Guild Wars 2

hackks.3687:

CooloutAC.3451:

MithranArkanere.8957:

Score doesn’t matter because it doesn’t consider defense, support and assists.

With only a fraction of the factors that determine victory showing in personal score, the number shown there is mostly inconsequential.

Thats like saying goal scores in basketball don’t matter, because it doesn’t consider things like blocks, steals and assists…. Do you see how jealous nerd that sounds?

They post stats of all players that include their Assists, Steals, Blocks, Turnovers, etc.

Yes, but goals are still called “scores” or “points”. I agree though that gw2 should list the other stats on a scoreboard for the match. For example, stats from all those top player purple orb stats at the end of matches, which is what I play the game for somrtimes. I’ve wanted that since gw1.

Well who’s the better player, the guy who double caps everything irregardless if there is a fight on that node (or the fight just finished and double caps anyway) to inflate his score or the guy who rotates to mid because he realizes numbers elsewhere matter? Decisions are more important than personal score metrics when each decision better contributes to the outcome of the match. Just because you tagged a guy for points that someone else spent 2 minutes fighting and would have won anyway doesn’t mean kitten.

CooloutAC.3451:

Browrain.7346:

CooloutAC.3451:

rennlc.7346:

They say it doesn’t matter because they think it doesn’t it matter. Whatever stance you take on score, whether it’s closer to one extreme (“Best score = best player always!”) or the other (“Score means absolutely nothing ever!”), there are going to be plenty of exceptions to that rule. In my opinion, it’s more beneficial to look at GW2’s relationship between score and skill (and lack thereof) as an opportunity to learn more about the use and misuse of statistics than to attempt to determine a concrete answer on how important or unimportant score currently is in this game.

In my opinion its no different then any team sport. GW2 is no exception. nerds just can’t understand that.

Let me make this easier for you. Look at shutdown corners in football like Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman. Many games, their stats are crap. Why? Because the opposing quarterback completely avoids throwing in their direction.

ok so I guess you agree now that gw2 isn’t any diff from any other team sport? But one difference is, in professional athletic sports, noone goes around saying personal score doesn’t mean anything because of the other factors that go into a team win. That would be silly.

I don’t agree that it’s no different from other sports. I made the reference because it seemed like the only way to get you to use your brain.

CooloutAC.3451:

rennlc.7346:

They say it doesn’t matter because they think it doesn’t it matter. Whatever stance you take on score, whether it’s closer to one extreme (“Best score = best player always!”) or the other (“Score means absolutely nothing ever!”), there are going to be plenty of exceptions to that rule. In my opinion, it’s more beneficial to look at GW2’s relationship between score and skill (and lack thereof) as an opportunity to learn more about the use and misuse of statistics than to attempt to determine a concrete answer on how important or unimportant score currently is in this game.

In my opinion its no different then any team sport. GW2 is no exception. nerds just can’t understand that.

I like how this guy thinks he’s cool because he turns off his computer every now and then to go and sit in front of the tv.

Entioch.6594:

CooloutAC.3451:

Chaba.5410:

So what you’re saying, CooloutAC, is that I should double-cap points with a teammate to increase my personal score instead of moving off to +1 the fight at mid?

That is totally up to you. I can’t tell you what to do. Depends on the enemy team. I usually don’t double cap myself. Most good players don’t but it all depends. ANd yet they will still consistently score higher. Because there are many opportunities to cap and because of many other things that give personal points.

As I keep saying, the top scorer on a basketball team match, is also not necessarily the mvp or on the winning team. There are other stats like assists, blocks, steals, etc…. refer to the top player purple orb stats at the end of a gw2 match.

LMFAO

Screenshotted, that’s Darwin award material. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems your under the impression that top stat awards at the end of the match have some correlation with person score?

some of them do some of them don’t

cgMatt.5162:

Well who’s the better player, the guy who double caps everything irregardless if there is a fight on that node (or the fight just finished and double caps anyway) to inflate his score or the guy who rotates to mid because he realizes numbers elsewhere matter? Decisions are more important than personal score metrics when each decision better contributes to the outcome of the match. Just because you tagged a guy for points that someone else spent 2 minutes fighting and would have won anyway doesn’t mean kitten.

you are under the impression that the guy double capping will automatically have the top score….. I’d say most likely he won’t… I don’t reallty think its as easy to do as you think and is probably counter productive for that goal lol. Sort of like the myth gullible nerds believe about losing on purpose to go on win streaks and get pips faster….nonsense.

IMO playing to win, will get you a higher score more often then not, then playing only for personal score…. A good player will score higher in general, then a bad one.

Browrain.7346:

CooloutAC.3451:

Browrain.7346:

CooloutAC.3451:

rennlc.7346:

They say it doesn’t matter because they think it doesn’t it matter. Whatever stance you take on score, whether it’s closer to one extreme (“Best score = best player always!”) or the other (“Score means absolutely nothing ever!”), there are going to be plenty of exceptions to that rule. In my opinion, it’s more beneficial to look at GW2’s relationship between score and skill (and lack thereof) as an opportunity to learn more about the use and misuse of statistics than to attempt to determine a concrete answer on how important or unimportant score currently is in this game.

In my opinion its no different then any team sport. GW2 is no exception. nerds just can’t understand that.

Let me make this easier for you. Look at shutdown corners in football like Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman. Many games, their stats are crap. Why? Because the opposing quarterback completely avoids throwing in their direction.

ok so I guess you agree now that gw2 isn’t any diff from any other team sport? But one difference is, in professional athletic sports, noone goes around saying personal score doesn’t mean anything because of the other factors that go into a team win. That would be silly.

I don’t agree that it’s no different from other sports. I made the reference because it seemed like the only way to get you to use your brain.

Then I don’t think you know what you agree or disagree with anymore….

CooloutAC.3451:

MithranArkanere.8957:

Score doesn’t matter because it doesn’t consider defense, support and assists.

With only a fraction of the factors that determine victory showing in personal score, the number shown there is mostly inconsequential.

Thats like saying goal scores in basketball don’t matter, because it doesn’t consider things like blocks, steals and assists…. Do you see how jealous nerd that sounds?

No. That is not a valid analogy. In a basketball match, the Goal scores would correspond to the Team score in GW2’s matches.

