Guild Wars 2

I had to say it, this game’s pvp is crap and I enjoy the “boring” WoW pvp much more. I need to point out that I’m NOT talking about the gw2 combat system, action combat, which is great. First of all, everything is balanced around elite specs. This is ironic because during the summer 2015, they brought this talent overhaul with the idea of giving the possibility for more diverse builds. Yet, here we are, in a meta where if you don’t run elite spec, you’re under par compared to everyone else. Some say it normal since it is a new expansion and you need to make them stronger, but I find it makes all the other talent trees really underwhelming in comparison. It also doesn’t make sense or justify the reason to make them stronger, simply because free to play players will have a reason to buy the xpac.
Then there is also the ability spamfest going on in pvp. The combat flow makes everything happen so quickly and in a lot cases, people just spam their abilities. Some say they don’t, which is true, but things happen so quickly that there little room for strategic thinking and you end up spamming abilities. All you see is random aoe everywhere that end up one shotting someone at 50% health, while the actual player is just stading around and watching the enemy die ( a bit exaggerated but I have seen that several times, and not necessarily to me). Yes there are obviously ways to counter that, but when aoe dmg becomes greater than single target dps, there is obviously a problem.
Another weird thing, which isn’t necessarily a problem, is the weapons that are available to chose from. Why do some professions have more weapons at their disposal? This creates another form of imbalance, where some professions can be more versatile than others when it comes to builds. Yes, I do know some get kits and Ele gets 4 staff ability.
Conditions and buffs are ridiculous too. Being able to counter a few condis at one time make sense, and is fairly easy to do. But when you have 8 different kinds of conditions on you plus the 20 others you will get from the 2 other enemy players, it becomes a bit ridiculous. How is this even fun? How the hell is this an enjoyable mechanic? This is also true for the buffs you get. The duration of some are a bit ridiculous. This is also another terrible mechanic, when yourself or even your allies, can simply just stack these at will and never go away. I like the idea of revenants being able to buff allies, but how do you counter infinite buffs?
Don’t get me started on the match making….. 4 guards in one game, really?
There are so many other annoying things to say about the pvp in this game, bu those are just some really annoying ones. How can the devs fix this, and what are your thoughts? And please try not to say, l2p or get gud. Someone could be terrible at this game and still encounter these problems.

I’ve played WOW to gladiator for a bunch of seasons, and in vanilla I was a warlord.

WOW PvP in it’s current form is absolute unplayable skilless garbage.

GW2 PvP is so much better, and actually playable and skill based.

I don’t agree with you at all.

To be honest it really depends on the person when it comes WoW pvp but thier pvp is getting better each year ( except for WoD, that sucked a lot) . It is becoming more and more balanced and with legion, item rating will not matter anymore, as everything is standardized. And when it comes to skill in pvp, I think it does take a level of skill. Managing your resources can be quite tricky and positioning is extremely important, mostly in arenas. It takes a different kind of skill, where it is less about the actual action combat but more about the timing of abilities and player placement.

WoW does some things well, but overall GW2 >>>>>>>WoW.

There’s plenty of imbalance with classes in GW2, but nowhere near what WoW usually is and at least there’s only class imbalance. In WoW, there’s also gear imbalanced where those who have limitless time to grind are king.

Complains about elite specs being needed for meta builds.
Compares it to wow where there is literally only ONE way to play a class correctly in pvp
Good talk

Dahkeus.8243:

WoW does some things well, but overall GW2 >>>>>>>WoW.

There’s plenty of imbalance with classes in GW2, but nowhere near what WoW usually is and at least there’s only class imbalance. In WoW, there’s also gear imbalanced where those who have limitless time to grind are king.

Not in legion, that goes away. When it comes to overall balance, WoW is much greater and is getting better over the years. To me, It feels like gw2 is getting worse. I still don’t understand why the bring in a summer patch in 2015 to allow for more build diversity, but it HoTs, they completely destroy that possibility with elite specs.

Kayberz.5346:

Complains about elite specs being needed for meta builds.
Compares it to wow where there is literally only ONE way to play a class correctly in pvp
Good talk

I’m all against elite specs and never said or implied that they are needed for meta builds.

