Guild Wars 2

Mesmer, Thief, and Ele need more unblockable options that fit within their meta builds. For example thief has to go condition to use it’s unblock able traps. Thief especially could use some more trait based unblockable options.

Agreed. I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again, backstab needs to be unblockable. It doesn’t make sense thematically how a backstab can be blocks when the opposition doesn’t know it’s coming. Again, BACKSTAB NEEDS TO BE UNBLOCKABLE. Off hand dagger 5 should also be unblockable. Heartseeker when target has above 25% health should be unblockable. Cluster bomb should also be unblockable. The amount of passive blocks in this game is childish and giving more unblockable attacks can help mature PvP.

Condi mesmer doesn’t need unblockable kitten lol

Why do i get the feeling this is a DH whine thread.

Not condi mesmer power mesmer and realistically guardians have a trap that gives 2-4k unblockable damage on low CD and Judment which is technically two since it interupts channeled blocks and its initial strike is unblockable Warrior has the ability to be unblockable for 6 seconds. Mesmer and thief are limited however in their unblockables and they already deal less damage than warrior or DH burst wise. And no this is not a Nerf DH thread. Warrior has blocks, Rev has a ton of blocks Guardian and mesmer have blocks. I don’t understand however, why the lower damage classes have been denied unblockables while the higher damage classes are handed them like candy . At least add unblockables to elementalist. Like a skill that says magic cannot be blocked or something. What I’m suggesting is pretty reasonable since it is not a nerf it is a buff that 1. Wont increase damage. 2.Wont nerf anything since it is a buff.

No matter how much you ask for something or anything related to balance, the pvp team cant do a single thing about it, and the reason that is, is because they aren’t in charge of balance.

Been asking for a while, devs nerfed stealth attacks (thus buffed blocks) and basi venom as response :/ Dat logic.

Things that shovel posted are not so bad, although i don’t agree with all. I think if you hit with stealth attack from behind and it crits it should be unblockable but have ICD.

Don’t agree with HS. It is already quite decent spells, it doesn’t need more tweaks.

I wouldn’t make cluster bomb unblockable but make projectile faster.

CnD would be great as unblockable however it would need dmg nerf then otherwise it would be bit too powerful.

We could indeed use some modifying trats. However, the only universal tool (applies to all specs) thieves have is steal and it is already too stuffed :/

Access to both blocks, and unblockables, and what it costs (or should cost) to have them in your build are HUGE balance decisions that should not be made lightly.

If you feel there are to many blocks (without sufficient cost), perhaps the answer isnt to increase the number of unblockables across the board. But instead reduce the number of blocks, or potentially their durations/passivity.

If thief gets an unblockable backstab, they should take away the caltrop/vault spamability. To make up for it

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Yes game needs even more powercreep and needs even more of skilless mechanics like unblockable….

I dont think that any of your mentioned professions should get more unblockable stuff.

zinkz.7045:

Yes game needs even more powercreep and needs even more of skilless mechanics like unblockable….

What do u expect? You think it’s fine as is? Because boy you are madly mistaken. This is exactly the problem we have with PvP atm. People need to realize the power creep is not going away thus we need to bring the classes that are being left behind (literally the only class being left behind is thief) and bring them on par with all the other classes. Do you honestly think that giving classes more options to deal with blocks is power creep? If anything that’s dealing with the power creep.

Zelulose.8695:

Mesmer, Thief, and Ele need more unblockable options that fit within their meta builds. For example thief has to go condition to use it’s unblock able traps. Thief especially could use some more trait based unblockable options.

What will happen to skills like this that already count for nothing?

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Shield

Do people forget the existence of other game modes like WvW?

I mean yesterday we had this Kodash vault staff/caltrops full dodges thief able to dodge every 0.5s, immune to immobilize, unCCeable…no dmg..but was able to stall 10 people from capping a camp..and we tried everything: immobilze traps, range CC,everything but…he was literally 100% dodge mode

Thief in wvw is not a “sheep” as it appears in PvP..it’s not even a wolf anymore…it evolved to a kittening dinosaur

I mean this is what thieves are capable off in wvw…buffs across the board would kill this game on the same day..you want buff thief?..do whatever..just restrict the buffs to pvp pls

I have said thief perma evade needs to be nerfed I’m sorry you suffered the build. If you look at my post history you will notice a class and build trend that I have been trying to request a shave for. They are things players like you complain about. I only complain about what makes people frustrated in tpvp right now. Namely Thief spamming evades, DH, Chrono condi, Condi/cc warrior, Herald/Invocation Rev, and two special ones the immortal Scrapper and Druid. Players dont always have a problem with all of these but they definitely hate one of these. Personally I enjoy rolling around on my thief but I understand when something right needs to be done.

