Guild Wars 2

Is it so bad to have close competitive matches? Seriously.

Took me awhile to learn my lesson regarding pvp in mmorpgs. I was stuck in Neverwinter for longer than i care to admit, perpetually chasing the next tier of pvp gear and the latest top enchantments just so I wouldnt be at a disadvantage when I queue. I was blind to the blatant class imbalance and the intended inequality that the devs imposed on the players in order to boost sales. GW2 doesnt sell you gear, Arenanet’s goals are more complex and their actions more subtle. Still they refuse to aknowledge class stacking and the fact that pemades stomp pugs way too often. This tells me the pvp in GW2 is heading in a bad direction and I need to gtfo. So thats what im doing.

Nobody said close competitive matches are bad. Unranked doesn’t offer competitive matches though, you could be teamed with ESL players or total newbs because of the way the matchmaking system works.

For some people it’s like fighting 4 NPCs and 1 player while having 4 NPCs yourself. That’s not fun or competitive. The quality of team mates and enemies vary far too greatly to be of any fun.

Season 2 ranked had its own share of problems but so does unranked.

pepsis.5384:

Took me awhile to learn my lesson regarding pvp in mmorpgs. I was stuck in Neverwinter for longer than i care to admit, perpetually chasing the next tier of pvp gear and the latest top enchantments just so I wouldnt be at a disadvantage when I queue. I was blind to the blatant class imbalance and the intended inequality that the devs imposed on the players in order to boost sales. GW2 doesnt sell you gear, Arenanet’s goals are more complex and their actions more subtle. Still they refuse to aknowledge class stacking and the fact that pemades stomp pugs way too often. This tells me the pvp in GW2 is heading in a bad direction and I need to gtfo. So thats what im doing.

Oh I think they acknowledge it at least a little bit, I feel like they just don’t care that much about solo players, they removed solo queue just so premade teams could get more matches since they weren’t getting a lot when solo and team queue were separated. And that gave team players more matches and easier wins but solo players got the short end of the stick on that deal. And by all the changes they did to the game it looks like they are leaning more towards making team players more happy than solo players, for example removing solo queue from pvp, making it impossible to do anything with a solo person guild, focusing so much attention on fractals and raids, making HoT maps impossible to do solo and so on. Not much you can do except try to enjoy it as much as you possibly can, join some kind of group or quit. I know I don’t play anywhere near as much as I used to.

fishball.7204:

Nobody said close competitive matches are bad. Unranked doesn’t offer competitive matches though, you could be teamed with ESL players or total newbs because of the way the matchmaking system works.

For some people it’s like fighting 4 NPCs and 1 player while having 4 NPCs yourself. That’s not fun or competitive. The quality of team mates and enemies vary far too greatly to be of any fun.

Season 2 ranked had its own share of problems but so does unranked.

I agree that SOME matches are bad in unranked but as you can see from my screen shot you also get some matches that are VERY close. And personally I find way more close and competitive matches in unranked than in the current ranked. That’s why I probably won’t ever play ranked again. But I sure can’t wait until they put ranked back so people can finally stop begging for it, and so I can remove my pvp tag thing it’s really annoying me and doesn’t match my outfits at all.

i love long close games. The most fun. If i lose by 20 points im not even mad. I say GG WP and move to next game. If i win by 20 points its also GG WP. Both teams usually say it also so its not just me.

Ellie.5913:

fishball.7204:

Nobody said close competitive matches are bad. Unranked doesn’t offer competitive matches though, you could be teamed with ESL players or total newbs because of the way the matchmaking system works.

For some people it’s like fighting 4 NPCs and 1 player while having 4 NPCs yourself. That’s not fun or competitive. The quality of team mates and enemies vary far too greatly to be of any fun.

Season 2 ranked had its own share of problems but so does unranked.

I agree that SOME matches are bad in unranked but as you can see from my screen shot you also get some matches that are VERY close. And personally I find way more close and competitive matches in unranked than in the current ranked. That’s why I probably won’t ever play ranked again. But I sure can’t wait until they put ranked back so people can finally stop begging for it, and so I can remove my pvp tag thing it’s really annoying me and doesn’t match my outfits at all.

i dont think you understand. I have matches where I can easily win 1v2’s while my team loses 2v1’s to the same players. Literally if you got the average skill of the other 4 on my team, put that skilled player as a 5th instead of me, my team would get 500-0’d undoubtedly. Instead we win 500-400 because I can farm the extremely horrible players on the other team while my team loses fights.
Just because it’s clsoe doesn’t make it even close to fun. They don’t even understand what to do when you TELL them what to do. Like it’s actually so frustrating it kittenes me off. I’ve only done less than 10 unranked qs since offseason started but its by far the most annoying thing I’ve had to do in a while. I don’t mind being blown out 500-100 if it means I’m vs pro league players with at least tier 3 players on my team.

I’ve had closer/semi-better games in unranked than ranked last season, but not necessarily for good reasons.

