Guild Wars 2

Especially if all they do is focus you and daze/immobilize/blind you non-stop so you either can’t do anything or anything you can do is irrelevant. As a Warrior with 3,467 armor, and roughly 20,000 HP, I still die in like 2-3 seconds, while I can neither fight nor flee. What’s even the point of trying to build defensively if it’s irrelevant?

Things like this are why I play PvP only for the reward tracks, and nothing else. This mode would’ve been all but dead by now without them.

Well that’s your mistake here. Make a zerk warrior and just press Berserk Stance into Rampage when the thieves attack

use double endure pain?

stof.9341:

Well that’s your mistake here. Make a zerk warrior and just press Berserk Stance into Rampage when the thieves attack

Because that will somehow stop the absurd amount of damage they’ll do. And even if that would work, they’ll just stealth spam and run off like the cowards they are, until Rampage/Berserker Stance are done.

choovanski.5462:

use double endure pain?

…Same answer applies here, assuming you’re serious.

two of anything more than likely would have killed you anyways so i dont see the point.

stof.9341:

Well that’s your mistake here. Make a zerk warrior and just press Berserk Stance into Rampage when the thieves attack

And they interrupt your transformation….

Two of most things will kill you, though I guess thieves are worse than some other classes as most classes / builds will not be able to disengage from them, but heh that is what happens when you make a game where it is skilless faceroll to focus a target down because support is limited when you have no healers and there is no DR or immunity on CC. (especially focusing certain classes)

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Thieves specialize in chasing targets and 1v1 duels. Why on earth are you going to engage two of those who forte 1v1 when you are alone? This qq is much more of a stupidity and l2p issue than a legit problem.

So what do you want anet to do with Thieves, nerf them?

Thieves damage now is 100% replaced by old style conditions. As a corollary, two thieves damage will not stack with each other in anyway.

“hey anet please nerf Thief because I died when I was alone versus two Thieves. No it’s not that I am a scrub, really.”

Reinn.7436:

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Thieves specialize in chasing targets and 1v1 duels. Why on earth are you going to engage two of those who forte 1v1 when you are alone? This qq is much more of a stupidity and l2p issue than a legit problem.

So what do you want anet to do with Thieves, nerf them?

Should I also point out that I actively tried to avoid them and they hunted me down anyways? They even waited outside the spawn at one point so I couldn’t avoid them. Thanks for your pointless assumptions with no advice at all.

Like people have said, 2 of any class v 1 of another is deadly. I can sympathize with how frustrating it can sometimes be, trying to deal with Thieves, but Guild Wars 2 is very much a numbers game. If 2 Thieves are going around together taking on 1 target, then that means the rest of their team will be out numbered somewhere else.

Granted they have very good mobility, but your team will have a good chance to overwhlem their other team members, given it could be a 4v3, assuming your team isn’t scattered all over the place.

There’s also the case that Thieves can be taken down really quickly, if they get in the middle of a team fight. Use this to your advantage and try not to run off alone, where the Thieves will pick you off. That is their job after all. Adapt and change your strategy, depending on the team match ups.

Nilkemia.8507:

Reinn.7436:

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Thieves specialize in chasing targets and 1v1 duels. Why on earth are you going to engage two of those who forte 1v1 when you are alone? This qq is much more of a stupidity and l2p issue than a legit problem.

So what do you want anet to do with Thieves, nerf them?

Should I also point out that I actively tried to avoid them and they hunted me down anyways? They even waited outside the spawn at one point so I couldn’t avoid them. Thanks for your pointless assumptions with no advice at all.

You had two thieves spawn camping you?! Please tell the rest of the team took advantage and you won.

I’m not a thief and neither I’m interested in their fate still….I wonder what you were doing alone vs 2 thieves, I believe the following factor apply to your case:

1) Your map awareness is bad
2) Your judgement is equally as bad
3) Your team was just as bad, nobody tried to help you

With 2 thieves in the enemy team, you must forget your rambo roaming antics as thieves have the mobility to quickly change a 1vs1 into a 1vs2 and that’s what they must do

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

You realize that thieves that can burst that quick die from 2-3 hits, rampage and auto on point and thieves have to flee(or die instantly). 2 thieves in enemy team is bonus for your group, you may go downed several times but all in all it is handicap.

I have learned this is just oneof those situations where you grin and bear it because you rotated incorrectly.

On the engineer you can somewhat deal with it. Usually you see them stealth on approach so you know it’s coming. I usually pop my Toolbelt stealth when that happens so they can’t just 2 2 2 me to death right away. Drop some bombs or ft4 on the point, drop any elixir so you are buffed for it when they pop out.