So, how much should we bet that you will need the Legion expac to be able to be competative in PvP. So in short, there will be something like Elite specs there too.

I would be supriced if Blizzard let PvPers only need core game to be competative.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

So, how much should we bet that you will need the Legion expac to be able to be competative in PvP. So in short, there will be something like Elite specs there too.

I would be supriced if Blizzard let PvPers only need core game to be competative.

You have obviously never played wow before. The thing is with WoW, you need the expac altogether to even play the new content. And the abilities or “elite spec” (which is nonexistent) are integrated into the core abilities. The only specialization there is is to chose from, is class you want to play.

Everybody criticizes WoW but what about the things in Gw2 like the condition problem i discussed. Saying that I thought WoW had better pvp was the point. Am I the only one who sees the things?

VoidNard.7206:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

So, how much should we bet that you will need the Legion expac to be able to be competative in PvP. So in short, there will be something like Elite specs there too.

I would be supriced if Blizzard let PvPers only need core game to be competative.

You have obviously never played wow before. The thing is with WoW, you need the expac altogether to even play the new content. And the abilities or “elite spec” (which is nonexistent) are integrated into the core abilities. The only specialization there is is to chose from, is class you want to play.

I have played WoW. Before BC and I have never turned to look back and I do not care.
I dunno if I will see, I may hear about it but as we say ‘We will see who is right and who is wrong’ as I have understood previous expansions and PvP in that foul game you had to level to the next max level and then get to do alot of PvE stuff to get some gear together (Wich you need the latest expac to do) so you could get competative. No? Well as I said I dunno, this is GW2 forum I have no obligation to know anything about a crappy game that majority of the playerbase is below 15.
Anyhow, when armor and level is out of the question then at Blizzards office I think they are going ‘So how do we get the pure PvPers to buy the expansion now?’ Well I don’t know but they will probably figure something out, becouse in the end a company like Blizzard want’s to grow.

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VoidNard.7206:

Everybody criticizes WoW but what about the things in Gw2 like the condition problem i discussed. Saying that I thought WoW had better pvp was the point. Am I the only one who sees the things?

Umm oh yea!? Weird, this is GW2 forum not Blizzards forum. If that game is so much better, pay your sub and head over there. Yes, you are one of very few here that does see that as we all have different tastes and since this is GW2 forum, most of us probably likes GW2 pvp better (Doesn’t have to mean they hate WoW as much as I do though).

Still blows my mind that people complain about the HoT expac from a PvPer’s perspective when WoW’s expac is basically $60 (on top of sub fee) that forces you to grind through PvE all over again just to play your same class at max level again.

Dahkeus.8243:

Still blows my mind that people complain about the HoT expac from a PvPer’s perspective when WoW’s expac is basically $60 (on top of sub fee) that forces you to grind through PvE all over again just to play your same class at max level again.

Please….. this is not my kitten point. I’m trying show what problems there are in pvp for goodness sake. Don’t make comments on wow. I was trying to show what the problems are in Gw2 not WoW.

VoidNard.7206:

Everybody criticizes WoW but what about the things in Gw2 like the condition problem i discussed. Saying that I thought WoW had better pvp was the point. Am I the only one who sees the things?

Ppl are getting derailed due to your WoW comparison, I never played WoW and I still think your points remain valid, too much power creep, too many conditions, too many boons, too spammy, non existent build diversity, boring conquest mode with garbage match making, yes that’s the state we are at IMO.

VoidNard.7206:

