Guild Wars 2

Vanthian.9267:

People complain about “Gun Flame” yet everything is fine with 24k damage with chill in a two minute fight without condition damage gear.

24k damage spread out over 2 minutes. That’s 200 damage per second.

You’re right though. Sounds imbalanced. Not sure what I’d do in the face of such pressure.

I’m sorry OP. I am sorry that you refused to post a screen shot that would give us more information because you knew very well the stars had to align for it to happen. I am sorry that you think the evidence of a 20k Gunflame on a dummy vindicates your claims that this ability needs to be looked at.

There is a shatter mesmer build that can reliably “one shot” me through 21k Shroud and 26k Health… It dies from a fart and has a 1:1 K/D ratio. Perfectly fine in my opinion. So to is this gimmicky useless Gunflame build.

Schurge.5194:

I’m sorry OP. I am sorry that you refused to post a screen shot that would give us more information because you knew very well the stars had to align for it to happen. I am sorry that you think the evidence of a 20k Gunflame on a dummy vindicates your claims that this ability needs to be looked at.

There is a shatter mesmer build that can reliably “one shot” me through 21k Shroud and 26k Health… It dies from a fart and has a 1:1 K/D ratio. Perfectly fine in my opinion. So to is this gimmicky useless Gunflame build.

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

show me that RELIABLE 21k shatter you speak of.

StickerHappy.8052:

Schurge.5194:

I’m sorry OP. I am sorry that you refused to post a screen shot that would give us more information because you knew very well the stars had to align for it to happen. I am sorry that you think the evidence of a 20k Gunflame on a dummy vindicates your claims that this ability needs to be looked at.

There is a shatter mesmer build that can reliably “one shot” me through 21k Shroud and 26k Health… It dies from a fart and has a 1:1 K/D ratio. Perfectly fine in my opinion. So to is this gimmicky useless Gunflame build.

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

show me that RELIABLE 21k shatter you speak of.

I didn’t think it was over powered so I didn’t take any screen shots to cry about on the forums. I’ve only seen it once for the same reason you don’t see 20k gunflames… It is useless outside of trolling… And from the looks of it the Gunflame build can’t even be relied on to troll people with.

Cogbyrn.7283:

ReaperJr.5967:

It’s like trying to convince an anti-vaxxer, i’m talking to a brick wall.

Ironically, so many “pro-vaxxers” are brick walls, too. And let me tell you what, two brick walls don’t communicate well at all. No they do not.

Also, on one hand, anything that hits for 20k is probably not designed very well. I don’t care if it takes 6 seconds of obvious channel-dancing. At that point, even if it is obvious/easy to avoid, that just means it has to be obvious/easy to avoid, so you have black/white gameplay: avoid it and win, get hit and probably lose. Questionable design.

On the other hand, dying in sPvP is not really the end of the world. You just respawn and run back in, hopefully having learned. If you didn’t learn, watch carefully the next time and learn. It’s like being Laguna Bladed in DOTA 2 (an ultimate that does a very large amount of damage instantly to a target). Yeah, you probably died, but either you entered an engagement you shouldn’t have, or your team can potentially clean up the now-much-less-threatening Lina/Warrior.

Not necessarily the biggest deal, imo.

Pro-vaxxers are not brick walls. Rather, we are supported by the brick wall that is science. That aside, i have no idea what you’re on about.

You mean, i shouldn’t be able to deal 20k even if i specced fully for damage with no regard for defense? Why? How is that questionable design? Im sacrificing defense entirely for that damage. It’s a tradeoff. Risk vs reward. High risk, high reward. Im also taking the risk that the opponent will get hit by one of the most telegraphed attacks in game. So why not?

Also, your analogy isnt really relevant. Before you ask, i had 5.3k solo mmr before quitting slightly more than a year ago, so i know what im talking about.

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

StickerHappy.8052:

Schurge.5194:

I’m sorry OP. I am sorry that you refused to post a screen shot that would give us more information because you knew very well the stars had to align for it to happen. I am sorry that you think the evidence of a 20k Gunflame on a dummy vindicates your claims that this ability needs to be looked at.