Basketball has no personal scores, unless you count season statistics like those you read in sports trading cards. In which case, they do count things like blocks, steals and assists, which personal score in GW2 doesn’t do.

XGhoul.7426:

The fact that the OP managed to reel in 40+ responses in an obvious troll thread, hats off to him, 10/10.

It takes one to know one. Teeheehee

CooloutAC.3451:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

SCORE DOES MATTER

If the rest of the team has 100+ and you have 30, and it was a close game.

Definitely you are dead weight

Well typing everything with uppercase letters help almost as much as score does to a game.

So you are calling me dead weight when I defend home point from being captured through a whole match? Now usually I do get scores sometimes, I do this as there are players trying to take home point and I kill them but most of the time I get to fight Eles or other tanky builds and the fight can go on for almost the whole match if I don’t get help. But I know for sure that as long as I keep the cap point in my teams colour I am contributing to the team with or without any personal score. On the other hand for a tanky build trying to take the cap from an enemy player and who never succeeds to cap the point, well that player is a dead weight.

Please read first.

It would NOT be a close match if you bunked or defended the whole game.

I did read and I did understand it quite well mind you. If I defend or not won’t result in uneven matches, it is all depend on what strategys both teams are using. As a defender I evaluate if I am needed at home for example and I may move to another location if needed but still as a bunker I am traited to be guarding a point from being captured by the enemy team thus I will stay on a captured point and thus I will not gain very much personal score, still I am doing a darn good job holding a point from the enemies if they try to take it but I can keep them from doing that but still I gain no score.

My other teammates can make mistakes and we will loose points so we can iether loose, win or we can have a very close match. Defending capture points is one of the most important positions in this game and it usually gives you the least points.

If you go into every match and do the same strategy without adapting, you won’t win as many games imo.

Defending capture points, gives you capture defend points. Its one of those top player stats at the end of matches. Also, unless you never lose the base ever, you get the neutralizer points. Also part of a bunkers job, is to res and stomp. Plus just cause you are a bunker doesn’t mean you should never attack something, you touch something that dies you get the kill assist points. Granted you might not be top score, but gimme a break…. if you got no points in the match, its because you suck period.

Plus with these new hot metas, who isn’t a bunker? lmao….

Browrain.7346

^ this is why ANet needs to fix this issue. People like this just have no idea how pvp in Gw2 works and it’s sad :/

If you think the conquest game mode was invented in gw2, you are whats sad, nerd.

Let’s say in situations I get every now and then, I end up fighting 2 Bunkers and 1 DPS, I fight them at the cap point I am defending and also my team “owns”. If I leave they will capture that point but if I stay and fight them I will keep the cap point for my team and they will have 3 people trying to cap that point with no luck while my team caps the rest of the map. Still I will not be able to DPS through their heals so can not down them and there are no team mate that I can revive so how in the world will I be able to get points? To get points from a capture point I need to neatralize it and/or capture it.

And talking about not reading, I started with saying that I need to adapt, look at the bold part in your quoting me. What I mean is that I am traited to defend and that I shall do, leaving an unguarded cap at current meta can mean the loss of the match thats why I need to stay but with good communications and good eye on the mini-map I know exaclty when I need to move or not.

Also I never said or atleast I didn’t intend to say that zero points what I have in a match, I am usually top scorer even though I am defending but what we where talking about was that score is a measure of a good player as it isn’t. It has nothing to do about how good you are.

dank.3680:

And if you stubbornly sit on home point and the enemy team ignores you while 5v4’ing your team on the map?

Well as I said above, if you have good communications and know what is going on on the map you will not do that and if you doing that you are doing things wrong.

PvP experience is inversely proportional to the importance of personal score.

CooloutAC.3451:

IsilZha.3608:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Stalemating a point in your favor for 10 min without anybody going down will yield you no point at all save the initial take, yet you made sure your team got the income points all that time.

Just to illustrate using your own example, let’s say it was on Kyhlo. The first player holds a capture point for 10 minutes, but never gets a kill (thieves keep trying to back cap and just retreat, for sake of argument.) The second player operated the trebuchet for a bit, and then roamed around making kills, ignoring the capture points.

Player 1
Capping point: 10 points
Holding for 10 minutes, all opponents flee: 0 Points

Total Personal score: 10

Team score towards victory:
1 point every 2 seconds that capture point is held for 10 minutes = 300 points towards victory.

Player 2
Getting 10 kills off-point to grant “skirmisher” bonus: 150
20 Trebuchet hits: 60

Total personal score: 210 (21x the guy holding a point)

10 kills x 5 points per kill = 50 points towards victory.
Trebuchet scoring does not contribute to victory.

In this example, the person with 21x the personal score only contributed 1/6th as much towards actual victory as the guy that held a point all match.

Trebuchet hits? thats your example?

yes a kill is only 5 points very good. 10 kills off points? thats quite alot. Also you mean to tell me noone ever contested player 1 bunking the home base? he just stood there and never had to fight anyone the whole match? unlikely. more likely is he would also get a couple kills, had to recap once or twice….. And i’m not sure how the point system actually works, but i do know there is lots of top player stats for all diff things at the end of matches….. including boons applied, removed, conditions, defend points, etc…

The point you seem to make extraordinary efforts to avoid is:

It is not up to you to interpret a raw score if you have no context to use it with. A low score can mean a periodically afk player or a guy who did a wonderful job. Which one it is can’t be figured out with the score alone. You can judge a player’s performance but not by using the scoreboard alone. So if it is the only information you have you might want to exercise caution before opening your mouth.

MithranArkanere.8957:

CooloutAC.3451:

MithranArkanere.8957:

Score doesn’t matter because it doesn’t consider defense, support and assists.

With only a fraction of the factors that determine victory showing in personal score, the number shown there is mostly inconsequential.

Thats like saying goal scores in basketball don’t matter, because it doesn’t consider things like blocks, steals and assists…. Do you see how jealous nerd that sounds?

No. That is not a valid analogy. In a basketball match, the Goal scores would correspond to the Team score in GW2’s matches.

