Guild Wars 2

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

It’s the berserker amulet of condi. Personally, I think the issue is more along the lines of a class/build being able to thrive with absolutely no defensive stats.

This amulet is not the issue. At all. Better look at Durability runes.

Dahkeus.8243:

It’s the berserker amulet of condi. Personally, I think the issue is more along the lines of a class/build being able to thrive with absolutely no defensive stats.

It’s not Berserker amulet of condi. It’s Berserker with condi.

Rym.1469:

This amulet is not the issue. At all. Better look at Durability runes.

Looking at Durability runes and leaving Viper = even more nerfing Rangers.

Dahkeus.8243:

It’s the berserker amulet of condi. Personally, I think the issue is more along the lines of a class/build being able to thrive with absolutely no defensive stats.

It’s not the Berzerker of condi, it’s more like sinister but forgoing additional power for some extra condi pressure, it’s a hybrid. The condi equiv to berzerker would be condi/prec/exp, just like the wanderers is basically the condi equiv of Marauders.

I agree with the second line, it is issues with the class it self rather than the amulet. I’ve been playing a few builds with viper but wanderers typically does better.

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

What’s wrong with hard counters? Thieves get hard countered by DH, Scrapper, Tempest, and druid.

Dakarius.3284:

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

What’s wrong with hard counters? Thieves get hard countered by DH, Scrapper, Tempest, and druid.

Hard counters shouldn’t exist. Everything is wrong with them.
Games are supposed to be decided by skill, not random hard counters aka fail matchmaking.

Btw using Thief or Warrior as argument in any discussion is like a bad joke.

An amulet alone can’t (hard)counter anything.
Especially if it is an amulet which is used only by one class. Unlike some other amulets …

Viper is fine.

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

Yeap. I’ve seen druids tank them for ages. They don’t put out as many condis as core necro and not enough CCs either so they shouldn’t be a problem for someone specced to handle condis.

+1….. they removed minstrel before it even really worked and any1 played it, and what do they do with viper that has enabled the most imbalanced build in recent history? Nothing….

It would probably kill a ton of builds that don’t abuse vipers on rev (which is the only build using it anyways) if you nerf mallyx with vipers, so it’s easier to just get rid of vipers.

Revenant is the only class that can pull it off. Tone down the traits/skills instead.

Tone down rev sustain. Remove celestial instead.

The amulet is pure offence, the issue is that some class ( hum hum revenant ) manage to use it while still having great survability.

Viper isnt the problem

Revenants are, they are the only class able to utilize viper without being completely weak

Chiuvitas.8946:

Viper isnt the problem

Revenants are, they are the only class able to utilize viper without being completely weak

Minstrel wasn’t the problem, blind spam was – Mesmers still can BlindSpam.

Yet, Minstrel was removed. I’d rather see Viper removed than Malyx getting Druid threatment aka 400% cd incr among other “bug fixes”.

Curring.9752:

Dahkeus.8243:

It’s the berserker amulet of condi. Personally, I think the issue is more along the lines of a class/build being able to thrive with absolutely no defensive stats.

It’s not the Berzerker of condi, it’s more like sinister but forgoing additional power for some extra condi pressure, it’s a hybrid. The condi equiv to berzerker would be condi/prec/exp, just like the wanderers is basically the condi equiv of Marauders.

I agree with the second line, it is issues with the class it self rather than the amulet. I’ve been playing a few builds with viper but wanderers typically does better.

Like Morwath, you took that comparison a little too literal. It’s like Berserker because it’s pure offensive stats with no defensive stats.

Nocta pretty much made the point I was trying to make.

Chiuvitas.8946:

Viper isnt the problem

Revenants are, they are the only class able to utilize viper without being completely weak

Revenant should be removed until its actually balanced.

Condi mes can use vipers fairly well and so can necromancers (if both run durability).

I think berserker could pull something awesome off with it too if core warrior got enough buffs to make it viable and synergistic with its elite spec.

Curring.9752:

Dahkeus.8243:

It’s the berserker amulet of condi. Personally, I think the issue is more along the lines of a class/build being able to thrive with absolutely no defensive stats.

It’s not the Berzerker of condi, it’s more like sinister but forgoing additional power for some extra condi pressure, it’s a hybrid. The condi equiv to berzerker would be condi/prec/exp, just like the wanderers is basically the condi equiv of Marauders.

