Guild Wars 2

Why is there now a target needed for steal? 0.0 Can’t go stealth or gain Boons anymore.

Embrace the pain.

Thats because you can’t steal spoon, if there is no spoon.

There are still thieves playing this game. Must fix it.

Cant steal anymore boons from oxygen :P

How dare you pretend to be effective with the thief class?

Ragnarox.9601:

Cant steal anymore boons from oxygen :P

So I guess if the target doesn’t have swiftness/fury/might thief shouldn’t even get those boons with Thrill, right?

Oh crap, I gave them another nerf idea.

syntohras.1064:

Why is there now a target needed for steal?`[…]

What were you stealing from before? Thin air? It’s amazing how long that have been going on.

Sometimes mechanics overule lore, but this is a case of lore overruling mechanics. It just didn’t make any sense.

Now, I would not be against some F3 skill slot that can give the thief some sort of self-boost. Like a second pocket you can get. maybe with a trait, that stores defensive items instead offensive ones like F2 does, and make it so boons, stealth stun breaks and other self-targeted effects are linked to that one instead on stealing.

So, for example, stealing from a mesmer with that pocket would no longer give you a plasma that gives boons, but a skill that deals lots of short duration conditions on the enemy, and one usual plasma that gives the thief lots of short boons; from a guardian you’d get the usual mace, but also something that gives some stacks of stability and aegis to self; and so on.
You then choose to use either, but both are lost when either is used.

But stealing itself has to reach an enemy and actually steal from them to have its effects.

MithranArkanere.8957:

syntohras.1064:

Why is there now a target needed for steal?`[…]

What were you stealing from before? Thin air? It’s amazing how long that have been going on.

Sometimes mechanics overule lore, but this is a case of lore overruling mechanics. It just didn’t make any sense.

Now, I would not be against some F3 skill slot that can give the thief some sort of self-boost. Like a second pocket you can get with a trait that stores defensive items instead offensive ones like F2 does, and make it so boons, stealth stun breaks and other defensive effects are linked to that one instead on stealing.

But stealing itself has to reach an enemy and actually steal from them to have its effects.

Let’s apply this amazing logic to EVERY SINGLE spell in game so it makes “sense”. For example backstab can be blocked when hitting from behind, what are you blocking with? Or i get hit by channeled spells in stealth, WHAT are they even following if enemy can’t see me? Or if i steal axe from warrior WHY can he STILL use his AXE? I plant a tree on the ground, WHY can enemies run through it? Why can ranger pet still run around and even rez ranger when i killed it?

I cant stop crying, when i playing thief on spvp.

Cynz.9437:

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Let’s apply this amazing logic to EVERY SINGLE spell in game so it makes “sense”. For example backstab can be blocked when hitting from behind, what are you blocking with? Or i get hit by channeled spells in stealth, WHAT are they even following if enemy can’t see me? Of if i steal axe from warrior WHY can he STILL use his AXE?

When steal is on recharge, you have all other skills. If you actually threw the axe, you lose the autoattack and 2 weapon skills, and there’s no unarmed skills to replace them meanwhile. So they have to keep the axe.

There’s actually weapons that work that way, but they are on NPCs hands in PvE. You can prevent a Jotun from getting its weapon back, and they attack with unarmed attacks.

As fun as it’ll be to actually be able to disarm an enemy and force them to use unarmed attacks until they recover their weapon, it’ll be too annoying to the one using the weapon, and they would simply stop using the skill.

Weapons having a ‘hammerspace’ and not needing ammo or extra weapons to keep throwing them saves lots of hassles. That’s why rangers can just keep firing arros and throwing axes without ever running out.

So in that case mechanics overrule lore. I did say the opposite happens too. It goes on a case by case.

MithranArkanere.8957:

syntohras.1064:

Why is there now a target needed for steal?`[…]

What were you stealing from before? Thin air? It’s amazing how long that have been going on.

Sometimes mechanics overule lore, but this is a case of lore overruling mechanics. It just didn’t make any sense.

Now, I would not be against some F3 skill slot that can give the thief some sort of self-boost. Like a second pocket you can get. maybe with a trait, that stores defensive items instead offensive ones like F2 does, and make it so boons, stealth stun breaks and other self-targeted effects are linked to that one instead on stealing.

So, for example, stealing from a mesmer with that pocket would no longer give you a plasma that gives boons, but a skill that deals lots of short duration conditions on the enemy, and one usual plasma that gives the thief lots of short boons; from a guardian you’d get the usual mace, but also something that gives some stacks of stability and aegis to self; and so on.
You then choose to use either, but both are lost when either is used.