There is a shatter mesmer build that can reliably “one shot” me through 21k Shroud and 26k Health… It dies from a fart and has a 1:1 K/D ratio. Perfectly fine in my opinion. So to is this gimmicky useless Gunflame build.

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

show me that RELIABLE 21k shatter you speak of.

This isnt power LB ranger, Stickers. I had to press a lot more buttons than that to get my big gunflame hit :p. I even had to do a weapon swap into a dodge with a previously fueled adrenaline bar on nearby golems! :p

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

Actually even that build I posted would unlikely be able to one shot most any viable build being run out there atm. Heavy armor, a bit of hp, a little bit of damage reduction, the hit would fail to do enough and the war would have to fly by the seat of his pants.

StickerHappy.8052:

Schurge.5194:

I’m sorry OP. I am sorry that you refused to post a screen shot that would give us more information because you knew very well the stars had to align for it to happen. I am sorry that you think the evidence of a 20k Gunflame on a dummy vindicates your claims that this ability needs to be looked at.

There is a shatter mesmer build that can reliably “one shot” me through 21k Shroud and 26k Health… It dies from a fart and has a 1:1 K/D ratio. Perfectly fine in my opinion. So to is this gimmicky useless Gunflame build.

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

show me that RELIABLE 21k shatter you speak of.

… this, my friends, is a perfect example of a person who has selective data processing. Why do we even bother explaining to people like these?

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.

Kharr.5746:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Sunshine.5014:

So, in the best condition, it deals 20k, and in normal condition it deals 15k. It’s fine, class like Thief can endure the one shot.

More like 8-10k on a legit zerkerberker roaming DPS build

Here’s me from the other day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8EO59KThFQ

Note: I have hit a glass thief for 15k once in pvp. His fault really :p

And here I thought I was the only one trolling people with a full signet build (which I play for giggles pretty often). I love that you instantly die to a single Unrelenting Assault at 3:20 then proceed to call him a 2 spammer.

Edit: I watched the rest of that video and you’re dead or downed almost the entire game. May want to put on Endure Pain instead of Berserker Stance. You can use Healing Signet to negate condi damage if you get nuked with condis.

I had an awful team, had zero support, and yet held my own really well despite facing the usual lineup of “OP” specs.

Here’s the same spec but with 2 buddies, and a good pug holding home, allowing me to play my role freely (roaming DPS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tb0Ur70A4

Also as roaming DPS, you accept the liabilities of being glass (condi’s are more scary than power hits, 4s immunity? pshhh). Also, I know all about sig heal, there’s a reason why I take it :p (2:20)

ReaperJr.5967:

Pro-vaxxers are not brick walls. Rather, we are supported by the brick wall that is science. That aside, i have no idea what you’re on about.

You mean, i shouldn’t be able to deal 20k even if i specced fully for damage with no regard for defense? Why? How is that questionable design? Im sacrificing defense entirely for that damage. It’s a tradeoff. Risk vs reward. High risk, high reward. Im also taking the risk that the opponent will get hit by one of the most telegraphed attacks in game. So why not?

Also, your analogy isnt really relevant. Before you ask, i had 5.3k solo mmr before quitting slightly more than a year ago, so i know what im talking about.

I didn’t ask for your MMR, because not only do I not care, I don’t believe you anyway.

I also don’t necessarily see a problem with Gun Flame, I just think giving a single attack the scaling potential to hit that hard is questionable design for this game. Do I think it should be a priority to “fix”? No. The game even has downed state so you can just rez a teammate who gets dropped by it anyway. But is it really fun gameplay for both parties to have one build that’s a one-pump-chump, where if you avoid it you win, and if you don’t you lose? It was extraordinarily boring fighting the Zerk Rifle Warrior who specced into this gimmick a bit earlier tonight, because he just folded over.

Is that what it should be? Either you go full gimmick and try to land kill shots, or it isn’t very good? Do you think that’s really good design that deserves strong support in the face of scrutiny?

Cogbyrn.7283:

Is that what it should be? Either you go full gimmick and try to land kill shots, or it isn’t very good? Do you think that’s really good design that deserves strong support in the face of scrutiny?