Supreme.3164:

Zelulose.8695:

Mesmer, Thief, and Ele need more unblockable options that fit within their meta builds. For example thief has to go condition to use it’s unblock able traps. Thief especially could use some more trait based unblockable options.

What will happen to skills like this that already count for nothing?

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Shield

Do people forget the existence of other game modes like WvW?

I mean yesterday we had this Kodash vault staff/caltrops full dodges thief able to dodge every 0.5s, immune to immobilize, unCCeable…no dmg..but was able to stall 10 people from capping a camp..and we tried everything: immobilze traps, range CC,everything but…he was literally 100% dodge mode

Thief in wvw is not a “sheep” as it appears in PvP..it’s not even a wolf anymore…it evolved to a kittening dinosaur

I mean this is what thieves are capable off in wvw…buffs across the board would kill this game on the same day..you want buff thief?..do whatever..just restrict the buffs to pvp pls

Yeah, I love how thieves community still keeps on whining about how underpowered they are.

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Cynz.9437 Thief is not point holder in sPvP, his job is decap and assassinate targeted player. When you want play bruiser reroll on other charracter.

Evilek.5690:

Cynz.9437 Thief is not point holder in sPvP, his job is decap and assassinate targeted player. When you want play bruiser rerol on other charracter.

Every other class nowdays can decap and “assassinate”. Also what part of thief is assassinate nowadays? Even if i gank DH for example and he doesn’t see me coming, i probably still won’t be able to kill him unless he is bad.

Same goes with rev – he gotta be pretty bad to lose to a thief.

Same goes for engi.

Same goes for druid.

Same goes for necro – sure you can kill them but it is hardly assassination. More like slowly killing a whale.

Only class you can reliably “assassinate” is… other thieves.

Great i can get to point 1 sec faster than druid. Not a big help really. Nothing stops DHs from porting either. Nor revs. Nor mesmers. The only slowpoke class in entire game is necro.

This whole logic with “it’s thieves job to roam/decap/assassinate” died the moment devs created revs and gave everyone and their mother myriad passives and extra mobility (e.g. druids got RTL on 15 sec CD).

Also, this logic is garbage as long as class stacking exists in current matchmaking. What are you gonna do with 3-4 thieves on team and enemy team is not exactly stupid?

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

But warrior has the ability to be unblockable for 6 seconds and does much more damage than thief. I don’t see anyone complaining about that yet.

The issue is there are allot of tanky thieves around lately. (Refering to classes with more damage than thief and more sustain). Warrior for example doesn’t die instantly and out damages a thief in burst and sustained damage. Thief is like half a warrior and paper. It dies fast and cant even preform sustained burst because it is locked into running/surviving the whole time it doesn’t even have to be focused right now it just has to be in the wrong aoe field at the wrong time.

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Mp_Q68ERM

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

Read my comment above.

Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.

As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~

Cynz is right on this one it is either nerf defenses or buff offensives. I would much rather nerf defenses than buff offenses but I would accept either one.

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Mp_Q68ERM

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

Read my comment above.

Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.

As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~

First Point

If you want to go toe to toe with all other professions then… we must nerf your profession first so that you can’t run away at will when things go south.
Just to remind you that elementalist ride the lightning was nerfed to stop ele from running away when things were bad.

-Guardian can’t run away either if losing, like ele they must stay there eating dirt..till the end, hence the bunkering sustain ( alas it was deleted from ele)

Hey you want to play a brawler that looks like an assassin?..that’s fine for me, we just need to delete the assassin part from thief aka: stealth on demand, shortbow 5 etc etc

Second Point

To defend your point..you always use ESL as a meter, but when attacking a point..you use your day to day soloQ experience. That’s rather convenient don’t you think?

At ESL levels there are no 3-4 DH teams, neither people dieing to traps, am I right?