Close games don’t mean they’re better games. I see a lot of REALLY dumb mistakes being made constantly that drag out games that should be quick. I see a ton of people actively leaving bases to go fight in the middle of a field, I see thieves constantly kittening up literally every aspect of how they should be playing (if I ever see a team with 2+ thieves on it, I know for a fact that team will lose 95% of their games). I just see a lot of people that don’t grasp general concepts, which I guess isn’t that far removed from ranked.

Honestly, most close games are because the good players are just kittening around testing builds while the bad players continue to sabotage their team and make games closer than they should be.

Booms.2594:

Ellie.5913:

fishball.7204:

Nobody said close competitive matches are bad. Unranked doesn’t offer competitive matches though, you could be teamed with ESL players or total newbs because of the way the matchmaking system works.

For some people it’s like fighting 4 NPCs and 1 player while having 4 NPCs yourself. That’s not fun or competitive. The quality of team mates and enemies vary far too greatly to be of any fun.

Season 2 ranked had its own share of problems but so does unranked.

I agree that SOME matches are bad in unranked but as you can see from my screen shot you also get some matches that are VERY close. And personally I find way more close and competitive matches in unranked than in the current ranked. That’s why I probably won’t ever play ranked again. But I sure can’t wait until they put ranked back so people can finally stop begging for it, and so I can remove my pvp tag thing it’s really annoying me and doesn’t match my outfits at all.

i dont think you understand. I have matches where I can easily win 1v2’s while my team loses 2v1’s to the same players. Literally if you got the average skill of the other 4 on my team, put that skilled player as a 5th instead of me, my team would get 500-0’d undoubtedly. Instead we win 500-400 because I can farm the extremely horrible players on the other team while my team loses fights.
Just because it’s clsoe doesn’t make it even close to fun. They don’t even understand what to do when you TELL them what to do. Like it’s actually so frustrating it kittenes me off. I’ve only done less than 10 unranked qs since offseason started but its by far the most annoying thing I’ve had to do in a while. I don’t mind being blown out 500-100 if it means I’m vs pro league players with at least tier 3 players on my team.

Had to quote it in full because all is so true. The exact same thing happens in League of Legends and reading your post was balm for my soul. Today I won games because I could farm 3 enemies at once, my 4 (!) other guys lose against two. We won closely, but it felt like I had 5% less kittenedness on my side and thus winning. They do not speak English at all, like they are bots and keep continuing their awful gameplay or whatever that might be called.. But was this fun? No. I score a double kill, enemy scores a double kill. Actually, it was like (1vs4) vs (1vs4).

I wish you wouldn’t have said that because now I put back my plans to try PvP in this game yet again. It’s like wanting to buy a house but you know there’s mold and rats. If they fix that, I will gladly try this feature of GW2..

Zedek.8932:

Booms.2594:

Ellie.5913:

fishball.7204:

Nobody said close competitive matches are bad. Unranked doesn’t offer competitive matches though, you could be teamed with ESL players or total newbs because of the way the matchmaking system works.

For some people it’s like fighting 4 NPCs and 1 player while having 4 NPCs yourself. That’s not fun or competitive. The quality of team mates and enemies vary far too greatly to be of any fun.

Season 2 ranked had its own share of problems but so does unranked.

I agree that SOME matches are bad in unranked but as you can see from my screen shot you also get some matches that are VERY close. And personally I find way more close and competitive matches in unranked than in the current ranked. That’s why I probably won’t ever play ranked again. But I sure can’t wait until they put ranked back so people can finally stop begging for it, and so I can remove my pvp tag thing it’s really annoying me and doesn’t match my outfits at all.

i dont think you understand. I have matches where I can easily win 1v2’s while my team loses 2v1’s to the same players. Literally if you got the average skill of the other 4 on my team, put that skilled player as a 5th instead of me, my team would get 500-0’d undoubtedly. Instead we win 500-400 because I can farm the extremely horrible players on the other team while my team loses fights.
Just because it’s clsoe doesn’t make it even close to fun. They don’t even understand what to do when you TELL them what to do. Like it’s actually so frustrating it kittenes me off. I’ve only done less than 10 unranked qs since offseason started but its by far the most annoying thing I’ve had to do in a while. I don’t mind being blown out 500-100 if it means I’m vs pro league players with at least tier 3 players on my team.

Had to quote it in full because all is so true. The exact same thing happens in League of Legends and reading your post was balm for my soul. Today I won games because I could farm 3 enemies at once, my 4 (!) other guys lose against two. We won closely, but it felt like I had 5% less kittenedness on my side and thus winning. They do not speak English at all, like they are bots and keep continuing their awful gameplay or whatever that might be called.. But was this fun? No. I score a double kill, enemy scores a double kill. Actually, it was like (1vs4) vs (1vs4).

I wish you wouldn’t have said that because now I put back my plans to try PvP in this game yet again. It’s like wanting to buy a house but you know there’s mold and rats. If they fix that, I will gladly try this feature of GW2..