Language is a funny thing. You use the term “gimmick”, which is disparaging and casts what you’re talking about in a bad light.

If we were talking in terms of a team comp with defined rolls, and one roll was this thing you talk of, but we used the term “specialist” to describe it, it tells an entirely different story.

Funny that.

Cogbyrn.7283:

ReaperJr.5967:

Pro-vaxxers are not brick walls. Rather, we are supported by the brick wall that is science. That aside, i have no idea what you’re on about.

You mean, i shouldn’t be able to deal 20k even if i specced fully for damage with no regard for defense? Why? How is that questionable design? Im sacrificing defense entirely for that damage. It’s a tradeoff. Risk vs reward. High risk, high reward. Im also taking the risk that the opponent will get hit by one of the most telegraphed attacks in game. So why not?

Also, your analogy isnt really relevant. Before you ask, i had 5.3k solo mmr before quitting slightly more than a year ago, so i know what im talking about.

I didn’t ask for your MMR, because not only do I not care, I don’t believe you anyway.

I also don’t necessarily see a problem with Gun Flame, I just think giving a single attack the scaling potential to hit that hard is questionable design for this game. Do I think it should be a priority to “fix”? No. The game even has downed state so you can just rez a teammate who gets dropped by it anyway. But is it really fun gameplay for both parties to have one build that’s a one-pump-chump, where if you avoid it you win, and if you don’t you lose? It was extraordinarily boring fighting the Zerk Rifle Warrior who specced into this gimmick a bit earlier tonight, because he just folded over.

Is that what it should be? Either you go full gimmick and try to land kill shots, or it isn’t very good? Do you think that’s really good design that deserves strong support in the face of scrutiny?

Whether you believe it or not, facts remain facts. I dont see the need to prove it to you either. Was just throwing it out before i get accused of not knowing how the game works. That aside, i think youre confusing game design with player intention.

To put it simply, you’re assuming killshot has to go gimmick for it to work. Which in that case, is all or nothing. Either i kill you or you kill me within the next second. If that were truly the case, then yes, it is bad game design.

But that’s not the case. Killshot (builds) works fine without going through the gimmick route. In fact, one with less damage but has survivability equipped works better than the gimmicky version. It’s a player’s choice to build it as a gimmick or an actual build. Which isnt an issue with game design.

People really like this Gun Flame build, don’t they? Or can we just not question anything that has to do with Warriors because, well gosh, life is super duper hard for them right now?

I don’t even care to change anything about the ability. I just don’t think it’s a good design direction, personally. If it stays just how it is forever, I don’t care. You can keep the Sniper Assassination Specialist Warrior build. Everyone will be bored of it within about two weeks anyway, I imagine.

Cogbyrn.7283:

People really like this Gun Flame build, don’t they? Or can we just not question anything that has to do with Warriors because, well gosh, life is super duper hard for them right now?

I don’t even care to change anything about the ability. I just don’t think it’s a good design direction, personally. If it stays just how it is forever, I don’t care. You can keep the Sniper Assassination Specialist Warrior build. Everyone will be bored of it within about two weeks anyway, I imagine.

Gunflame is in line with all the rest of “warrior design direction” -_-u

I just want to summarize:

Gun flame is a 1,500 range attack the takes 3/4 second to execute. It has a five second recharge, but uses up all adrenaline. It can hit for 20K and has an aoe daze, and the OP posted a screen shot of being hit twice for this amount during a fight (once when alive once when downed).

Unfortunately the OP won’t reveal what build he was using or give a more detailed screenshot so we can’ analyse further, but it is clearly possible to pull this off on the light golem without team buffs/debuffs.

My conclusions from this thread:

(1) Gun flame hitting for 20K in sPvP can and does happen.

(2) Some people just can’t admit they were wrong and use increasing long paragraphs to make it sound like they were right, despite concrete evidence to the contrary.

(3) This thread seems to be full of agitated people who play warrior who feel hard done by because they believe their class is unviable or unable to compete with the other elites. So any one who says anything not to their liking about the class is abused regardless whether what they say is true or not.