I had to say it, this game’s pvp is crap and I enjoy the “boring” WoW pvp much more. I need to point out that I’m NOT talking about the gw2 combat system, action combat, which is great. First of all, everything is balanced around elite specs. This is ironic because during the summer 2015, they brought this talent overhaul with the idea of giving the possibility for more diverse builds. Yet, here we are, in a meta where if you don’t run elite spec, you’re under par compared to everyone else. Some say it normal since it is a new expansion and you need to make them stronger, but I find it makes all the other talent trees really underwhelming in comparison. It also doesn’t make sense or justify the reason to make them stronger, simply because free to play players will have a reason to buy the xpac.
Then there is also the ability spamfest going on in pvp. The combat flow makes everything happen so quickly and in a lot cases, people just spam their abilities. Some say they don’t, which is true, but things happen so quickly that there little room for strategic thinking and you end up spamming abilities. All you see is random aoe everywhere that end up one shotting someone at 50% health, while the actual player is just stading around and watching the enemy die ( a bit exaggerated but I have seen that several times, and not necessarily to me). Yes there are obviously ways to counter that, but when aoe dmg becomes greater than single target dps, there is obviously a problem.
Another weird thing, which isn’t necessarily a problem, is the weapons that are available to chose from. Why do some professions have more weapons at their disposal? This creates another form of imbalance, where some professions can be more versatile than others when it comes to builds. Yes, I do know some get kits and Ele gets 4 staff ability.
Conditions and buffs are ridiculous too. Being able to counter a few condis at one time make sense, and is fairly easy to do. But when you have 8 different kinds of conditions on you plus the 20 others you will get from the 2 other enemy players, it becomes a bit ridiculous. How is this even fun? How the hell is this an enjoyable mechanic? This is also true for the buffs you get. The duration of some are a bit ridiculous. This is also another terrible mechanic, when yourself or even your allies, can simply just stack these at will and never go away. I like the idea of revenants being able to buff allies, but how do you counter infinite buffs?
Don’t get me started on the match making….. 4 guards in one game, really?
There are so many other annoying things to say about the pvp in this game, bu those are just some really annoying ones. How can the devs fix this, and what are your thoughts? And please try not to say, l2p or get gud. Someone could be terrible at this game and still encounter these problems.

I have not played WoW so I really can’t tell if it is good or not. But allow me to comment!

1- Elite specialisations kill diversity: I agree completely
2- Too much spam: this is true
3- AoE stronger than single-target dps: in most cases, agreed
4- Weapons, I never really perceived this as a big problem, but it is indeed a strange thing for some classes.
5- Condi is, for me, one of the major reasons why I do not enjoy guild wars 2 PvP, it’s just too easy to apply conditions that tick passively… passive play is bad.
6- MMR, well idk, I think it’s really relative

VoidNard.7206:

Dahkeus.8243:

Still blows my mind that people complain about the HoT expac from a PvPer’s perspective when WoW’s expac is basically $60 (on top of sub fee) that forces you to grind through PvE all over again just to play your same class at max level again.

Please….. this is not my kitten point. I’m trying show what problems there are in pvp for goodness sake. Don’t make comments on wow. I was trying to show what the problems are in Gw2 not WoW.

Most people can’t read between the lines, shouldn’t have mentioned WoW

Dahkeus.8243:

Still blows my mind that people complain about the HoT expac from a PvPer’s perspective when WoW’s expac is basically $60 (on top of sub fee) that forces you to grind through PvE all over again just to play your same class at max level again.

Reread OP. His point isn’t that he doesn’t want to buy HoT and pay 50 euros.. his point is that elite specs ruin balance, and all the other trait lines are just garbage compared to the elite spec.

Also remove the WoW reference as PadreNike says… the fanboys are just going to QQ about that and ignore all the reasonable arguments you make.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

VoidNard.7206:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

So, how much should we bet that you will need the Legion expac to be able to be competative in PvP. So in short, there will be something like Elite specs there too.

I would be supriced if Blizzard let PvPers only need core game to be competative.

You have obviously never played wow before. The thing is with WoW, you need the expac altogether to even play the new content. And the abilities or “elite spec” (which is nonexistent) are integrated into the core abilities. The only specialization there is is to chose from, is class you want to play.

I have played WoW. Before BC and I have never turned to look back and I do not care.
I dunno if I will see, I may hear about it but as we say ‘We will see who is right and who is wrong’ as I have understood previous expansions and PvP in that foul game you had to level to the next max level and then get to do alot of PvE stuff to get some gear together (Wich you need the latest expac to do) so you could get competative. No? Well as I said I dunno, this is GW2 forum I have no obligation to know anything about a crappy game that majority of the playerbase is below 15.
Anyhow, when armor and level is out of the question then at Blizzards office I think they are going ‘So how do we get the pure PvPers to buy the expansion now?’ Well I don’t know but they will probably figure something out, becouse in the end a company like Blizzard want’s to grow.

