Guild Wars 2

Defenders (bunkers) play an invaluable role in point capture maps but aren’t rewarded as such in GW2. I play a bunker Guardian and always end up with one of the lowest scores on my team unless people constantly suicide attack the point that I’m protecting. You get a bonus reward for killing people on your point but keeping people away from the point gives you nothing.

1. What if you got points/glory over time while standing on a point that your team owns?
- What if you got bonus points/glory over time while standing on a contested point?

2. What if you got points/glory when you leave combat on a point that your team owns?

3. What if you got bonus points/glory when you contest/capture a point by physically keeping enemies out? What I mean is using Knock-Backs, Immobilizes, Fears, Wards, etc to prevent enemies from entering the point long enough for you to capture it. I’m not sure how it could be implemented mechanically but pulling this off requires some skill so I think it should be rewarded.

I enjoy the “bunker” play-style but it’s really discouraging when I see Thieves and Warriors getting 3x my score/glory by mindlessly running around attacking points. My role is just as vital to our team’s success as theirs is.

Thoughts?

You don’t play tournaments for glory and bunkers are really only for tournaments. You shouldn’t be using a bunker in hotjoin. You should be glory farming there. Not only are you preventing yourself from accumulating glory, you’re also stopping others from doing so. :P

Chi Malady.2015:

You don’t play tournaments for glory and bunkers are really only for tournaments. You shouldn’t be using a bunker in hotjoin. You should be glory farming there. Not only are you preventing yourself from accumulating glory, you’re also stopping others from doing so. :P

I don’t disagree that you’ll get more glory by just thief ganking, but this is basically equivalent to saying “lol you’re trying to use strategy? Just zerg.”

Unfortunately, it’s all too true that most people join 8v8s just to follow their group and get as many points as they can. Things like playing as a team or trying to win the match—that’s only in tournaments.

Chi Malady.2015:

You don’t play tournaments for glory and bunkers are really only for tournaments. You shouldn’t be using a bunker in hotjoin. You should be glory farming there. Not only are you preventing yourself from accumulating glory, you’re also stopping others from doing so. :P

This is a good point, but everyone has different play styles and while hot-join is for glory farming, it also for casual players. And a casual player will assume the point needs to be defended and will try a bunker build.

If they were to give points for defending, I think the points should be similar that to the treb on Khylo. Three points every X amount of seconds. Also that would give the players more of an idea what tournaments are like. They have to have someone defend, and maybe they would want that role.

IN almost every game, and for that matter sports, it is hard to quantify defense.

You’re right, and it kinda sucks. However…

If your point is constantly getting attacked, then you’ll get a good amount of glory from it when you kill people. I don’t really farm glory or care about how high my glory rank is, but you should look into all the bonuses you can get. It might help.

If no one comes to your point and you’re bunkering (defending) it, then it doesn’t make much sense for you to receive a lot of glory because you’re not doing much for your team. Let me explain.

The idea of a bunker is to survive until help can arrive. The idea of a point defender is to not lose 1v1s, help fights at other points if no one is on his point, and be mobile enough to get back to his point if someone goes there (this is why portal makes mesmers a great defender because it’s a lot easier to get back to your point). This is because the game will turn into a 5v4 on 2 points if the enemy team ignores your point that you’re defending and you never move off it.

If you want to get more glory, then maybe it’s a good idea to start moving off your point when no one comes to it. If you’re not mobile enough, then maybe it’s worth looking into incorporating more mobility into your build so you can get more glory!

Bunkering is an abnormal playstyle that has evolved solely because of the game mode.

Aka ‘griefering’. Why would you reward griefing and stalling?

I completely agree with this point. I posted my own thread about not getting glory for playing strategically and they should really change it. Zerging should be punished.

This mentality is one of the reasons 8v8 hot join is so zergy:

Chi Malady.2015:

You don’t play tournaments for glory and bunkers are really only for tournaments.

Chi Malady.2015:

You shouldn’t be using a bunker in hotjoin. You should be glory farming there.

Farming glory for what? 8v8 hot join is a valid game mode, and does exactly what it says on the tin “hot join”.

It allows you to fire up GW2 and jump straight in a game without worrying about setting up a team and waiting for ages to find a opponents.

There is no benefit to “farming glory” in hot join as you gain nothing.

The entrenched thinking that hot join is some sort of stepping stone to tournaments whether free or paid is just wrong and has originated from the Wow mentality of “Battlegrounds are for farming honour to buy gear so you can perform better in arena”

8v8 and 5v5 hot joins are valid game modes, people should be able to play exactly as they please.

I completely agree with the OP, the only thing that is flawed is the scoring system which seems to reward kills and zerging instead of team play and gaining objectives.

Exactly Fishy, I’ve made my own post about this a day ago aswell and there are other posts out there that support the opinion that farming glory by zerging should be punished and instead reward players who play another way.