Basketball has no personal scores, unless you count season statistics like those you read in sports trading cards. In which case, they do count things like blocks, steals and assists, which personal score in GW2 doesn’t do.

basketball has no personal scores? sigh….lol

I think you mean to say that the teams sum of personal scores = the team score? you would be correct in saying that is diff from gw2. But my point was that in any team game, whether basketball or gw2, the best personal score in the match doesn’t guarantee a win, nor does it mean most valuable player, nor should it be the sole goal of a player who wants to win in a team game. This is not something special to gw2, its called sports.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

CooloutAC.3451:

IsilZha.3608:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Stalemating a point in your favor for 10 min without anybody going down will yield you no point at all save the initial take, yet you made sure your team got the income points all that time.

Just to illustrate using your own example, let’s say it was on Kyhlo. The first player holds a capture point for 10 minutes, but never gets a kill (thieves keep trying to back cap and just retreat, for sake of argument.) The second player operated the trebuchet for a bit, and then roamed around making kills, ignoring the capture points.

Player 1
Capping point: 10 points
Holding for 10 minutes, all opponents flee: 0 Points

Total Personal score: 10

Team score towards victory:
1 point every 2 seconds that capture point is held for 10 minutes = 300 points towards victory.

Player 2
Getting 10 kills off-point to grant “skirmisher” bonus: 150
20 Trebuchet hits: 60

Total personal score: 210 (21x the guy holding a point)

10 kills x 5 points per kill = 50 points towards victory.
Trebuchet scoring does not contribute to victory.

In this example, the person with 21x the personal score only contributed 1/6th as much towards actual victory as the guy that held a point all match.

Trebuchet hits? thats your example?

yes a kill is only 5 points very good. 10 kills off points? thats quite alot. Also you mean to tell me noone ever contested player 1 bunking the home base? he just stood there and never had to fight anyone the whole match? unlikely. more likely is he would also get a couple kills, had to recap once or twice….. And i’m not sure how the point system actually works, but i do know there is lots of top player stats for all diff things at the end of matches….. including boons applied, removed, conditions, defend points, etc…

The point you seem to make extraordinary efforts to avoid is:

It is not up to you to interpret a raw score if you have no context to use it with. A low score can mean a periodically afk player or a guy who did a wonderful job. Which one it is can’t be figured out with the score alone. You can judge a player’s performance but not by using the scoreboard alone. So if it is the only information you have you might want to exercise caution before opening your mouth.

more often then not, its a guy who sucked, 9 times out of 10. The guy who gets the lowest score on the team, and I don’t just mean lower, i mean significantly lower like he was in a diff league, because he successfully scared everyone away from him on a base and never had to fight or assist anybody, is very rare. I’m not saying its not possible or that a high scorer is the most valuable player always. Just most of the time

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

CooloutAC.3451:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

SCORE DOES MATTER

If the rest of the team has 100+ and you have 30, and it was a close game.

Definitely you are dead weight

Well typing everything with uppercase letters help almost as much as score does to a game.

So you are calling me dead weight when I defend home point from being captured through a whole match? Now usually I do get scores sometimes, I do this as there are players trying to take home point and I kill them but most of the time I get to fight Eles or other tanky builds and the fight can go on for almost the whole match if I don’t get help. But I know for sure that as long as I keep the cap point in my teams colour I am contributing to the team with or without any personal score. On the other hand for a tanky build trying to take the cap from an enemy player and who never succeeds to cap the point, well that player is a dead weight.

Please read first.

It would NOT be a close match if you bunked or defended the whole game.

I did read and I did understand it quite well mind you. If I defend or not won’t result in uneven matches, it is all depend on what strategys both teams are using. As a defender I evaluate if I am needed at home for example and I may move to another location if needed but still as a bunker I am traited to be guarding a point from being captured by the enemy team thus I will stay on a captured point and thus I will not gain very much personal score, still I am doing a darn good job holding a point from the enemies if they try to take it but I can keep them from doing that but still I gain no score.

My other teammates can make mistakes and we will loose points so we can iether loose, win or we can have a very close match. Defending capture points is one of the most important positions in this game and it usually gives you the least points.

If you go into every match and do the same strategy without adapting, you won’t win as many games imo.

Defending capture points, gives you capture defend points. Its one of those top player stats at the end of matches. Also, unless you never lose the base ever, you get the neutralizer points. Also part of a bunkers job, is to res and stomp. Plus just cause you are a bunker doesn’t mean you should never attack something, you touch something that dies you get the kill assist points. Granted you might not be top score, but gimme a break…. if you got no points in the match, its because you suck period.

Plus with these new hot metas, who isn’t a bunker? lmao….

Browrain.7346

^ this is why ANet needs to fix this issue. People like this just have no idea how pvp in Gw2 works and it’s sad :/

If you think the conquest game mode was invented in gw2, you are whats sad, nerd.

Let’s say in situations I get every now and then, I end up fighting 2 Bunkers and 1 DPS, I fight them at the cap point I am defending and also my team “owns”. If I leave they will capture that point but if I stay and fight them I will keep the cap point for my team and they will have 3 people trying to cap that point with no luck while my team caps the rest of the map. Still I will not be able to DPS through their heals so can not down them and there are no team mate that I can revive so how in the world will I be able to get points? To get points from a capture point I need to neatralize it and/or capture it.

And talking about not reading, I started with saying that I need to adapt, look at the bold part in your quoting me. What I mean is that I am traited to defend and that I shall do, leaving an unguarded cap at current meta can mean the loss of the match thats why I need to stay but with good communications and good eye on the mini-map I know exaclty when I need to move or not.

Also I never said or atleast I didn’t intend to say that zero points what I have in a match, I am usually top scorer even though I am defending but what we where talking about was that score is a measure of a good player as it isn’t. It has nothing to do about how good you are.

dank.3680:

And if you stubbornly sit on home point and the enemy team ignores you while 5v4’ing your team on the map?

Well as I said above, if you have good communications and know what is going on on the map you will not do that and if you doing that you are doing things wrong.

ok so you are saying youa re the most valuable player because all you did all match was fail to capture a 3rd base, but were a successful distraction? Sure this helps the team sometimes, and I do it myself. I might run far and try to distract 2 or 3 enemy players while my team caps the rest of map, but if thats all you ever do, or if you do this the majority of the time, I’d say you are covering up the fact you are not that good and thats really all you can do.

