Guild Wars 2

Everyone here usually poos on people who mentioned they played comp wow (#1 in their battle groups etc.)

Why the elitist attitude? Even in their worst state, they have more players, and competition than ours at our best state…if we ever had one.

Plz stop the hate. It is like you are arrogant saying that this game’s pvp is better than WoW or something.

While it has the potential to be better, it is FAR, FAR from being that way anytime soon sadly.

Guys need to stop hating on games with clearly better PVP and a larger player base just because you think this game is better.

WoW is a widly successful game, and you guys need to stop acting like GW2 is the second coming of Jesus, because judgement day came and went, and none of us went to heaven.

Personal opinion… I think GW2 has the potential to be awesome, it is just so far from it right now.

Stop the h8 yo

Why should anyone want to discuss about WoW, when there is a lot to discuss about GW2.
Try once to mention GW2 in the WoW Forum, and you will see what you’ll get.
It is never smart to do, not in the one way nor in the other.
I for myself, like both games, and the most I like the difference between this two games.

Because if we play GW2 that means its pvp at least for gameplay reasons is better than wow FOR US.

""Why the elitist attitude? Even in their worst state, they have more players, and competition than ours at our best state…if we ever had one.""

The game has had 8 or 9 years to BUILD that playerbase. This game is barely over 1 year old. Comparing player bases at this point is futile.
But if you still want to do it; Maximum CONFIRMED WoW population was around 10 million users world wide, according to Wikipedia. GW2, in their FIRST YEAR, sold over 3 million copies. How many still plays is unknown to me, but even if we estimate a “mere” 2 million players left, across the globe. That is STILL a strong contender.
Also, as far as i remember, WoW was more of a open world PVP, aslong as you were belonging to the opposite side (horde/alliance). Correct me if they changed this, i only bothered to touch the 2 month trial that i got with the original version.

GW2 is from what ive seen of WoW, a whole lot more immersive.

Ha !
In WoW i used to smash arrogant elitism ppl at the battlgrounds , with my elf resto druid : Vergin – Deathwing Eu , that was filled with expertise (reduce the enemy chance to dodge-parry) , rather than healing power and a sexy red winter – non stat chest .

Different games have different skill requiments
If we are so skilled , then we can easily dominate this game and show up in the next sotg :P

Halo Bond.7302:

Why should anyone want to discuss about WoW, when there is a lot to discuss about GW2.
Try once to mention GW2 in the WoW Forum, and you will see what you’ll get.
It is never smart to do, not in the one way nor in the other.
I for myself, like both games, and the most I like the difference between this two games.

The way you talk about that community, is the same way “our community” talks to developers in. We are snotty, whine 24/7 and have nothing nice to say.

You really act like we are much different? This forum needs to get off its high horse.

I am purely talking in pvp, so your attempt to differentiate the numbers is “futile.”
2 million? 17,000 actually spvp, and that is getting less every day.

Our pvp numbers are pitiful, I am talking mass exodus from PVP…that will simply never return.

Anet bit off more than they could chew, they won’t admit it, but everyone knows it is true.

TLDR

I just hate when people here poo on other games, that are CLEARLY more populated, competitive, and popular than this game. All the good people are leaving this game every day, doesn’t that tell you something?

GW2 is a sinking ship, that totally could have been saved.

I like one thing about WOW, they don’t hide their game is about pve, everyone knows that pvp in this game is just a little side of the game to spice things up.
In gw2, they tell you that spvp is an important thing of gw2, but facts tell us that it isn’t, and like wow pve is what matters. Atleast wow is honest with that.

@Divinity, if I wanted to talk about WoW, I would go to the WoW Forum.

And in the other way around, I would never talk about GW2 in the WoW Forum.

We have nothing nice to say?

We bought their game. That means WE CARE.

I don’t know, how was WoW one year after it was created?

I remember people saying it was even less balanced than GW2 is now. And didn’t even have structured pvp, if I remember well.

