verified) and a solo player (myself) will be placed with other 2,3,4 queues so it is even technically right? Wrong.

Just please implement solo Q… even if both parties have similar MMR, one party will inevitably have an advantage due to familiarity or voice comm if they are premade. This is especially evident in lower MMR where some people have no clue where they’re going but the other team has a perfect 1-3-1 going on.

We (group of 4) won ranked EU 500-0 at Temple of the Silent Storm.
1st of February 2015 at about 19:00 CET.

Edit: After about waiting 8 minutes for the invite.

Edit2: We (now group of 5) again ranked EU 19:35 CET; 8min queue time; won with 545:0

Justin ODell.9517:

• One team has killer hairs and another has sickly dragons.

I think you’re looking for “hares” not “hairs”…

1. 2 premades vs full solo in Ranked Arena.
   The two premades consisted of PvP players of whom I know or recognize everybody.
   My team with 4 players I’ve seen for the first time doing stuff like capping with a downed guy nearby getting rezzed. Obviously an indication of inexperience.
   Match @ ~8:30PM CET (UTC+1) on EU.
2. Edit: another one – 11:30PM CET (UTC+1) on EU. Same circumstances. Full solo team vs full premade oRNG. Ended in blowout.

Justin, I know it’s not your fault and that you were given literally the worst and hardest job at ANet to make something out of this mess, but it is really mind-boggling. Neither solo queuers nor premades enjoy that.

EU 21.15 gmt+1 (approx) Legacy of Foefire, Ranked, adozu.6398

Match ends 0-500 with the score of every player in the losing team being 0 (no afks or dcs)

NA, 14:32 CST (end), Khylo, Ranked, Sins.4782
Also 15:00 CST (end), Foefire, Ranked

Hey Justin, thanks again for checking what was wrong with my deviation the other day (“wrong” might not be the best word to describe it, but you get what i mean). I feel not enough people thank you for the amount of work you put checking this data for players, it really shows your dedication to making GW2 a better experience for everyone. The community often forgets how spoiled they are in terms of dev communication compared to other games, even during “dry spells”.

So yeah, you’re awesome, keep up the good work, and remember that even the people that are rude or whiny or entitled enjoy the game and what you did for them, they just suck at expressing it :P

Reikou.7068:

Justin ODell.9517:

• One team has killer hairs and another has sickly dragons.

I think you’re looking for “hares” not “hairs”…

Nope. One of my matches yesterday was against a team who ALL had Permanent Hair Stylist Contracts, and they utterly roflstomped us. I made a bald character and it’s unfair that I’m matched against players who all have bigger and more stylish hair than mine. Matchups like those just shouldn’t happen in a game that claims to be esports!
#BringBackBaldArena

What happened with the ready button? I know this isn’t specific to what you asked, still an awful 4v5 match. we still somehow won
GMT is -3, time same as the pic. NA datacenter, this account. Ranked arena.

Justin ODell.9517:

These are the sort of bad matches I’m looking for:

• All solos vs full premade.
• One side wins by a large margin (250+), excluding courtyard.
• One team has killer hares and another has sickly dragons.

It saddens me that the standard bulk of the PvP community has pitted that the reason they lose is because the other team is stacked.

NO kittenING kitten

The reason your team looses is because you are not as good as them.

IT’S PVP. NOT PVE

back in the day for solo q, the excuse was that “my team sucked”
now it’s “their team is better”

Is it as saddening as people that can’t read the post parameters and try to turn it into a debate? I think the intent of the thread was to post example of what you think was an unfair match to see if it is a ltp issue as you propose or actual matchup failure where people are grouped that should never have been. It definitely wasn’t supposed to be a debate thread, now I’m guilty too.

500 to 200
NA
8:35 pm est
Ranked
Temple of the Silent Storm
mysticjedi.6053

642 to 50
NA
8:50 pm est
Ranked
Legacy of Foefire
mysticjedi.6053

Time: 8pm CST
NA
Unranked
Battle of Kyhlo
502-96
On posting account (Foefaller.1082)

Was winning side, but a 400+ margin isn’t really that fun regardless.

Terrible match ranked Q, my teammates zerging svanir or die’ing to him 1v1. Remove PvE from PvP please . so that kitten does not happen.

Time: ~6:35 pm pst
NA
Ranked soloq
Forest
Harbinger.8637

My last match, I’m almost 100% sure everyone was new or new to pvp. It was 500-80. Two people went home on my team. Luckily one of my teammates polity pointed out you don’t need two people capping a point.

Our thief was 1v3 at their homepoint (lol). They eventually got spawned camp until the end of the game, they didn’t even know about the other exit until the game was almost over.

2 games around 10:30 EST sun (feb. 1)

One game 500-170 (I won). Temple of silent storm.
One game 500-100ish (I lost). Foefire.

Posting account (tigerlily.3765).

Two bad games in a row, one where I crushed, one where I was crushed. Oddly enough I seem to get really long queue times during NA prime time (7-11pm EST) and bad games, but when I queue during the day it seems to be a lot better, and WAY shorter queue times. All weekend during primetime I’ve been getting 8 min queues. I think I’m a pretty average player – not super high MMR, and I usually queue with one friend.

good match // bad match is one thing, but I’m also waiting like 7-8 min for the privilege! Doesn’t seem much point to queue again tonight. Thanks.

check my games, we 500-100 ppl, pretty sure other side didn’t enjoy it <_<

my game that just ended at 9:07 pm pacific, NA, this account, was on foefire and it ended about 640-40

Now you have your own dev who can tell you about this fun all solo vs premade ranked queue.

