Guild Wars 2

And which do you guys find fun, and good in PvP?

Aoe or Single target damage? Which are you looking for?

Engineer does the most DoT I’m pretty sure, now I’d say Thief is better at Bursts (or maybe Rifle Warrior) and Rangers at sustained.

They’re all similar from what I can tell. Ranger just may be a slight cut above the rest though. They’re solid in PvP too

DeathByCactus.3954:

Aoe or Single target damage? Which are you looking for?

Single target

I don’t know if it’s the highest per say, but you’d have fun with a rifle warrior for ranged single target dps

Engineer has the most options.

You have a Mortar as an elite you can drop for anyone to use, you have Grenades that can spec for over 1200m, you have a flame thrower which is short to medium, you have pistols and rifles which are medium to long range, and you have bombs you can drop behind you has you retreat.

Due to the diversity in range options, I would say the Engineer is superior in damage because you can chose which type of range you want at any time.

illgot.1056:

Engineer has the most options.

You have a Mortar as an elite you can drop for anyone to use, you have Grenades that can spec for over 1200m, you have a flame thrower which is short to medium, you have pistols and rifles which are medium to long range, and you have bombs you can drop behind you has you retreat.

Due to the diversity in range options, I would say the Engineer is superior in damage because you can chose which type of range you want at any time.

This is only kind of true as you have to choose these options before the battle, many are based off of spec and which skills you choose, also you need to remember that while you can switch to a kit as an engineer you cannot switch weapons during combat. So while diversity is technically there, you have to decide before the battle.

From what I’ve seen it has to be ranger. I play an engineer, and we have to press three buttons to equal the same burst from a ranger pressing one button. Our best burst is rifle with the static charge from tool belt.

Rifle warrior, for the burst. Most fun? Necro.

Rifle War Burst and Necro DoT.

Old thread. Dun dun dun

An elementalist casting a meteor shower into a WvW zerg would likely deal the most damage when it comes to AoE bursting. :-)

Since you know, each meteor can hit up to 5 targets, instead of the spell as a whole.

why is nobody saying mesmer? they’re miles above ranger.

vespers.1759:

why is nobody saying mesmer? they’re miles above ranger.

This is exactly what I was thinking, Lasersword trumps Longbow any day.

vespers.1759:

why is nobody saying mesmer? they’re miles above ranger.

This x9001 best ranged burst of all the classes+insane survivability=gods of pvp

Single Target Ranged DPS….

Probably GS Mesmer with an honorable mention Rifle Warrior.

If you throw wet noodles at someone, it does more damage than a glass cannon ranger with bows or axes. In all seriousness, I’d be betting on mesmer tho, fun to play and does pretty insane damage.

TexZero.7910:

Single Target Ranged DPS….

Probably GS Mesmer with an honorable mention Rifle Warrior.

Well technically a sniper warrior build can deal a 9-11000 damage crit with it’s burst skill, currently the highest in the game. So warrior does win in burst damage, but that build only works to a certain finite point.

Conncept.7638:

TexZero.7910:

Single Target Ranged DPS….

Probably GS Mesmer with an honorable mention Rifle Warrior.

Well technically a sniper warrior build can deal a 9-11000 damage crit with it’s burst skill, currently the highest in the game. So warrior does win in burst damage, but that build only works to a certain finite point.

It works fairly well if utilized correctly. I mean that in the sense that anyone can run the build but in experienced and capable hands it can be pretty dang frighting, especially if you watch your buddy get 1 shot.

Engineer. Throw 3 Grenades which hits 5 people which critically hit for 1k+. Shrapnel Grenade hits for 1.2k+ and I see Grenade Barrage hitting for 1.6k each. Not to mention the constant stack on bleeds coming from the Grenades which can easily be kept above a stack of 10 and the Vulnerability offers a group wide damage increase which again, can be kept above 15+ easily.

A good ranger with a LB.

According to Anet tho Rangers are the masters of ranged combat.Its kinda true since Shortbow has a very good auto attack.Rangers cant burst but they can stick to a target with their pets and do some serious dmg over time.And imagine that it was nerfed a bit,combined with haste even more..Before this nerf was hell itself

Single target rangeD? coudl well be rifle warriors. Though i dont know that its very viable man.

For single-target, I’d say Thief, Elementalist, Warrior, and Mesmer are all pretty viable. For aoe and/or sustained I would suggest Engineer, Necromancer, or Elementalist (again), and perhaps Ranger.

Out of all the damaging classes, Elementalist, Mesmer, Engineer, and Thief have the highest learning curve—in my opinion—but if you play them well they’re very rewarding classses. Warrior, Necromancer, and Ranger are easier for beginners.

Guardians, while typically a support class, can deliver sustained damage in their own right. However, I don’t have enough experience with the class to make any suggestions.

Personally, I play Thief and I find it very fun. Some weapon sets are much more difficult to play than others, though.