Third Point

Anet doesn’t nerf because it’s the right thing to do..they nerf because it makes pvers happy and GW2 combat system was adapted for pvers, the casuals that want easy rewards..now, no tomorrow..now

I have no doubts that anet will nerf dh sustain/dmg..they did the same with ele and engi..even if by far less in their case.

But don’t kid yourself, something like unblockable backstab may be given to you because you’re considered a pver…not because you actually deserve it, you’re considered a casual that needs extra help to succeed, the game gets watered down to make things “fun” for you..I bet your stealth brawler type with direct dmg, spells and conditions will look a lot like your Skyrim character..I’m glad for you.

Fourth Point

MMO =/ Single player game

Each profession has a role..if you don’t like the role, you reroll, another company would tell you to reroll if the 1vs1 brawler is what you want…but have no fears, anet will bend over for the thief community..after all they’re only after your money.

I’m sure that you’ll have fun playing your invisible stalker hitting unaware players for 5k+ unblockable dmg..then you will tell them to L2P

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Mp_Q68ERM

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

Read my comment above.

Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.

As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~

First Point

If you want to go toe to toe with all other professions then… we must nerf your profession first so that you can’t run away at will when things go south.
Just to remind you that elementalist ride the lightning was nerfed to stop ele from running away when things were bad.

-Guardian can’t run away either if losing, like ele they must stay there eating dirt..till the end, hence the bunkering sustain ( alas it was deleted from ele)

Hey you want to play a brawler that looks like an assassin?..that’s fine for me, we just need to delete the assassin part from thief aka: stealth on demand, shortbow 5 etc etc

Second Point

To defend your point..you always use ESL as a meter, but when attacking a point..you use your day to day soloQ experience. That’s rather convenient don’t you think?

At ESL levels there are no 3-4 DH teams, neither people dieing to traps, am I right?

Third Point

Anet doesn’t nerf because it’s the right thing to do..they nerf because it makes pvers happy and GW2 combat system was adapted for pvers, the casuals that want easy rewards..now, no tomorrow..now

I have no doubts that anet will nerf dh sustain/dmg..they did the same with ele and engi..even if by far less in their case.

But don’t kid yourself, something like unblockable backstab may be given to you because you’re considered a pver…not because you actually deserve it, you’re considered a casual that needs extra help to succeed, the game gets watered down to make things “fun” for you..I bet your stealth brawler type with direct dmg, spells and conditions will look a lot like your Skyrim character..I’m glad for you.

Fourth Point

MMO =/ Single player game

Each profession has a role..if you don’t like the role, you reroll, another company would tell you to reroll if the 1vs1 brawler is what you want…but have no fears, anet will bend over for the thief community..after all they’re only after your money.

I’m sure that you’ll have fun playing your invisible stalker hitting unaware players for 5k+ unblockable dmg..then you will tell them to L2P

Let’s use your logic here for a second, Guardian has been designed to be a support class with the amount of Aoe heal/blocks/reflects and boon sharing they should have all damage nerfed they weren’t designed for bruiser builds, the same with Druid currently their role is for support/bunker they should remove their damage. By your logic the only classes designed as bruisers should be Warrior, Rev, Engie. Then you have Roamers/decap Mesmer vies for the same spot as Thief at +1 decap but no one complains that they can sit and fight on point, and is one of the best 1v1 specs currently.

This is how ridiculous you sound…..

the old s/d could hold and contest node’s. no chance now wven with the dd line.

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Mp_Q68ERM

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

Read my comment above.

Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.

As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~

First Point

If you want to go toe to toe with all other professions then… we must nerf your profession first so that you can’t run away at will when things go south.
Just to remind you that elementalist ride the lightning was nerfed to stop ele from running away when things were bad.

-Guardian can’t run away either if losing, like ele they must stay there eating dirt..till the end, hence the bunkering sustain ( alas it was deleted from ele)

Hey you want to play a brawler that looks like an assassin?..that’s fine for me, we just need to delete the assassin part from thief aka: stealth on demand, shortbow 5 etc etc

Second Point

To defend your point..you always use ESL as a meter, but when attacking a point..you use your day to day soloQ experience. That’s rather convenient don’t you think?

At ESL levels there are no 3-4 DH teams, neither people dieing to traps, am I right?

