Guild Wars 2

the endless amount of summons the current iteration of necros spawns without even speccing as a MM needs to be the first to be on the hit list on their eventual nerf imo.

anet toned down traps/aura visual clutter? 40 shambling horrors packed onto a mid fight is WAAY worse in terms of clutter, not to mention its rewarding mindless spammy game play.

People use the word “spam” way too loosely. 1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets. The skill is no more mindless than any other skill in the game, and they are easy to destroy in a teamfight. I get you all are on a witch hunt against Reapers, but these nerf requests are getting ridiculous.

All of the minions do create issues when you are downed and cannot target a reaper with 1% health because 5 minions are standing between you. Granted you would still lose due to the lifesteal of the downed necro, but body blocking in downed state gives an unfair advantage. No more than stealth does, but at least stealth has a short duration.

Shaogin.2679:

People use the word “spam” way too loosely. 1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets. The skill is no more mindless than any other skill in the game, and they are easy to destroy in a teamfight. I get you all are on a witch hunt against Reapers, but these nerf requests are getting ridiculous.

2 necros that’s 12. With 1 shout. Plus Death Nova, Plus Bone minion. = ?

if they hit 5 targets? LOL. Mesmer clones? Pets? other AIs? Other Minions? Gyros? It is very easyyyy to cap…

Shaogin.2679:

1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets.

In theory, they could get up to 12, with good alacrity and perfect hits.

cptaylor.2670:

All of the minions do create issues when you are downed and cannot target a reaper with 1% health because 5 minions are standing between you. Granted you would still lose due to the lifesteal of the downed necro, but body blocking in downed state gives an unfair advantage. No more than stealth does, but at least stealth has a short duration.

Body blocking is something you will have to work around.

Sarrs.4831:

Shaogin.2679:

1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets.

In theory, they could get up to 12, with good alacrity and perfect hits.

cptaylor.2670:

All of the minions do create issues when you are downed and cannot target a reaper with 1% health because 5 minions are standing between you. Granted you would still lose due to the lifesteal of the downed necro, but body blocking in downed state gives an unfair advantage. No more than stealth does, but at least stealth has a short duration.

Body blocking is something you will have to work around.

If you’re dead and can’t reposition yourself to target the player?

StickerHappy.8052:

Shaogin.2679:

People use the word “spam” way too loosely. 1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets. The skill is no more mindless than any other skill in the game, and they are easy to destroy in a teamfight. I get you all are on a witch hunt against Reapers, but these nerf requests are getting ridiculous.

2 necros that’s 12. With 1 shout. Plus Death Nova, Plus Bone minion. = ?

if they hit 5 targets? LOL. Mesmer clones? Pets? other AIs? Other Minions? Gyros? It is very easyyyy to cap…

Whoah whoah whoah, we were talking non-mm reapers here using a shout. Can’t just throw in Death Magic. And anyways, multiple mesmers have been causing clutter since the dawn of the game. But I get it, DOWN WITH REAPERS right? I’ll go grab my pitchfork and tin foil hat. ^.^

Shaogin.2679:

StickerHappy.8052:

Shaogin.2679:

People use the word “spam” way too loosely. 1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets. The skill is no more mindless than any other skill in the game, and they are easy to destroy in a teamfight. I get you all are on a witch hunt against Reapers, but these nerf requests are getting ridiculous.

2 necros that’s 12. With 1 shout. Plus Death Nova, Plus Bone minion. = ?

if they hit 5 targets? LOL. Mesmer clones? Pets? other AIs? Other Minions? Gyros? It is very easyyyy to cap…

Whoah whoah whoah, we were talking non-mm reapers here using a shout. Can’t just throw in Death Magic. And anyways, multiple mesmers have been causing clutter since the dawn of the game. But I get it, DOWN WITH REAPERS right? I’ll go grab my pitchfork and tin foil hat. ^.^

Clones disappear when shattered tho. Can be easily killed, way easier than minions.

cptaylor.2670:

If you’re dead and can’t reposition yourself to target the player?

stop being dead

Sarrs.4831:

cptaylor.2670:

If you’re dead and can’t reposition yourself to target the player?

stop being dead

you know, when im being dead, i stop being dead and be awesome instead

true story™

Complaining about necros conditions spamming, damage in reaper shroud and survivability is okay imo but please don’t ask for a nerf on stuff that does not need a nerf at all.

Also about the shambling horror shout, I think (I am not sure) that you can only hit up to 5 targets so it does not matter if you use the skill already surrounded by other MMs, you still only hit five targets and summons 6 horrors.

Complaining about minions lmao, arguably the least impactful thing about necros. And you mentioned deathnova LOL ITS WORTHLESS ANY MM SPEC IS WORTHLESS ITS SO EASY TO KILL.