Aristio.2784:

Engineer. Throw 3 Grenades which hits 5 people which critically hit for 1k+. Shrapnel Grenade hits for 1.2k+ and I see Grenade Barrage hitting for 1.6k each. Not to mention the constant stack on bleeds coming from the Grenades which can easily be kept above a stack of 10 and the Vulnerability offers a group wide damage increase which again, can be kept above 15+ easily.

I disagree. You won’t see 1k+ grenade 1s in full zerkers, you’ll see higher on shrapnel and lower on barrage. 10+ bleeds is an exaggeration and don’t mean much in a power build. Also, you make the assumption that it’s a wise idea to spam 1 on grenades, which it isn’t, and that you land all of your grenades, which is impossible, when you mention the vuln. I’m not sayin they aren’t one of the best, power nades probably is if you had a stationary target, but I just think you’re slightly overplaying it. Also, power engis feel more like thieves sometimes with their number of hard hitting melee attacks via rifle.

Overall, given that you’re left alone to do your thing, I’d say that thieves do the most ranged damage with shortbow. Trick shot and cluster bomb hit like a kittenin truck, that poison field is massive and underutilized and the multi-hit attacks make opportunist proc like mad ho from a large range.

Yeah I agree with Ostricheggs,

Engineer only real source of range damage is Grenade. And it will hit like a truck only if the target is stationnary or close range. I’m not sure it’s the ideal.

For any other situation, GS mesmer, bow thief, necro, warrior are better option. Even Ranger can be better option.

P/P Engineer got a weak auto attack, and static shot. Poison dart will miss half the shots from range. Rest is close range.

Rifle only range attack is the auto attack.

Bomb/Flamethrower/toolkit are all melee range. Elixir Gun is weak for damage.

I’m going for ether Mesmer or Thief. And they can both kite really well.

Mantra mesmer all the way— honestly.

A ranger with a jaguar spamming crossfire will do more damage than a Shortbow thief single-target. Crossfire hits nearly twice in a second, and puts up 2 bleeds in that same time.But first you have to find a Ranger with a jaguar and somehow make that viable in a bezerker set.

You could probably get some pretty decent single target/aoe damage out of a mesmer..

Specced phantasms to perch, Glass cannon.

Warlock Chaos storm > Berserker Spam greatsword attacks…
PRETTY USELESS if you pull him down though… would have to blink/portal back up.

Talk about most boring class to play :/ just sit and pew pew.

Necro Ranged wells anybody? :/ 3 wells, Staff, Ranged Root.

with a beast mastery / precision LB ranger i can get some freakishly huge burst
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-Fo-F-0;0F-u-r2gDV-0;9V8b;19T;0T0;0069;406B6 kitten 1F-03F-035BZ
open with casting Rampage as One+barrage while sending in your kitty, then pop quickness, “sick em!” and rapid fire, pewpewpew!
you could always replace the runes with something like Scholar, but i like the crit from the 100 precision.

edit: link wont work because Anet in their infinite wisdom decided to part of the link (-|V|4|6|; without the |) was offensive and should be replaced with “kitten”…
what idiot coded the filter!?…

Liewec.2896:

with a beast mastery / precision LB ranger i can get some freakishly huge burst
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-Fo-F-0;0F-u-r2gDV-0;9V8b;19T;0T0;0069;406B6 kitten 1F-03F-035BZ
open with casting Rampage as One+barrage while sending in your kitty, then pop quickness, “sick em!” and rapid fire, pewpewpew!
you could always replace the runes with something like Scholar, but i like the crit from the 100 precision.

I keep getting “Bad Link” with all of the intothemists builds. Maybe repost with a different build editor?

You have to copy & paste the link into your address bar.

illgot.1056:

Engineer has the most options.

You have a Mortar as an elite you can drop for anyone to use, you have Grenades that can spec for over 1200m, you have a flame thrower which is short to medium, you have pistols and rifles which are medium to long range, and you have bombs you can drop behind you has you retreat.

Due to the diversity in range options, I would say the Engineer is superior in damage because you can chose which type of range you want at any time.

You cannot be serious.

ensoriki.5789:

You have to copy & paste the link into your address bar.

Thank you!

I play phantasm Mesmer most of the time now and pound for pound, a shortbow ranger will drop me quicker then I can drop him. Depending on utilities of course, but I run arcane thievery, null field and decoy so not many escape options.

With a bit of burst from me in a hidden position, boon steal and pistol stun, I can get him down if he doesn’t expect it.

Moa for a sure kill.

Ganadorf.3460:

And which do you guys find fun, and good in PvP?

The 100 nades engineer does the most dps in the game, with over 25k burst if rotation is landed properly. I had the chance to sit down with the creator of this build and do a guide video if you’re interested in checking it out just click here.

Zodian.6597:

Ganadorf.3460:

And which do you guys find fun, and good in PvP?

The 100 nades engineer does the most dps in the game, with over 25k burst if rotation is landed properly. I had the chance to sit down with the creator of this build and do a guide video if you’re interested in checking it out just click here.

Why suggest a build that they just announced they’re nerfing?

Shortbow on Rangers spamming Auto-1 and I was like:

“RANGER! IT HURTS!

ISTAHP!

PLEASE!

ISTAHP!"