Not to derail or anything, but that means you should be following your team around to keep them alive unless you absolutely have to go clean up a lane elsewhere. If you’re there to bulldozer through every fight that your teammates stumble into, they’ll get assist gold and eventually become built enough to stand on their own.

Well there is a few people on this game that actually like blow out matches where the other team does not stand a chance, but I’m positive there’s more people who prefer a close competitive match where both sides has to try and both sides actually have a chance of wining. If you don’t stand a chance of winning because of your match up that just defeats the whole purpose of playing. And that’s why you’ll see more and more people quitting pvp because of the few who want to keep things the way they are and not make anything fair or worth wasting time doing. I don’t even think a child would agree to play a game if you told them…. here lets play a game, I’m going to win of course and you stand absolutely no chance at all of winning and I’m going to beat you really badly but lets play it anyways. Pretty sure they’d start crying and run away to go do something else, but here we have adults/teenagers wanting to play such games and actually think its the way it should be…It just blows my mind.

You entirely miss the point of what everybody wrote here and shifted the complaint to the system of Season 2 which most people agree is not perfect.

Unranked pits you entirely random people to mash up the MMR evenly on both sides and gives people varying quality of players which isn’t fun for good players or bad players.

It can’t be fun being a non-factor in the match and it can’t be fun hard carrying 4 other people who are worse than you.

A good system would be to put 5 similar skilled players together and have them fight 5 similar skilled players. That would make the wins feel worthwhile and nobody in the teams would feel like they got carried or carried because everyone is of similar skill level.

Just because Ranked S2 matchmaking was bad doesn’t make unranked matchmaking GOOD. Please understand this.

fishball.7204:

You entirely miss the point of what everybody wrote here and shifted the complaint to the system of Season 2 which most people agree is not perfect.

Unranked pits you entirely random people to mash up the MMR evenly on both sides and gives people varying quality of players which isn’t fun for good players or bad players.

It can’t be fun being a non-factor in the match and it can’t be fun hard carrying 4 other people who are worse than you.

A good system would be to put 5 similar skilled players together and have them fight 5 similar skilled players. That would make the wins feel worthwhile and nobody in the teams would feel like they got carried or carried because everyone is of similar skill level.

Just because Ranked S2 matchmaking was bad doesn’t make unranked matchmaking GOOD. Please understand this.

Actually it does, unranked matchmaking is better than ranked for competitive players. What YOU need to do is separate confounding factors( such as someone’s moods, oh I only play unranked to have fun, I am trying a build) from the actual match making. Sure, the MM isn’t perfect, but I’ll garantee you that 99.9% of the games, 2 weeks post patch, works the way you describe them (equal Skill vs equal skill) 5 vs 5. Now a 19 trying a new class or build might bring him down to 5 ot boost his rating, that still doesn’t mean that the player isn’t a 10.

The only way to fix this, is to bring back class MMR, but I rather not ….

I don’t know what hes talking about, I find way more fun competitive matches in unranked than current ranked… At least my team doesn’t get farmed at the bottom of the base in unranked soon as they leave like they did in ranked. That is pure insanity. I’d say most of the people who experienced that probably quit already so you won’t hear them complaining, most of the complaints about unranked is most likely from the people who were doing the farming in ranked. So i can understand them complaining now that things are more even and they have to try more, but don’t worry I’m sure ranked will start back up soon.

Ellie.5913:

I don’t know what hes talking about, I find way more fun competitive matches in unranked than current ranked… At least my team doesn’t get farmed at the bottom of the base in unranked soon as they leave like they did in ranked. That is pure insanity. I’d say most of the people who experienced that probably quit already so you won’t hear them complaining, most of the complaints about unranked is most likely from the people who were doing the farming in ranked. So i can understand them complaining now that things are more even and they have to try more, but don’t worry I’m sure ranked will start back up soon.

I’ve just stopped PvPing. I’ve been logging in less and less. I only really do dailies, and some WvW, now that Anet has managed to breathe life back into it. The sPvP though, I’ve just stopped, as I haven’t found it fun for a while now.

Been looking at Battleborn and Overwatch for PvP.

Unranked matchmaking works most of the time. Yes sometimes you get a too large gap. The better you are the more you notice.
And i always said that class mmr is needed. Especially in ranked. When i play my main class there is a huge diffrence. I have fun runing test builds and class training in unranked. My mmr seems to reflect it. When i pick my main class i play 90% of all matches, only use this in ranked and wvw roaming. Then i encounter the described. I had a match yesterday. Wanted to do daylies in one match fast … IT was fast …. I destroyed all oposition and killed in 1:2 within 20 seconds. Propably no fun for the victims.
So a tipp: If you are a good player maybe pick a class you are not good ….

What Booms said. I have the same type of experiences in unranked.

