Warriors, outclassed & underwhelming in sPvP?
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They better not be as bad as he/she makes out.
I’ve been playing a lot of Engineer and Guardian in Spvp, went back to my Warrior for PvE and was planning on having my Warrior take over the Engineer and Guardian for my PvP main aswell. Oh well :/ At least my Guardian shares the same armour class, so if I get any cool gear my Warrior can also use it
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?
Made a similar topic a while back, but actually detailing why it’s a limited class. Take a look at their traits and it should sum up why, nicely. They’re almost all +5% if using a hammer, +10% if using greatsword, +toughness when using a shield, etc. They aren’t a profession that does things. They rely on stats way too much, which doesn’t work in a game that’s all about active utility.
It’s a broken profession in its very design, and will probably remain the worst or next to worst in sPvP for a long time. You can’t fix it without completing altering most of the skills and traits to actually have utility. Fixing the numbers will not do anything other than potentially overpower them, if you go far enough to make them able to overcome the hurdle of their utility limitations. That said, they’re one of the best PvE classes and possibly the best dungeon running class. In sPvP, though, they’re pretty terrible. It’s very easy to root them, get them to burn off the mandatory Balanced Stance they MUST bring (9.5s), then just immobilize them again, if they aren’t dead already. Their extra health and armor is VERY easy to burn through in one or two hits.
I really hope you don’t ever meet a good warrior, keep posting things like this and we get a boost
Why don’t you people take a look at Team Paradigm’s Moldran and his videos? I bet you could learn a thing or two that would help you feel a little less useless
Google is your friend here..
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?
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Why don’t you people take a look at Team Paradigm’s Moldran and his videos? I bet you could learn a thing or two that would help you feel a little less useless
his videos are pre-launch aren’t they….not that the build is not useful now but it’s not as effective
Why don’t you people take a look at Team Paradigm’s Moldran and his videos? I bet you could learn a thing or two that would help you feel a little less useless
his videos are pre-launch aren’t they….not that the build is not useful now but it’s not as effective
They’re also mostly HB builds against other Warriors or people that don’t know what they’re doing.
Why don’t you people take a look at Team Paradigm’s Moldran and his videos? I bet you could learn a thing or two that would help you feel a little less useless
his videos are pre-launch aren’t they….not that the build is not useful now but it’s not as effective
They’re also mostly HB builds against other Warriors or people that don’t know what they’re doing.
The build is still very powerful, last I checked. As for people not knowing, what they are doing – what do you think the current spvp scene consists of almost entirely? What other reason would there be for the constant and incessant whining about HS thieves forcing anet to nerf it, when there are millions of simple and obvious counters to it? People need to learn how to play. Warrior gets more difficult the higher up the ranks you get, undoubtedly, but for spvp, it’s still one of the strongest. People just haven’t caught on to it yet.
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?
Why don’t you people take a look at Team Paradigm’s Moldran and his videos? I bet you could learn a thing or two that would help you feel a little less useless
his videos are pre-launch aren’t they….not that the build is not useful now but it’s not as effective
They’re also mostly HB builds against other Warriors or people that don’t know what they’re doing.
The build is still very powerful, last I checked. As for people not knowing, what they are doing – what do you think the current spvp scene consists of almost entirely? What other reason would there be for the constant and incessant whining about HS thieves forcing anet to nerf it, when there are millions of simple and obvious counters to it? People need to learn how to play. Warrior gets more difficult the higher up the ranks you get, undoubtedly, but for spvp, it’s still one of the strongest. People just haven’t caught on to it yet.
Shoosh Kentra, let them think that we suck….makes my life that much easier
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?
well phantaram from paradigm made my warrior look embarrassing last night on his ele lol 
As damage, I think they are too gimmicky and thus too easily countered at high level competition, and if when they get real matchmaking implemented you won’t see many at high tier games, except maybe in a support or point holding role.
If they can make warrior less viable to faceroll baddies and average players, but more viable in higher tier games, that would be an improvement. It really shines right now versus average to bad players because it can kill them really fast, but any skilled player using any other class would attain the same results. It would just be less obvious because its over a longer period of time.
Plague made a good point about dps warriors not ‘doing’ as much as other classes. Traitwise its mostly getting things like 10% damage vs bleeding, 10% damage with a certain weapon, etc, which leads to a very stat-driven gimmicky build. And then to effectively deliver damage, the utility skills pretty much always need bulls rush and frenzy and stability, and if you swap any of those out you are asking for trouble.