Mesmer Lazerbeam build is going to be ridiculous next patch. not surprised if new build is like

GS/Scepter Focus(*pistol)
Berserker+Scholar/Eagle/Air(Maybe even thief if beside)
(Decoy_Blink_Portal_Timewarp)

How2Play,
Get on the ledge at keep pew pew
Get on the ledge at GY pew pew
Get on the ledge at Orb pew pew
Get on the ledge at Gate pew pew

IF you are ever unable to Pew pew, Blink back to where you were pew pewing.
IF your blink is down, portal back up to your ledge, commence pew pew.

Zodian.6597:

Ganadorf.3460:

And which do you guys find fun, and good in PvP?

The 100 nades engineer does the most dps in the game, with over 25k burst if rotation is landed properly. I had the chance to sit down with the creator of this build and do a guide video if you’re interested in checking it out just click here.

Uhm the topic was about doing ranged damage. 100nades burst is closer than melee range. And it is going to get nerfed again in the next patch. 1200-1500 ranged grenade kit spike is only possible against targets who stand still or using e.g. supply crate for area stun + net turret (180 s cooldown!) + grenade barrage + freeze grenade etc. Such 1200 range spike would be in the ball park of about 8k, far from 25k. And this assumes the enemy doesn’t dodge it in the 1st place and doesn’t have a stunbreak. The grenades travel so slowly that if you cannot dodge them from 1200 range, you will have huge trouble in the game anycase.

And if you talk only about dps are you sure that 100nades does more dps than e.g. a warrior?

According my personal experiences and playing all 8 professions, engineers are indeed versatile and can do okay in melee to long range damage and AoE damage, good support and certain engineer builds have okay survivability. Yet they are not the best in any of those. Engineer autoattack (attack #1) should be slightly buffed for all weapons and kits to make them to the same level with other professions. The kit refinement damage can be nerfed to reduce the burst and problem solved. You have to take into consideration that many engineer attacks e.g. elixir gun #2 (elixir F) and grenades at >900 range are very easy to dodge (you don’t need to even use your dodge button, just move from your current position).

If the realistic real life damage output from engineers would be as great as the game designers and some people here in the forums claim to be, then more people would actually be playing an engineer.

A game should not be balanced based on what 1-2 top guys in the world can pull off or testing the weapons and skills against stationary test dummies or hero NPCs in the Heart of Mists. Currently we have a very “interesting” situation. The rarest profession in the game gets mildly nerfed patch after patch. What a “great” way to bring more versatility and “balance” to the game!

I would not be surprised if the next patch will buff greatsword for both warriors, guardians and mesmers, because it is already the most popular weapon for those professions. Of course the most popular choices need buffing and the least popular choices need nerfing <— sarcasm

Zinwrath.2049:

Zodian.6597:

Ganadorf.3460:

And which do you guys find fun, and good in PvP?

The 100 nades engineer does the most dps in the game, with over 25k burst if rotation is landed properly. I had the chance to sit down with the creator of this build and do a guide video if you’re interested in checking it out just click here.

Why suggest a build that they just announced they’re nerfing?

Knowing ArenaNet, it’ll be a superficial nerf in about 4 months.

Mesmer gs and rifle wars. Staff eles for wvw zergs. Rangers are in the bottom 4 when it comes to ranged dps. Pathetic.

nerva.7940:

Mesmer gs and rifle wars. Staff eles for wvw zergs. Rangers are in the bottom 4 when it comes to ranged dps. Pathetic.

….. this has no bearing on spvp though.

Mesmers are often staff because of defense, gs mesmers are easy to kill. Staff eles virtually dont exist in spvp. Rifle warriors? Aka dead warriors.

Best ranged damage? Engineer with static discharge build. Over 20k dmg in less than 2s without any quickness, might stacking preparation ect. And on long range.

100nades engi isnt ranged its opposit because you must be regulary inside of enemy model to do the trick.

Valkyriez.6578:

I play phantasm Mesmer most of the time now and pound for pound, a shortbow ranger will drop me quicker then I can drop him. Depending on utilities of course, but I run arcane thievery, null field and decoy so not many escape options.

With a bit of burst from me in a hidden position, boon steal and pistol stun, I can get him down if he doesn’t expect it.

Moa for a sure kill.

There’s your problem. You need feedback to kill a ranger, though a smart one will just dodge out of it. If you time it right, it can be pretty successful. At the very least, it’ll buy you time to throw out a phantasm and get close for sword 2.

daydream.2938:

nerva.7940:

Mesmer gs and rifle wars. Staff eles for wvw zergs. Rangers are in the bottom 4 when it comes to ranged dps. Pathetic.

….. this has no bearing on spvp though.

Mesmers are often staff because of defense, gs mesmers are easy to kill. Staff eles virtually dont exist in spvp. Rifle warriors? Aka dead warriors.

My mesmer is GS/sword+pistol and I rarely ever lose 1v1 (only to thieves with their stealth). My mesmer isn’t glass cannon though. IMO, staff sucks for mesmer unless you’re doing condition (which really isn’t good anyway in spvp)