Once they make their play supply crate the point, and just dodge and cleave up and pressure the area. I’m not sure what the warrior equivalent to all this might be but the point is while 2 thrives will generally wipe the floor with me it’s not like they aren’t both half to to thirds dead by the time it’s over with the shouting.

But sometimes I am lucky and can get one of them downed. If that happens I can stomp him and then there’s a chance, but usually I am so drained of resources at that point the remaining thief can just kill me.

2 thieves at far=lost mid(if we compare teams with same skill lvl). That usualy ends with poor rotation and losing a mach. Two thieves team is not viable, they can burst you quick but they lack aoe, utility and support skills. PvP is conquest and you fight on point where is a lot aoe spam. Thief is excelent roamer but more than one is useless

two of any class will kill you unless they are awful players. double endure pain will buy you time, but double zerk is not something you will live through.

If you see two thieves just prepare:

1, bring AoE/cleave weapon for shadow refuge!
2, do not run full offensive build, change your amulette!
3, bring at least two stun breaks
4, bring vigor/energy sigil
5, bring invulnerability/fear/block/etc…

(if you take survivability at least a tiny bit seriously you should have two out of five any way)

This still won’t grant that you stay alive forever against the two of them but give you a fair chance to down one or you last long enough till the help arrives. In the case you got no help but last for like 20 seconds this means your team has the advantage of 4v3 on other points.

Remember:

1, shadow refuge: Aim every AoE there
2, count to two then DODGE
3, if you are stunned with venom break the stun immediately than DODGE
4, blind-chill-cripple around you if you can
5, keep strafing/running in circles
6, do not try to flee against two thieves! One can stay to cap the another going to chase you down. Keep the point contested as long as you can!
7, win the match 500-100

Nilkemia.8507:

Reinn.7436:

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Thieves specialize in chasing targets and 1v1 duels. Why on earth are you going to engage two of those who forte 1v1 when you are alone? This qq is much more of a stupidity and l2p issue than a legit problem.

So what do you want anet to do with Thieves, nerf them?

Should I also point out that I actively tried to avoid them and they hunted me down anyways? They even waited outside the spawn at one point so I couldn’t avoid them. Thanks for your pointless assumptions with no advice at all.

Based on how you open your thread without any relative constructive questions on how you deal with thieves and how you respond to the following ppl who attempted to help you out in this thread, it is obvious that I can’t take you seriously at all.

Check out how you started off with ahh thieves are this and that much better if the game is without them qq. Lol

Ask your mates to camp other points if you’re outnumbered.
Thieves that are running zerk builds are nerfed, survivability was nerfed to the ground prior to June patch.

If you still have a problem with that then seriously l2p, scrub.

Reinn.7436:

Based on how you open your thread without any relative constructive questions on how you deal with thieves and how you respond to the following ppl who attempted to help you out in this thread, it is obvious that I can’t take you seriously at all.

Then why are you even replying?

If you still have a problem with that then seriously l2p, scrub.

“l2p, scrub”. You have any idea how toxic that makes you look? Things like that only make my thoughts on PvP even worse. Only good for the reward tracks…

Nilkemia.8507:

“l2p, scrub”. You have any idea how toxic that makes you look? Things like that only make my thoughts on PvP even worse. Only good for the reward tracks…

Do you have any idea how toxic you complain against thieves? Then go play sPvP for reward tracks no one is stopping you.

Srsly, You want to complain against the thief class? Go to the thief subforum and post there so the thieves themselves will help you with your concern, rather than posting here and crying like a baby quaggan. Lol

Time your whirlwind attack so that u can get em to roughly 50% before u die

Two thieves at once = almost a guaranteed loss in conquest matches

abc.5790:

Two thieves at once = almost a guaranteed loss in conquest matches

^this(ofc witch anet matchmaking it isn’t so obvious)

I bet you would die instantly vs 2 Shatter Mesmers too.

Sagat.3285:

Nilkemia.8507:

Reinn.7436:

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Thieves specialize in chasing targets and 1v1 duels. Why on earth are you going to engage two of those who forte 1v1 when you are alone? This qq is much more of a stupidity and l2p issue than a legit problem.

So what do you want anet to do with Thieves, nerf them?

Should I also point out that I actively tried to avoid them and they hunted me down anyways? They even waited outside the spawn at one point so I couldn’t avoid them. Thanks for your pointless assumptions with no advice at all.