This link and the links there-in, explain the problems with how unranked match making works: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/High-MMR-Punished-For-Solo-Que-2/first#post6130512

Zynt.5769:

Ellie.5913:

I don’t know what hes talking about, I find way more fun competitive matches in unranked than current ranked… At least my team doesn’t get farmed at the bottom of the base in unranked soon as they leave like they did in ranked. That is pure insanity. I’d say most of the people who experienced that probably quit already so you won’t hear them complaining, most of the complaints about unranked is most likely from the people who were doing the farming in ranked. So i can understand them complaining now that things are more even and they have to try more, but don’t worry I’m sure ranked will start back up soon.

I’ve just stopped PvPing. I’ve been logging in less and less. I only really do dailies, and some WvW, now that Anet has managed to breathe life back into it. The sPvP though, I’ve just stopped, as I haven’t found it fun for a while now.

Been looking at Battleborn and Overwatch for PvP.

That’s mostly what I do these days too, log in do both pvp daily wins then lose interest and leave, unless I’m extremely bored and just don’t have anything else I wanna do or procrastinating from doing laundry and stuff XD If they added some different reward tracks or something that has something useful in it I think that would make it more interesting to play more. But I really don’t need any more dungeon armor, weapons or tokens or anything else that those reward tracks have, we really need some new ones with better things in them, maybe some more reward tracks that have black lion chest keys in em that’d be nice.

This is an interesting question. Mid season unranked matchmaking was pretty good, despite a beginner here and there most people knew what they were doing, nobody gave a crap about builds or team composition.
We just played what we liked and it worked.
Whilst in ranked we had ‘mmr hell’ we just played the game and had reasonably close matches.

Now, between the seasons with all the ’competitive’s flooding back into unranked most matches end up being very onesided, duplicate classes are being blamed for losses and, in contrast to what you would exspect, there are a lot more bad players around.
Worse yet, nobody takes it serious.
As soon as a team gets stomped at mid someone stopped playing or started raging.
I have seen a pug team afk’ing the entire match because they had a dc.

In other words: when ranked was available, they had matchmaking problems due to a lot of bad players.
When ranked became unavailable unranked started to have matchmaking problems due to a lot of bad players.
Strange coincidence.
But of course ranked is competitive. Only the best even go there. Worse players are scared of the competition and rather train then farming the extra rewards and the meaningless ranks.
(lol)

Asrat.2645:

This is an interesting question. Mid season unranked matchmaking was pretty good, despite a beginner here and there most people knew what they were doing, nobody gave a crap about builds or team composition.
We just played what we liked and it worked.
Whilst in ranked we had ‘mmr hell’ we just played the game and had reasonably close matches.

Now, between the seasons with all the ’competitive’s flooding back into unranked most matches end up being very onesided, duplicate classes are being blamed for losses and, in contrast to what you would exspect, there are a lot more bad players around.
Worse yet, nobody takes it serious.
As soon as a team gets stomped at mid someone stopped playing or started raging.
I have seen a pug team afk’ing the entire match because they had a dc.

In other words: when ranked was available, they had matchmaking problems due to a lot of bad players.
When ranked became unavailable unranked started to have matchmaking problems due to a lot of bad players.
Strange coincidence.
But of course ranked is competitive. Only the best even go there. Worse players are scared of the competition and rather train then farming the extra rewards and the meaningless ranks.
(lol)

Actually a LOT of new players who don’t usually play pvp were playing ranked because of the shiny back piece they wanted so bad. Trust me I know because I was put on full teams of them until I finally just quit. And I don’t see an issue with them playing there but they definitely shouldn’t be playing as a full team of newbies(minus 1 or 2) against a full team of very experienced players. That’s crazy.

(I was being ironic)

That is why i miss ranked. In higher divisions a lot of matches were actually fun and close.

Unranked are just such snooze fest most of the time.

Asrat.2645:

(I was being ironic)

Oh my bad, I have trouble understanding what you are trying to say most of the time for some reason >.<

Ellie.5913:

Asrat.2645:

(I was being ironic)

Oh my bad, I have trouble understanding what you are trying to say most of the time for some reason >.<

Probably since english is not my native language and I draw 80% of my language skills from forums, games, movies and southpark. Nonetheless I try voice my opinions in an ‘educated’ way and like to use complicated words and grammatical constructions.

This sounds like the same debate people had over Season 1 matchmaking.

High MMR players complained because they’d be teamed up with Low MMR players, so they’d have to carry their team to victory. It ended up feeling like you were playing a single player game with terrible AI teammates, and trying to do better than the high MMR player on the other team (who also had terrible AI teammates). Improving your MMR just made the matchups harder for yourself.

In unranked, winning matters a lot less, so I’ve found less of a problem here. Rather, the problem becomes what Booms described: the High MMR player ends up just farming the other teams’ low MMR players, which isn’t particularly challenging or fun for the High MMR player.

Low MMR players largely enjoyed the Season 1 and Unranked system because they generally win more games. More importantly, the snowball factor helps the low MMR players feel like they’re contributing a lot to the win, even in situations where they’re being carried. (E.g., the high-MMR player wins a 1v2 at far and then successfully +1s another fight, and now the low-MMR players can zerg around and win a bunch of 4v2s or 2v1s, cap points, and rack up high personal scores).

yeah idk what everyone is talking about. unranked matchmaking is the best. Love farming them noobs.