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VoidNard.7206:

Everybody criticizes WoW but what about the things in Gw2 like the condition problem i discussed. Saying that I thought WoW had better pvp was the point. Am I the only one who sees the things?

Umm oh yea!? Weird, this is GW2 forum not Blizzards forum. If that game is so much better, pay your sub and head over there. Yes, you are one of very few here that does see that as we all have different tastes and since this is GW2 forum, most of us probably likes GW2 pvp better (Doesn’t have to mean they hate WoW as much as I do though).

Man i stopped reading at: stopped playing after BC. lol Look, don’t criticize or talk about WoW or any other game if you haven’t played them recently. And can we talk about the Gw2 problems…. man. Like everything else is relevant and the only thing people bothered to read was the title. People get triggered so easy hahaha.

VoidNard.7206:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

VoidNard.7206:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

So, how much should we bet that you will need the Legion expac to be able to be competative in PvP. So in short, there will be something like Elite specs there too.

I would be supriced if Blizzard let PvPers only need core game to be competative.

You have obviously never played wow before. The thing is with WoW, you need the expac altogether to even play the new content. And the abilities or “elite spec” (which is nonexistent) are integrated into the core abilities. The only specialization there is is to chose from, is class you want to play.

I have played WoW. Before BC and I have never turned to look back and I do not care.
I dunno if I will see, I may hear about it but as we say ‘We will see who is right and who is wrong’ as I have understood previous expansions and PvP in that foul game you had to level to the next max level and then get to do alot of PvE stuff to get some gear together (Wich you need the latest expac to do) so you could get competative. No? Well as I said I dunno, this is GW2 forum I have no obligation to know anything about a crappy game that majority of the playerbase is below 15.
Anyhow, when armor and level is out of the question then at Blizzards office I think they are going ‘So how do we get the pure PvPers to buy the expansion now?’ Well I don’t know but they will probably figure something out, becouse in the end a company like Blizzard want’s to grow.

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VoidNard.7206:

Everybody criticizes WoW but what about the things in Gw2 like the condition problem i discussed. Saying that I thought WoW had better pvp was the point. Am I the only one who sees the things?

Umm oh yea!? Weird, this is GW2 forum not Blizzards forum. If that game is so much better, pay your sub and head over there. Yes, you are one of very few here that does see that as we all have different tastes and since this is GW2 forum, most of us probably likes GW2 pvp better (Doesn’t have to mean they hate WoW as much as I do though).

Man i stopped reading at: stopped playing after BC. lol Look, don’t criticize or talk about WoW or any other game if you haven’t played them recently. And can we talk about the Gw2 problems…. man. Like everything else is relevant and the only thing people bothered to read was the title. People get triggered so easy hahaha.

I even said before

You know, GW2 got it’s problems yes. But you are in a GW2 forum raising WoWs next expansion to the skies even before you have tried it. It is atleast compareble to my arguments. As long as you need PvE armor and levels to PvP in WoW I know I don’t like it, played many MMOs that’s like that. So with the new expac for WoW, that is an improvement, but I am saying. Don’t get your hopes up.

1 thing play WoW then, seriously what you complaining here?. Gw2 is not the the best pvp, but the others have also there problems. If you think Wow is better go there ranting.
And if you still playing gw2 that’s your problem not ours

Its also important for me note that this is only my opinion for pvp. In pve these problems are mostly relevant, like the condition and buff problem which actually is a fun mechanic in pve. And i think the underlying problem behind all this is the power creep. I think the real reason I wanted to compare WoW to Gw2, was because in wow pvp it takes much longer someone to die, considering they are at the same item level. Whereas in Gw2, the possibility to one kill someone in less than 5 seconds is real. I’m not saying to make it a WoW clone or anything like that, but taking into consideration the power creep could be beneficial to the balancing of the game. I do know that the bunker meta was a thing, and should be avoided, but lowering the overall dmg output could help with a lot of the problems I mentioned.

