The celestial meta just before that was horrible, though. There was a brief time where turret engis provided some reasonable counterplay to the overbearing celestial builds but that issue got fixed quickly, lest someone has to actually bring dedicated condi or dps builds…
The only crime, turrets committed, is being good against the celestial meta.
The mob has spoken and the turrets shall be burnt at the stake.
The celestial meta just before that was horrible, though. There was a brief time where turret engis provided some reasonable counterplay to the overbearing celestial builds but that issue got fixed quickly, lest someone has to actually bring dedicated condi or dps builds…
The last meta? You mean the one with the daily threads asking for a burn nerf?
People said the last meta was bad too. And the one before that.
I sense a trend.
And I agree with this is worse meta. There is zero back n ‘forth in the fights. Its immunity, immunity, then CC’d n’ down in 2 seconds. Or just carpet bomb the point and let the condi’s do the rest.
I do think daze is a bit over done in this meta. It feels like the GW1 factions interrupt meta. It was so annoying they created a profession just to deal with that crap. (Paragons)
100% agree with the OP. This meta isn’t fun to play specs or fight them. Fights are basically just decided by whose invulns/evades can last longer before they can pump out a bunch of random proc damage to kill someone.
rotations and focusing people down took a lot more skill in the hambow ele engi meta than it does now..
I call BS on this. The only difference now is that almost every class has access to CC and sustain like hambow, dd ele, and engi. Thieves got the short end of the stick, being given access to Rangers spiffy evasion. A gift from Rangers that is underpowered. CC > evasion.
Edit: To be clear, yes, I don’t think the current builds are any easier to master than what hambow, and especially dd ele were doing. Engie has always been hard to master, so I won’t go there.
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back then you could at least count cooldowns on stability for the most classes, now people have that many invuls and access to stability that it’s kind of obsolete.
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what anoys me the most that I don’t have HoT upgrade yet and get owned by these op builds…
thats it, time to chill and back to pve
Celestial staff ele is fairly decent in the current meta.
To be more specific, it’s the ONLY non-HoT build that works well in the current meta while not being a strictly worse version of a build that has access to elite specializations.
And to be even more specific, the only reason, the build works is because rune of durability is op as hell.
The only crime, turrets committed, is being good against the celestial meta.
The mob has spoken and the turrets shall be burnt at the stake.
Everytime you think the meta can’t get worse, you’re in for a surprise.
that says it all.
Yeah. I liked the elite specs and rev before release then it comes out and HOLY FLUFFY KITTEN they upped dragonhunter damage when it should’ve been lowered a little after BWE3 and upped the survive + gave a cc. Bunker chronos always have point contribution and perma quickness. The new pets do like 2x the dmg of other pets. The removal of the self corruption on Mallyx means its a resistance bot that isnt hurt by boon removal. Tempests never die unless they run maurader. Scrappers I have less of an issue with although stealth gyro could have a longer cooldown. Daredevil has no logic to the numbers, cause vault does more damage then backstab and is aoe + evades, not to mention the other evading skill evades less with barely any cost, not that they’ll be used that often because dragonhunter + trapper rune = stealth assassin that can out dps a thief at an aoe level.
I can’t wait for the balance update, but have no fear that’ll only happen in January 2016.
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I don’t agree with OP on specific things but the meta as a whole sucks.
Majority of classes are all running the same thing (celestial) there is no give and go in builds everything is too sustained and has too high hybrid damage at the same time. If you try to run either end of the spectrum (pure damage or bunker, or build to counter a specific type of damage) you get steamrolled.
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the celestial meta will never end. i don’t understand why people can’t see that.
it is a game mode that revolves around defending points, so why would you decide not to run a build that can defend a point.
not only that but with the removal of minstrel and the indirect nerf to magi/cleric, the celestial amulet has also become the best amulet for support because running anything else than that on low hp classes is impossible.
if anything it’s anet’s fault, not the players’.
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Its hardly the worst meta. The “meta” is always about finding about what builds rise to the top an exploiting the hell out of them. Doesn’t matter if those builds are 1% better are 200% better.
Notice that the list in the OP list builds that fulfill various roles, as it should be in the game. I think the main issue is that classes seemed to be stuck to particular roles now. Guards are only running burst DH. Eles are only running support tempest, so on and so forth. Part of the blame goes to metabattle (not that they are doing anything wrong), people are lazy and will play whatever is listed as ‘meta’ without thinking outside of the box.
Remember turret engis? That was the worst meta.
Remember hambow before its series of nerfs? That was the worst meta.
Of course the game needs a balance pass but its not the worst stat that pvp has been in.
fix it and i well come back to the game