You had two thieves spawn camping you?! Please tell the rest of the team took advantage and you won.

Got to agree here. The best defense is telling the rest of your team in team chat to take advantage of the fact that two thieves are hanging near your spawn and not being useful to their team.

When I get trolled and chased all over map by two players I go ‘Haha we are winning 4vs3 haha’.

Though most of the times when that happens my team is pretty crappy and are doing the same thing while enemy team has all points. meh… Just my luck. Two thiefs are not fun but I have seen worse combo and that is one mesmer and one Thief doing great teamwork. Thief stealth them both and as the thief initiate the attack the mesmer finnish it and then the thief stealths and you are dead. The only thing you will se is clones and phantasms flying around. When I am attacked by thiefs only I atleast get the chance to react most of the time.

Terrorsquad.4802:

I bet you would die instantly vs 2 Shatter Mesmers too.

Absolutely wrong!

Just one is needed.

Guess which team won in this recent match

3 ele? Holy kitten

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

ummm..

Two fresh air burst ele’s will kill you instantly, you can see them coming.
Two medi guardians will quickness burst you, you will see them coming
Two rangers can burst you down from range, you may see them coming
Two burst engi’s can CC you to death while burst you down, you wont be able to fight back
Two lich forms with destroy you, If you dont see that your blind

The point is.
Two of any class WILL kill you, if they coordinate a spike.
Two of any coordinated player will kill you.

If you run with no defense and no awareness, then sorry, you set yourself up to fail vs two of ANY glasscannon class.

I don’t see why you are complaining about fighting a 2 v 1 and dying, next time bring a friend. I hear MM necro tanks are in this season. :I

Reinn.7436:

3 ele? Holy kitten

obviously the team with the mesmer won

/s

As in 2 thieves = death of a teams chances to win

Yes thats true….otherwise rampage the point while your team easily wins mid

Solori.6025:

Reinn.7436:

3 ele? Holy kitten

obviously the team with the mesmer won

/s

He got it!

I’ve been quite vocal about the disadvantages of having 2 thieves in a team. But mesmers are so good they could make up for it. I guess it also helped that one of our thieves understood map rotations. Most commit what the OP complained about.

As others have said, 2 thieves might instant kill you, but having 2 thieves on a team is pretty much asking for a loss. At the same time, 2 bad thief players would probably be one of the easiest 1vs2s.

2 of anything vs 1 is a death….. unless those 2 are extremely bad and you are better than them (i won a fight as thief vs 2 medi guards pre patch, still can’t believe it myself….O_O)

op is troll. sigh.

press rampage and win

Nilkemia.8507:

Especially if all they do is focus you and daze/immobilize/blind you non-stop so you either can’t do anything or anything you can do is irrelevant. As a Warrior with 3,467 armor, and roughly 20,000 HP, I still die in like 2-3 seconds, while I can neither fight nor flee. What’s even the point of trying to build defensively if it’s irrelevant?

Things like this are why I play PvP only for the reward tracks, and nothing else. This mode would’ve been all but dead by now without them.

You already said it: what is the point? What’s even the point of trying to build defensively? This is why i play pvp in other game that is challenging, fun and reward skill-play, hard-work and hard-effort.

My suggestion to you:

" Never waste your time on things that does not value your time "
" Never waste your time on things that does not value your effort and hard work "

That is all.

If a 2v1 happen and the 2 don’t suck, you die. That’s it. There is nothing to complain about.

Avoid 2v1s. /thread

I thought this thread was going to be about if you have 2 thieves on your team, you’re guaranteed to lose. That’s been my experience 90% of the time this has happened.

No kitten, sherlock.
You dense son of a kitten.

If you have trouble playing against thieves just watch some thief gameplay or play as a thief a couple of times to learn their skills. You can anticipate them much easier then.

But still, this irrelevant post and the absolute ignorance the OP brought to the table are just staggering.

You’ve got 2x Endure Pain, more than enough time for you to get support…

lol this post is so pathetic i just can’t stop laughing xD
omg i just got ganked by to thieves and i wasn’t smart enough to hit endure pain and/or berserkers stance,
let me guess, next move will be, two mesmers are too strong, they shattered me in 2-3 seconds
3 rangers just killed me, way too op
omg man, l2p xD

Win: 2 thieves how know to rotate points (+1 and backcap), and 3 cele/bunker

Lose: Anything else

^ My experience

The fact that you’re running that amount of armor and health basically says: “I’m a scrub”.

if you have 2 thieves on you, you should die. it would be stupid if you can tank 2 high burst rogue type classes