When you bite off more than you can chew, you need to take team to eat it calmly.

Is this real? GW2 does have better PvP. World of Warcraft has had 10 years to get established and polish its PvP and Blizzard still can’t get it right. Of course its going to have higher player base because of its name, and its name alone. “World of Warcraft”.

I understand what you are saying though, no reason to hate on other games, we are all gamers here, but the facts are facts, Warcraft was so big that’s why WoW has so many players, and those that just keep playing and playing.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Is this real? GW2 does have better PvP. World of Warcraft has had 10 years to get established and polish its PvP and Blizzard still can’t get it right. Of course its going to have higher player base because of its name, and its name alone. “World of Warcraft”.

I understand what you are saying though, no reason to hate on other games, we are all gamers here, but the facts are facts, Warcraft was so big that’s why WoW has so many players, and those that just keep playing and playing.

The problem is that WoW structure is outdated, more than old. That is why they can’t change its structure more than much. But yeah, I guess it is still a good structure, even if I have grown to hate it.XD

Because even in its current state, GW2’s pvp is far more balanced and skill based than WoW’s Arena ever was. Having more players doesn’t matter in this regard. You have to be legit and WoW never was. GW1 had less players than WoW or GW2, but was far more legit and being good at it… actually mattered.

There’s more people playing mini-golf than there are players at pebble beach, but that doesn’t make your family outing to Scandia on the same level of Tiger Woods.

Divinity.8041

GW2 is a sinking ship, that totally could have been saved.

First Mate: Captain, there’s a polar bear riding an iceberg ahead! This ship has 3.5 million people aboard!

Captain: Full speed ahead and ram it! That bear has gone mad! Only a monster would command an iceberg into a ship full of people!

WoW had a massive PvP population boom and competitive format with cash prizes when Arena (deathmatch) was added. Before that they had some fun other pvp game modes (other then AV) that did ok had a minor competitive side but nothing on the level deathmatch arena took the game too.

GW2 pvp is not even close to as balanced and skill based as WoW arena…..

Now GW2 GvGs and deathmatch fights 2v2 3v3 behind the windmill that reminds me of high level WoW arena. Anet should take note of the growing community but their egos wont let them give up on conquest esport…. Anet is so mad over the GvG communities growth worried its pulling from PvP they are going to kill GvGs with Orbs.

Divinity.8041

GW2 is a sinking ship, that totally could have been saved.

I bet you said the same thing when you went on that U-boat…XD

I played competitive wow and it’s a total durp by comparison. Focus cyclone, heal, focus cyclone, heal pretty much sums up the gameplay of every comp, including those without druids. Chain CCs, interrupt CCs, ggwp. Plus it’s just so slooooowww. 1.5 second GCD is kind of 2004.

Also, kitten having to set up stopcast macros for everything and kitten having to nolife or bot to get competitive accessories every season. Skill plays right there.

Of course it had a higher pvp population, the pvp was so simplistic a 3 year old could work it out. Arenas were a perfect example. What’s the objective? Kill the enemy. Ooo strategery. Put the same players in AB and they had no kittening idea where to go or what to do.

WoW arena at high glad levels needed perfection of combos and team work…. GW2 conquest mode you see none of that because its just not a play mode getting players involved.

GvG you are starting to see the game evolve into really great team work combos peels as the main goal is to kill not a side goal. Thats what drives the skill cap higher the motivation and the tools (more gear and build choices) of a community to care about a game mode.

Knock WoW is you like but it started as a PvE game that became the most competitive format MMO on the arena side of any MMO ever!. GW2 has a chance but some egos from Anet are holding it back thats my only way to explain what is happening the refusing to look at the numbers and they just keep pounding their heads into the wall that is conquest mode with boring stat and build choices.

If by perfection of combos and team work you mean ‘durp I got him 3x, you get him next or DR lolol l2 stopcastfocusinterrupt my cc harder noobs’, then yeah.