Vicky.4563:

yeah idk what everyone is talking about. unranked matchmaking is the best. Love farming them noobs.

It gets tiring pretty fast.

I don’t know, I quite enjoy the challenge of playing with my monitor off and going by sound alone. I can understand why TCG tried it last pro league.

A close score doesn’t equal a fun and competitive match.

most of the unranked games i get equals to the quality like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPRAWJpt-B8

which is basically zero fun because its just a clown fiesta

Close matches should be the goal. It makes us all better players when we have to dig deep to pull out a win. When I’m down 300+points I generally just run into fights to test my mettle.

Vicky.4563:

I don’t know, I quite enjoy the challenge of playing with my monitor off and going by sound alone. I can understand why TCG tried it last pro league.

LOL

I’m having a lot of fun in unranked. The matches feel more balanced then ranked.

Burn.5401:

A close score doesn’t equal a fun and competitive match.

If a close score doesn’t equal a competitive match what does?

I am with Ellie on this. I much prefer matches that take a bit of effort, strategy, and skill than complete blow outs either team.

In season 2, I had a hellish time in Sapphire. My win/loss ratio was quite literally 50/50 most of the time. I was stuck in T4 sapphire for about 4 weeks. Once I hit Ruby, I felt a huge change in matches. People communicated (omg what is that! No one ever usually communicates! :P), I felt much more support from team mates, I felt that ‘team spirit’ you should always have (IMO). That was probably because in Ruby there’s more to lose, though I also felt, really felt I learned a lot too in that division. I felt the pace of the games was higher, and much more competitive and therefore fun. I went through on a huge win streak of 12 matches in a row before my downward spiral started again.

The point I am making here is, these matches in Ruby were closer, for example 506-405, 500-336, there were zero 500s-20s, or silly wash outs like that, and I honestly believe it was better and was also therefore much more fun. There was also a lot less ‘giving up’ and that was great to see. Giving up is something I absolutely hate because I have been in matches where you think there’s no hope, yet you’ve turned it round to win.

If you’re playing PvP to annihalate the other team and have it over fast then, to me, that’s not competitive play nor the way it should be played imo.

Finally, unranked is hell. As people have said, you can come up against anyone. My hubby and I play on our alt accounts. On our alt accounts we are both deer rank. We come up against dragon ranks, bunny ranks, dolly ranks, and we are either annihalated, or we annihalate the other team and in no way whatsoever is that fun. On our main accounts its the same but we are the dragons.

Earlier today I had a game where an ele kited 3 of my teammates around close for 5 minutes. I’m not kidding it was 5 minutes. They were just going around in circles near a point capped by my team. He wasn’t even trying decap or something like that and he was a really good player. No matter how much i tried i couldn’t make them move – and when i went to kill him 4v1 running out of other options it was fine until he came back – we couldn’t hold 2 points no matter what and I was playing condi ranger so I couldn’t carry the game outnumbered by 2 people on the rest of the map.

I honestly laughed my kitten off when I saw what happened. But I don’t want to play these kind of games. Nor do I want to play 4v5 and 5v4 which seem to happen extremely often. Dc, afk or high pings and I just wait around for the game to end…It’s a disaster. I shouldn’t play in the same team as a warr who waited around close at the beginning of the match until svanir spawned so he can beat him (he wasn’t the one capping the point – he just sat for over a minute and half waiting near where svanir spawns). His version of pvp and mine don’t have anything in common. Why am I left with only the choice of playing with these kind of teammates?

I’m not playing pvp to just screw around – nor do I consider winning 1v3 with a makeshift build on warr ‘fun’. Seriously annoying that games are so random and I’m playing less and less because I don’t wanna queque just to hope that out of five games maybe one will somewhat decent.

One last thing: the only values unranked had are gone: newbies get flamed and destroyed instantly without any chance to ‘have fun’ or learn the game, I don’t want to test builds since playing is random enough and after so many people ruin my games I don’t wanna do the same to others (sometimes the need ‘to carry games’ seems more powerful than during ranked last season) and toxicity is just through the roof. I can’t even control myself sometimes and I realize I’m ending up playing just to get angry. This is especially because people wanting to have casual fun and people wanting to play a serious match are grouped together – what other conclusion could this have anyway?

I just got kittened at by my team because I was defending home.

They need to absolutely remove PvP dailies, or force people into hotjoin or something. It’s just depressing how completely inept the vast majority of unranked players are. They’re in it for the deathmatch and winning is just a bonus.

drcraig.9403:

Burn.5401:

A close score doesn’t equal a fun and competitive match.

If a close score doesn’t equal a competitive match what does?

Fighting with and against players close to your skill level. And no that doesn’t always result in a close score.