But like you said yourself, even though you always bunk a base, you are usually top scorer, and that is my point. I’m not saying that is the case everytime, I’m just saying good players consistently score higher then bad players… Regardless if they play mostly defense or offense. And again, for the 10th time, i’m not saying top scorer automatically means mvp. This goes for any team sport. Look at Andre Igoudala on the golden state warriors last season when he got mvp for the championship…

To the OP, here is why score is a bad method to gauge a player’s contribution:

Match starts and a good player pushes far. He reaches far in time to keep the point neutral. Two enemy players fallback to attempt to +1 and kill him. The bunker continues to hold the far point neutral in a 1v2. He can’t kill the enemies but the enemies can’t kill him either.

This bunker is leaving his team to a 4v3 at home and mid " in their favor" it should be easy for his team to hold down a 2 node cap on home mid, without allowing any back caps. However, his team is full of bads! They continuously zerg from home to mid and mid to home. No one stays or watches to stop the backcaps. NO! they are more interested in going point to point to make SURE they get those hits on enemy players for more personal score. It’s also a side bonus that since they are allowing backcaps, they will get even MORE points for recapping the backcaps.

At the end of the match, the bads will receive 200+ personel score for their under-handed play in an advantage 4v3 but the amazingly skilled bunker who pulled the match for them, will receive 0 points.

This is an extreme example but it is a truth that points out that not only does personal score not matter but a high personal score can actually reflect bad play.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

To the OP, here is why score is a bad method to gauge a player’s contribution:

Match starts and a good player pushes far. He reaches far in time to keep the point neutral. Two enemy players fallback to attempt to +1 and kill him. The bunker continues to hold the far point neutral in a 1v2. He can’t kill the enemies but the enemies can’t kill him either.

This bunker is leaving his team to a 4v3 at home and mid " in their favor" it should be easy for his team to hold down a 2 node cap on home mid, without allowing any back caps. However, his team is full of bads! They continuously zerg from home to mid and mid to home. No one stays or watches to stop the backcaps. NO! they are more interested in going point to point to make SURE they get those hits on enemy players for more personal score. It’s also a side bonus that since they are allowing backcaps, they will get even MORE points for recapping the backcaps.

At the end of the match, the bads will receive 200+ personel score for their under-handed play in an advantage 4v3 but the amazingly skilled bunker who pulled the match for them, will receive 0 points.

This is an extreme example but it is a truth that points out that not only does personal score not matter but a high personal score can actually reflect bad play.

again with the 0 points, wtf are you talking about 0 points, what match have you ever seen wher eyou consider a bunker winning the match for his team and getting “0” points hahaha. Its not only an extreme example, its something you’ve never seen happen…. Chances are that bunker will end up being top scorer, or have a high score, because the base most likely won’t stay neutral for the whole entire match and he will be decapping or capping it constantly, and eventually those two enemies you say hes holding off all game will die occasionally when his teammates come to help. or they will kill him when their teamates show up, and he will be coming back for a quick decap. gimme a break…. If he has 0 points I guarantee his team lost and he is a garbage player I would never want to play with.

This so feels like a case of carebears wanting to think they are better players then they really are. People lose, peoples suck, thats life. And thats no reason to hide stats or pretend they don’t matter. Most people into sports will still love to play, and most people will still consider winning the match most important.

CooloutAC.3451:

This so feels like a case of carebears wanting to think they are better players then they really are. People lose, peoples suck, thats life. And thats no reason to hide stats or pretend they don’t matter. Most people into sports will still love to play, and most people will still consider winning the match most important.

Wtf are you even saying?

Stop trolling or get better at it.

Not sure what’s more sad.. the poor personal score system Anet has in placed or the people who actually believes it’s a strong indication of “skill”.

This thread proves that people depend on these certain meaningless numbers on the screen… Anet, please revamp it further! Statistics only!

CooloutAC.3451:

more often then not, its a guy who sucked, 9 times out of 10. The guy who gets the lowest score on the team, and I don’t just mean lower, i mean significantly lower like he was in a diff league, because he successfully scared everyone away from him on a base and never had to fight or assist anybody, is very rare. I’m not saying its not possible or that a high scorer is the most valuable player always. Just most of the time

Prove it.

CooloutAC.3451:

more often then not, its a guy who sucked, 9 times out of 10. The guy who gets the lowest score on the team, and I don’t just mean lower, i mean significantly lower like he was in a diff league, because he successfully scared everyone away from him on a base and never had to fight or assist anybody, is very rare. I’m not saying its not possible or that a high scorer is the most valuable player always. Just most of the time

There’s only 1 rare scenario where that happens.

• The bunker class literally sits home all game.
• His team starts winning teamfights elsewhere.. in spite the potential outnumbered 4v5 in mid and far.

Most probable reason is they win the initial mid/far fight due to the other team going for Svanir (outnumbered mid) or going Far (1v1ing or 2v1ing a bunk class), etc. I.E – terrible beginning openings the opposite team has, resulting in losing nodes and snowballing the game due to not recovering from being out-rotated from the initial push.

.. it’s possible but don’t you dare think it happens “more often than not”. Quite literally the opposite because if he’s sitting home All Game.. then you’re More Likely going to get a 4v5 at mid… resulting in Your team losing fights all over the map except Home.

lol wut lol

CooloutAC.3451:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

CooloutAC.3451:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

SCORE DOES MATTER

If the rest of the team has 100+ and you have 30, and it was a close game.

Definitely you are dead weight

Well typing everything with uppercase letters help almost as much as score does to a game.

So you are calling me dead weight when I defend home point from being captured through a whole match? Now usually I do get scores sometimes, I do this as there are players trying to take home point and I kill them but most of the time I get to fight Eles or other tanky builds and the fight can go on for almost the whole match if I don’t get help. But I know for sure that as long as I keep the cap point in my teams colour I am contributing to the team with or without any personal score. On the other hand for a tanky build trying to take the cap from an enemy player and who never succeeds to cap the point, well that player is a dead weight.

Please read first.

It would NOT be a close match if you bunked or defended the whole game.

I did read and I did understand it quite well mind you. If I defend or not won’t result in uneven matches, it is all depend on what strategys both teams are using. As a defender I evaluate if I am needed at home for example and I may move to another location if needed but still as a bunker I am traited to be guarding a point from being captured by the enemy team thus I will stay on a captured point and thus I will not gain very much personal score, still I am doing a darn good job holding a point from the enemies if they try to take it but I can keep them from doing that but still I gain no score.

