Guild Wars 2

nerf this nerf that?

how many good mesmers is out there truthfully that you guys are scared of?

everyone on my team beats mesmers on the other teams and you guys saying to nerf them?

how many good thifs out there truthfully that you guys are scared of?

everyone on my team beats thiefs on the other teams and you guys say nerf them?

L2P ppl its hat easy msg me in game if you need help i help everyone. i have never done finished a hotjoin match with more then 50 points in this game because i go in there to practice 1v1 and 2v2.

if you have trouble with a class find them and ask how to beat them its easy.

it took me a long time to find out how to beat hman 1v1 but once i did i havnt had to many problems with warriors in game. (secret is stay back)

this is not a 1v1 game every class has there own role in the game. i have been building teams sence day one and the reson my teams are always top teams is because not only do i know everyones role in the team but so does the team.

here is a secret i dont like to say but if it helps u kids stop qq ing here it is listen close

i am a mesmer i directly counter the other teams mesmer i watch everything he does. i know his portal time i know his cd on time warp i know were he is at all time and when i go to a group fight i destroy the mesmer to get him out of there.

L2P isnt a mean thing to say nor is newb all it means is new ppl that need to learn how this game works. some ppl are prics on this game thats fine but then there is ppl like me that will help you.

so instead of going into a match and saying “they have a cheap backstab thief” i want you saying “ok billy your job is to keep eyes on the thief all game”

TLDR : 1. stop qq ing and asking for nerfs,
2. L2P, by asking ppl for help, tips and tricks
3. figure out your and everyone in your teams role on the team
4. SAtaarcoeny is greatest mesmer (na and eu)

We got nerfed and we don’t even have a place in the tpvp meta. Be happy
that you are still a top dog.

Signed,
Engineer.

you are silly if u think engis dont have a place. and i have never once said nerf anyone. i just say fix bugs and exploits.

every class is fine. but if we keep nerfing every class it leaves less options and makes everyone run same build. its sad

we need to start buffing stuff.

Still waiting for AIM team 7

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

The thing is balance can’t have a singular focus at the top level. Telling people just to ltp isn’t going to help the community. We are obviously seeing balance issues at lower levels of play where players haven’t learned all the other classes burst rotations and are just instantly dieing. Have that happen a couple times and have them quit the game, yeah that is good… Hardly the only reason the game is bleeding players but still a very notable one.

Saying ltp isn’t the solution in this case. It is more of a global problem with burst specs where in order to win perfect use of active defense is necessary. Can new players be expected to do this? Hell no.

What should be asked for instead of straight nerfs is more of an adjustment to burst specs with many of those classes strengths being moved slightly towards other areas to give new players a bit of a buffer. Animations also need to be cleaned up with the level of importance of the skill being reflected by the animations to help lessen the learning curve.

Fouth…we need to ask for BALANCE. Nerfing is just intergra part of balancing process. Noone should get mad about it once objective measure of balance is introduced.
If you have mesmers and guardians representing 40%-50% of class pool at the top rankings (in any setting) they just need to be toned down.

And SAtaarcoeny.8476 you are tired of ppl calling for nerfs?
Imagine how tired people are watching clueless guys who actually pose the challenge to defeat through the sheer fact that their class is severely OP and not because they play well. So clueless guy thinks he is good player since he does not understand how severely OP his class is.
Imagine how tired rangers who want to play 5v5 are of not having the place in a team because…well..they are not mesmer or guardian or whatever other OP class is out there.
Who do you think is more tired…you or them?

Buffing is the same thing as Nerfing.

Example →

Nerfing Grenade for engineer : Every engineer cried.

Buffing Mesmer SS : Everybody else cry.

Buffing isn’t better then nerfing, the result is the same.

Bob and John are working at 10$/hour.

John get downgraded to 9$/hour. John is mad because Bob got a better salairy.

They both return to 10$/hour.

Bob get a raise to 11$/hour. John is mad because Bob got a raise.

See, same result.

Anet have to balance/buff/nerf around to keep the Meta Evolving. We can’t keep the current Meta for ever, people will get bored. We all know which class are the top dog, and which class are not. We won’t get a perfect balance, it’s impossible. But Anet can still try to make it as much even as they can.

Sataar, if you’re tired of the QQ show us. Play something else for a night, and go into paids without portal and timewarp and make me a video of you guys beating JBUO, RC, Qt. Then I’ll believe you.