(4) The warrior class seems to attract some of the biggest egos and most unsavoury people in the GW2 PvP player base, which is quite an accomplishment.

(5) Some people think a 17-20K hit from a single skill (regardless of conditions required for it) is fine, while others do not. Common sense does not seem to be a factor.

(6) Some people believe they are warrior gurus and theory crafting geniuses but yet do not even know what their own class is capable of, but will keep posting nonsense to try and salvage what little is left of their credibility.

(7) Very likely someone will respond to this post exemplifying one or several of the points made above.

Vague Memory.2817:

My conclusions from this thread:

(1) Gun flame hitting for 20K in sPvP can and does happen.

(2) Some people just can’t admit they were wrong and use increasing long paragraphs to make it sound like they were right, despite concrete evidence to the contrary.

(3) This thread seems to be full of agitated people who play warrior who feel hard done by because they believe their class is unviable or unable to compete with the other elites. So any one who says anything not to their liking about the class is abused regardless whether what they say is true or not.

(4) The warrior class seems to attract some of the biggest egos and most unsavoury people in the GW2 PvP player base, which is quite an accomplishment.

(5) Some people think a 17-20K hit from a single skill (regardless of conditions required for it) is fine, while others do not. Common sense does not seem to be a factor.

(6) Some people believe they are warrior gurus and theory crafting geniuses but yet do not even know what their own class is capable of, but will keep posting nonsense to try and salvage what little is left of their credibility.

(7) Very likely someone will respond to this post exemplifying one or several of the points made above.

Ad honinem and Poisoning the Well, very nice!

Still waiting on you to apologize to the rest of us for an out of context Gunflame. I don’t really care for the other folks who disagreed with the original assertion about the 20k Gunflame initially and they can do whatever they want in form of an apology, or not apologizing.

But you haven’t been intellectually honest have you?

Sykper.6583:

Vague Memory.2817:

My conclusions from this thread:

(1) Gun flame hitting for 20K in sPvP can and does happen.

(2) Some people just can’t admit they were wrong and use increasing long paragraphs to make it sound like they were right, despite concrete evidence to the contrary.

(3) This thread seems to be full of agitated people who play warrior who feel hard done by because they believe their class is unviable or unable to compete with the other elites. So any one who says anything not to their liking about the class is abused regardless whether what they say is true or not.

(4) The warrior class seems to attract some of the biggest egos and most unsavoury people in the GW2 PvP player base, which is quite an accomplishment.

(5) Some people think a 17-20K hit from a single skill (regardless of conditions required for it) is fine, while others do not. Common sense does not seem to be a factor.

(6) Some people believe they are warrior gurus and theory crafting geniuses but yet do not even know what their own class is capable of, but will keep posting nonsense to try and salvage what little is left of their credibility.

(7) Very likely someone will respond to this post exemplifying one or several of the points made above.

Ad honinem and Poisoning the Well, very nice!

Still waiting on you to apologize to the rest of us for an out of context Gunflame. I don’t really care for the other folks who disagreed with the original assertion about the 20k Gunflame initially and they can do whatever they want in form of an apology, or not apologizing.

But you haven’t been intellectually honest have you?

I’m one of the few people who has been honest in the entire thread, intellectually or otherwise. The context was given, I was hit by a 20K crit gun flame during a sPvP match. There was no other context. Maybe I should have added point (8) Some people are not capable of reading or comprehending.

The bottomline is that if a warrior specs for such high damage (traits with all dmg modifiers + scholar rune, etc) he has basically ZERO defensive skills and very low armor (since its a zerk build). If the gunflame misses, in that case, he is doomed. So its a high risk-high reward build which is not at all viable in PvP, more like a troll build.