My other teammates can make mistakes and we will loose points so we can iether loose, win or we can have a very close match. Defending capture points is one of the most important positions in this game and it usually gives you the least points.

If you go into every match and do the same strategy without adapting, you won’t win as many games imo.

Defending capture points, gives you capture defend points. Its one of those top player stats at the end of matches. Also, unless you never lose the base ever, you get the neutralizer points. Also part of a bunkers job, is to res and stomp. Plus just cause you are a bunker doesn’t mean you should never attack something, you touch something that dies you get the kill assist points. Granted you might not be top score, but gimme a break…. if you got no points in the match, its because you suck period.

Plus with these new hot metas, who isn’t a bunker? lmao….

Browrain.7346

^ this is why ANet needs to fix this issue. People like this just have no idea how pvp in Gw2 works and it’s sad :/

If you think the conquest game mode was invented in gw2, you are whats sad, nerd.

Let’s say in situations I get every now and then, I end up fighting 2 Bunkers and 1 DPS, I fight them at the cap point I am defending and also my team “owns”. If I leave they will capture that point but if I stay and fight them I will keep the cap point for my team and they will have 3 people trying to cap that point with no luck while my team caps the rest of the map. Still I will not be able to DPS through their heals so can not down them and there are no team mate that I can revive so how in the world will I be able to get points? To get points from a capture point I need to neatralize it and/or capture it.

And talking about not reading, I started with saying that I need to adapt, look at the bold part in your quoting me. What I mean is that I am traited to defend and that I shall do, leaving an unguarded cap at current meta can mean the loss of the match thats why I need to stay but with good communications and good eye on the mini-map I know exaclty when I need to move or not.

Also I never said or atleast I didn’t intend to say that zero points what I have in a match, I am usually top scorer even though I am defending but what we where talking about was that score is a measure of a good player as it isn’t. It has nothing to do about how good you are.

dank.3680:

And if you stubbornly sit on home point and the enemy team ignores you while 5v4’ing your team on the map?

Well as I said above, if you have good communications and know what is going on on the map you will not do that and if you doing that you are doing things wrong.

ok so you are saying youa re the most valuable player because all you did all match was fail to capture a 3rd base, but were a successful distraction? Sure this helps the team sometimes, and I do it myself. I might run far and try to distract 2 or 3 enemy players while my team caps the rest of map, but if thats all you ever do, or if you do this the majority of the time, I’d say you are covering up the fact you are not that good and thats really all you can do.

But like you said yourself, even though you always bunk a base, you are usually top scorer, and that is my point. I’m not saying that is the case everytime, I’m just saying good players consistently score higher then bad players… Regardless if they play mostly defense or offense. And again, for the 10th time, i’m not saying top scorer automatically means mvp. This goes for any team sport. Look at Andre Igoudala on the golden state warriors last season when he got mvp for the championship…

Oh man… I didn’t even read the full responce now becouse you actually don’t read what I write iether.

I said if I where to stay at a cap as I have it to guard it from others to take it, then 3 people comes and try to take it. Should I leave to let them capture it or should I stay and defend it as a defender I am and thus keeping them from capturing the cap point I am on, I never said anything about failing to cap I said I owned the cap and if I left I would loose the cap.

May edit post as I am going to finish reading this post now.

Edit: Also I want to say that it may have sounded like I was the most valuble person in the team but that I do not mean becouse a bunker isn’t good themselfes for example if they don’t have a cap that means they have to cap it and that is almost impossible for a lonely bunker, thats why someone with high DPS is good with a bunker. The whole team build is important and not just the bunker, what I am saying is that a bunker is the one who will score the least personal score if everyone is doing their jobs the right way and have a good rotation.

Why I am usually top scorer is becouse I usually play SoloQ and it is hard to have good communications with PUGs and thus I end up in more fights where I need to rez and stomp more and some players do not support me when I get to much attention and that leads to me loosing cap and I need to neutralize and recap and that gives me score. But when I play my guild team I rarely loose cap and I get help only when I need it wich means less kills, less rezes and less captures wich is less score.

Still personal score means almost nothing when it comes to how good a player is, it is like using AP as a measurement on how good you are at running dungeons. It gives you a hint but it does not have to be a fact.

A lot of bad players focus mostly on personal scores. They will stick to grossly outnumbered fights like 4vs2s, while others in their team are forced to carry by keeping points alone vs 2 or more.

This isnt a rarity either … it happens every single game without exception at lower MMR.

Since Ruby and up its getting a lot better to be honest. But at the start of the season when we where mixed with lower tier players zerging was the way to play for them. Going back with 4 to kill that single guy that capped close etc.

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Browrain.7346:

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rennlc.7346:

They say it doesn’t matter because they think it doesn’t it matter. Whatever stance you take on score, whether it’s closer to one extreme (“Best score = best player always!”) or the other (“Score means absolutely nothing ever!”), there are going to be plenty of exceptions to that rule. In my opinion, it’s more beneficial to look at GW2’s relationship between score and skill (and lack thereof) as an opportunity to learn more about the use and misuse of statistics than to attempt to determine a concrete answer on how important or unimportant score currently is in this game.

In my opinion its no different then any team sport. GW2 is no exception. nerds just can’t understand that.

Let me make this easier for you. Look at shutdown corners in football like Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman. Many games, their stats are crap. Why? Because the opposing quarterback completely avoids throwing in their direction.

ok so I guess you agree now that gw2 isn’t any diff from any other team sport? But one difference is, in professional athletic sports, noone goes around saying personal score doesn’t mean anything because of the other factors that go into a team win. That would be silly.

Omg you obviously fail to see how scoring in this game works,more imortantly you fail to listen what ppl are trying to say .
If you are trolling ,gg if you are not i wouldnt wish to have you in my team ever.

As for basketball comparsion
imagine that every time you pass ball you get score and every time you cross 3p line you get score or if you touch a player you get points.

You can collect most points by just runing around touching ppl and crossing the line while you done 0 for the team ..

Score would matter if standing on decaped ur caped point will passively tick you points I won 1 ranked game were my team best personal score was 40

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

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StickerHappy.8052:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

SCORE DOES MATTER

If the rest of the team has 100+ and you have 30, and it was a close game.