Mufa.1326:

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

if you just L2P im sure u will be fine in this game. like i said if you need help about your role in the game i can help you. just whipser me in game and you will get good at it and have more fun then you wont be complaining so much

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Mufa.1326:

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

if you just L2P im sure u will be fine in this game. like i said if you need help about your role in the game i can help you. just whipser me in game and you will get good at it and have more fun then you wont be complaining so much

People are complaining not because you can’t beat mesmers, but because your team has to have one in order to stay competitive, because of team utility they bring, along with great 1vs1 and team fighting capability.

HappinessFactory.4910:

Sataar, if you’re tired of the QQ show us. Play something else for a night, and go into paids without portal and timewarp and make me a video of you guys beating JBUO, RC, Qt. Then I’ll believe you.

this

you ppl are so wrong about everything its sad.

i was told you cant have a warrior and then i made the best team NA with a warrior.

i was told you cant have a ranger even if u read a reply up a little u get cleuless ppl saying ranger isnt viable but my new team has a ranger and hes a monster.

you say engi cant be in new meta? while vyn was on a vacation we brought a engi onto our team for a week and we lost 5 paid games in 1 1/2 weeks.

again like i said all you kids do is QQ and im sick of it. L2P if you want to do something do it dont sit there crying that you cant when what you really mean is you dont know how.

you kids are trying to ruin the game for everyone for the simple fact you do not know what you are doing.

mufia said rangers are tired of not being on a team? vyndetta is number 4 QP NA and hes a ranger so everything you say is no longer valid cause u obviously have no idea what your talking about.

ITT: Everyone l2p except mesmers

Seriously though, how do you beat a shatter mesmer as a warrior?

make a video beating top teams as phantasam non shatter spec without portal and time warp equipped

make a video beating top teams as phantasam non shatter spec without portal and time warp equipped

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

you ppl are so wrong about everything its sad.

i was told you cant have a warrior and then i made the best team NA with a warrior.

i was told you cant have a ranger even if u read a reply up a little u get cleuless ppl saying ranger isnt viable but my new team has a ranger and hes a monster.

you say engi cant be in new meta? while vyn was on a vacation we brought a engi onto our team for a week and we lost 5 paid games in 1 1/2 weeks.

again like i said all you kids do is QQ and im sick of it. L2P if you want to do something do it dont sit there crying that you cant when what you really mean is you dont know how.

you kids are trying to ruin the game for everyone for the simple fact you do not know what you are doing.

mufia said rangers are tired of not being on a team? vyndetta is number 4 QP NA and hes a ranger so everything you say is no longer valid cause u obviously have no idea what your talking about.

Anything can be done, but the ease of which you do it with a mesmer is diproportionate to other professions.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

you ppl are so wrong about everything its sad.

i was told you cant have a warrior and then i made the best team NA with a warrior.

i was told you cant have a ranger even if u read a reply up a little u get cleuless ppl saying ranger isnt viable but my new team has a ranger and hes a monster.

you say engi cant be in new meta? while vyn was on a vacation we brought a engi onto our team for a week and we lost 5 paid games in 1 1/2 weeks.

again like i said all you kids do is QQ and im sick of it. L2P if you want to do something do it dont sit there crying that you cant when what you really mean is you dont know how.

you kids are trying to ruin the game for everyone for the simple fact you do not know what you are doing.

mufia said rangers are tired of not being on a team? vyndetta is number 4 QP NA and hes a ranger so everything you say is no longer valid cause u obviously have no idea what your talking about.

My god, you still don’t get it, do you? For god’s sake, people are complaining not because you can’t have warrior, ranger or engi in a team, but because mesmers, and guardians for that matter, are mandatory in any team comp, which means there are only 3 slots left for other professions. Do you get why people are complaining, aside from common whiners who complain whenever something downs them quickly, and god forsake if it also finishes them.

Mufa.1326:

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

The name of the game is GUILD WARS… GROUP Utility is freaking part of it! They will not make it a 1v1 based system because it has no place in the entire game. If every class was balanced based off 1v1 then the classes would lose their uniqueness… BTW whoever think engineers still suck seriously an engineer with a net turret/flame thrower and bomb kit can hold a point easy… not to mention supply drop which is OMGERED your whole team is dead cuz I just mega stunned you beezys… If every class was on the same level 1v1 it would defeat the design of the game… Anyone ever wonder why they have 8v8 in sPvP… mmmm how many professions does this game have… Omg DING DING DING DING…

jportell.2197:

Mufa.1326:

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

The name of the game is GUILD WARS… GROUP Utility is freaking part of it! They will not make it a 1v1 based system because it has no place in the entire game. If every class was balanced based off 1v1 then the classes would lose their uniqueness… BTW whoever think engineers still suck seriously an engineer with a net turret/flame thrower and bomb kit can hold a point easy… not to mention supply drop which is OMGERED your whole team is dead cuz I just mega stunned you beezys… If every class was on the same level 1v1 it would defeat the design of the game… Anyone ever wonder why they have 8v8 in sPvP… mmmm how many professions does this game have… Omg DING DING DING DING…