Third Point

Anet doesn’t nerf because it’s the right thing to do..they nerf because it makes pvers happy and GW2 combat system was adapted for pvers, the casuals that want easy rewards..now, no tomorrow..now

I have no doubts that anet will nerf dh sustain/dmg..they did the same with ele and engi..even if by far less in their case.

But don’t kid yourself, something like unblockable backstab may be given to you because you’re considered a pver…not because you actually deserve it, you’re considered a casual that needs extra help to succeed, the game gets watered down to make things “fun” for you..I bet your stealth brawler type with direct dmg, spells and conditions will look a lot like your Skyrim character..I’m glad for you.

Fourth Point

MMO =/ Single player game

Each profession has a role..if you don’t like the role, you reroll, another company would tell you to reroll if the 1vs1 brawler is what you want…but have no fears, anet will bend over for the thief community..after all they’re only after your money.

I’m sure that you’ll have fun playing your invisible stalker hitting unaware players for 5k+ unblockable dmg..then you will tell them to L2P

1. Ok sure, but then thieves should be at least on same level as revs and mes. Because those are roamers and have great sustain to hold a point. Would anyone like it? Doubt it. And we did have bruiser type of point holder build (s/d) which got gutted and simply lost the run in powercreep race due to lack of attention from dev team.

Druids have RTL on 15 sec, what’s your explanation to it? As druid i can easily cover 2 points with it.

Once again, your whole logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist as they are.

2. At least i bring PVP experience not some wvw in that doesn’t have ANYTHING with pvp.

3. When was last time Anet did anything that thief community asked for? They did indeed nerf the crap out of the class every time average Joe went on wvw forums to QQ.Also, how is stealth attacks nerf have to do ANYTHING with pve.

4. Sure, i would accept that thief has certain role IF other profs couldn’t fill and it bring more to the table at the same time. Once again your logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist and other profs have access to multiple gap closers.

Anet NEVER EVER did anything for thieves, EVER. Their only response was always either nerfs after nerfs or slight buffs that nobody asked for and that often didn’t change anything for thieves.

I am sick and tired of getting flamed and harassed every day just because i play thief class. I can play something else, play like crap, nobody says a word. I play thief – someone talking crap to me is guaranteed. I was called named, i was told to uninstall, i was told to kill myself, people afk’d and ragequit matches before match even started because i didn’t want to reroll. WHY IS THIS OK? DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS NOT CLASS BALANCE ISSUE? It was never this bad until HoT came out.

Last season, when DHs weren’t in such great spot i haven’t experienced a single time when they got flamed by team. I bet that block list from thief players is probably longer than from anyone else. But hey, thieves are fine, just don’t put them on my team, right?

Not every profession is made for every game mode. There lies the problem. They cannot be valid and balanced in all game modes.

alain.1659:

Not every profession is made for every game mode. There lies the problem. They cannot be valid and balanced in all game modes.

Yes they can and they had the means to do it since launch, they were able to separate class balance based upon game mode, they chose not to and one of the most prominent reasons was they thought it would be to hard for the player’s to understand.

Instead of adding more unblockables, lower the amount of block in the game

Malediktus.9250:

Instead of adding more unblockables, lower the amount of block in the game

You think we didn’t ask for it since HoT realease?

How much blocking is there in game? The only profession that I see with a lot of blocks is guardian.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

alain.1659:

Not every profession is made for every game mode. There lies the problem. They cannot be valid and balanced in all game modes.

Yes they can and they had the means to do it since launch, they were able to separate class balance based upon game mode, they chose not to and one of the most prominent reasons was they thought it would be to hard for the player’s to understand.

No they can’t. The end. You are talking about a game company which could not and cannot fix the core bugs in the game for more than two years. Same company that needs to fix its kitten patch at least four times. I do not think that same company can balance the professions in all game modes, hence, “they cannot”.

And Warrior, Mesmer, Engie, Revenant….. Guardians have a lot of Aegis which gives them more blocks than just the Focus 5 and Shield blocks and Mace blocks.

alain.1659:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

alain.1659:

Not every profession is made for every game mode. There lies the problem. They cannot be valid and balanced in all game modes.

Yes they can and they had the means to do it since launch, they were able to separate class balance based upon game mode, they chose not to and one of the most prominent reasons was they thought it would be to hard for the player’s to understand.