Definitely you are dead weight

Well typing everything with uppercase letters help almost as much as score does to a game.

So you are calling me dead weight when I defend home point from being captured through a whole match? Now usually I do get scores sometimes, I do this as there are players trying to take home point and I kill them but most of the time I get to fight Eles or other tanky builds and the fight can go on for almost the whole match if I don’t get help. But I know for sure that as long as I keep the cap point in my teams colour I am contributing to the team with or without any personal score. On the other hand for a tanky build trying to take the cap from an enemy player and who never succeeds to cap the point, well that player is a dead weight.

Please read first.

It would NOT be a close match if you bunked or defended the whole game.

I did read and I did understand it quite well mind you. If I defend or not won’t result in uneven matches, it is all depend on what strategys both teams are using. As a defender I evaluate if I am needed at home for example and I may move to another location if needed but still as a bunker I am traited to be guarding a point from being captured by the enemy team thus I will stay on a captured point and thus I will not gain very much personal score, still I am doing a darn good job holding a point from the enemies if they try to take it but I can keep them from doing that but still I gain no score.

My other teammates can make mistakes and we will loose points so we can iether loose, win or we can have a very close match. Defending capture points is one of the most important positions in this game and it usually gives you the least points.

If you go into every match and do the same strategy without adapting, you won’t win as many games imo.

Defending capture points, gives you capture defend points. Its one of those top player stats at the end of matches. Also, unless you never lose the base ever, you get the neutralizer points. Also part of a bunkers job, is to res and stomp. Plus just cause you are a bunker doesn’t mean you should never attack something, you touch something that dies you get the kill assist points. Granted you might not be top score, but gimme a break…. if you got no points in the match, its because you suck period.

Plus with these new hot metas, who isn’t a bunker? lmao….

Browrain.7346

^ this is why ANet needs to fix this issue. People like this just have no idea how pvp in Gw2 works and it’s sad :/

If you think the conquest game mode was invented in gw2, you are whats sad, nerd.

Let’s say in situations I get every now and then, I end up fighting 2 Bunkers and 1 DPS, I fight them at the cap point I am defending and also my team “owns”. If I leave they will capture that point but if I stay and fight them I will keep the cap point for my team and they will have 3 people trying to cap that point with no luck while my team caps the rest of the map. Still I will not be able to DPS through their heals so can not down them and there are no team mate that I can revive so how in the world will I be able to get points? To get points from a capture point I need to neatralize it and/or capture it.

And talking about not reading, I started with saying that I need to adapt, look at the bold part in your quoting me. What I mean is that I am traited to defend and that I shall do, leaving an unguarded cap at current meta can mean the loss of the match thats why I need to stay but with good communications and good eye on the mini-map I know exaclty when I need to move or not.

Also I never said or atleast I didn’t intend to say that zero points what I have in a match, I am usually top scorer even though I am defending but what we where talking about was that score is a measure of a good player as it isn’t. It has nothing to do about how good you are.

dank.3680:

And if you stubbornly sit on home point and the enemy team ignores you while 5v4’ing your team on the map?

Well as I said above, if you have good communications and know what is going on on the map you will not do that and if you doing that you are doing things wrong.

ok so you are saying youa re the most valuable player because all you did all match was fail to capture a 3rd base, but were a successful distraction? Sure this helps the team sometimes, and I do it myself. I might run far and try to distract 2 or 3 enemy players while my team caps the rest of map, but if thats all you ever do, or if you do this the majority of the time, I’d say you are covering up the fact you are not that good and thats really all you can do.

But like you said yourself, even though you always bunk a base, you are usually top scorer, and that is my point. I’m not saying that is the case everytime, I’m just saying good players consistently score higher then bad players… Regardless if they play mostly defense or offense. And again, for the 10th time, i’m not saying top scorer automatically means mvp. This goes for any team sport. Look at Andre Igoudala on the golden state warriors last season when he got mvp for the championship…

Oh man… I didn’t even read the full responce now becouse you actually don’t read what I write iether.

I said if I where to stay at a cap as I have it to guard it from others to take it, then 3 people comes and try to take it. Should I leave to let them capture it or should I stay and defend it as a defender I am and thus keeping them from capturing the cap point I am on, I never said anything about failing to cap I said I owned the cap and if I left I would loose the cap.

May edit post as I am going to finish reading this post now.

Edit: Also I want to say that it may have sounded like I was the most valuble person in the team but that I do not mean becouse a bunker isn’t good themselfes for example if they don’t have a cap that means they have to cap it and that is almost impossible for a lonely bunker, thats why someone with high DPS is good with a bunker. The whole team build is important and not just the bunker, what I am saying is that a bunker is the one who will score the least personal score if everyone is doing their jobs the right way and have a good rotation.

Why I am usually top scorer is becouse I usually play SoloQ and it is hard to have good communications with PUGs and thus I end up in more fights where I need to rez and stomp more and some players do not support me when I get to much attention and that leads to me loosing cap and I need to neutralize and recap and that gives me score. But when I play my guild team I rarely loose cap and I get help only when I need it wich means less kills, less rezes and less captures wich is less score.

Still personal score means almost nothing when it comes to how good a player is, it is like using AP as a measurement on how good you are at running dungeons. It gives you a hint but it does not have to be a fact.

Everyone is a bunker since hot, and what I am saying is sometimes the bunker will score the top score also. I don’t agree that he will automatically score less points because he is a bunker. That is bs to me. he will still get points for many things, including capping. no base is stayign neutral forver.

deda.8302:

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Browrain.7346:

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rennlc.7346:

They say it doesn’t matter because they think it doesn’t it matter. Whatever stance you take on score, whether it’s closer to one extreme (“Best score = best player always!”) or the other (“Score means absolutely nothing ever!”), there are going to be plenty of exceptions to that rule. In my opinion, it’s more beneficial to look at GW2’s relationship between score and skill (and lack thereof) as an opportunity to learn more about the use and misuse of statistics than to attempt to determine a concrete answer on how important or unimportant score currently is in this game.

In my opinion its no different then any team sport. GW2 is no exception. nerds just can’t understand that.