So, because it is not a 1 v 1 game it’s ok for certain professions to be great in a 1 v 1 setting and great in group settings? Makes sense…

HappinessFactory.4910:

Sataar, if you’re tired of the QQ show us. Play something else for a night, and go into paids without portal and timewarp and make me a video of you guys beating JBUO, RC, Qt. Then I’ll believe you.

as you see im not a FOTM type of guy i have always and only played 1 character. maybe thats the reason i dont join in on the QQ forum post.

i know how to counter i know my role its sad to say but maybe them letting ppl become lvl 80 and get right into pvp is a bad thing when it seems most all you (everyone QQ ing) has no idea how to play this game competitively.

when i fight vain in a 1v1 he can beat me and i can beat him (if you nerf ele or mesmer then it wont be fair)

when me and vyn used to fight he would win and i would win (if you nerf mes or buff ranger then it will get unfair)

when me and caed fight he will win or i can win …..

me and hman …… same thing

me and hiba same thing….

me and raytek (hes on the kaypud bs guardian build)

me and jaja same thing he has beat me i have beat him

sorry i cant mention any mesmers because there is not a mesmer out there that i have ever had trouble with (thats why i dont understand ppls frustration)

every top of there class player can beat any other top of there class player. my advice is stop trying to get good at every class if you want to be very successful at your main.

get on a class you want to play L2P it that doesnt mean learn your skills you need to learn how they work against everyone in every situation. learn positioning, learn when to do and not to do certain things.

HMAN “all i play is warrior sence day one and i still havnt mastered it, im learning new stuff everyday” greatest thing i ever heard cause i fell the same way about my mesmer so if we are still learning how to play then im sure most you QQ ers are also and your just trying to take the easy way out by nerfing everything so its easier for you to be good

sata is right though.

Right now there are trends (Builds, Classes, Strats) that top players will use, and they work. Then everyone else copies these trends. Does this mean other trends don’t work? no, of course not.

Can you have something other than a mesmer watch backpoint? Yes. It just requires that you have someone mobile enough to run back to the point when someone else is going for it. You also need to have team awareness so that you know who is in the position to go for your back point.

Honestly no one is anywhere near reaching a “skill-cap” in this game, and this mindset that people always have in MMOs that they’re getting “counter-comped,” or “there’s no possible way to win” needs to go away. This might sound stupid, but the little engine that could had it right all this time: I think I can, I think I can. If you don’t think you can then guess what: you can’t.

lol, not fotm guy yet plays shatter spec with portal snd timewarp. lolz

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

nerf this nerf that?

how many good mesmers is out there truthfully that you guys are scared of?

everyone on my team beats mesmers on the other teams and you guys saying to nerf them?

how many good thifs out there truthfully that you guys are scared of?

everyone on my team beats thiefs on the other teams and you guys say nerf them?

L2P ppl its hat easy msg me in game if you need help i help everyone. i have never done finished a hotjoin match with more then 50 points in this game because i go in there to practice 1v1 and 2v2.

if you have trouble with a class find them and ask how to beat them its easy.

it took me a long time to find out how to beat hman 1v1 but once i did i havnt had to many problems with warriors in game. (secret is stay back)

this is not a 1v1 game every class has there own role in the game. i have been building teams sence day one and the reson my teams are always top teams is because not only do i know everyones role in the team but so does the team.

here is a secret i dont like to say but if it helps u kids stop qq ing here it is listen close

i am a mesmer i directly counter the other teams mesmer i watch everything he does. i know his portal time i know his cd on time warp i know were he is at all time and when i go to a group fight i destroy the mesmer to get him out of there.

L2P isnt a mean thing to say nor is newb all it means is new ppl that need to learn how this game works. some ppl are prics on this game thats fine but then there is ppl like me that will help you.

so instead of going into a match and saying “they have a cheap backstab thief” i want you saying “ok billy your job is to keep eyes on the thief all game”