Mammoth.1975:

If by perfection of combos and team work you mean ‘durp I got him 3x, you get him next or DR lolol l2 stopcastfocusinterrupt my cc harder noobs’, then yeah.

I hated everything about macros, but just curious, what was your name on WoW? I find that a lot of people that only hit glad or something think they were amazing at the game when really… they weren’t.

Man if you dont like the game , go buy a monkey and play with him world of warcraft

Divinity.8041:

Guys need to stop hating on games with clearly better PVP and a larger player base just because you think this game is better.

Better than trash doesn’t mean anything.
WoW is bad PvP regardless of how GW2 is doing.

Follidus.8027:

Mammoth.1975:

If by perfection of combos and team work you mean ‘durp I got him 3x, you get him next or DR lolol l2 stopcastfocusinterrupt my cc harder noobs’, then yeah.

I hated everything about macros, but just curious, what was your name on WoW? I find that a lot of people that only hit glad or something think they were amazing at the game when really… they weren’t.

Same name, and I was about as terrible there as here :P

The main theme here is that stop hating on every other pvp mmo right now, because they are all better than this one.

Until ANET actually fixes our PVP, we are dead.

This forum seems to be on a high horse when down talking other games. Fix your own stuff before you go talking about other people.

Sigh. Something being popular doesn’t make it better. Mcdonalds is not better than a 5 star restaurant. Wow is literally the Mcdonalds of MMOs. I played it for years, and I enjoyed it, but I’m not blind to its faults, and they are many.

Besides, just like every forum, people whine about the game they’re playing more than any other game. I’m not sure why you would start a thread defending wow out of nowhere.

Cuz:

Gear treadmill and Pally OP.

because wow is the most successful mmo ever? what else should i compare it to besides garbage right now?

get off your high horse mammoth and accept this pvp game is in a terrible spot right now.

Everyone on this forum is so quick to put their noses in the air towards ANY game besides this, then whine about how much (GW2) sucks.

Stop please?

It is like the expression, fix your own house before you start talking about others.

Why would anyone care about this?
Why would you bother making a topic like this, what’s the point of it, what did you want to achieve?

Actually I haven’t seen WoW mentioned on this forum… uh for a long while, and no one really bothered or care to compare the two games until YOU brought it up, OP.

Why do you care what people think about WoW and GW2 anyway?

Divinity.8041:

because wow is the most successful mmo ever? what else should i compare it to besides garbage right now?

get off your high horse mammoth and accept this pvp game is in a terrible spot right now.

Everyone on this forum is so quick to put their noses in the air towards ANY game besides this, then whine about how much (GW2) sucks.

Stop please?

It is like the expression, fix your own house before you start talking about others.

Ragnarok Online (pre Renewal) had better PvP than both /gg

I just hate elitists who post here acting like this pvp is actually good, and then point their noses in the air at ANY OTHER GAME. WoW is just an easy comparison.

Stop acting like we have good pvp, then pooing on someone else.

This games pvp is in my top 3 for mmos and I’ve played a lot of games. WoW would be a long way back. Oh, and my number one pvp mmo had about 200-250 concurrent players at peak, it’s one of the games WoW devs said they drew influence from. They didn’t seem to adapt much of it though. Once again, popularity doesn’t make a game good.

Stop posting its a troll. No adult thinks wow is playable now.

Just because there are more players, does not necessarily mean it’s harder. There are far more bad players then good ones. In WoW, over 80% of the PvP crowd couldn’t even get passed 1600. Once you got to 2000, you were in the top 2%!

It was a complete joke to get passed 2000, mainly because there were so many bad players who were still clicking and running train wreck addon interfaces and spamming cooldowns.

You can have 10 million players, but if 9.5 Million of them are a lost cause, doesn’t necessarily mean it took skill to reach 2400+in woW

Shut up, we all know best pvp EVAH is Neverwinter Nights. (not 2, obv!)

D&D 3.0 FTW!XD

redslion.9675:

We have nothing nice to say?