VoidNard.7206:

To be honest it really depends on the person when it comes WoW pvp but thier pvp is getting better each year ( except for WoD, that sucked a lot) . It is becoming more and more balanced and with legion, item rating will not matter anymore, as everything is standardized. And when it comes to skill in pvp, I think it does take a level of skill. Managing your resources can be quite tricky and positioning is extremely important, mostly in arenas. It takes a different kind of skill, where it is less about the actual action combat but more about the timing of abilities and player placement.

How much millions of revenue per month is needed for their PvP to finally “get better”? As a player spending THAT much money monthly… I would be kittened that it took this long. That’s half the reason why I quit nearly 5 years ago.

If GW2 is more about actual combat, then that’s the PvP I prefer. For the record OP, a player or team should have Ziltch issues with condi unless they’re fighting warriors 1v1. You’re either a Thief or constantly in a team with 0 condi support.

People already take long enough to die now, far too long IMO.
WOW is 15 minute RBG fights that never end due to healers and 30m dampening fests in arenas.
Long kill times in pvp is bad.

come on VoidNard you like this game, otherwhise you were playing WOW and not defending yourself in chat. Agreed they still can tune things and they have to but next time do not as if

RedZebra.2345:

come on VoidNard you like this game, otherwhise you were playing WOW and not defending yourself in chat. Agreed they still can tune things and they have to but next time do not as if

I didn’t say I did not like gw2, and you’re right, I do enjoy it. Although there are a lot of things that need balancing and reworking. There is just too much of everything. Too many condis too much cc, to much self healing, too much aoe.

hehe hear youself. Everyone who is playing gw2 wants some changes and they do but it’s sloooooooooow i know:)

none the less you have to keep asking for it otherwhise it’s no. Anyway follow reddit things are faster there.( SHAME ON YOU ANET )

Shiyo.3578:

I’ve played WOW to gladiator for a bunch of seasons, and in vanilla I was a warlord.

WOW PvP in it’s current form is absolute unplayable skilless garbage.

GW2 PvP is so much better, and actually playable and skill based.

I don’t agree with you at all.

Agreed. HWL in Vanilla, And Gladiator in S2 and S3 in BC. GW2 pvp has its faults, but way more fun than pvp in wow was. Unsure how things have changed. Yes, I did enjoy the “slower pace” of the pvp in WoW back then, but I also really enjoy the clutch interrupts and other skill play gw2 requires.

Also, i’m really not trying to complain, i’m just a very critical person and like to point out things like these problems.

again start some in reddit, it’s bad i know but yeah

ofc this is ‘crap’ too much passive and the point is to keep nodes, so most peopple run some form of ‘tank/bunker’

It’s true, it seems a lot of the power also comes from all the passives in the game. Its ridiculous how many buffs you can keep up. The elite spec line is full of them and are also stronger passives compared to other trait lines.

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

False dichotomy much? It’s crazy but maybe he likes other aspects of this game better just not the pvp? Really try and think before posting.

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

False dichotomy much? It’s crazy but maybe he likes other aspects of this game better just not the pvp? Really try and think before posting.

i believe this is the pvp section, i could careless if the OP like Pve or WvW better than spvp. His points might or might not be valid, but the title should be changed if the OP want hardcore MMO player to take him seriously.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

False dichotomy much? It’s crazy but maybe he likes other aspects of this game better just not the pvp? Really try and think before posting.

i believe this is the pvp section, i could careless if the OP like Pve or WvW better than spvp. His points might or might not be valid, but the title should be changed if the OP want hardcore MMO player to take him seriously.

So what if it’s the pvp section doesn’t make your statement any less ignorant. And not sure why you think you get to speak for all “hardcore MMO players” but you certainly don’t speak for me. If you can’t handle this discussion don’t click on the title that simple really.

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

False dichotomy much? It’s crazy but maybe he likes other aspects of this game better just not the pvp? Really try and think before posting.

i believe this is the pvp section, i could careless if the OP like Pve or WvW better than spvp. His points might or might not be valid, but the title should be changed if the OP want hardcore MMO player to take him seriously.

So what if it’s the pvp section doesn’t make your statement any less ignorant. And not sure why you think you get to speak for all “hardcore MMO players” but you certainly don’t speak for me. If you can’t handle this discussion don’t click on the title that simple really.