Your tears are delicious.

It is a big problem in stronghold. Of course stronghold is not balanced…

StickerHappy.8052:

Shaogin.2679:

StickerHappy.8052:

Shaogin.2679:

People use the word “spam” way too loosely. 1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets. The skill is no more mindless than any other skill in the game, and they are easy to destroy in a teamfight. I get you all are on a witch hunt against Reapers, but these nerf requests are getting ridiculous.

2 necros that’s 12. With 1 shout. Plus Death Nova, Plus Bone minion. = ?

if they hit 5 targets? LOL. Mesmer clones? Pets? other AIs? Other Minions? Gyros? It is very easyyyy to cap…

Whoah whoah whoah, we were talking non-mm reapers here using a shout. Can’t just throw in Death Magic. And anyways, multiple mesmers have been causing clutter since the dawn of the game. But I get it, DOWN WITH REAPERS right? I’ll go grab my pitchfork and tin foil hat. ^.^

Clones disappear when shattered tho. Can be easily killed, way easier than minions.

Minions cleave down quite easily too.
Shambling only live for 25s if they aren’t aoed down before then.
Full MM’s sacrifice other utilities for the minion build.

Edit: Granted, if you have multiple MMs on the opponent team, it can be extremely annoying. However, it’s not any more annoying than having multiple mesmers against you, especially running chronophantasma and illusionary reversion. Ugh.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

StickerHappy.8052:

Shaogin.2679:

StickerHappy.8052:

Shaogin.2679:

People use the word “spam” way too loosely. 1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets. The skill is no more mindless than any other skill in the game, and they are easy to destroy in a teamfight. I get you all are on a witch hunt against Reapers, but these nerf requests are getting ridiculous.

2 necros that’s 12. With 1 shout. Plus Death Nova, Plus Bone minion. = ?

if they hit 5 targets? LOL. Mesmer clones? Pets? other AIs? Other Minions? Gyros? It is very easyyyy to cap…

Whoah whoah whoah, we were talking non-mm reapers here using a shout. Can’t just throw in Death Magic. And anyways, multiple mesmers have been causing clutter since the dawn of the game. But I get it, DOWN WITH REAPERS right? I’ll go grab my pitchfork and tin foil hat. ^.^

Clones disappear when shattered tho. Can be easily killed, way easier than minions.

Minions cleave down quite easily too.
Shambling only live for 25s if they aren’t aoed down before then.
Full MM’s sacrifice other utilities for the minion build.

Edit: Granted, if you have multiple MMs on the opponent team, it can be extremely annoying. However, it’s not any more annoying than having multiple mesmers against you, especially running chronophantasma and illusionary reversion. Ugh.

Thank you

cptaylor.2670:

If you’re dead and can’t reposition yourself to target the player?

There are too many minions that walk over my corpse when dead… Such problems!

Seriously though, I think MM reaper is way too easy to play. It is as bad as old turret engie, and needs a tone down. A few reaper builds need changes that don’t nerf them so much as make the builds harder to play. Reaper = faceroll.

Loboling.5293:

cptaylor.2670:

If you’re dead and can’t reposition yourself to target the player?

There are too many minions that walk over my corpse when dead… Such problems!

Seriously though, I think MM reaper is way too easy to play. It is as bad as old turret engie, and needs a tone down. A few reaper builds need changes that don’t nerf them so much as make the builds harder to play. Reaper = faceroll.

its really easy to play at lower levels, its not as easy to play at higher levels but is still possible (you actually need to time using the minions skills instead of just letting the ai do the work)

It wasn’t until top tier sapphire and low tier ruby that I began to see this.

2x MM
1x Druid with search and rescue for clutch moments
1x auramancer/healing support.

They overwhelm mid.
Never push far.
Keep one on home and back that person up when they need it.

It is its own tactic..overwhelm the screen with tons-o-minions. The druid/ele keep everything steadily healed. If any player goes down the druid withdraws to the side of node and search and rescues.

Shrewd. Effective at that level of play. Not sure if it would work at divisons/tiers higher that top sapphire/low ruby.

