Do you knoW that necro has unblokable marks, fear, daze, shout makes unblokable with 6 sec so what the prob with bloks for you? There is evades for thief and 1 immune for the mesmer (4 sec) so i think your death shroud can handle it.
Also you have one of the best power and condi damage. Just make you unblokable wait 4 sec and kitten all of mesmer/thief you see.
Better, tag with a tempest friend healer. You will become the incarnation of death in the match .
Nah, warrior and dragonhunter stand above the rest. It’s just that mastering it completely takes a bit more skill, but still less than others. Always was like this.
What do you expect from a close range melee offensive class? You think a DH should be more dps overall? Necro reaper is ok?
Most classes are OP now. And that balances well. Only Rev needs fixing and some buffs.
Actually, I can beat a war about 1/2 the time on Mesmer. It’s frustrating that they are the fastest class on the field and have a much better stun/burst.
This is a heavy melee class that is also mobile enough to out roam me. That doesn’t make sense.
How exactly can a warrior be faster than your ports and blink? Or even thief shortbow and swiftness on dodge? Sure warrior has faster movement speed with melee weapons and GS offers some great mobility, still it can’t match your mobility. Eg, you can teleport up on maps like Khylo, warrior can’t.
First, ports and blinks are long cooldown items not generally used for speed. A warrior has a much higher average speed.
Second, there is not a single place, NOT ONE, that a blink can go that is not accessible through a very quick jump or series of jumps.
Fighting a warrior without a preset port is a win or die situation, they can easily out run me and a blink, at best gives me one or 2 seconds before the war will be on me.
In most fights, I will only get time to use blink once. Wars have multiple rush and fast motion options. They are more mobile by far in an actual fight.
I have basically one option and that is to avoid ALL of the warrior’s stuns and bursts , (both of which are more effective than those of Mesmer ) wait through there period of immunity to damage, avoid there fire field heal and finally … having lasted that long, hope that I don’t get +1’d before I can down them.
You don’t use ports/blinks for speed? So if you are running up on a point and the enemy is 2 ticks away from capping/decapping the point, you don’t blink to get there faster?
So then here’s the issue. For ranged class, their walking speed is too slow and the Warrior with a GS can slow them down further and catch them with the traited speed boost. Potentially reducing the speed boost % offers a solution. However, it it goes too low, it will become very hard for a Warrior to catch ranged classes. That’s the nature of this game. Ranged need to be able to smartly disengage and melee need to be able to get in close range.
In terms of on point damage and ability to pin down ranged there, I don’t think there’s any issue. If you are ranged, you can’t expect to fight a warrior head on. Defeats the purpose of the class.
You don’t use ports/blinks for speed? So if you are running up on a point and the enemy is 2 ticks away from capping/decapping the point, you don’t blink to get there faster?
That’s exactly where some ranged classes complain. They waste their getaways to get to a side point and expect to fight warrior there head on. Ain’t gonna work!
Warrior is not overpower, only the good warrior is overpower or those cheating, lol, that 1 shot you dead with a rifle while your on your way to fight them and died mid way to a cap point.
In my calculus for a fight… I’d most likely save the blink unless I thought I could win easily.
I guess it’s different with ele. I use lightning flash to get on point quick and hold until my teammate with some actual dps shows up to kill the enemy. My strategy is never leave the point while fighting, and i’ll usually end up getting the point before killing the enemy, every time i see them step out of the circle, i’ll use an immob or knockdown to delay them getting back on point. I don’t try this on guardians though…
So then here’s the issue. For ranged class, their walking speed is too slow and the Warrior with a GS can slow them down further and catch them with the traited speed boost. Potentially reducing the speed boost % offers a solution. However, it it goes too low, it will become very hard for a Warrior to catch ranged classes. That’s the nature of this game. Ranged need to be able to smartly disengage and melee need to be able to get in close range.
In terms of on point damage and ability to pin down ranged there, I don’t think there’s any issue. If you are ranged, you can’t expect to fight a warrior head on. Defeats the purpose of the class.