So, you think WoW pvp is better than ours (S3)?

WoW PvP and GW2 PvP are both terrible right now. I played both for years.

Mechanically, GW2 is way better. But the balance is inexcusably bad. GW2 balance has fallen to the point where facerolling a meta build lets you compete in skill with almost everyone else.

WoW PvP has fallen victim to power creep (it usually does once the second raid set of the expansion comes out) and is too dependent on 1.5-3min cooldowns.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

False dichotomy much? It’s crazy but maybe he likes other aspects of this game better just not the pvp? Really try and think before posting.

i believe this is the pvp section, i could careless if the OP like Pve or WvW better than spvp. His points might or might not be valid, but the title should be changed if the OP want hardcore MMO player to take him seriously.

So what if it’s the pvp section doesn’t make your statement any less ignorant. And not sure why you think you get to speak for all “hardcore MMO players” but you certainly don’t speak for me. If you can’t handle this discussion don’t click on the title that simple really.

So, you think WoW pvp is better than ours (S3)?

You really have a strange habit of just reading what you want to see. Not once have I said that, please try and follow the discussion rather than trying your best to demonize others. You make baseless accusations with nothing to back it. Your first post was basically you telling him his opinion is wrong, you realize how illogical that is?

I like GW2 pvp better mechanically I just can’t take it seriously without a solo queue. Haven’t played WoW pvp recent enough to make any judgements balance wise but matchmaking I vastly prefer what WoW has to offer over the 3 seasons we have had so far.

Exedore.6320:

WoW PvP and GW2 PvP are both terrible right now. I played both for years.

Mechanically, GW2 is way better. * But the balance is inexcusably bad. GW2 balance has fallen to the point where facerolling a meta build lets you compete in skill with almost everyone else.*

WoW PvP has fallen victim to power creep (it usually does once the second raid set of the expansion comes out) and is too dependent on 1.5-3min cooldowns.

This could have been true during S1 or 2, we have one of the best balance ever , 8 out of 9 class are meta, according to everyone. And the power creep is getting tone down patch after patch.

I’m guessing you’re a fairly new player, as some of the issues you mentioned seem more about confusion than anything else. Hopefully I can explain a bit.

The elite specializations being overperforming are pretty much broken down into two things. One is powercreep, which is a problem and hopefully will be addressed more in the next balance patches. The other is just the game moving forward. They’re not called “elite” specializations for no reason. You wouldn’t expect to kill a lv100 player with your lv90 character in WoW, right? The difference is that GW2 actually still gives you a really good fighting chance even if you don’t have the newest expansion.

For the spammy gameplay, that really only happens in low-skill matches. That’s about it.

The weapon thing is pretty much meaningless. By that reasoning the Warrior should be the most versatile class in the game since it has access to the most weapons, yet it’s anything but that.

Conditions and boons are just something you have to learn to deal with. Yes, they’re strong with the current meta, but the inability to deal with them is really all down to inexperience.

I do find it pretty funny that almost everything you mentioned, WoW does worse. Spammy gameplay, new classes being way stronger than old ones, huge lack of variety in builds, balance… (!!! – WoW’s pvp balance has been legendarily horrible for years)

Tell you what, I’d suggest you to go and play WoW for a while.
You’ll come back with a newfound appreciation for GW2’s pvp. I did the same.

WoW has worse combat mechanics, was based on PvE gear most of their time -instead GW2 has normalized stats for everyone and you can play PvP since day one, as must be- and has two thrillions of skills in cooldown filling half of the screen.

Some other MMOs has some PvP aspects that do the work better than in GW2, but WoW isn’t one of them and overall despite the unbalances and rants I still think that GW2 is the best in PvP/WvW.

Fivedawgs.4267:

This could have been true during S1 or 2, we have one of the best balance ever , 8 out of 9 class are meta, according to everyone. And the power creep is getting tone down patch after patch.

That’s sarcasm, right? Balance is still a total joke in GW2.

Good balance in GW2 was 1-2 years ago. Every profession was viable, many with multiple builds. Skilled play of a non-meta build beat mediocre play of a non-meta build. Meta builds still had clear weaknesses.