No they can’t. The end. You are talking about a game company which could not and cannot fix the core bugs in the game for more than two years. Same company that needs to fix its kitten patch at least four times. I do not think that same company can balance the professions in all game modes, hence, “they cannot”.

Yes they can, will the put the resources to fix actual root causes? So far has been shown no, if they would have split balance since the beginning we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now, they can balance on all three modes hey just won’t, since it will take to many resources. There is a big difference between can and wont

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Mp_Q68ERM

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

Read my comment above.

Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.

As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~

First Point

If you want to go toe to toe with all other professions then… we must nerf your profession first so that you can’t run away at will when things go south.
Just to remind you that elementalist ride the lightning was nerfed to stop ele from running away when things were bad.

-Guardian can’t run away either if losing, like ele they must stay there eating dirt..till the end, hence the bunkering sustain ( alas it was deleted from ele)

Hey you want to play a brawler that looks like an assassin?..that’s fine for me, we just need to delete the assassin part from thief aka: stealth on demand, shortbow 5 etc etc

Second Point

To defend your point..you always use ESL as a meter, but when attacking a point..you use your day to day soloQ experience. That’s rather convenient don’t you think?

At ESL levels there are no 3-4 DH teams, neither people dieing to traps, am I right?

Third Point

Anet doesn’t nerf because it’s the right thing to do..they nerf because it makes pvers happy and GW2 combat system was adapted for pvers, the casuals that want easy rewards..now, no tomorrow..now

I have no doubts that anet will nerf dh sustain/dmg..they did the same with ele and engi..even if by far less in their case.

But don’t kid yourself, something like unblockable backstab may be given to you because you’re considered a pver…not because you actually deserve it, you’re considered a casual that needs extra help to succeed, the game gets watered down to make things “fun” for you..I bet your stealth brawler type with direct dmg, spells and conditions will look a lot like your Skyrim character..I’m glad for you.

Fourth Point

MMO =/ Single player game

Each profession has a role..if you don’t like the role, you reroll, another company would tell you to reroll if the 1vs1 brawler is what you want…but have no fears, anet will bend over for the thief community..after all they’re only after your money.

I’m sure that you’ll have fun playing your invisible stalker hitting unaware players for 5k+ unblockable dmg..then you will tell them to L2P

1. Ok sure, but then thieves should be at least on same level as revs and mes. Because those are roamers and have great sustain to hold a point. Would anyone like it? Doubt it. And we did have bruiser type of point holder build (s/d) which got gutted and simply lost the run in powercreep race due to lack of attention from dev team.

Druids have RTL on 15 sec, what’s your explanation to it? As druid i can easily cover 2 points with it.

Once again, your whole logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist as they are.

2. At least i bring PVP experience not some wvw in that doesn’t have ANYTHING with pvp.

3. When was last time Anet did anything that thief community asked for? They did indeed nerf the crap out of the class every time average Joe went on wvw forums to QQ.Also, how is stealth attacks nerf have to do ANYTHING with pve.

4. Sure, i would accept that thief has certain role IF other profs couldn’t fill and it bring more to the table at the same time. Once again your logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist and other profs have access to multiple gap closers.

Anet NEVER EVER did anything for thieves, EVER. Their only response was always either nerfs after nerfs or slight buffs that nobody asked for and that often didn’t change anything for thieves.

I am sick and tired of getting flamed and harassed every day just because i play thief class. I can play something else, play like crap, nobody says a word. I play thief – someone talking crap to me is guaranteed. I was called named, i was told to uninstall, i was told to kill myself, people afk’d and ragequit matches before match even started because i didn’t want to reroll. WHY IS THIS OK? DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS NOT CLASS BALANCE ISSUE? It was never this bad until HoT came out.

Last season, when DHs weren’t in such great spot i haven’t experienced a single time when they got flamed by team. I bet that block list from thief players is probably longer than from anyone else. But hey, thieves are fine, just don’t put them on my team, right?

And the question is…why don’t you play a bruiser class?

If it’s fine for you to lose all things that make thief what it is..just to play a bruiser, you can easily swap class, there is no need to transform the thief in a rev 2.0.
You can make a rev and call it “Thief”…why do you want to play thief so badly if 1vs1 brawling is what you seek?