Imagine 5 rifle warriors team against 5 Reapers/DHs/Scrapper team in a match. The warriors will be eaten, chewed and digested alive before they realize this sort of gimmick builds aren’t for serious competitive gameplay.

i have absolutely no problem with someone sacrificing EVERYTHING in order to achieve a 20k hit under absolute perfect conditions, it just means outside of those absolute perfect conditions (which is most of the time) they’re a free kill.
i play only zerkers, always have, always will, and i can kill people in an instant on almost any class.

sacrificing everything for a small burst of huge damage is nothing new.
my SD engi has been oneshotting people for years, but people don’t cry OP because its split over 4-5 4k crits all hitting at once,

the warrior can only use one skill at a time so they have one big number, and one big number scares people more than 5 smaller numbers that work exactly the same…

Tested the build some days ago myself after i got shot on my cele engi with 8.5k-over 10k hits twice in a short time and modified it a lil bit
Tried it with Marauder and Cavalier Amulett (burst precision).

U have to remember that most of opponent never run with 100% hp the whole time, so it is possible with strength amulett (unblockable) to one shot ur opponent.

Second weapon that is used is sword and shield so in melee it pops quickness (opponent <50 hp) and sword is very dangerous too with final thrust.

1. Gun Flame then Final thrust shredders most of opponents. i think decent players can do 15k+ damage and more with this combo

But its a one trick pony and boring to play. And if they realize what happened u will be focussed every time.

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.

The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.

Ross Biddle.2367:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

Actually even that build I posted would unlikely be able to one shot most any viable build being run out there atm. Heavy armor, a bit of hp, a little bit of damage reduction, the hit would fail to do enough and the war would have to fly by the seat of his pants.

What part of “2600 armor, 18k HP and Overloading Air [giving 40% damage reduction from protection] and getting hit for 16k Gunflame” don’t you get?

20k is more than doable on marauder targets without boons.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.

The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.

It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.

If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?

If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.

Either that, or you weren’t celestial.

StickerHappy.8052:

Schurge.5194:

I’m sorry OP. I am sorry that you refused to post a screen shot that would give us more information because you knew very well the stars had to align for it to happen. I am sorry that you think the evidence of a 20k Gunflame on a dummy vindicates your claims that this ability needs to be looked at.

There is a shatter mesmer build that can reliably “one shot” me through 21k Shroud and 26k Health… It dies from a fart and has a 1:1 K/D ratio. Perfectly fine in my opinion. So to is this gimmicky useless Gunflame build.

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

show me that RELIABLE 21k shatter you speak of.

that’s why gunflame no defensive yolo war is reckting all the mesmers right? oh wait..

and oh since when clicking more buttons = more skills
and do mesmer have to give up all the defense for it? nop.
btw you actually need, signet of rage>signet of fury>on my mark>brutal shot>berserk>gunflame, which is definitely more then one button.

and yes, i do play gunflame build

Why don’t we start nerfing final thurst and frost burst as well
since 14k final thurst is obviously overpowered, 3k weapon swap sigil is also op.

umm, can we also nerf vault..

StickerHappy.8052:

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

The Warrior has to burn all his utilities, heal and elite to have the CHANCE to hit that gunflame crit. And then be useless for the rest of the fight.

If you see an enemy Warrior running this build in spvp, shake his hand and thank him, because he just gave your team a massive advantage.

I hope you realize that this entire thread is a massive whine about gimmick builds.
And people actually wonder why everyone derided the OP.

Zeghart.9841:

StickerHappy.8052:

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

The Warrior has to burn all his utilities, heal and elite to have the CHANCE to hit that gunflame crit. And then be useless for the rest of the fight.

If you see an enemy Warrior running this build in spvp, shake his hand and thank him, because he just gave your team a massive advantage.

I hope you realize that this entire thread is a massive whine about gimmick builds.
And people actually wonder why everyone derided the OP.

To put it another way for people..

Gimmick Berserker: “I hope this gunflame attack hits, crits, and the target is squishy with low hp. Otherwise one stun and counter burst, including condi bomb, and I’m dead.”

Oh and/or also:

Gimmick Berserker: “If they interrupt this channel, I’m boned.”

Ross Biddle.2367:

Zeghart.9841:

StickerHappy.8052:

The usual forums… hilarious..

You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?

f2 then f1? LOL.

The Warrior has to burn all his utilities, heal and elite to have the CHANCE to hit that gunflame crit. And then be useless for the rest of the fight.

If you see an enemy Warrior running this build in spvp, shake his hand and thank him, because he just gave your team a massive advantage.