2/1. Finished at 11:54pm CST.

Ended 6:18am server time
Ranked queue, NA
Forest of Niflhel
truthishly.9513

Lost 500-169 or thereabouts. Solo vs partial premades afaik, but the other team wasn’t the issue. My entire team first ran past home, then three of them capped it together, then four of them fought Svanir. The match was pretty much over by that point, but to put the final nail in the coffin, all they did was zerg for the rest of the match, mostly off point, and didn’t seem to be taking it in the slightest bit seriously. Never had the slimmest chance. Also, this was after an 11 minute queue (maybe 2-3 seconds short of 11 min).

Ended 7:35am server time
Ranked queue, NA
Legacy of the Foefire
truthishly.9513

Lost 526-56. Seemed somewhat the result of class distribution, but that didn’t account completely for the ridiculously lopsided score. Losing team had 3 mesmers, a ranger and a necro, all glass except the necro, winning team had 2 mesmers, guardian, ranger, and thief. The other mesmers on my team were not level 80, I think they were level 60 and 44, no idea how much experience they had with the class. May have been the fastest match I’ve ever been a part of.

EU

1. January 18., ??0:34:21 a.m. C.E.T.
2. January 10., ??0:15:15 a.m. C.E.T.
3. January 9., ??23:41:18 p.m. C.E.T.

EU, this account. 2/2/2015, 12:34 PM GMT+1.

Game became a 5v2 after 1m, won 500-60 or so.

Please don’t abuse this thread. Please post ONLY the matches that fulfill the criteria posted by Justin.

Please only use this thread for bug finding and improving the system, not for your personal QQ.

hihey.1075:

EU, this account. 2/2/2015, 12:34 PM GMT+1.

Game became a 5v2 after 1m, won 500-60 or so.

So, three people left because of a bad first engage?
Why should there be a matchmaking problem, if three guys just forfeit?
If they would have continued to play, you could also have taken the victory home, who knows.

Teutos.8620:

Please don’t abuse this thread. Please post ONLY the matches that fulfill the criteria posted by Justin.

Please only use this thread for bug finding and improving the system, not for your personal QQ.

hihey.1075:

EU, this account. 2/2/2015, 12:34 PM GMT+1.

Game became a 5v2 after 1m, won 500-60 or so.

So, three people left because of a bad first engage?
Why should there be a matchmaking problem, if three guys just forfeit?
If they would have continued to play, you could also have taken the victory home, who knows.

I admit, I am a bit tired (haven’t slept the whole night ). Still, your point is valid, Justin did not say anything about forfeits.
(we won though, I was not QQing – not in the sense you meant at least).

2 min. ago…. not much to say, just look at the names. CET 13.50. EU. Ranked

500-72, ~14:15 GMT, NA Unranked.

Two mesmers (not daily) on losing team.

4:30 UCT +2, EU (so basically now). Had several bad matches in a row now on my Guardian

Just won a game 500:50 or something like that…
It was 5v5 and all players were active, so no afking or leavers. But my team (I was soloing) stomped the enemy on every capture point in just mere seconds. The enemy players kept spawn rushing 1v2 or 1v3 the points and were wasted fast.
EU server, the match ended today around 19:00 GMT+2, on this account. It Was ranked legacy of the foefire.

Ended 5:27pm server time
Ranked/NA
Silent Storm
truthishly.9513

Won 500-110. First time I’ve seen a match on this map not get to the 8:30 round of buffs. Other team triple capped their home, then two ran right past me going from home to far. They spent most of the match fighting off point after their initial wipe at mid.

Time: 8:10-8:25PM GMT+1
Map: Legacy of Foefire
Arena: Ranked
Datacenter: EU
Account: eXeD.9738
Score: 500-207

Both teams were solo-queuing I believe, no Lord was killed.

2 matches on Eu. Both happened on Legacy at around 8-9pm

Both full team vs solo q’s.
Dragon ranks vs rank 30-10
Score was 500-5 on one game and 500-150 on the other.

500-60’d a team in full soloq (for my team at least)
darek.1836 about 4:30 ish EST

NA – unranked – game started around 4:48 EST.

See screenshot for score.

Besides the usual match ups, where people leave the mesmer to cap home and deal with 2v1s and still wipe mid, this one stands out as literally the worst matchmaking ever.

Im not even ranked on the leaderboards and I get matched with the full oRNG team?
Ranked Q, 23:30 GMT+1, Legacy of the foefire, this account on EU and I was solo.
Please fix your matchmaking so I can have more fun then give up on games because people double cap.

The game ended 500+ – 90 something, they killed lord and I was typing this.

and just got 500-60d by a 4-premade (all decent players with mmr around mine) in a full soloq team, all of which werent even r80 (definitely low mmr players)

This account, EU, 0:10 AM, Ranked, Legacy of the Foefire

Won 530-160. Both teams were 3+1+1.
Not really fun.