Unranked matchmaking is horrible, people couldnt care less in 90% of my matches.
I give you a quote from just 30 minutes ago, enjoy the mentality of unranked:

“I just try to do daily stupid stuff while talking in guild, i dont even care xD " – Player that spent about 60% of the match AFK.

QUESTION… (just throwing it out there)…

People continue to go on about the huge complaints that are made (and I’m guilty of it too) of being put with people with a lower MMR than themselves…

How do you/we/I know they are lower MMR? We can’t check? We don’t know our current MMR when entering those games… People have bad days, including me…

Obviously we all know when our team sucks, and we all know when the opposition sucks, but when complaining about being put with people who are lower MMR than us, how do we actually know that, as fact? It’s presumption based on game-play and unless you get those people time and time again and they continue to suck, we don’t actually know.

That said, unranked still sucks LOL.

Marius.3185:

Earlier today I had a game where an ele kited 3 of my teammates around close for 5 minutes. I’m not kidding it was 5 minutes. They were just going around in circles near a point capped by my team. He wasn’t even trying decap or something like that and he was a really good player. No matter how much i tried i couldn’t make them move – and when i went to kill him 4v1 running out of other options it was fine until he came back – we couldn’t hold 2 points no matter what and I was playing condi ranger so I couldn’t carry the game outnumbered by 2 people on the rest of the map.

I honestly laughed my kitten off when I saw what happened. But I don’t want to play these kind of games. Nor do I want to play 4v5 and 5v4 which seem to happen extremely often. Dc, afk or high pings and I just wait around for the game to end…It’s a disaster. I shouldn’t play in the same team as a warr who waited around close at the beginning of the match until svanir spawned so he can beat him (he wasn’t the one capping the point – he just sat for over a minute and half waiting near where svanir spawns). His version of pvp and mine don’t have anything in common. Why am I left with only the choice of playing with these kind of teammates?

I’m not playing pvp to just screw around – nor do I consider winning 1v3 with a makeshift build on warr ‘fun’. Seriously annoying that games are so random and I’m playing less and less because I don’t wanna queque just to hope that out of five games maybe one will somewhat decent.

One last thing: the only values unranked had are gone: newbies get flamed and destroyed instantly without any chance to ‘have fun’ or learn the game, I don’t want to test builds since playing is random enough and after so many people ruin my games I don’t wanna do the same to others (sometimes the need ‘to carry games’ seems more powerful than during ranked last season) and toxicity is just through the roof. I can’t even control myself sometimes and I realize I’m ending up playing just to get angry. This is especially because people wanting to have casual fun and people wanting to play a serious match are grouped together – what other conclusion could this have anyway?

I literally couldn’t agree more. And, for the start of your post, I have been that kind of ele, and it’s not fun for me either. I don’t enjoy winning in such a cheesy way just because the skills are stupid.

Burn.5401:

drcraig.9403:

Burn.5401:

A close score doesn’t equal a fun and competitive match.

If a close score doesn’t equal a competitive match what does?

Fighting with and against players close to your skill level. And no that doesn’t always result in a close score.

Maybe 95% of those games are close?? Assuming both camps have a supp… I mean unless the other camp isn’t following the meta, those games are always close.

Celine.6857:

QUESTION… (just throwing it out there)…

People continue to go on about the huge complaints that are made (and I’m guilty of it too) of being put with people with a lower MMR than themselves…

How do you/we/I know they are lower MMR? We can’t check? We don’t know our current MMR when entering those games… People have bad days, including me…

Obviously we all know when our team sucks, and we all know when the opposition sucks, but when complaining about being put with people who are lower MMR than us, how do we actually know that, as fact? It’s presumption based on game-play and unless you get those people time and time again and they continue to suck, we don’t actually know.

That said, unranked still sucks LOL.

Gameplay and division. And yes i get same people a lot and i see their division in HotM. They even say themself they are new to pvp and just started. I had match other day, a druid came with me and started double cap home. I told him go mid, support team. He apologized and said he is new to this. I felt so bad for him. I played over 5k matches, some enemies on our team probably too. He got farmed so hard all match. We won but i wonder if he actually enjoyed the match.

Besides it is not normal that i can 100-0 revs, scrappers and chrono as thief. In unranked it happens a lot.

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

QUESTION… (just throwing it out there)…

People continue to go on about the huge complaints that are made (and I’m guilty of it too) of being put with people with a lower MMR than themselves…

How do you/we/I know they are lower MMR? We can’t check? We don’t know our current MMR when entering those games… People have bad days, including me…

Obviously we all know when our team sucks, and we all know when the opposition sucks, but when complaining about being put with people who are lower MMR than us, how do we actually know that, as fact? It’s presumption based on game-play and unless you get those people time and time again and they continue to suck, we don’t actually know.

That said, unranked still sucks LOL.

Gameplay and division. And yes i get same people a lot and i see their division in HotM. They even say themself they are new to pvp and just started. I had match other day, a druid came with me and started double cap home. I told him go mid, support team. He apologized and said he is new to this. I felt so bad for him. I played over 5k matches, some enemies on our team probably too. He got farmed so hard all match. We won but i wonder if he actually enjoyed the match.

