At first I was not going to bother responding to your critique but I believe there is some hope to get my point across so I posted. I will address you on a point by point basis
Just so we understand each others, I do not address my critique at YOU but at what you SAID. It is very important that you do not forget this.
-Nobody has factual evidence on a scale to prove anything except someone who can data mine anet’s logs. What we can prove are only things based on our experiences in game.[/quote] That is not entirely correct since we know how the algorithm pairs people in a team and be aware of the unfortunate collateral damage or boons it can potentially carry. This is a fact. An important one might I add.
But more importantly, if you admit no one can produce evidence why do you so cavalierly dismiss others point of views and different experiences?
-On meta builds: search and rescue druid as I briefly explained is not a build that can carry a team to force wins. resurrecting a bad player means hes going to die again faster than search and rescue gets used or you get countered while using search and rescue by good player. I will not go further in detail I am not writing a thesis on why res bot druid is bad. What I will say res bot druid not good because you get destroyed when outnumbered by competent players or in team fight if focused by ppl with ports. Resurrect druid will not make wins happen when you are behind. Where as a good Mesmer for example can make a win happen with a good portal play. A good elementalist on a team with no elementalist will increase the teams chance of winning if he can support mid and not let it get capped regardless of teammates deaths occurring the point stays decapped until it can be contested again into another fight. A druid not wasting utilities on SnR and not in clerics can force wins by being one of the best 1v1 builds thus forcing wins on side points and rotating in and out scoring points increasing likelihood your team wins.
The thing is and remain that you more or less imply people loosing are using bad builds. For one, the people playing non-meta is relatively rare. I would even go so far as to say non-meta p;layers are often the strong players. Also, if all things were equals the opponents would also have players who have these bad builds. Sadly, things are not made equal at the core.
all this to say that I see little evidences as to this being anywhere near the culprit of the problem we have at hand.
-On point 3: People do not have low MMR for no reason. I will concede if it is true new players starting in low MMR and not some average number as bad design. Having low MMR means you do not meet the games expectations of you. You can get out of so called MMR hell in 1 of 2 ways. Team Q or play well enough to beat expectations unless someone can prove the expectation system is deeply flawed which I have yet to be shown. If a player can not do either then they will get stuck is that fair I think so is it fun no it is not and perhaps Anet should do something about it.
This has already been discussed several times actually. you are correct that ppl do not have bad MMR for no reasons. The little hiccup in this reasoning is to immediately attribute bad MMR with poor skill players and high MMR with high skill players.
If like me you always sought to fight against the meta most of the time and no cared much about your rating, you will have a lesser win/loose ratio than you more than likely would if you had forced yourself playing the cheese most play.
Conversely, season 1 ppl who have exploited the match-making engine have artificially made themselves MMR gods that are in reality no different than most average players.
Finally, you have to also keep in mind that the new players will be attributed an average rating. That means someone like me who has 5k+ on his elementalist will be judged of similar skill as a brand new gw2 player…
Which leads back to your initial claim that there is a reason why ppl have poor MMR. If people with 5k+ hours and thousands of matches are on the same team as brand new players because they play riskier and the new player is welcomed at average rating what do you think will happen to the experienced player MMR more often than not? Will it, all things being equal, go up or down? And if it goes down or at least not up what teammates will he continue to get? And what will be the result of the next match and the consequence? See a problem here?
On the opposite spectrum, let’s take a season 1 cheeser who always played it safe and exploited the match making process. What teammates will the algorithm feed him if he soloq? High MMR players like him ofc. Will he, all things being equals, have to carry such ppl or they usually can carry themselves in a match? Yeah, the conditions for winning when 1/5 does not have to carry 4/5 are not exactly the same as when 4 or 5/5 can carry themselves.
In other words we compare bananas and air craft carriers. The algorithm engineer self-fulfilling prophecies and we do not.
-On positive win ratios: This ties into being good enough to carry to some extent or not being dead weight to your team. If you are better than 50% of the population playing you should have more than 50% win ratio. Thus over time you will get needed wins to become a legend. if you are this good but not winning because of MMR system. You need to start performing above expectations in matches, score more points to be where you should, which is hopefully in a place where you are on the winning 50% of the population. Of course, again, what will happen to that players MMR most of the time? It will go up or at least not down which lead to play while not having to carry etc.
See above.
-It is pointless to keep blaming your team for losing under the current system. The system expects you to rise up out of the hellhole that is low ranks and be deciding factor in your team winning or to perform above expectations to get better teams.
-the world is not fair but in GW2 there is are underlying systems that generate what is perceived as unfair. Long time players do not have low MMR or negative win ratio for no good reason. So if you have low MMR you deserved it for not performing well enough. If MMR should be reset at new leagues is a different debate and maybe it should to make the game more fun for certain people. Unlike the world GW2 success is a much greater degree in the hands of an individual. As in playing builds with potential to swing games and make plays, performing better than expected, and gaining in skill.
I will give you that it is in fact pointless to blame a system in the sense it doesn’t care but venting can help relieve pressure, letting know your experience to the system makers can lead to change and getting some acknowledgement from others also help how you cope with it. Being belittle and ignored while painted as a lazy entitled kid is not helping and more importantly is plain not correct/true.
Since I’ve already went through the “long time players do not have low MMR for no good reasons” portion of your text I will spare you repeating myself as to why it is not a valid measure of individual skill. If you are a good player, no matter your rating, you should rise. You do not need a system that will make it impossible for you not to. Again, it’s more a self-fulfilling prophecy as it is.
People like me, who can’t possibly be put in the same basket as new players MMR-wise no matter how you think he deserve that MMR for not having cared about it before, will suffer a lot from such a system, and it will be factually unfair to them to be given such players continuously.
I’ve already proposed to A-NET that if they can keep an eye on my account I would be willing to let another player who have a high opinion of himself show us how he can carry the teams I’m given. I say put up or shut up already. If you can’t do better than me you loose any legitimacy of blaming my skill belonging in the trash.
-To address your points of deserving I will point out as much as I hate to Helseth is going to carry someone he found who believes he is skilled enough to rank up but hard done by the system on a brand new account (IE low MMR) while I will be the first to admit there are a few flaws in his methodology what it will at-least prove if you are good enough you will rank up because you deserve it and will earn it because you are a deciding factor in games and/or queuing with a good player is enough to rank up. On another point Helseth plays Mesmer a known good player and as I have stated before a good Mesmer can steal games. I am very sure He will succeed in ranking up his adopted player.
It is easier to carry on some professions but carrying players who have experience and players who do not / do not care / troll is quite another. I know a bundle on carrying and my shoulders are hurting a lot.