TLDR : 1. stop qq ing and asking for nerfs,
2. L2P, by asking ppl for help, tips and tricks
3. figure out your and everyone in your teams role on the team
4. SAtaarcoeny is greatest mesmer (na and eu)

i actually doubt that every teammate of ur team can beat every mesmer and thief. and u can’t say ur best mesmer on eu and na. maybe on na yes. but u’ve never seen eu players so i don’t think u have the right to say that either.
and its not a issue of l2p or not.
I first said aswell, l2p it isn’t hard to dodge a thief cnd steal bs etc. i said that u were a noob if u couldn’t do it but…
i started playing some other classes and practiced it in hot joins….
a thief actually managed to kill me by spamming 2222222222 after cnd steal bs combo. its just stupid.
but i’d gladly come to na to prove that ur wrong. but on that moa thread of urs i actually agree, gw2 needs more variety. its all the same build, all the same kitten. u see a warrior? Oh my what build does he has ? a mesmer? :O its probaly not shatter. i would say, start buffing condition mesmer and condition thieves or something. thats whats gonna make the game interesting. making hard choices wich both seem viable. i think thats what is gonna make a game nice.
and not sure how na thieves play, i’ll add u and come to na with my second account from my sister

Pyrial.2917:

ITT: Everyone l2p except mesmers

Seriously though, how do you beat a shatter mesmer as a warrior?

ask hman because he beats me 7 out of 10 times as a warrior.

(im going to tell you to L2P and that isnt mean. it means find a warrior who can do it aka HMAN and ask him to teach you)

you just need to L2P

This is not about making mesmers weakers in actual combat. It is about making the game better to play. If they were to change these two abilities I would actually like them to do something to help mesmers out because these two abilities are obviously a big part of the reason that teams take mesmers. Portal and Time Warp are pretty much the strongest two abilities in the game and no other class has anything that can match these two abilities making mesmers a part of nearly every competitive team.

This isn’t a cry about mesmers being too strong and blowing people up. This is about how their flawed design has made a mesmer essentially mandatory.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

1. stop qq ing and asking for nerfs,
2. L2P, by asking ppl for help, tips and tricks
3. figure out your and everyone in your teams role on the team

huh? youre assuming that people actually have a secret desire to take part in the meta. thing is kid, nobody wants to. there’s like 30 of you playing and we dont give a flying kitten >.< people dont want to get better because the state of the game sucks. which is why everyone is complaining and asking for a change of direction. GW2 pvp aint going anywhere until meta is significantly changed. custom arenas and matchmaking will bring some people back, but it wont be long until numbers drop off again.

nobody wants to play mesmer/guardian/thief wars with like 5 superior specs.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

HappinessFactory.4910:

Sataar, if you’re tired of the QQ show us. Play something else for a night, and go into paids without portal and timewarp and make me a video of you guys beating JBUO, RC, Qt. Then I’ll believe you.

as you see im not a FOTM type of guy i have always and only played 1 character. maybe thats the reason i dont join in on the QQ forum post.

i know how to counter i know my role its sad to say but maybe them letting ppl become lvl 80 and get right into pvp is a bad thing when it seems most all you (everyone QQ ing) has no idea how to play this game competitively.

when i fight vain in a 1v1 he can beat me and i can beat him (if you nerf ele or mesmer then it wont be fair)

when me and vyn used to fight he would win and i would win (if you nerf mes or buff ranger then it will get unfair)

when me and caed fight he will win or i can win …..

me and hman …… same thing

me and hiba same thing….

me and raytek (hes on the kaypud bs guardian build)

me and jaja same thing he has beat me i have beat him

sorry i cant mention any mesmers because there is not a mesmer out there that i have ever had trouble with (thats why i dont understand ppls frustration)

every top of there class player can beat any other top of there class player. my advice is stop trying to get good at every class if you want to be very successful at your main.

get on a class you want to play L2P it that doesnt mean learn your skills you need to learn how they work against everyone in every situation. learn positioning, learn when to do and not to do certain things.

HMAN “all i play is warrior sence day one and i still havnt mastered it, im learning new stuff everyday” greatest thing i ever heard cause i fell the same way about my mesmer so if we are still learning how to play then im sure most you QQ ers are also and your just trying to take the easy way out by nerfing everything so its easier for you to be good

While I agree with you, I can say that you’re wasting time…“it’s easier to QQ rather than get better and it’s always other’s fault when I lose”, this is the truth of MMOs.
Like you, I have been maining an ele from the beginning, my only and main profession..been playing this profession even during the times it was considered a free kill, got good at it , tried all professions to learn animations and weaknesses, traits and common builds and this the difference between me and the QQers, I did put the effort to learn my profession and how to counter others

Sorry but i’m best mesmer NA playing in EU, I don’t use macros.