Untrue. If I can’t defeat a warrior ( and I can some of the time ) it defeats the purpose of a roaming class such as Mesmer or Thief. What does it matter if I roam and can’t take a point?
The Warrior is not OP he is easy countered by necro. Only time Warrior can usually beat necro is when necro starts because he starts with no life force. I honestly think warrior is a little weak in DPS so is necro in their own ways.
So then here’s the issue. For ranged class, their walking speed is too slow and the Warrior with a GS can slow them down further and catch them with the traited speed boost. Potentially reducing the speed boost % offers a solution. However, it it goes too low, it will become very hard for a Warrior to catch ranged classes. That’s the nature of this game. Ranged need to be able to smartly disengage and melee need to be able to get in close range.
In terms of on point damage and ability to pin down ranged there, I don’t think there’s any issue. If you are ranged, you can’t expect to fight a warrior head on. Defeats the purpose of the class.
Untrue. If I can’t defeat a warrior ( and I can some of the time ) it defeats the purpose of a roaming class such as Mesmer or Thief. What does it matter if I roam and can’t take a point?
The role of ranged light roaming class is not to get to an enemy point where a warrior already is and take it head on. If you think so, you’re mistaken. You will have to range it and kill it before taking the point.
The Warrior is not OP he is easy countered by necro. Only time Warrior can usually beat necro is when necro starts because he starts with no life force. I honestly think warrior is a little weak in DPS so is necro in their own ways.
“Class x is not OP because it has one counter.” Lol, okay.
The Warrior is not OP he is easy countered by necro. Only time Warrior can usually beat necro is when necro starts because he starts with no life force. I honestly think warrior is a little weak in DPS so is necro in their own ways.
“Class x is not OP because it has one counter.” Lol, okay.
agree thts amazing funny….counter only by 1 class and all warrior player say is L2 dodge. sounds familiar….back when d/d ele is OP its also been counter by 1 class nerco and d/d player say its not op learn to dodge
Warrior can take down a mesmer
Necro can take down warrior
Thief can take down a necro
Mesmer can take down a DH, necro, druid and so on
Necro can take down a druid
DH can take down a thief while afk
Druid can take down DH……
Revenant can be there and spectate it all
Vault thief accidentally takes many down
….. It goes on and on endlessly
Warrior can take down a mesmer
Necro can take down warrior
Thief can take down a necro
Mesmer can take down a DH, necro, druid and so on
Necro can take down a druid
DH can take down a thief while afk
Druid can take down DH……
Revenant can be there and spectate it all
Vault thief accidentally takes many down
….. It goes on and on endlessly
Elementalist follows the Revenant and cheer for the winner
Warrior can take down a mesmer
Necro can take down warrior
Thief can take down a necro
Mesmer can take down a DH, necro, druid and so on
Necro can take down a druid
DH can take down a thief while afk
Druid can take down DH……
Revenant can be there and spectate it all
Vault thief accidentally takes many down
….. It goes on and on endlessly
Elementalist follows the Revenant and cheer for the winner
The Warrior is not OP he is easy countered by necro. Only time Warrior can usually beat necro is when necro starts because he starts with no life force. I honestly think warrior is a little weak in DPS so is necro in their own ways.
“Class x is not OP because it has one counter.” Lol, okay.
actually drazeh spoke quite openly about how DH counters warrior very hard which is why he liked it much more because it affects the game more. but anyone can counter either of those classes by dodging their mechanics.honestly if you want to learn how to beat a warrior or what its weak to go to the warrior section in this forum. plenty of “warrior is op threads” get moved there and get a ton of people explaining very well why they are incorrect.
Every patch we need nerf to nerfnant and only bug fixes that works in favor of rev. No exceptions. Its gw tradition.
The funny thing about Rev is, that all the class needed after season 2 was the Sword2 und Staff5 nerf it got after season 4. If ANet would not have touched Shiro skills (energy costs, cooldowns and endurance gain), Power/Shiro would be in a very good spot. But now it is overnerfed.