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

False dichotomy much? It’s crazy but maybe he likes other aspects of this game better just not the pvp? Really try and think before posting.

i believe this is the pvp section, i could careless if the OP like Pve or WvW better than spvp. His points might or might not be valid, but the title should be changed if the OP want hardcore MMO player to take him seriously.

So what if it’s the pvp section doesn’t make your statement any less ignorant. And not sure why you think you get to speak for all “hardcore MMO players” but you certainly don’t speak for me. If you can’t handle this discussion don’t click on the title that simple really.

So, you think WoW pvp is better than ours (S3)?

You really have a strange habit of just reading what you want to see. Not once have I said that, please try and follow the discussion rather than trying your best to demonize others. You make baseless accusations with nothing to back it. Your first post was basically you telling him his opinion is wrong, you realize how illogical that is?

I agree, However, if the OP want us to take him serious, don’t you think the title is apocryphal?

Actually, you are right … i’ll refrain from posting until the OP change his title..

Have fun,

Exedore.6320:

Fivedawgs.4267:

This could have been true during S1 or 2, we have one of the best balance ever , 8 out of 9 class are meta, according to everyone. And the power creep is getting tone down patch after patch.

That’s sarcasm, right? Balance is still a total joke in GW2.

Good balance in GW2 was 1-2 years ago. Every profession was viable, many with multiple builds. Skilled play of a non-meta build beat mediocre play of a non-meta build. Meta builds still had clear weaknesses.

Nope far, from it. And i said one of the best (top 5, imo).

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Question: Why are you playing this game if WoW is more enjoyable?

Anyone who has played WoW knows their pvp is braindead and pricey, so long as the tittle of this thread doesnt change, you are full of it.

False dichotomy much? It’s crazy but maybe he likes other aspects of this game better just not the pvp? Really try and think before posting.

i believe this is the pvp section, i could careless if the OP like Pve or WvW better than spvp. His points might or might not be valid, but the title should be changed if the OP want hardcore MMO player to take him seriously.

So what if it’s the pvp section doesn’t make your statement any less ignorant. And not sure why you think you get to speak for all “hardcore MMO players” but you certainly don’t speak for me. If you can’t handle this discussion don’t click on the title that simple really.

So, you think WoW pvp is better than ours (S3)?

You really have a strange habit of just reading what you want to see. Not once have I said that, please try and follow the discussion rather than trying your best to demonize others. You make baseless accusations with nothing to back it. Your first post was basically you telling him his opinion is wrong, you realize how illogical that is?

I agree, However, if the OP want us to take him serious, don’t you think the title is apocryphal?

Actually, you are right … i’ll refrain from posting until the OP change his title..

Have fun,

Not at all, he has the numbers on his side you realize we are the minority comparatively? Doesn’t make his opinion any less valid other than to those with extremely thin skin apparently. If that’s all it takes to get you not to post than yes I agree perhaps forums are not the medium you are looking for.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Exedore.6320:

WoW PvP and GW2 PvP are both terrible right now. I played both for years.

Mechanically, GW2 is way better. * But the balance is inexcusably bad. GW2 balance has fallen to the point where facerolling a meta build lets you compete in skill with almost everyone else.*

WoW PvP has fallen victim to power creep (it usually does once the second raid set of the expansion comes out) and is too dependent on 1.5-3min cooldowns.

This could have been true during S1 or 2, we have one of the best balance ever , 8 out of 9 class are meta, according to everyone. And the power creep is getting tone down patch after patch.

I wouldn’t call specific opinions five days after a season start “meta”. Yes, probably every class fills a certain niche in the game right now, but I still think that at least 3 professions will get dropped at tournament level which will lead to it’s solidifying.

Exedore.6320:

Good balance in GW2 was 1-2 years ago.

You mean when necro and ranger were completely unplayed?

Nah. The current balance is pretty good, and once the elite specs get toned down a bit and the guardian gets a couple buffs, it might reach the best spot we’ve had in forever.

WoW pvp is also garbage. Most players quit already and those who compete are fed up with the direction pvp is taking, so basically the same like in GW2.

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