Let me make this easier for you. Look at shutdown corners in football like Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman. Many games, their stats are crap. Why? Because the opposing quarterback completely avoids throwing in their direction.

ok so I guess you agree now that gw2 isn’t any diff from any other team sport? But one difference is, in professional athletic sports, noone goes around saying personal score doesn’t mean anything because of the other factors that go into a team win. That would be silly.

Omg you obviously fail to see how scoring in this game works,more imortantly you fail to listen what ppl are trying to say .
If you are trolling ,gg if you are not i wouldnt wish to have you in my team ever.

As for basketball comparsion
imagine that every time you pass ball you get score and every time you cross 3p line you get score or if you touch a player you get points.

You can collect most points by just runing around touching ppl and crossing the line while you done 0 for the team ..

yas attacking people and capping and decapping is a big part of this game, sorry you wish it wasn’t so…

and again, what a nerd fails to understand, is you saying personal score doesn’t = a win goes for any team game. Its not something special that only relates to gw2.

baylock.1703:

Score would matter if standing on decaped ur caped point will passively tick you points I won 1 ranked game were my team best personal score was 40

ya but just standing on a capped base isn’t really “skill” either. Nor does it nescessarily help your team win! I think the score is fine the way anet already did it. Its how team games are. What they should do, and what i been suggesting since gw1,though is a scoreboard to show all stats.

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baylock.1703:

Score would matter if standing on decaped ur caped point will passively tick you points I won 1 ranked game were my team best personal score was 40

ya but just standing on a capped base isn’t really “skill” either.

Then try doing it the whole game and not losing the point even once. Should be easy for you.

A match full of Hot Join Heroes on both team will usually consist of a glory point range from 200 to 300 for all players, loosing the game by 30 points.

When it happens, it’s like a constant trash dance from headless chickens.

After it’s done, people usually think:

“Phew, that game was so trash, we simply run to kill or cap but nobodies did keep the caps up!”.

The strong opposite of this, is where you get a perfect match 500 – 0. Now you know that when you cap it, you keep it up… and so, 3 team mates are bunkering points while 2 rotate to even the fights.

Glory scored matters, if you come over TS and brag about it all night, I know I don’t want to play with you again. So, the other day don’t wander why you are on block list.
(and many decent players do so, as well)

So, if you plan to progress into your spvp journey, make sure that TEAM SCORE matter more than your Puny Glory Pity Score… and don’t brag too much about it.

Dal

because it doesn’t.

deda.8302:

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Browrain.7346:

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rennlc.7346:

They say it doesn’t matter because they think it doesn’t it matter. Whatever stance you take on score, whether it’s closer to one extreme (“Best score = best player always!”) or the other (“Score means absolutely nothing ever!”), there are going to be plenty of exceptions to that rule. In my opinion, it’s more beneficial to look at GW2’s relationship between score and skill (and lack thereof) as an opportunity to learn more about the use and misuse of statistics than to attempt to determine a concrete answer on how important or unimportant score currently is in this game.

In my opinion its no different then any team sport. GW2 is no exception. nerds just can’t understand that.

Let me make this easier for you. Look at shutdown corners in football like Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman. Many games, their stats are crap. Why? Because the opposing quarterback completely avoids throwing in their direction.

ok so I guess you agree now that gw2 isn’t any diff from any other team sport? But one difference is, in professional athletic sports, noone goes around saying personal score doesn’t mean anything because of the other factors that go into a team win. That would be silly.

Omg you obviously fail to see how scoring in this game works,more imortantly you fail to listen what ppl are trying to say .
If you are trolling ,gg if you are not i wouldnt wish to have you in my team ever.

As for basketball comparsion
imagine that every time you pass ball you get score and every time you cross 3p line you get score or if you touch a player you get points.

You can collect most points by just runing around touching ppl and crossing the line while you done 0 for the team ..

I guess we know at least one person we need to block so as not to have on our team right?

So if I manage to hold a point for the majority of the game, most of the time outnumbered, ending the match with a score of like 30 points… I contributed the least to the victory?

Here’s the problem. It’s not a dichotomy. If you get a high personal score, you probably contributed a lot to the win. Each kill got you 1% of the final 500 points (or more depending on map mechanic). Each decap/cap, changed the overall PPT. Each map mechanic you participated in scored some variable number of points. Each treb shot wiped out huge numbers of HP on mid, etc.

However, you could also have a very low personal score and have contributed a lot to a win by just holding a point in conquest against 2 enemies or buff/healing the lord in stronghold, etc. The problem is that the personal score system doesn’t account for all activities that contribute to winning the match, BUT things that contribute to personal score often do contribute to winning the match.

Warlord.9074:

Unless you are sitting on a point all game as an excuse to score low score means something. This is litterally the number 1 excuse for players that say score doesn’t matter. OH I sat on a point all game thats why I have 10 points. Woopdeedoo.

My opinion its not the score system that is flawed its the point system as not only what you are doing is lame and isn’t really pvp it afking at best.

It also depends on the map. If you kill like 4 animals and are good with stealing that 100 points and that is going to make your score higher. If you also decapped and held points as well as spiked numerous players you contributed a ton.

All a high score mostly means is you capped or decapped a lot of points. That’s literally it. You rarely kill enough players for that fatten up your score significantly. And you should literally almost never kill 4 monsters on Nifhel. The monsters are to steal wins at the end or emergency catch ups. You have proved you don’t know what your talking about. Score is pretty much meaningless unless you put up a score under about 40 in a competitve match. I win all the time with modest point scores across the board on my team and it doesn’t involve sitting on points for no reason. In a well played game you shouldn’t be kittening around the map capping and decapping you should be controlling 2 points most of the time and rarely have them go more then neutral. I can see you kittening around the map right now in a little zerg in my minds eye and think you are just the best. Taking points and then moving onto the next one and then it gets capped right behind you. Or you give up points to go kill Svanir even though a point generates more points then a monster in short order. Points are meaningless buddy and for you to say they do marks you as pretty uniformed. Keeping killing Svanir at the start of Nifhel and Ill keep taking keep and making your life miserable.

Fikfain.5849:

[…]BUT things that contribute to personal score often do contribute to winning the match.

Not necessarily. Tagging an almost downed/dead player will give you points for “kills” even if it was completely needlessly. Capping a point will increase your score, even if somebody else is already capping. Decapping isn’t always contributing to the win, if you loose your own point in return. And so on …

Things that increase the personal score CAN contribute to winning or they can loose you the match. It is completely situational and the score doesn’t reflect this.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Fikfain.5849:

[…]BUT things that contribute to personal score often do contribute to winning the match.