There is not need for all this rage, just answer the question why do you want to play a thief so badly if you can swap to a revenant?

Could it be that thieves wants all the goodies of thieves…plus all the goodies that professions like rev get?..I can’t be that blind..can I?

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Mp_Q68ERM

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

Read my comment above.

Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.

As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~

First Point

If you want to go toe to toe with all other professions then… we must nerf your profession first so that you can’t run away at will when things go south.
Just to remind you that elementalist ride the lightning was nerfed to stop ele from running away when things were bad.

-Guardian can’t run away either if losing, like ele they must stay there eating dirt..till the end, hence the bunkering sustain ( alas it was deleted from ele)

Hey you want to play a brawler that looks like an assassin?..that’s fine for me, we just need to delete the assassin part from thief aka: stealth on demand, shortbow 5 etc etc

Second Point

To defend your point..you always use ESL as a meter, but when attacking a point..you use your day to day soloQ experience. That’s rather convenient don’t you think?

At ESL levels there are no 3-4 DH teams, neither people dieing to traps, am I right?

Third Point

Anet doesn’t nerf because it’s the right thing to do..they nerf because it makes pvers happy and GW2 combat system was adapted for pvers, the casuals that want easy rewards..now, no tomorrow..now

I have no doubts that anet will nerf dh sustain/dmg..they did the same with ele and engi..even if by far less in their case.

But don’t kid yourself, something like unblockable backstab may be given to you because you’re considered a pver…not because you actually deserve it, you’re considered a casual that needs extra help to succeed, the game gets watered down to make things “fun” for you..I bet your stealth brawler type with direct dmg, spells and conditions will look a lot like your Skyrim character..I’m glad for you.

Fourth Point

MMO =/ Single player game

Each profession has a role..if you don’t like the role, you reroll, another company would tell you to reroll if the 1vs1 brawler is what you want…but have no fears, anet will bend over for the thief community..after all they’re only after your money.

I’m sure that you’ll have fun playing your invisible stalker hitting unaware players for 5k+ unblockable dmg..then you will tell them to L2P

1. Ok sure, but then thieves should be at least on same level as revs and mes. Because those are roamers and have great sustain to hold a point. Would anyone like it? Doubt it. And we did have bruiser type of point holder build (s/d) which got gutted and simply lost the run in powercreep race due to lack of attention from dev team.

Druids have RTL on 15 sec, what’s your explanation to it? As druid i can easily cover 2 points with it.

Once again, your whole logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist as they are.

2. At least i bring PVP experience not some wvw in that doesn’t have ANYTHING with pvp.

3. When was last time Anet did anything that thief community asked for? They did indeed nerf the crap out of the class every time average Joe went on wvw forums to QQ.Also, how is stealth attacks nerf have to do ANYTHING with pve.

4. Sure, i would accept that thief has certain role IF other profs couldn’t fill and it bring more to the table at the same time. Once again your logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist and other profs have access to multiple gap closers.

Anet NEVER EVER did anything for thieves, EVER. Their only response was always either nerfs after nerfs or slight buffs that nobody asked for and that often didn’t change anything for thieves.

I am sick and tired of getting flamed and harassed every day just because i play thief class. I can play something else, play like crap, nobody says a word. I play thief – someone talking crap to me is guaranteed. I was called named, i was told to uninstall, i was told to kill myself, people afk’d and ragequit matches before match even started because i didn’t want to reroll. WHY IS THIS OK? DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS NOT CLASS BALANCE ISSUE? It was never this bad until HoT came out.

Last season, when DHs weren’t in such great spot i haven’t experienced a single time when they got flamed by team. I bet that block list from thief players is probably longer than from anyone else. But hey, thieves are fine, just don’t put them on my team, right?

And the question is…why don’t you play a bruiser class?

If it’s fine for you to lose all things that make thief what it is..just to play a bruiser, you can easily swap class, there is no need to transform the thief in a rev 2.0.
You can make a rev and call it “Thief”…why do you want to play thief so badly if 1vs1 brawling is what you seek?

There is not need for all this rage, just answer the question why do you want to play a thief so badly if you can swap to a revenant?

Could it be that thieves wants all the goodies of thieves…plus all the goodies that professions like rev get?..I can’t be that blind..can I?