We bought their game. That means WE CARE.

I don’t know, how was WoW one year after it was created?

I remember people saying it was even less balanced than GW2 is now. And didn’t even have structured pvp, if I remember well.

When you bite off more than you can chew, you need to take team to eat it calmly.

One word. Awesome.
Played wow since second day of release untill MoP and in its first few years while it had fairly big balance issues…it was amazingly fun to play. If you were good you could beat 2/3 bad players even if your gear wasn’t amazing (for most classes anyway). While some classes seemed weak when teamed up with others synergy made them awesome too. Wow did have balance issues back then but it was still great fun to play.

Let be clear MMO’s were in their infancy when Wow was new, most people didn’t know how to play. Just 3 or 4 keybinds put you way ahead of the game. People didn’t really know how to play…there was no guides, no pro’s and the pioneer’s of great pvp became legends. You can’t recreate that.

Divinity.8041:

Everyone here usually poos on people who mentioned they played comp wow (#1 in their battle groups etc.)

Why the elitist attitude? Even in their worst state, they have more players, and competition than ours at our best state…if we ever had one.

Plz stop the hate. It is like you are arrogant saying that this game’s pvp is better than WoW or something.

While it has the potential to be better, it is FAR, FAR from being that way anytime soon sadly.

Guys need to stop hating on games with clearly better PVP and a larger player base just because you think this game is better.

WoW is a widly successful game, and you guys need to stop acting like GW2 is the second coming of Jesus, because judgement day came and went, and none of us went to heaven.

Personal opinion… I think GW2 has the potential to be awesome, it is just so far from it right now.

Stop the h8 yo

I never saw any guildwars player hate on Wow, u make it sound like its all we do on these forums which is a big fat lie. Imo u just seem like a troll who want to provoke rage from the guildwars playerbase…

Go away bad troll i called ur bluff !

Conan.8046:

Let be clear MMO’s were in their infancy when Wow was new, most people didn’t know how to play. Just 3 or 4 keybinds put you way ahead of the game. People didn’t really know how to play…there was no guides, no pro’s and the pioneer’s of great pvp became legends. You can’t recreate that.

MMOs had been around for over 20 years before WoW, and if you want to exclude MUDs for some arbitrary reason, more than 10 years with graphics. You may have been new to them at that time, but they weren’t new.

MMOs had been around for over 20 years before WoW, and if you want to exclude MUDs for some arbitrary reason, more than 10 years with graphics. You may have been new to them at that time, but they weren’t new.

Strickly speaking Wow is an MMORPG which is different. However MMO’s in the 1980’s were just text games. Ultima was the first serious MMORPG and it was made in 1997. Wow was 2004. However if you looked at the numbers pre Wow, MMORPG was a very niche market.

Conan.8046:

MMOs had been around for over 20 years before WoW, and if you want to exclude MUDs for some arbitrary reason, more than 10 years with graphics. You may have been new to them at that time, but they weren’t new.

Strickly speaking Wow is an MMORPG which is different. However MMO’s in the 1980’s were just text games. Ultima was the first serious MMORPG and it was made in 1997. Wow was 2004. However if you looked at the numbers pre Wow, MMORPG was a very niche market.

MUDs are MMORPGS too, but since you’ve decided on the arbitrary reason you’re going to use, the first graphical MMO of any category was 1986. If you want the first graphical MMORPG, it was not UO, but Neverwinter Nights, 1991.

Once again, market size doesn’t determine game quality. In fact, WoW was explicitly designed to be a more casual friendly version of Everquest, where everyone could get boss kills and there was less of a grind to level. This is because they recognised that the majority of players are casual. That doesn’t make it a better game than Everquest (although I think it is, by a long, long way), it just makes it more casual friendly, and therefore more popular. Farmville is twice as popular as LoL, which is the better game? Which is friendlier to casual players?

Divinity.8041:

Everyone here usually poos on people who mentioned they played comp wow (#1 in their battle groups etc.)