But stealing itself has to reach an enemy and actually steal from them to have its effects.

I guess I should permanently steal legendaries and gold too from my foes ,where is the logic when I cannot actually steal from the enemy’s inventory

Kolly.9872:

MithranArkanere.8957:

syntohras.1064:

Why is there now a target needed for steal?`[…]

What were you stealing from before? Thin air? It’s amazing how long that have been going on.

Sometimes mechanics overule lore, but this is a case of lore overruling mechanics. It just didn’t make any sense.

Now, I would not be against some F3 skill slot that can give the thief some sort of self-boost. Like a second pocket you can get. maybe with a trait, that stores defensive items instead offensive ones like F2 does, and make it so boons, stealth stun breaks and other self-targeted effects are linked to that one instead on stealing.

So, for example, stealing from a mesmer with that pocket would no longer give you a plasma that gives boons, but a skill that deals lots of short duration conditions on the enemy, and one usual plasma that gives the thief lots of short boons; from a guardian you’d get the usual mace, but also something that gives some stacks of stability and aegis to self; and so on.
You then choose to use either, but both are lost when either is used.

But stealing itself has to reach an enemy and actually steal from them to have its effects.

I guess I should permanently steal legendaries and gold too from my foes ,where is the logic when I cannot actually steal from the enemy’s inventory

You should steal pips from your foes.

Mithran ur points doens’t make any sense. Did you think now that classes got balanced also with realism? lol so then every other classes need such nerves. No channeling kitten anymore witch is unlogical like heck when thief go in stealth.

The right point is → there wasn’t anything wrong with a non target steal about 3 years. So why now such a ninja nerv?

Cynz.9437:

Why can ranger pet still run around and even rez ranger when i killed it?

That was questioned a long time ago, even got some great suggestions like this one:

“there should be a long cooldown between bringing out a pet after it gets killed. Realistically, after a pet dies the ranger should have to dig kitten and bury the pet in a cardboard box then morn it for 5-10 weeks before buying a new one from the pet store” styx.7294
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Ranger-Pets-Overpowered/first#post3691506

So if the ranger pet refuses to die and the ranger can’t properly grief, seems ok for thief steal from air. It is a thief, never underestimate what and how far one can go to steal.

MithranArkanere.8957:

syntohras.1064:

Why is there now a target needed for steal?`[…]

What were you stealing from before? Thin air? It’s amazing how long that have been going on.

Sometimes mechanics overule lore, but this is a case of lore overruling mechanics. It just didn’t make any sense.

Now, I would not be against some F3 skill slot that can give the thief some sort of self-boost. Like a second pocket you can get. maybe with a trait, that stores defensive items instead offensive ones like F2 does, and make it so boons, stealth stun breaks and other self-targeted effects are linked to that one instead on stealing.

So, for example, stealing from a mesmer with that pocket would no longer give you a plasma that gives boons, but a skill that deals lots of short duration conditions on the enemy, and one usual plasma that gives the thief lots of short boons; from a guardian you’d get the usual mace, but also something that gives some stacks of stability and aegis to self; and so on.
You then choose to use either, but both are lost when either is used.

But stealing itself has to reach an enemy and actually steal from them to have its effects.

Care to apply logic to Mesmer shatter? In that case, Mesmer should insta die from using any F abilities.

Gabriell.4856:

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Care to apply logic to Mesmer shatter? In that case, Mesmer should insta die from using any F abilities.

Clones and phantasms are hollow. Mesmers that shatter on their location are shattering a clone that is around them like a second skin, not themselves.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Clones and phantasms are hollow. Mesmers that shatter on their location are shattering a clone that is around them like a second skin, not themselves.

Yup. That’s why a bomb vest is totally safe for the user…

Anywy, to recapitulate: mechanics overrule lore, except if lore can kitten up teefs.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Gabriell.4856:

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Care to apply logic to Mesmer shatter? In that case, Mesmer should insta die from using any F abilities.

Clones and phantasms are hollow. Mesmers that shatter on their location are shattering a clone that is around them like a second skin, not themselves.

I can tell you’re trying very hard, but I think deep down you know you’re wrong here. There’s no way ANet implemented this nerf based on “realism”

I must say I laughed at this change. Not because of any prejudice to thieves but because of how uncalled for and out of the blue it came.

Who knows, hopefully it’s a bug and someone from ANet can comment on this change, maybe on Reddit?

This has already been fixed. They fixed it in last nights patch.