I agree with the second line, it is issues with the class it self rather than the amulet. I’ve been playing a few builds with viper but wanderers typically does better.

Viper has 20% more stat than Berserker/Sinistar.

Morwath.9817:

Dakarius.3284:

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

What’s wrong with hard counters? Thieves get hard countered by DH, Scrapper, Tempest, and druid.

Hard counters shouldn’t exist. Everything is wrong with them.
Games are supposed to be decided by skill, not random hard counters aka fail matchmaking.

Btw using Thief or Warrior as argument in any discussion is like a bad joke.

Hard counters absolutely should exist. This is a team game. Part of the skill involved is having a good group comp. Good group comps cover each others weaknesses.

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

Morwath.9817:

Dakarius.3284:

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

What’s wrong with hard counters? Thieves get hard countered by DH, Scrapper, Tempest, and druid.

Hard counters shouldn’t exist. Everything is wrong with them.
Games are supposed to be decided by skill, not random hard counters aka fail matchmaking.

Btw using Thief or Warrior as argument in any discussion is like a bad joke.

Hard counters absolutely should exist. This is a team game. Part of the skill involved is having a good group comp. Good group comps cover each others weaknesses.

Youre wrong. Majority of player base doesn’t run 5 man premades, which means its not premade game about good group comps.

Also, if you let hard counters exist, some classes will extinct and we will again be back in “cele meta” with only half of classes playing, because rest will be “hard countered”.

Morwath.9817:

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

Morwath.9817:

Dakarius.3284:

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

What’s wrong with hard counters? Thieves get hard countered by DH, Scrapper, Tempest, and druid.

Hard counters shouldn’t exist. Everything is wrong with them.
Games are supposed to be decided by skill, not random hard counters aka fail matchmaking.

Btw using Thief or Warrior as argument in any discussion is like a bad joke.

Hard counters absolutely should exist. This is a team game. Part of the skill involved is having a good group comp. Good group comps cover each others weaknesses.

Youre wrong. Majority of player base doesn’t run 5 man premades, which means its not premade game about good group comps.

Also, if you let hard counters exist, some classes will extinct and we will again be back in “cele meta” with only half of classes playing, because rest will be “hard countered”.

Diamond Skill is still in the game so hard counters are here to stay I am afraid.

Other classes can use Viper + Durability to great effect, you can make a really good engi p/p build with Vipers + Durability. It is by no means broken.

The actual broken part is the Rev class itself, that thing is totally overtuned in any incarnation. Herald traits/shield/skills are 100% broken compared to the base class options. Even in the base class Rev can do everything warrior can do but better with the mobility of old eles (who now move like thieves). Rev needed a serious balance pass before leagues started. Guess we get to look forward to 3 months of utter bullkitten two rev, two tempest teams.

Morwath.9817:

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

Morwath.9817:

Dakarius.3284:

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

What’s wrong with hard counters? Thieves get hard countered by DH, Scrapper, Tempest, and druid.

Hard counters shouldn’t exist. Everything is wrong with them.
Games are supposed to be decided by skill, not random hard counters aka fail matchmaking.

Btw using Thief or Warrior as argument in any discussion is like a bad joke.

Hard counters absolutely should exist. This is a team game. Part of the skill involved is having a good group comp. Good group comps cover each others weaknesses.

Youre wrong. Majority of player base doesn’t run 5 man premades, which means its not premade game about good group comps.

Also, if you let hard counters exist, some classes will extinct and we will again be back in “cele meta” with only half of classes playing, because rest will be “hard countered”.

And yet, the devs are pushing for the game to be an esport. Que system supports this also.

So yes, premade game,

Morwath.9817:

Dakarius.3284:

Morwath.9817:

Dirame.8521:

Morwath.9817:

Superior Condi Pressure with Physical Pressure in one Amulet is too much.
Its not that its OP or something, its just better than any -damage- amulet, also it hard counters Druid, which may lead to Ranger extinction for next year again.

I completely disagree. Burst can easily kill anyone running Viper if people actually bothered to focus them.

You disagree that Viper Rev hard counters Druid?

What’s wrong with hard counters? Thieves get hard countered by DH, Scrapper, Tempest, and druid.

Hard counters shouldn’t exist.