I am the best na mesmer in hot join

nerva.7940:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

1. stop qq ing and asking for nerfs,
2. L2P, by asking ppl for help, tips and tricks
3. figure out your and everyone in your teams role on the team

huh? youre assuming that people actually have a secret desire to take part in the meta. thing is kid, nobody wants to. there’s like 30 of you playing and we dont give a flying kitten >.< people dont want to get better because the state of the game sucks. which is why everyone is complaining and asking for a change of direction. GW2 pvp aint going anywhere until meta is significantly changed. custom arenas and matchmaking will bring some people back, but it wont be long until numbers drop off again.

nobody wants to play mesmer/guardian/thief wars with like 5 superior specs.

That’s why Eve Online is so amazing despite not having the numbers of WoW, the MMOs were and should have remained a niche market for fans of the genre, while the console generation should have remained with their Xbox 360 and PS3 playing Halo and CoD, when you try to reach for the console generation with a MMO..this is the result, a MMO for casuals?…never gonna happen, casuals don’t want to put the effort or invest time in a game, an attitude better suited for somebody who enjoy playing FF7 not a MMO

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Pyrial.2917:

ITT: Everyone l2p except mesmers

Seriously though, how do you beat a shatter mesmer as a warrior?

ask hman because he beats me 7 out of 10 times as a warrior.

(im going to tell you to L2P and that isnt mean. it means find a warrior who can do it aka HMAN and ask him to teach you)

you just need to L2P

“it took me a long time to find out how to beat hman 1v1 but once i did i havnt had to many problems with warriors in game. (secret is stay back)”

So which is it? You either lose 7/10 times or you don’t have a problem with them. Losing 70% of the time would indicate you need to l2p against warriors.

if he doesnt stay back he dies to hb, the meta is too deep for you bro

Sprawl.3891:

if he doesnt stay back he dies to hb, the meta is too deep for you bro

That’s deep, but I thought only EU meta was evolved…

nerva.7940:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

1. stop qq ing and asking for nerfs,
2. L2P, by asking ppl for help, tips and tricks
3. figure out your and everyone in your teams role on the team

huh? youre assuming that people actually have a secret desire to take part in the meta. thing is kid, nobody wants to. there’s like 30 of you playing and we dont give a flying kitten >.< people dont want to get better because the state of the game sucks. which is why everyone is complaining and asking for a change of direction. GW2 pvp aint going anywhere until meta is significantly changed. custom arenas and matchmaking will bring some people back, but it wont be long until people stop playing again.

curent meta? are u serious we keep changing the meta we have been for the last 3 months. how about you L2P so you can change the meta also.
obviously you are copying what we are doing and it doesnt work for you so how about you do your own thing.

if you read up or are in the pvp scene you will know we keep changing it so dont tell me about a meta cause that makes 0 sense to me.

every team gets 5 ppl you play 5 ppl you have 8 classes to chose from someone told me thats almost 800 different possibilities for meta’s on top of each class can change there specs and roles to either guard support burst sustained that leaves us with a possible meat of 1.69389598e+10 possibilities.

so dont tell me about the current meta cause i change it on the weekly. you need to try and L2P so you can do the same. stop asking for nerfs instead L2P and ask for new skills and trait buffs so we can have more variety and you dont need to copy everything we do.

Arheundel.6451:

nerva.7940:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

1. stop qq ing and asking for nerfs,
2. L2P, by asking ppl for help, tips and tricks
3. figure out your and everyone in your teams role on the team

huh? youre assuming that people actually have a secret desire to take part in the meta. thing is kid, nobody wants to. there’s like 30 of you playing and we dont give a flying kitten >.< people dont want to get better because the state of the game sucks. which is why everyone is complaining and asking for a change of direction. GW2 pvp aint going anywhere until meta is significantly changed. custom arenas and matchmaking will bring some people back, but it wont be long until numbers drop off again.

nobody wants to play mesmer/guardian/thief wars with like 5 superior specs.

That’s why Eve Online is so amazing despite not having the numbers of WoW, the MMOs were and should have remained a niche market for fans of the genre, while the console generation should have remained with their Xbox 360 and PS3 playing Halo and CoD, when you try to reach for the console generation with a MMO..this is the result, a MMO for casuals?…never gonna happen, casuals don’t want to put the effort or invest time in a game, an attitude better suited for somebody who enjoy playing FF7 not a MMO

it worked for dota and SC2 though. thing about these games is they were truly easy to pick up and difficult to master. you can kitten around in gold division forever if you feel like it and still have fun.