Revenant is a good example for a clueless nerfing strategy. And unfortunately ANet usually does not revert nerfs but tries to fix the situation by buffing other things – what results in a complete mess.
The funny thing about Rev is, that all the class needed after season 2 was the Sword2 und Staff5 nerf it got after season 4. If ANet would not have touched Shiro skills (energy costs, cooldowns and endurance gain), Power/Shiro would be in a very good spot. But now it is overnerfed.
Revenant is a good example for a clueless nerfing strategy. And unfortunately ANet usually does not revert nerfs but tries to fix the situation by buffing other things – what results in a complete mess.
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Every patch we need nerf to nerfnant and only bug fixes that works in favor of rev. No exceptions. Its gw tradition.
The funny thing about Rev is, that all the class needed after season 2 was the Sword2 und Staff5 nerf it got after season 4. If ANet would not have touched Shiro skills (energy costs, cooldowns and endurance gain), Power/Shiro would be in a very good spot. But now it is overnerfed.
Revenant is a good example for a clueless nerfing strategy. And unfortunately ANet usually does not revert nerfs but tries to fix the situation by buffing other things – what results in a complete mess.
The funny thing is that outside said surge and block staff sux and it wasnt properly reworked/buffed (looking at you skill 2 and healing orbs..), i dont mind sotm nerf but there also should be buffs not more nerfs to block.
The funny thing about sword – its the only weapon in game that has skills which split up damage to targets rather than deal it equally to everyone like.. all skills ingame. Imagine any aoe/cleave skill doing only 33% damage to your target cause theres 2 clones/2minions or pet+player near your target.
This is ridiculous already right? Its get even more ridiculous when you account in autoattack which scale up with enemies around increasing it dps unlike sword 2 n 3 which are dps loss at this point due to their split damage. So in the end you have a weapon that goes against it desing and it doesnt know what it want to do. With auto you want to stack as many targets as possible but with skill 2 and 3 you want only 1 target in radius. Where is the synergy? Its a kittening mess that to this day wasnt addressed. Id say all swords nerfs need to be reverted, PS being bring back to it utility status and sword 3 reworked so it actually work like channeled single target ability.
Also you know whats funny? While everyone complains about PS damage and what not, there are other similiar skills which does as much if not more damage and providing more utility yet they are completely reliable and they doesnt split damage nor cost any energy to cast, like this https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electro-whirl
Please tell me where is the balance in this game? Revenant is a profession that should be removed from the game, rebuild from 0 and come back later without weapon swap like he was supposed to be originally. Right now hes a buggy and clunky (due to fail energy system) mess. He doesnt even work without Herald cus everything was designed around elite spec from the start.. like wtf? One has to imagine how kitten OP next elite spec has to be to make up for the flaws in core rev.
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The funny thing is that outside said surge and block staff sux and it wasnt properly reworked/buffed (looking at you skill 2 and healing orbs..), i dont mind sotm nerf but there also should be buffs not more nerfs to block.
The funny thing about sword – its the only weapon in game that has skills which split up damage to targets rather than deal it equally to everyone like.. all skills ingame. Imagine any aoe/cleave skill doing only 33% damage to your target cause theres 2 clones/2minions or pet+player near your target.
This is ridiculous already right? Its get even more ridiculous when you account in autoattack which scale up with enemies around increasing it dps unlike sword 2 n 3 which are dps loss at this point due to their split damage. So in the end you have a weapon that goes against it desing and it doesnt know what it want to do. With auto you want to stack as many targets as possible but with skill 2 and 3 you want only 1 target in radius. Where is the synergy? Its a kittening mess that to this day wasnt addressed. Id say all swords nerfs need to be reverted, PS being bring back to it utility status and sword 3 reworked so it actually work like channeled single target ability.
Also you know whats funny? While everyone complains about PS damage and what not, there are other similiar skills which does as much if not more damage and providing more utility yet they are completely reliable and they doesnt split damage nor cost any energy to cast, like this https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electro-whirl
Please tell me where is the balance in this game? Revenant is a profession that should be removed from the game, rebuild from 0 and come back later without weapon swap like he was supposed to be originally. Right now hes a buggy and clunky (due to fail energy system) mess. He doesnt even work without Herald cus everything was designed around elite spec from the start.. like wtf? One has to imagine how kitten OP next elite spec has to be to make up for the flaws in core rev.