If anyone played HoN, I would say warriors in a damage role are kind of like Deadwood. You can destroy everything up until 1650 or so, then the dropoff is dramatic and you never see him in competitive games.
Lysander – Anvil Rock
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Lysander – Anvil Rock
well phantaram from paradigm made my warrior look embarrassing last night on his ele lol
As damage, I think they are too gimmicky and thus too easily countered at high level competition, and if when they get real matchmaking implemented you won’t see many at high tier games, except maybe in a support or point holding role.
If they can make warrior less viable to faceroll baddies and average players, but more viable in higher tier games, that would be an improvement. It really shines right now versus average to bad players because it can kill them really fast, but any skilled player using any other class would attain the same results. It would just be less obvious because its over a longer period of time.
Plague made a good point about dps warriors not ‘doing’ as much as other classes. Traitwise its mostly getting things like 10% damage vs bleeding, 10% damage with a certain weapon, etc, which leads to a very stat-driven gimmicky build. And then to effectively deliver damage, the utility skills pretty much always need bulls rush and frenzy and stability, and if you swap any of those out you are asking for trouble.
If anyone played HoN, I would say warriors in a damage role are kind of like Deadwood. You can destroy everything up until 1650 or so, then the dropoff is dramatic and you never see him in competitive games.
So, it all makes sense now, you actually feel that the only way to be an effective damage dealing warrior is to run a frenzy build… No wonder you get so antsy when people request it be removed or toned down.
I’m not saying Warriors are fine without it, just that you have a major conflict of interest going on there buddy. Warriors definitely need a tweak, but Quickness is NOT the answer to their current situation, I’m sure even you can see that.
The very fact a build has to rely on an ability like Quickness, not only shows how broken Warriors are, but how powerful Quickness is. Both could do with a reasonable tweak.
well phantaram from paradigm made my warrior look embarrassing last night on his ele lol
As damage, I think they are too gimmicky and thus too easily countered at high level competition, and if when they get real matchmaking implemented you won’t see many at high tier games, except maybe in a support or point holding role.
If they can make warrior less viable to faceroll baddies and average players, but more viable in higher tier games, that would be an improvement. It really shines right now versus average to bad players because it can kill them really fast, but any skilled player using any other class would attain the same results. It would just be less obvious because its over a longer period of time.
Plague made a good point about dps warriors not ‘doing’ as much as other classes. Traitwise its mostly getting things like 10% damage vs bleeding, 10% damage with a certain weapon, etc, which leads to a very stat-driven gimmicky build. And then to effectively deliver damage, the utility skills pretty much always need bulls rush and frenzy and stability, and if you swap any of those out you are asking for trouble.
If anyone played HoN, I would say warriors in a damage role are kind of like Deadwood. You can destroy everything up until 1650 or so, then the dropoff is dramatic and you never see him in competitive games.
So, it all makes sense now, you actually feel that the only way to be an effective damage dealing warrior is to run a frenzy build… No wonder you get so antsy when people request it be removed or toned down.
I’m not saying Warriors are fine without it, just that you have a major conflict of interest going on there buddy. Warriors definitely need a tweak, but Quickness is NOT the answer to their current situation, I’m sure even you can see that.
The very fact a build has to rely on an ability like Quickness, not only shows how broken Warriors are, but how powerful Quickness is. Both could do with a reasonable tweak.
no im accepting of the situation and am in the process of transitioning from warrior :P
frenzy destroys noobs. it always has and always will. drops off dramatically against higher tier players. I argue against people who want to remove frenzy because I don’t think the answer to bad play is to encourage it by removing things that cause it. it would be better for the bad players to get better, no?
Lysander – Anvil Rock
well phantaram from paradigm made my warrior look embarrassing last night on his ele lol
As damage, I think they are too gimmicky and thus too easily countered at high level competition, and if when they get real matchmaking implemented you won’t see many at high tier games, except maybe in a support or point holding role.
If they can make warrior less viable to faceroll baddies and average players, but more viable in higher tier games, that would be an improvement. It really shines right now versus average to bad players because it can kill them really fast, but any skilled player using any other class would attain the same results. It would just be less obvious because its over a longer period of time.
Plague made a good point about dps warriors not ‘doing’ as much as other classes. Traitwise its mostly getting things like 10% damage vs bleeding, 10% damage with a certain weapon, etc, which leads to a very stat-driven gimmicky build. And then to effectively deliver damage, the utility skills pretty much always need bulls rush and frenzy and stability, and if you swap any of those out you are asking for trouble.
If anyone played HoN, I would say warriors in a damage role are kind of like Deadwood. You can destroy everything up until 1650 or so, then the dropoff is dramatic and you never see him in competitive games.