GW2 scared off the less skilled players by pitting them against experts. these guys were trapped in a rank-less limbo continuously losing, until they just left. having matchmaking eases you into the higher levels of play instead of traumatizing you, and shipping the game without this feature was a seriously bad decision…but we all know this now.

the other problem with GW2 is build skillcap. the top 5 builds in tpvp have some of the lowest skillcaps but also happen to be most effective. look at shatter mesmers, BS thieves, and bunker guards – all mandatory. this basically prevents people from experimenting with different specs. because, why should they if they can faceroll to win? low number of viable specs was the other serious mistake. high skillcap specs, like the bunker ranger or power necro, need to be just as rewarding. but theyre simply not. why? bunker guard and wellmancer faceroll

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

if you read up or are in the pvp scene you will know we keep changing it so dont tell me about a meta cause that makes 0 sense to me.

first of all, what pvp scene? second, 90% of players wont be synthesizing new knowledge. they’ll be using 1) what theyre comfortable with and 2) whatever is OP. so you cant start calling everyone a noob just because they cant get on a highly organized tpvp team and experiment. it makes more sense to make the game accessible for 90% of the population. this is the problem. interesting high skillcap builds arent rewarding because bunkering, burst, and portals nullify most of them, or simply take away the need to try anything different.

you seem very upbeat and condescending, but i assure you, this is because you main a mesmer. nobody cares for you, or your tone. my suggestion is: if you wanna impart some wisdom, try a more humble approach. post some tutorial vids, post constructive threads, and in general stop being a d1ck. like most others, ive never heard of you or half the people you talk about because this game has no pvp scene. by listening to those who want the status quo, GW2 will never have a pvp scene. therefore, your high and mighty opinion is of very little value to this community.

Krilce.7864:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

you ppl are so wrong about everything its sad.

i was told you cant have a warrior and then i made the best team NA with a warrior.

i was told you cant have a ranger even if u read a reply up a little u get cleuless ppl saying ranger isnt viable but my new team has a ranger and hes a monster.

you say engi cant be in new meta? while vyn was on a vacation we brought a engi onto our team for a week and we lost 5 paid games in 1 1/2 weeks.

again like i said all you kids do is QQ and im sick of it. L2P if you want to do something do it dont sit there crying that you cant when what you really mean is you dont know how.

you kids are trying to ruin the game for everyone for the simple fact you do not know what you are doing.

mufia said rangers are tired of not being on a team? vyndetta is number 4 QP NA and hes a ranger so everything you say is no longer valid cause u obviously have no idea what your talking about.

My god, you still don’t get it, do you? For god’s sake, people are complaining not because you can’t have warrior, ranger or engi in a team, but because mesmers, and guardians for that matter, are mandatory in any team comp, which means there are only 3 slots left for other professions. Do you get why people are complaining, aside from common whiners who complain whenever something downs them quickly, and god forsake if it also finishes them.

my true god you dont get it do you. you can just as easily have a ele or thief or guard or warrior or ranger or necro or engi fullfill the mesmer back point role.

you ask how do i know well kids here is a lesson. im a mesmer and i dont portal play back point alot of times i dont even equip portal cause we have other ppl do back point.

PZ after xee didnt have a mesmer and they still dominated. last night ZZYZX didnt have a mesmer and they destroyed teams.

you say i dont get it but i do i get that you need to L2P (and again i dont mean that in a mean way i mean that in you need to figure what your role is and your teams role and try and figure out the other teams role so you can agjust to it and if you L2P you can do it easily.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

my true god you dont get it do you. you can just as easily have a ele or thief or guard or warrior or ranger or necro or engi fullfill the mesmer back point role.

you ask how do i know well kids here is a lesson. im a mesmer and i dont portal play back point alot of times i dont even equip portal cause we have other ppl do back point.

PZ after xee didnt have a mesmer and they still dominated. last night ZZYZX didnt have a mesmer and they destroyed teams.

you say i dont get it but i do i get that you need to L2P (and again i dont mean that in a mean way i mean that in you need to figure what your role is and your teams role and try and figure out the other teams role so you can agjust to it and if you L2P you can do it easily.

It isn’t just as easy having one of those other back point holders. They actually get exposed to back cap risk while helping their team, unlike a mesmer who can help their team without worrying about returning to their home point until someone attacks it or their portal fades.

Also, good teams can win against lesser teams with comps that aren’t very good. That doesn’t mean that their comp is ideal or viable against opponents of equal level. As far as you not being back point mesmer, well lets say I watched the video where you guys raged at Q when you guys were asking him to be back point necro. You don’t like playing backpoint and as a team leader you dictated that it was not your role. In the drama between you and your former teammates they stated the reason you didn’t do backpoint holding was because you lost 1v1s though…..

Seether.7285:

This is not about making mesmers weakers in actual combat. It is about making the game better to play. If they were to change these two abilities I would actually like them to do something to help mesmers out because these two abilities are obviously a big part of the reason that teams take mesmers. Portal and Time Warp are pretty much the strongest two abilities in the game and no other class has anything that can match these two abilities making mesmers a part of nearly every competitive team.