I hope you realize that this entire thread is a massive whine about gimmick builds.
And people actually wonder why everyone derided the OP.

To put it another way for people..

Gimmick Berserker: “I hope this gunflame attack hits, crits, and the target is squishy with low hp. Otherwise one stun and counter burst, including condi bomb, and I’m dead.”

Oh and/or also:

Gimmick Berserker: “If they interrupt this channel, I’m boned.”

No condi bomb needed, a friendly necro staff 2 in your general direction is enough.

Or a DH auto attack.

Or really anything…

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.

The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.

It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.

If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?

If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.

Either that, or you weren’t celestial.

Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence. And I don’t care that you don’t believe me so I will simply stop responding to you doubters.

Oh and I’m betting 1 million Euros in that bet. You know the bet I cannot lose because I ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED THE EVENTS.

P.S. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None. So stop lying for fraks sake.

i think rev hammer auto does 7k damage is too much as well.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.

The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.

It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.

If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?

If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.

Either that, or you weren’t celestial.

Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.

Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.

Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.

I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P

This thread makes me lol. Before even reading the responses I knew a specific set of circumstances had to align in order for this kind of damage. At minimum, a glass warr built for maximum damage with might, and vulnerability on target OP mentioned that he was fighting a DH. 20 stacks of vulnerability can easily be stacked by a single trap, plus whatever the warrior applies, as well as any other unknown sources.

OP displayed a clear and abject ignorance over basic game mechanics by stating that his stats “don’t matter.”

OP also displayed a laughably weak grasp of basic logic by declaring that “context doesn’t matter.” Context is not only relevant, but far more important than “look a big number.” It’s not difficult to build to get the biggest number you can. The build revolves around that one gimmicky trick that takes most of their build (and very likely other teammates) of setup to make it happen. This in no way makes it OP. It is extremely easy to shutdown, and they’re borderline useless after their one trick. They have no utility and no survivability. So yes, the lack of relevant details and context makes the “omg 20k hit” all but meaningless. An uncropped screen wouldn’t show what debuffs you had or the buffs the warrior had at the time he actually shot you. IE: the very important context. And it’s been shown the only way to possibly get the damage that high requires a significant amount of those buffs and debuffs.

So I did get that 20k gunflame btw, 20151 to be exact (took a few crits to land it though). Anyway because of the continued conversation, I uploaded a second vid to contextualize what’s been said back and forth in this thread. Also, as a side note, I optimized the hit by adding in the additional 8 stacks of invuln from Rifle 4.

Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcc_86A9Seg&feature=youtu.be

Ross Biddle.2367:

So I did get that 20k gunflame btw, 20151 to be exact (took a few crits to land it though). Anyway because of the continued conversation, I uploaded a second vid to contextualize what’s been said back and forth in this thread. Also, as a side note, I optimized the hit by adding in the additional 8 stacks of invuln from Rifle 4.

Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcc_86A9Seg&feature=youtu.be

You sure do like your rifle warriors =P

apharma.3741:

Ross Biddle.2367:

So I did get that 20k gunflame btw, 20151 to be exact (took a few crits to land it though). Anyway because of the continued conversation, I uploaded a second vid to contextualize what’s been said back and forth in this thread. Also, as a side note, I optimized the hit by adding in the additional 8 stacks of invuln from Rifle 4.

Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcc_86A9Seg&feature=youtu.be

You sure do like your rifle warriors =P

I’m becoming a real pro. A true champion!

Rofl, DH tricking out a true shot
https://youtu.be/G0z_L2BK60s?t=140

14 might stacks, 10 vuln, thief target with no armor, no CD’s on DH

Good times.

maybe the OP did the same? For his screenshot, I mean…

that’s why we can’t see the rest of it

Ross Biddle.2367:

Rofl, DH tricking out a true shot
https://youtu.be/G0z_L2BK60s?t=140

14 might stacks, 10 vuln, thief target with no armor, no CD’s on DH

Good times.

that DH had on the best armor ever.