In a single word..annoying.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

It is its own tactic..overwhelm the screen with tons-o-minions. The druid/ele keep everything steadily healed. If any player goes down the druid withdraws to the side of node and search and rescues.
.

if you are aware of this, as soon as the ranger uses search and rescue you target the ranger and focus/aoe them and the downed body and you will likely down the ranger whilst they try to res

or else knockback the ranger right away and stop the res

but yes this tactic can be very useful as the minons will soak up some of the aoe on point as the aoe cap is still 5 targets

zxstanyxz.8769:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

It is its own tactic..overwhelm the screen with tons-o-minions. The druid/ele keep everything steadily healed. If any player goes down the druid withdraws to the side of node and search and rescues.
.

if you are aware of this, as soon as the ranger uses search and rescue you target the ranger and focus/aoe them and the downed body and you will likely down the ranger whilst they try to res

or else knockback the ranger right away and stop the res

but yes this tactic can be very useful as the minons will soak up some of the aoe on point as the aoe cap is still 5 targets

That’s why I recommend a new tier of hostile: first tier would be red names second tier purple so if you have five reds and 20 purples around all five reds will take damage while a random purple like a minion, clone, or illusion would only take damage if there’s less than 5 reds around.

Agemnon.4608:

zxstanyxz.8769:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

It is its own tactic..overwhelm the screen with tons-o-minions. The druid/ele keep everything steadily healed. If any player goes down the druid withdraws to the side of node and search and rescues.
.

if you are aware of this, as soon as the ranger uses search and rescue you target the ranger and focus/aoe them and the downed body and you will likely down the ranger whilst they try to res

or else knockback the ranger right away and stop the res

but yes this tactic can be very useful as the minons will soak up some of the aoe on point as the aoe cap is still 5 targets

That’s why I recommend a new tier of hostile: first tier would be red names second tier purple so if you have five reds and 20 purples around all five reds will take damage while a random purple like a minion, clone, or illusion would only take damage if there’s less than 5 reds around.

that would effect MM necros a lot less than any other build with minions as much of the necro damage is transferred out to the minions anyway (with most MM builds that is)

it would likely stop half the condi/power reapers from taking rise though as it would lessen the effects of having upto 6 shambling horrors

It would actually help if attacks prioritized players and not minions since those end up soaking up all aoe and body blocking single target attacks which imo is biggest issue.

I see so many necros using skills. Pls ban necros who use skills, they should only be allowed to autohit. Oh and remove boon conversion on scepter autoattack. KTHXBY

Yes the minions are definitely the problem with reaper right now – not the perma chill, corrupt everything, transfer everything but the minions.

antichecker.1675:

I see so many necros using skills. Pls ban necros who use skills, they should only be allowed to autohit. Oh and remove boon conversion on scepter autoattack. KTHXBY

No one is calling for a ban because if it’s in the game it’s in the game and therefore fair play. However, what we are suggesting is changing what’s in the game. Necro can still get the same DPS just in a different way requiring a higher skill ceiling. All classes should have their skill floors and ceilings raised and mechanics adjusted so losing a duel feels fair instead of some helpless incident where we come to the conclusion that no matter what we’d do we’d still lose taking those abilities and stat sets (if you don’t you’d lower your usefulness just to duel condi people better and even then the onus of skill is on the defender who needs to time his cleanses).

make shambling horrors unable to bodyblock attacks/projectiles and we’ll be fine.

Shaogin.2679:

People use the word “spam” way too loosely. 1 Reaper can spawn at most 6 of those Shambling Horrors, and only if they hit 5 targets. The skill is no more mindless than any other skill in the game, and they are easy to destroy in a teamfight. I get you all are on a witch hunt against Reapers, but these nerf requests are getting ridiculous.

except the 50% damage reduction, the further increased toughness from Flesh of the Master, Necromantic Corruption’s condition transfer, and the minions as projectile shields (which makes no sense given they’re about a foot high) are all braindead because you aren’t using them, they’re using themselves.

these traits were simply not balanced with a skill like “Rise!” in mind.

The game can’t deal with too much AI really, no matter how good you are, you’re going to suffer when your screen is clogged with everything but human players. People bash stronghold because they don’t like NPC’s, but defend minions and clones. Nice joke, flawed mechanic is flawed. Sometimes PvP looks like a petting zoo with flayed lifestock.

zxstanyxz.8769:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

It is its own tactic..overwhelm the screen with tons-o-minions. The druid/ele keep everything steadily healed. If any player goes down the druid withdraws to the side of node and search and rescues.
.

if you are aware of this, as soon as the ranger uses search and rescue you target the ranger and focus/aoe them and the downed body and you will likely down the ranger whilst they try to res

or else knockback the ranger right away and stop the res

but yes this tactic can be very useful as the minons will soak up some of the aoe on point as the aoe cap is still 5 targets

“focus” You’re assuming every player in Sapphire/low Ruby is actually fast and efficient at moving to a called target. You have also forgotten rebound on the ele if they’re smart. If all that fails them, no doubt there will be a ton-o-unblockable marks to negotiate first before the stomp.

Like I said, its shrewd and some what effective at mid level players..however I am not 100% confident it would still work at higher levels.