The thief was designed to be the best 1v1 roamer, then QQ and power creep, became involved and Revenant was made taking the best of thief and guardian. We want back what thief was and should be. It wouldn’t be making Rev 2.0 it would just be making thief what it was designed to be again.

Cynz.9437:

Malediktus.9250:

Instead of adding more unblockables, lower the amount of block in the game

You think we didn’t ask for it since HoT realease?

I read the forums daily, but the chance for Anet listening is like 1% in my experience. So repeating something often helps

Yes, let’s add more unblockable skills and powercreep to the game instead of reducing the amount of blocks and powercreep.

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Evilek.5690:

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.

Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.

Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Cynz.9437:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.

There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.

Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?

Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.

Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.

Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.

Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?

And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….

Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?

You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Mp_Q68ERM

This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….

More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon

Read my comment above.

Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.

As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~

First Point

If you want to go toe to toe with all other professions then… we must nerf your profession first so that you can’t run away at will when things go south.
Just to remind you that elementalist ride the lightning was nerfed to stop ele from running away when things were bad.

-Guardian can’t run away either if losing, like ele they must stay there eating dirt..till the end, hence the bunkering sustain ( alas it was deleted from ele)

Hey you want to play a brawler that looks like an assassin?..that’s fine for me, we just need to delete the assassin part from thief aka: stealth on demand, shortbow 5 etc etc

Second Point

To defend your point..you always use ESL as a meter, but when attacking a point..you use your day to day soloQ experience. That’s rather convenient don’t you think?

At ESL levels there are no 3-4 DH teams, neither people dieing to traps, am I right?

Third Point

Anet doesn’t nerf because it’s the right thing to do..they nerf because it makes pvers happy and GW2 combat system was adapted for pvers, the casuals that want easy rewards..now, no tomorrow..now

I have no doubts that anet will nerf dh sustain/dmg..they did the same with ele and engi..even if by far less in their case.

But don’t kid yourself, something like unblockable backstab may be given to you because you’re considered a pver…not because you actually deserve it, you’re considered a casual that needs extra help to succeed, the game gets watered down to make things “fun” for you..I bet your stealth brawler type with direct dmg, spells and conditions will look a lot like your Skyrim character..I’m glad for you.

Fourth Point

MMO =/ Single player game

Each profession has a role..if you don’t like the role, you reroll, another company would tell you to reroll if the 1vs1 brawler is what you want…but have no fears, anet will bend over for the thief community..after all they’re only after your money.

I’m sure that you’ll have fun playing your invisible stalker hitting unaware players for 5k+ unblockable dmg..then you will tell them to L2P

1. Ok sure, but then thieves should be at least on same level as revs and mes. Because those are roamers and have great sustain to hold a point. Would anyone like it? Doubt it. And we did have bruiser type of point holder build (s/d) which got gutted and simply lost the run in powercreep race due to lack of attention from dev team.

Druids have RTL on 15 sec, what’s your explanation to it? As druid i can easily cover 2 points with it.

Once again, your whole logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist as they are.

2. At least i bring PVP experience not some wvw in that doesn’t have ANYTHING with pvp.

3. When was last time Anet did anything that thief community asked for? They did indeed nerf the crap out of the class every time average Joe went on wvw forums to QQ.Also, how is stealth attacks nerf have to do ANYTHING with pve.

4. Sure, i would accept that thief has certain role IF other profs couldn’t fill and it bring more to the table at the same time. Once again your logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist and other profs have access to multiple gap closers.

Anet NEVER EVER did anything for thieves, EVER. Their only response was always either nerfs after nerfs or slight buffs that nobody asked for and that often didn’t change anything for thieves.

I am sick and tired of getting flamed and harassed every day just because i play thief class. I can play something else, play like crap, nobody says a word. I play thief – someone talking crap to me is guaranteed. I was called named, i was told to uninstall, i was told to kill myself, people afk’d and ragequit matches before match even started because i didn’t want to reroll. WHY IS THIS OK? DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS NOT CLASS BALANCE ISSUE? It was never this bad until HoT came out.

Last season, when DHs weren’t in such great spot i haven’t experienced a single time when they got flamed by team. I bet that block list from thief players is probably longer than from anyone else. But hey, thieves are fine, just don’t put them on my team, right?