Not necessarily.

Yes, that’s what the word “often” means. Not necessarily, but many times things that score points also help wins. Can you find situations where scoring personal points didn’t contribute to the win? Absolutely, but they’re not frequent. People don’t get top score by double-capping points the entire match. Even piling on to a guaranteed kill just for personal score isn’t always a bad thing as I’ve seen “guaranteed kills” get reversed because someone was able to rez them in some way.

You know what matters more than personal score? Top Stat achievements for the match. You can measure your performance based off of how many top stats get awarded to you, since even as a bunker or teamfighter, if you come out with +most condition damage done, +most healing done, etc. you’re doing really well individually. If you get +best objective assaulter or +best objective defender, you have either made the best split decisions in the match to cap points, or the best at defending what you already have which does in fact equal contribution.

I can’t believe what I’m reading on this Thread…

I can’t… just.. I don’t understand how you guys can possibily not understand this.

SPVP on gw2 is all about the nodes/points/colored circles on the ground.

1: Some things increase personal score.
2: Some things make you win the game.
3: Some things make you lose the game.

Killing someone to get a point AND get the point: 1, 2
Bunkering/Holding a Point: a big 2 here, especialy on this meta.
Fighting a battle outside a point while your team has point disadvantage: 3
Win a 1×1 outside a point, but your team wiped elsewhere while you do so: 1, 3
Killing a Npc while you team needs you because they are 3×4: 1,3
Going far, winning there, but your team wiped elsewhere: 1,3

Resume: To win your team needs to hold 2 or 3 points for more time than the other, with 10 score plus for every kill and some bonus score for other stuff, most noticiable the 150 for lord.

EVERYTHING that you do, that doesnt help your team to make 500 score (generaly that means only holding any 2 for most of the match, sometimes 3) is not helping your team win and therefore do not matter whatsoever.

A person who held a home point for 10 minutes and has 10 points while his team lost the game trying to 4v5 is equal to the same as a person who has 10 points and solo died 15 times trying to take back home.

Points do matter. Learn to rotate.

Fikfain.5849:

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Fikfain.5849:

[…]BUT things that contribute to personal score often do contribute to winning the match.

Not necessarily.

Yes, that’s what the word “often” means. Not necessarily, but many times things that score points also help wins. Can you find situations where scoring personal points didn’t contribute to the win? Absolutely, but they’re not frequent. People don’t get top score by double-capping points the entire match. Even piling on to a guaranteed kill just for personal score isn’t always a bad thing as I’ve seen “guaranteed kills” get reversed because someone was able to rez them in some way.

Every time I get top score is when I play aggressively. My low scores are almost always when I sacrifice my score for defense. A game that caps don’t change hand often played by a bunch of bunkers won’t yield spectacular scores.

I played match where my personal score was the highest of all players on either side where we lost the match and can tell my behavior did not help my team a lot of the time.

OTOH, I often have matches with very modest personal score where I know I did what I had too in the context of that match and that my getting killed to keep 2-3 from capping bought us some precious time that made my team score easier elsewhere (and gaining personal score that I didn’t in the process).

Your score will be influenced by the decisions of your teammates and vice-versa. Some players are just not great team players. They are more glory-huggers than caring about the team score. The simple idea of not going fo another cap even when they have 2 is unbearable to them.

Sheobix.8796:

You know what matters more than personal score? Top Stat achievements for the match. You can measure your performance based off of how many top stats get awarded to you, since even as a bunker or teamfighter, if you come out with +most condition damage done, +most healing done, etc. you’re doing really well individually. If you get +best objective assaulter or +best objective defender, you have either made the best split decisions in the match to cap points, or the best at defending what you already have which does in fact equal contribution.

So if I get the top stat for most treb repairs, I must be doing something right. Amirite?!?

Niekas.3854:

A person who held a home point for 10 minutes and has 10 points while his team lost the game trying to 4v5 is equal to the same as a person who has 10 points and solo died 15 times trying to take back home.

Points do matter. Learn to rotate.

Wrong. Learn to think rationally.

Niekas.3854:

A person who held a home point for 10 minutes and has 10 points while his team lost the game trying to 4v5 is equal to the same as a person who has 10 points and solo died 15 times trying to take back home.

Points do matter. Learn to rotate.

LOL are you serious? I sure hope you are joking.

The person bunkering home meant the home node was ticking points for the team the whole time. The person dying 15 times trying to take back home didn’t get any points for the team since home belonged to the enemy team.

smh.

Personal score only matters to a limited degree. If you are the lowest player by 100+ points, something may be off, but a difference of 20-50 points here and there is totally meaningless.

In fact, having a really high score might mean you stack-capped repeatedly (multiple people on an uncontested node).

Fikfain.5849:

Yes, that’s what the word “often” means. Not necessarily, but many times things that score points also help wins. Can you find situations where scoring personal points didn’t contribute to the win? Absolutely, but they’re not frequent. People don’t get top score by double-capping points the entire match. Even piling on to a guaranteed kill just for personal score isn’t always a bad thing as I’ve seen “guaranteed kills” get reversed because someone was able to rez them in some way.

Double capping is not that often, yes, but overcommitting to a kill or loosing caps, because people prefer decapping over defending, is very common. Maybe not so much at top-tier level, but definitely at low and mid MMR areas. Where most player, who think personal score is meaningful, are located.

Niekas.3854:

A person who held a home point for 10 minutes and has 10 points while his team lost the game trying to 4v5 is equal to the same as a person who has 10 points and solo died 15 times trying to take back home.

Points do matter. Learn to rotate.

10*60/2=300

That’s 300 team score holding 1 captured point for 10 minutes.

Niekas.3854:

A person who held a home point for 10 minutes and has 10 points while his team lost the game trying to 4v5 is equal to the same as a person who has 10 points and solo died 15 times trying to take back home.

Points do matter. Learn to rotate.

Why didn’t his team rotate?

Well this thread escalated and went way off topic.

Short end of it. Score means very little. Even a team whose points are higher than their opponents can still lose. (depending on the map). In the end it boils down to who has the best strategy, rotation and as of late team build.