Why the elitist attitude? Even in their worst state, they have more players, and competition than ours at our best state…if we ever had one.

Plz stop the hate. It is like you are arrogant saying that this game’s pvp is better than WoW or something.

While it has the potential to be better, it is FAR, FAR from being that way anytime soon sadly.

Guys need to stop hating on games with clearly better PVP and a larger player base just because you think this game is better.

WoW is a widly successful game, and you guys need to stop acting like GW2 is the second coming of Jesus, because judgement day came and went, and none of us went to heaven.

Personal opinion… I think GW2 has the potential to be awesome, it is just so far from it right now.

Stop the h8 yo

Cry more wow kitten.

get off your high horses, wow is an example, not a finite comparison

the dnd nerds came out, let’s close this now

Hi! I played wow from vanilla to TBC;
The game was fun but I played a character meant for 12 year olds and the mentally handicapped so maybe I wasn’t getting the full experience?

Is this game way better? I’d say yes, better then what I played but I haven’t been back to WoW for quite some time..

Just the fact that there is No Gear Grind, Downstate, Dodging….
Makes it the ‘best attempt’ at pvp in my book:)

Hi! I played wow from vanilla to TBC;
The game was fun but I played a character meant for 12 year olds and the mentally handicapped so maybe I wasn’t getting the full experience?

Wow is alot harder to play well than guild wars.

Metally handicapped 12 year olds…like Spirit Rangers, Necro’s, S/D theif or more recently Warriors.

Downed State is an abomination. That’s one of the worst things about this game. What annoyed me about wow is all the addons, macro’s and stupid amount of binds just to be compeditive.

Divinity.8041:

get off your high horses, wow is an example, not a finite comparison

the dnd nerds came out, let’s close this now

Yeah, but we are still waiting for people with sense of humor… -.-

Conan.8046:

Hi! I played wow from vanilla to TBC;
The game was fun but I played a character meant for 12 year olds and the mentally handicapped so maybe I wasn’t getting the full experience?

Wow is alot harder to play well than guild wars.

Metally handicapped 12 year olds…like Spirit Rangers, Necro’s, S/D theif or more recently Warriors.

Downed State is an abomination. That’s one of the worst things about this game. What annoyed me about wow is all the addons, macro’s and stupid amount of binds just to be compeditive.

Actually.. I’d say it’s REAAAAAALLLY easy to play rogue/shadowpriest/shaman…. which is what I played..

WoW was always easy to pick on despite its success, and it was perhaps through ANet’s intentions/hubris that GW2 marketed as sort of an antithesis to WoW and it’s ideas. This is evident in how some of GW2 ideas only sounded good when they were compared to the apparent failings of WoW. Hindsight is kind of funny considering the current direction of this game, but I digress. Just a bit of history that could explain the disposition of GW2 players.

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Actually.. I’d say it’s REAAAAAALLLY easy to play rogue/shadowpriest/shaman…. which is what I played..

You probably played at a really low skill level and were carried because those classes were OP in vanilla. Even then, beatable other players who were good could whoop anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4bgggKMvQU – Vurtne – Crap gear, Weak class in the scheme of things….still beats everyone. Amazing to watch too.
If you watch nothing else watch it from 20mins…shamans vs mages…then vurtne vs shamans.

when he means shadowpriest , i dont think he means vanilia :P

Edit: mages weak class in vanilia ?
Where rank 1 frostball had 0.8 sec cast and u could keep up mernameant slow or cc or they had they istant pyro spec ?
and each gear back then gave 8-14 stats ?

I didnt have to change my green gear and equip my <,knight-leatenent>> gear back then :P

The day you see no more new posts being posted, that, my friend is the day gw2 is dead.

I think that WoW comunity is really worried with GW2.
Its just ridiculous someone that like that game comes here in GW2 forum talk about WoW :/

This calls fear and envy

If you think this game is better than WoW, you are just biased…