And the question is…why don’t you play a bruiser class?

If it’s fine for you to lose all things that make thief what it is..just to play a bruiser, you can easily swap class, there is no need to transform the thief in a rev 2.0.
You can make a rev and call it “Thief”…why do you want to play thief so badly if 1vs1 brawling is what you seek?

There is not need for all this rage, just answer the question why do you want to play a thief so badly if you can swap to a revenant?

Could it be that thieves wants all the goodies of thieves…plus all the goodies that professions like rev get?..I can’t be that blind..can I?

Thieves used to be able to fight some classes reliable. It was all taken away due to QQ spam and HoT realease. They effectively deleted the class so they can create artificial demand for revs and increase sales.

I did play rev, i did play other classes. The playstyle is just not fun and doesn’t fit me. Besides if players have to reroll it means devs did poor job, simple as it is. Why should player be punished for devs poor decisions?

Also why should bruisers have higher dmg and mobility than so called assassin class, can you explain me this? Because right now this is the case.

Malediktus.9250:

Cynz.9437:

Malediktus.9250:

Instead of adding more unblockables, lower the amount of block in the game

You think we didn’t ask for it since HoT realease?

I read the forums daily, but the chance for Anet listening is like 1% in my experience. So repeating something often helps

Usually just gets you banned because apparently asking for same thing over and over again is bannable offense.

Yeah L2P. It’s not like warrior can stealth…. lol if you can’t kill a warrior as a thief dude .. idk

give thieves all the unblockables they want… i main Necro, not like its going to make a difference to me!!!!

Zelulose.8695:

Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.

Thief counters Revenant. In a 1v1 scenario unless outplayed the Thief should be winning. I say that as a Thief.

Guardian does indeed hard counter thief, and Warrior can counter thief is they run Rousing resilience and Demolisher amu or something similar.

I have no issue with the rest of your statement.

For the love of any bit of balance left in this game DO NOT make more unblockable skills! All it does is remove the thinking people have to do when fighting any class with blocks, because why care? they don’t to anything anyways and your skills will just go right through it. Also, when your blocking your usually not attacking, so what, you want them to basically be sitting ducks? If anything Tone down the myriad of unblockable skills in the game and leave the ones that require a lot of investment to get.

Example of what I think should stay:
-Revenant phase traversal since it takes almost all of your energy
-Guardian pulls since there is an icon on your bar so you know before you block that you can get pulled

Example of what should go:
-Thief Shadow Shot, nothing this spammable should be unblockable
-Corrupt Boon should be blockable by blocks that aren’t aegis since its on a low 15 sec cd so it deserves some counter play

Dr Patrik.3642:

For the love of any bit of balance left in this game DO NOT make more unblockable skills! All it does is remove the thinking people have to do when fighting any class with blocks, because why care? they don’t to anything anyways and your skills will just go right through it. Also, when your blocking your usually not attacking, so what, you want them to basically be sitting ducks? If anything Tone down the myriad of unblockable skills in the game and leave the ones that require a lot of investment to get.

Example of what I think should stay:
-Revenant phase traversal since it takes almost all of your energy
-Guardian pulls since there is an icon on your bar so you know before you block that you can get pulled

Example of what should go:
-Thief Shadow Shot, nothing this spammable should be unblockable
-Corrupt Boon should be blockable by blocks that aren’t aegis since its on a low 15 sec cd so it deserves some counter play

The damage isn’t unblockable on Shadow Shot but good try the Blind is unblockable.

Dr Patrik.3642:

For the love of any bit of balance left in this game DO NOT make more unblockable skills! All it does is remove the thinking people have to do when fighting any class with blocks, because why care? they don’t to anything anyways and your skills will just go right through it. Also, when your blocking your usually not attacking, so what, you want them to basically be sitting ducks? If anything Tone down the myriad of unblockable skills in the game and leave the ones that require a lot of investment to get.

Example of what I think should stay:
-Revenant phase traversal since it takes almost all of your energy
-Guardian pulls since there is an icon on your bar so you know before you block that you can get pulled

Example of what should go:
-Thief Shadow Shot, nothing this spammable should be unblockable
-Corrupt Boon should be blockable by blocks that aren’t aegis since its on a low 15 sec cd so it deserves some counter play

Passive blocks require so much thought though, am I right?