So, it all makes sense now, you actually feel that the only way to be an effective damage dealing warrior is to run a frenzy build… No wonder you get so antsy when people request it be removed or toned down.
I’m not saying Warriors are fine without it, just that you have a major conflict of interest going on there buddy. Warriors definitely need a tweak, but Quickness is NOT the answer to their current situation, I’m sure even you can see that.
The very fact a build has to rely on an ability like Quickness, not only shows how broken Warriors are, but how powerful Quickness is. Both could do with a reasonable tweak.
no im accepting of the situation and am in the process of transitioning from warrior :P
frenzy destroys noobs. it always has and always will. drops off dramatically against higher tier players. I argue against people who want to remove frenzy because I don’t think the answer to bad play is to encourage it by removing things that cause it. it would be better for the bad players to get better, no?
Oh absolutely, but just because you can learn how to deal with a bad game mechanic, doesn’t stop it from being a bad game mechanic. This game is supposed to not only cater to the “Pro’s”, it is supposed to cater to everyone of all different skill levels. An ability that allows a player to decimate a lesser skilled player without even given them a chance, and that is also just a crutch ability to give the profession using it a chance, has no place in PvP.
You seem to think the only reason people want it toned down or removed is because they are “bad” – that is an incredibly one dimensional way of looking at things. We are looking not only at skill levels of said players, but all aspects of PvP and how an ability like Quickness affects those aspects of PvP.
No one ability should be a crutch for a profession to make them feel somewhat viable. No one ability should decimate a lesser skilled person without giving them a chance to react. No one ability should turn off players by making them feel so utterly helpless if their defensive cooldowns aren’t up. Everything about Quickness is a detriment to PvP as a whole. The only thing it does do is allow broken Professions to get by. It’s a very bad crutch ability, nothing more, nothing less.
well phantaram from paradigm made my warrior look embarrassing last night on his ele lol
As damage, I think they are too gimmicky and thus too easily countered at high level competition, and if when they get real matchmaking implemented you won’t see many at high tier games, except maybe in a support or point holding role.
If they can make warrior less viable to faceroll baddies and average players, but more viable in higher tier games, that would be an improvement. It really shines right now versus average to bad players because it can kill them really fast, but any skilled player using any other class would attain the same results. It would just be less obvious because its over a longer period of time.
Plague made a good point about dps warriors not ‘doing’ as much as other classes. Traitwise its mostly getting things like 10% damage vs bleeding, 10% damage with a certain weapon, etc, which leads to a very stat-driven gimmicky build. And then to effectively deliver damage, the utility skills pretty much always need bulls rush and frenzy and stability, and if you swap any of those out you are asking for trouble.
If anyone played HoN, I would say warriors in a damage role are kind of like Deadwood. You can destroy everything up until 1650 or so, then the dropoff is dramatic and you never see him in competitive games.
So, it all makes sense now, you actually feel that the only way to be an effective damage dealing warrior is to run a frenzy build… No wonder you get so antsy when people request it be removed or toned down.
I’m not saying Warriors are fine without it, just that you have a major conflict of interest going on there buddy. Warriors definitely need a tweak, but Quickness is NOT the answer to their current situation, I’m sure even you can see that.
The very fact a build has to rely on an ability like Quickness, not only shows how broken Warriors are, but how powerful Quickness is. Both could do with a reasonable tweak.
You can run a Warrior build without Frenzy, although a Warrior’s main advantage is its ability to burst damage and disrupt constantly. Not bringing it is tantamount to forgoing that advantage, and not optimizing appropriately. I actually tend to run without it, because unlike GW1, there is no cancel stance to use it. I instead just use Endure Pain along with the mandatory Balanced Stance (which has been acting weird since the last patch). Usually either Bull’s or Bolas if I’m feeling like being a pest, to fill in the third.
When you run a melee build of any kind you’re generally locked to those skills because of how the class operates. Balanced, Dolyak’s maybe, Endure Pain on a good portion of them and Frenzy. The others are often novelties because they don’t orient themselves directly to what the Warrior is supposed to do. Since you can’t trait effectively to change playstyle (5%, 10%, etc), this makes it hard to get those skills off your secondaries. Ranged builds don’t necessarily require those skills but they often find their way onto your skillbar anyway. A lot of the Warrior secondary skills also tend to just apply a boon or up your defense, offense, etc rather than actively doing something that changes your playstyle. No clones or smoke bombs or teleports or making impassable walls, etc. Just +stat.
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?