Asato.5479:

maybe the OP did the same? For his screenshot, I mean…

that’s why we can’t see the rest of it

I don’t know if anyone else noticed but being that the op was on ele he likely had any number of boons up. A treated warrior would gain +3% damage PER boon on the target. A measely 6 boons would result in an 18% damage modifier. If I could slap 6 boons on the golem we’d really get to see some fireworks

Boon hate is legit and we need to see more of it

Ross Biddle.2367:

Asato.5479:

maybe the OP did the same? For his screenshot, I mean…

that’s why we can’t see the rest of it

I don’t know if anyone else noticed but being that the op was on ele he likely had any number of boons up. A treated warrior would gain +3% damage PER boon on the target. A measely 6 boons would result in an 18% damage modifier. If I could slap 6 boons on the golem we’d really get to see some fireworks

Boon hate is legit and we need to see more of it

I noticed you are a warrior’s white knight now! hahahaha. good you are branching out..

OP seems to have disappeared once all the facts of how this actually works came out.

Ross Biddle.2367:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yasha.5963:

So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?

It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.

Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.

That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.

I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.

The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.

It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.

If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?

If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.

Either that, or you weren’t celestial.

Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.

Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.

Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.

I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P

If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Asato.5479:

maybe the OP did the same? For his screenshot, I mean…

that’s why we can’t see the rest of it

I don’t know if anyone else noticed but being that the op was on ele he likely had any number of boons up. A treated warrior would gain +3% damage PER boon on the target. A measely 6 boons would result in an 18% damage modifier. If I could slap 6 boons on the golem we’d really get to see some fireworks

Boon hate is legit and we need to see more of it

Haha you can ask 2 people to test this
I don’t see you buffing the golems !

Cogbyrn.7283:

Sykper.6583:

What I didn’t expect were tears. Bravo, I haven’t laughed so hard in a while.

You didn’t expect tears from a PvP community for an attack doing 20k damage? It doesn’t matter how gimmicky it is, people can’t handle situations where it felt like they couldn’t react, regardless of how many things they could have done to prevent it.

There are many builds that can potentially kill someone “before they could react,” gunflame’s only claim to fame is doing in one hit rather than 4-5 simultaneous hits.

And while the question of whether insta-gibs are good for quality of play is certainly a legitimate one, I’m not sure if nerfing the burst builds are really the way to go, since eliminating insta-gibs can cause some other problems, namely with the meta being overrun by glass cannon builds, since without the threat of getting blow up, there isn’t any reason to not run glass cannon.

Asato.5479:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Asato.5479:

maybe the OP did the same? For his screenshot, I mean…

that’s why we can’t see the rest of it

I don’t know if anyone else noticed but being that the op was on ele he likely had any number of boons up. A treated warrior would gain +3% damage PER boon on the target. A measely 6 boons would result in an 18% damage modifier. If I could slap 6 boons on the golem we’d really get to see some fireworks

Boon hate is legit and we need to see more of it

Haha you can ask 2 people to test this
I don’t see you buffing the golems !

Ugh, sooooo much hassle. I’d have to socialize and stuff.

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Asato.5479:

maybe the OP did the same? For his screenshot, I mean…

that’s why we can’t see the rest of it

I don’t know if anyone else noticed but being that the op was on ele he likely had any number of boons up. A treated warrior would gain +3% damage PER boon on the target. A measely 6 boons would result in an 18% damage modifier. If I could slap 6 boons on the golem we’d really get to see some fireworks

Boon hate is legit and we need to see more of it

I noticed you are a warrior’s white knight now! hahahaha. good you are branching out..

Warriors are in to deep a state of depression to do much for right now. Like, I’ve been developing my Berserker skills and running this roaming DPS build/role, refining it and such, and making a huge difference in my games (am I insinuating viability O: gasp :O ). But conveying that is probably impossible, especially when you have a group of people looking to run builds, and have a role they had in metas past.

Interestingly enough I’ve moved away from Mesmer for the exact same reason. Why? I want to play roaming DPS. Chrono roaming DPS is lacking in the face of the developing META. Now, I could keep playing Chrono, but I’d be best taking up a Chrono Bunker. I don’t want to, so I’ve moved on to what I’m beginning to think is the strongest roaming DPS class there is, Berserker :O

Who’d of thunk :p