Besides it is not normal that i can 100-0 revs, scrappers and chrono as thief. In unranked it happens a lot.

But, you can be dragon rank and have a kitten MMR, right? And, I can be in Ruby or above and have horrendous loss streaks that lower my MMR time after time… gameplay doesn’t really tell you much unless you play with them time after time.

So I still don’t see how honestly we can tell what our team mates or opponents’ MMR is.

[edit] my query was just about people ‘guessing’ that they are matched with lower skilled players than them, and wasn’t about how unbalanced unranked is.

Generally my matches in unranked haven’t been bad but yesterday had one where we lost the mid fight and within a couple minutes i had 2 team mates AFK in base for the rest of the match.

because of the unranked nature some people will just give up to easily since there are no pips to lose.

Celine.6857:

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

QUESTION… (just throwing it out there)…

People continue to go on about the huge complaints that are made (and I’m guilty of it too) of being put with people with a lower MMR than themselves…

How do you/we/I know they are lower MMR? We can’t check? We don’t know our current MMR when entering those games… People have bad days, including me…

Obviously we all know when our team sucks, and we all know when the opposition sucks, but when complaining about being put with people who are lower MMR than us, how do we actually know that, as fact? It’s presumption based on game-play and unless you get those people time and time again and they continue to suck, we don’t actually know.

That said, unranked still sucks LOL.

Gameplay and division. And yes i get same people a lot and i see their division in HotM. They even say themself they are new to pvp and just started. I had match other day, a druid came with me and started double cap home. I told him go mid, support team. He apologized and said he is new to this. I felt so bad for him. I played over 5k matches, some enemies on our team probably too. He got farmed so hard all match. We won but i wonder if he actually enjoyed the match.

Besides it is not normal that i can 100-0 revs, scrappers and chrono as thief. In unranked it happens a lot.

But, you can be dragon rank and have a kitten MMR, right? And, I can be in Ruby or above and have horrendous loss streaks that lower my MMR time after time… gameplay doesn’t really tell you much unless you play with them time after time.

So I still don’t see how honestly we can tell what our team mates or opponents’ MMR is.

[edit] my query was just about people ‘guessing’ that they are matched with lower skilled players than them, and wasn’t about how unbalanced unranked is.

I am in legend, some people i face/get on my team are in sapphire. Do you really think we have same MMR given that i facerolled through sapphire on core thief? Watch Helseth video. This is not so rare.

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

QUESTION… (just throwing it out there)…

People continue to go on about the huge complaints that are made (and I’m guilty of it too) of being put with people with a lower MMR than themselves…

How do you/we/I know they are lower MMR? We can’t check? We don’t know our current MMR when entering those games… People have bad days, including me…

Obviously we all know when our team sucks, and we all know when the opposition sucks, but when complaining about being put with people who are lower MMR than us, how do we actually know that, as fact? It’s presumption based on game-play and unless you get those people time and time again and they continue to suck, we don’t actually know.

That said, unranked still sucks LOL.

Gameplay and division. And yes i get same people a lot and i see their division in HotM. They even say themself they are new to pvp and just started. I had match other day, a druid came with me and started double cap home. I told him go mid, support team. He apologized and said he is new to this. I felt so bad for him. I played over 5k matches, some enemies on our team probably too. He got farmed so hard all match. We won but i wonder if he actually enjoyed the match.

Besides it is not normal that i can 100-0 revs, scrappers and chrono as thief. In unranked it happens a lot.

But, you can be dragon rank and have a kitten MMR, right? And, I can be in Ruby or above and have horrendous loss streaks that lower my MMR time after time… gameplay doesn’t really tell you much unless you play with them time after time.

So I still don’t see how honestly we can tell what our team mates or opponents’ MMR is.

[edit] my query was just about people ‘guessing’ that they are matched with lower skilled players than them, and wasn’t about how unbalanced unranked is.

I am in legend, some people i face/get on my team are in sapphire. Do you really think we have same MMR given that i facerolled through sapphire on core thief?

Maybe! Because perhaps the sapphire guys hadn’t played much last season for whatever reason. Maybe they don’t have endless time to play PvP but it doesn’t mean they’re less skilled than you.

Plus we don’t know, and nor do you know what YOUR MMR is. Fact. Unless Anet tell us what our current MMR is during seasons and shows you what your team mates and opponents’ MMR is at the end of the game, we do not know.

You’re still talking about ranked, I am talking about in general and also within the debate of unraked vs ranked and so in unranked you might absolutely be put with sapphires, or even ESL pro league players and that simply isn’t right.

If unranked during off-season is for ‘training’ or whatever, then it needs to be the same match making as ranked or you aren’t ever going to fully understand your build, counters, and so on when the matchmaking is so sloppy.

[edit] you also are very likely going to be put with non-HoT elite spec builds and that also isn’t right IMO.