This isn’t a cry about mesmers being too strong and blowing people up. This is about how their flawed design has made a mesmer essentially mandatory.

ok so to fix the problem they need to fix moa back. poof now every mesmer wont use timewarp. problem fixed. they already nerfed portal to 90 seconds. send someone to there back point to counter it poof problem solved.

mesmers use timewarp u say op i say bring a warrior with rez flag so if they timewarp you then you rez all teammates poof problem solved. if they timewarp you bring a necro and plauge them poof problem solved. if they bring a time warp hop in sanctuary poof problem solved. if they bring a time warp GTFO of it poff….

you see all that is a L2P issue not a op or needs to bee nerfed issue.

again like i said if anyone is having problems and needs to L2P i am here to help whisper me for any tips and tricks but please stop the QQ nerf this nerf that you kids are trying to ruin a balanced game. once you L2P correctly you will see its balanced,

only thing that should change is we should start buffing stuff to make more variety

jportell.2197:

Mufa.1326:

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

The name of the game is GUILD WARS… GROUP Utility is freaking part of it! They will not make it a 1v1 based system because it has no place in the entire game. If every class was balanced based off 1v1 then the classes would lose their uniqueness… BTW whoever think engineers still suck seriously an engineer with a net turret/flame thrower and bomb kit can hold a point easy… not to mention supply drop which is OMGERED your whole team is dead cuz I just mega stunned you beezys… If every class was on the same level 1v1 it would defeat the design of the game… Anyone ever wonder why they have 8v8 in sPvP… mmmm how many professions does this game have… Omg DING DING DING DING…

winner winner chicken dinner this guys is to smart. and he gave me a annalogy.

we have the army the navy and the airforce. why you ask because you need them all but at sometimes you dont need them all sometimes you only need 1 or 2 but that doesnt mean when you need only 2 the other is less important if done right all 3 are op but if done wrong like some countries they look like they need to L2P.

Pyrial.2917:

jportell.2197:

Mufa.1326:

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

The name of the game is GUILD WARS… GROUP Utility is freaking part of it! They will not make it a 1v1 based system because it has no place in the entire game. If every class was balanced based off 1v1 then the classes would lose their uniqueness… BTW whoever think engineers still suck seriously an engineer with a net turret/flame thrower and bomb kit can hold a point easy… not to mention supply drop which is OMGERED your whole team is dead cuz I just mega stunned you beezys… If every class was on the same level 1v1 it would defeat the design of the game… Anyone ever wonder why they have 8v8 in sPvP… mmmm how many professions does this game have… Omg DING DING DING DING…

So, because it is not a 1 v 1 game it’s ok for certain professions to be great in a 1 v 1 setting and great in group settings? Makes sense…

see you are very confused i see you need to L2P (not in a bad way just you need to whisper me for advice)

if your saying a mesmer is good in a group then 1v1 you are so wrong its so sad.

heres is a story about your super mesmer that apparently only you have (i really want to play u in paids to see him) he goes home point and caps it places a portal then runs to mid. he blows time warp ASAP so my team backs out and our guard uses santuary and stability for the team.

during this SAtaarcoeny tells skovex im going to hit the mesmer go to there point now. SAtaarcoeny hits the mesmer 4 times makes him use distortion and a heal.

back to the super mesmer only u have. the mesmer sees his home is being capped so he portals back. now with no elite no heal no distortion a wasted utility because it was used for portal he has to try and beat a fresh face……. you tell me when he wins that fight 1v1.

again please know what you are talking about before you post silly nerf stuff cause you just look silly and it all goes back to a L2P.

i enjoy telling you guys how to play and think if we keep this post up then a lot of readers taking my train of thought and emplemiting it into there playstyle will become a lot better

Sprawl.3891:

lol, not fotm guy yet plays shatter spec with portal snd timewarp. lolz

guess u dont play paids. im not shatter spec i am more phantasm. i dont always use timewarp try asking all the ppl last night and the past week that i moa over and over again and im not always back point with portal.

ty for making yourself look silly. to bad now i know you only talk nonsense its going to be hard to read anything you write in this post with a straight face.

People QQing about people QQing is funny.

Seether.7285:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

my true god you dont get it do you. you can just as easily have a ele or thief or guard or warrior or ranger or necro or engi fullfill the mesmer back point role.

you ask how do i know well kids here is a lesson. im a mesmer and i dont portal play back point alot of times i dont even equip portal cause we have other ppl do back point.