Impressive wall of salty text… just wow!
Rev has bugs, Rev has bad design … nothing new here.
BUT: PowerShiro was viable in season 2 – even slightly overpowered (I mained it this time). That’s all I wanted to point out.
The funny thing is that outside said surge and block staff sux and it wasnt properly reworked/buffed (looking at you skill 2 and healing orbs..), i dont mind sotm nerf but there also should be buffs not more nerfs to block.
The funny thing about sword – its the only weapon in game that has skills which split up damage to targets rather than deal it equally to everyone like.. all skills ingame. Imagine any aoe/cleave skill doing only 33% damage to your target cause theres 2 clones/2minions or pet+player near your target.
This is ridiculous already right? Its get even more ridiculous when you account in autoattack which scale up with enemies around increasing it dps unlike sword 2 n 3 which are dps loss at this point due to their split damage. So in the end you have a weapon that goes against it desing and it doesnt know what it want to do. With auto you want to stack as many targets as possible but with skill 2 and 3 you want only 1 target in radius. Where is the synergy? Its a kittening mess that to this day wasnt addressed. Id say all swords nerfs need to be reverted, PS being bring back to it utility status and sword 3 reworked so it actually work like channeled single target ability.
Also you know whats funny? While everyone complains about PS damage and what not, there are other similiar skills which does as much if not more damage and providing more utility yet they are completely reliable and they doesnt split damage nor cost any energy to cast, like this https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electro-whirl
Please tell me where is the balance in this game? Revenant is a profession that should be removed from the game, rebuild from 0 and come back later without weapon swap like he was supposed to be originally. Right now hes a buggy and clunky (due to fail energy system) mess. He doesnt even work without Herald cus everything was designed around elite spec from the start.. like wtf? One has to imagine how kitten OP next elite spec has to be to make up for the flaws in core rev.
Impressive wall of salty text… just wow!
Rev has bugs, Rev has bad design … nothing new here.
BUT: PowerShiro was viable in season 2 – even slightly overpowered (I mained it this time). That’s all I wanted to point out.
Em.. im not really salty. I left in mid season 2 and facepalming on every patch notes when looking up at the changes to professions or to be more accurate lack of said changes cus come on. Balance patches are like um.. once per 3 months? Smite has more changes every 2 weeks. Due to limited rev desing he should be easier class to balance in this game and by now all legends should be viable cus their skills come in a package. 1 heal, 3utility (it should be 5 but mkay..), 1 elite. I honestly have no idea what issue they have there if they cant balance one legend per patch.
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Warrior can take down a mesmer
Necro can take down warrior
Thief can take down a necro
Mesmer can take down a DH, necro, druid and so on
Necro can take down a druid
DH can take down a thief while afk
Druid can take down DH……
Revenant can be there and spectate it all
Vault thief accidentally takes many down
….. It goes on and on endlessly
Now that’s not true. I can defeat a DH and ( with a little luck ) a warrior. The real issue is that I have to work a lot harder at it on Mesmer. I have much less margin for error.
A warrior has the heal, immunity and dps to cover a lot of small errors in play and still come off the winner.
As a warrior main I feel like this meta the berserker ACTUALLY feels like a berserker, all out in your face damage that’s what we wanted like a year ago.
The issue is with the removal of tanky amulets and a nerf to toughness, raw damage wins the fight. Warrior’s damage is not only extremely powerful, but it’s fast. You can condi bomb me, but I can down you before they even get a chance to tick enough times.
I’ve mentioned this before, but defensive stats just don’t scale well anymore. You can have 3k toughness and you’ll be having to dodge around from warrior and DH as if you had 2k toughness. It’s all about the blocks and in vulnerabilities, and seeing as how DH and warrior have the best access to these while also being able to dish out mass amounts of damage, they rose to the top of the food chain.