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

QUESTION… (just throwing it out there)…

People continue to go on about the huge complaints that are made (and I’m guilty of it too) of being put with people with a lower MMR than themselves…

How do you/we/I know they are lower MMR? We can’t check? We don’t know our current MMR when entering those games… People have bad days, including me…

Obviously we all know when our team sucks, and we all know when the opposition sucks, but when complaining about being put with people who are lower MMR than us, how do we actually know that, as fact? It’s presumption based on game-play and unless you get those people time and time again and they continue to suck, we don’t actually know.

That said, unranked still sucks LOL.

Gameplay and division. And yes i get same people a lot and i see their division in HotM. They even say themself they are new to pvp and just started. I had match other day, a druid came with me and started double cap home. I told him go mid, support team. He apologized and said he is new to this. I felt so bad for him. I played over 5k matches, some enemies on our team probably too. He got farmed so hard all match. We won but i wonder if he actually enjoyed the match.

Besides it is not normal that i can 100-0 revs, scrappers and chrono as thief. In unranked it happens a lot.

But, you can be dragon rank and have a kitten MMR, right? And, I can be in Ruby or above and have horrendous loss streaks that lower my MMR time after time… gameplay doesn’t really tell you much unless you play with them time after time.

So I still don’t see how honestly we can tell what our team mates or opponents’ MMR is.

[edit] my query was just about people ‘guessing’ that they are matched with lower skilled players than them, and wasn’t about how unbalanced unranked is.

I am in legend, some people i face/get on my team are in sapphire. Do you really think we have same MMR given that i facerolled through sapphire on core thief? Watch Helseth video. This is not so rare.

Lol at thi guy saying he is a legend. Newflash, your rank MMR doesn’t carry over to Unrank. So, let’s just say, you are were you are supposed to be…. of you don’t put it the work, why should Anet rewards you with decent (as you call it) players. What ought to matters to you is that, 100% of your games are 5 vs 5. And yes. Unranked MMR isn’t static, it decreases everytime you lose, the volatility increase during breaks, etc…

Ellie.5913:

Is it so bad to have close competitive matches? Seriously.

NOPE. It is a GOOD thing. Blowouts and bad matches are the exception, no the rule. Unranked has much more fair matches overall in its consistency than ranked.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

Cynz.9437:

Celine.6857:

QUESTION… (just throwing it out there)…

People continue to go on about the huge complaints that are made (and I’m guilty of it too) of being put with people with a lower MMR than themselves…

How do you/we/I know they are lower MMR? We can’t check? We don’t know our current MMR when entering those games… People have bad days, including me…

Obviously we all know when our team sucks, and we all know when the opposition sucks, but when complaining about being put with people who are lower MMR than us, how do we actually know that, as fact? It’s presumption based on game-play and unless you get those people time and time again and they continue to suck, we don’t actually know.

That said, unranked still sucks LOL.

Gameplay and division. And yes i get same people a lot and i see their division in HotM. They even say themself they are new to pvp and just started. I had match other day, a druid came with me and started double cap home. I told him go mid, support team. He apologized and said he is new to this. I felt so bad for him. I played over 5k matches, some enemies on our team probably too. He got farmed so hard all match. We won but i wonder if he actually enjoyed the match.

Besides it is not normal that i can 100-0 revs, scrappers and chrono as thief. In unranked it happens a lot.

But, you can be dragon rank and have a kitten MMR, right? And, I can be in Ruby or above and have horrendous loss streaks that lower my MMR time after time… gameplay doesn’t really tell you much unless you play with them time after time.

So I still don’t see how honestly we can tell what our team mates or opponents’ MMR is.

[edit] my query was just about people ‘guessing’ that they are matched with lower skilled players than them, and wasn’t about how unbalanced unranked is.

I am in legend, some people i face/get on my team are in sapphire. Do you really think we have same MMR given that i facerolled through sapphire on core thief? Watch Helseth video. This is not so rare.

Lol at thi guy saying he is a legend. Newflash, your rank MMR doesn’t carry over to Unrank. So, let’s just say, you are were you are supposed to be…. of you don’t put it the work, why should Anet rewards you with decent (as you call it) players. What ought to matters to you is that, 100% of your games are 5 vs 5. And yes. Unranked MMR isn’t static, it decreases everytime you lose, the volatility increase during breaks, etc…

I am well aware of it but i also did plenty of unranked matches by now. My issue is that we are forced into unranked between seasons, i do NOT have a choice!!!! and they are simply boring. I am not complaining about “bad teammates”, i am complaining about situations like this:
you wipe enemy, they either afk or keep wiping which turns into 500-100 match. Same goes for your team where you are only person even playing. Do you really think afking in matches is definition of fun? Do you think farming new players is fun? We did NOT choose to do unranked, we were FORCED into them for no good reason.

Work you say? I spent plenty of time in ranked, doing what you call “work”. And now i am being punished for it? What kind of logic is that?