PZ after xee didnt have a mesmer and they still dominated. last night ZZYZX didnt have a mesmer and they destroyed teams.

you say i dont get it but i do i get that you need to L2P (and again i dont mean that in a mean way i mean that in you need to figure what your role is and your teams role and try and figure out the other teams role so you can agjust to it and if you L2P you can do it easily.

It isn’t just as easy having one of those other back point holders. They actually get exposed to back cap risk while helping their team, unlike a mesmer who can help their team without worrying about returning to their home point until someone attacks it or their portal fades.

Also, good teams can win against lesser teams with comps that aren’t very good. That doesn’t mean that their comp is ideal or viable against opponents of equal level. As far as you not being back point mesmer, well lets say I watched the video where you guys raged at Q when you guys were asking him to be back point necro. You don’t like playing backpoint and as a team leader you dictated that it was not your role. In the drama between you and your former teammates they stated the reason you didn’t do backpoint holding was because you lost 1v1s though…..

if you ever watched oppa play he was an amazing back point . if you ever seen my old engi lew dawg play he was an amazing back point, i have many examples of every class doing it very well. 1 game even hman was back point he can get back so fast and destoy whoever went there.

all i am hearing is ppl are to lazy and dont want to L2P back point because they think they are to good for that role. im hear to tell you that anyone who thinks they are above doing what the team needs at that time is just hurting the team (you mention Q and thats a main reason were not with our old team)

but to the video were we raged at Q i think you mean hman raged at Q which is the main reason i am no longer with my old team. we had different outlooks on the way the game should be played.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Sprawl.3891:

lol, not fotm guy yet plays shatter spec with portal snd timewarp. lolz

guess u dont play paids. im not shatter spec i am more phantasm. i dont always use timewarp try asking all the ppl last night and the past week that i moa over and over again and im not always back point with portal.

ty for making yourself look silly. to bad now i know you only talk nonsense its going to be hard to read anything you write in this post with a straight face.

lol youre a joke bro you contradict yourself in every post. there is another thread going for your crying about moa saying you never use it so which 1 is it. You’re also bad your mid tier player until all the top teamss quit now you start talking

Anyone want some????

Arheundel.6451:

While I agree with you, I can say that you’re wasting time…“it’s easier to QQ rather than get better and it’s always other’s fault when I lose”, this is the truth of MMOs.
Like you, I have been maining an ele from the beginning, my only and main profession..been playing this profession even during the times it was considered a free kill, got good at it , tried all professions to learn animations and weaknesses, traits and common builds and this the difference between me and the QQers, I did put the effort to learn my profession and how to counter others

ty man this is what the game needs. ppl like you. ppl that try and get better and dont give up. if someone says your aweful or your class sucks in my ears all i hear is imma prove them wrong and poop in there mouth while they are talking nonsense

remember how mesmers used to be when xee used to stream until they realized every game i played against xee i destroyed him then ppl started asking for my build and now its the so called shatter build. (xees op cant be beat build after ppl L2P it became less op) instead of being mad or getting destroyed by it i changed up into my new secret build and i beat xee 11 out of the last 12 times we fought 1v1 and the time he beat me he was smart i was fighting hman and hman told him so xee went back to my point waited for me to portal in with no CD and he beat me. so again everything is a L2P thing

so just try stuff out ppl instead of QQ ing. everyone can beat everyone if everyone plays correctly

so i dont have to make another reply a guy asked if i still need to L2P because i lose 1v1 to hman 70% and my answer is yes i do still need to learn new stuff but hman will always beat me 70% of the time because of his build and role in the games but that doesnt mean im going to QQ and say nerf hman because i know he has cons also and 1 of them is he cant take my portal when i run from him.

assuming anet has a bunch of competent programmer to balance the game, why are u so mad about qq on the forum? you are 4months late and waking up now with this kind of thread is silly.
you know, for anyone is more simple qq on forum than l2p and ask advice from players.
you wasted your time..but maybe u were waiting for paid to pop

I can’t agree with sataar. This whole thread is just full of him boasting rather than trying to progress towards a resolution. I think the only piece of advice given was keep your distance from a warrior and watch the enemy mesmer’s timewarp cd and positioning. There is also no consideration for what new players experience. Top players just saying L2P to new players is like asking the game to be guillotined from the bottom up.

Sataar’s strategy is to respond with walls of text using very weak arguments until the opposition gets tired of responding to all of the random arguments he brings up in the wall which all work to drive the thread way from the main point.

I’m sorry sataar but I’ve played against top teams when everyone was still in this game and you are far behind mesmers like Milty, Esplicz, Erichhimself (i think all 3 have quit though so you are better than most other mesmers but that doesn’t mean you earned the spot).